Profile backlinks - are they worth it?

[killer1211]

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

Speaking from personal experience - no, I dont think so.

I've tried this numerous times with the same results. Lousy.

The majority of them arent indexed, and if they are, they're a PR0 anyway, so the impact is probably minimal.

Its interesting to note the amount of people offering 50,000 backlink profiles for $1.99. Now I know why.

Personally, I think you'd be better off finding alternative backlinking methods. Ive never had any luck with them. Ive always had better luck blog commenting.

Same results for me.
I even pinged them.
Still i din't got any positive results in search results.

[tadsam12]

i thought Google like profile links | |

[simonbuzz]

They are worth it but no for long term...

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ggmi

What do you guys think? Is my diversification theory right? Or should I simply stop using profile backlinking and look for other low PR backlink alternatives?

I think you are wrong on both counts.

A) there is no such thing as a high Quality backlink coming from a profile link
b) in the real world there is no given ration of real high PR numbered backlink (which profile links are not anyway) to any other number and I doubt Matt Cutts ever made such a statement even close to that because everyone I have heard it from never provides a link to where he said it .

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ammi123

Yes they are very beneficial use forums for profile backlinks because forums have good PR and they are not spammy so just make login and past your link in homepage.

You know it is actually possible to increase your post count by making useful posts. Give it a try.

[Bragah]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ronny as a newbie I guarantee you wouldn't win the prize because my idea of competitive and yours would be two entirely different things. the whole profile backlink market takes great pains to redefine what really competitive means to the rest of the SEO world

When we talk about really competitive we are talking primary keywords not long tail and it has to have real competition not a search result that had nothing but a bunch of profile backlinkers, MFAs and affiliate marketers fighting among themselves for scraps. Also no porn, gambling or other scuzzy terms that google could care less about ranking. Yes those can be competitive but in the same low life way that a street gang can be competitive .

I am toying with the idea since every time i have asked someone to show me such a ranking they have failed (one of them is in this thread). I guess I haven't done so yet because I think it will be a colossal waste of my time with people swearing that Sony walkman for boys is an ultra competitive term.

Show me where you ranked 1st for a competitive keyword only by contextual backlinks from private C class blog network like the one you try to announce in signature ... This will be interesting to see ...
Because let me tell you what... You can`t just rank competitive keywords with only 1 linkbuilding method plus its not just about backlinks like it was in the beginning of SEO .. there are a hell lot of on-page optimization factors too.

I`m not saying that profile backlinks IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE Linkbuilding method in SEO and that`s not what we discuss in here, but this method done right is much more effective then a lot of highly priced services such as SenukeX blasts ( after the panda update ) or AMR blasts or SiteWide link from Blog Networks or Directory Submission... etc etc.

[RW]

Profiles seem to have been highly devalued and are considered spammy links, I wouldn't waste my time sending them to a money site.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bragah

Show me where you ranked 1st for a competitive keyword only by contextual backlinks from private C class blog network like the one you try to announce in signature ... This will be interesting to see ...

It would be my young apprentice if in fact I ever did announce such a thing. My sig has nothing to do with a blog network or I wouldn't say it would change everything (blog networks are new to you? we must train more my young Padawan)

Want to see a serp that doesn't rank on the strength of profile backlinks, blog comments etc. really? You need that? Ok off the top of my head

Life insurance - top page
Life Insurance

have fun with the backlink check.

plus its not just about backlinks like it was in the beginning of SEO .. there are a hell lot of on-page optimization factors too.

Cookies and fruits . two different things. this thread is about backlinks.

I`m not saying that profile backlinks IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE Linkbuilding method in SEO and that`s not what we discuss in here, but this method done right is much more effective then a lot of highly priced services such as SenukeX blasts ( after the panda update ) or AMR blasts or SiteWide link from Blog Networks or Directory Submission... etc etc.

what in the world are you talking about?? SenukeX IS mostly a profile backlink blaster (sure they added some article stuff but the profiles are still the bread and butter of that program) so you are contrasting two things which are essentially the same. Last time I checked the thread title said "worth" so you can complain all day long at me and others saying they are weak and not worth much because its PERFECTLY in line with what we are talking about.

and sorry I'll take that link on a blog network with actual on page PR and the directory submission (albeit niche not general - BIG difference) ANY DAY and get much better value for my money all things being equal than a bunch of link arranged in a "wheel" without any actual on page pagerank to speak of.

[JohnMcCabe]

For the few remaining fans of profile spamming, er, I mean backlinking, here's an idea...

Go to that PR8 .gov/.edu forum and check the actual PR of your profile page. Still a fan?

Another question...

How much relevance does a profile link from an abandoned college or government forum on some esoteric topic have to your weight loss splog?

Here's the math:

1,000,000 x 0 = 0

[Bragah]

I`m sorry to say but you guys have many things to learn yet... I don`t want to be rude but when we talk about artificial linkbuilding methods you need to consult a totally different forum; maybe that`s why you don`t understand how this linkbuilding works exactly.

Anyway let me give you some contra arguments :
@mike : First of all, that`s not your website and it has over 500.000 backlinks according to yahoo site explorer so you have no CLUE how it ranked. It ranks mostly by natural backlinks, natural reviews.
@John : Linkjuice doesn`t pass that way. You`re way behind SEO game, friend... PR and edu/gov are not the factors you should aim for when you do linkbuilding.
I`ll try not to follow this topic anymore since I`m very offended by your lack of knowledge when it comes to SEO. All I ever wanted was to give you some tips when you do profile linkbuilding.


I wish you good luck and happy earnings !

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Bragah

I`m sorry to say but you guys have many things to learn yet... I don`t want to be rude but when we talk about artificial linkbuilding methods you need to consult a totally different forum; maybe that`s why you don`t understand how this linkbuilding works exactly.

LOL. Uh huh. because that site you are referencing can't think of single way to build backliks that isn't artificial to save their lives.

Anyway let me give you some contra arguments :
@mike : First of all, that`s not your website and it has over 500.000 backlinks according to yahoo site explorer so you have no CLUE how it ranked. It ranks mostly by natural backlinks, natural reviews.

Whats that old expression again? Oh yes - Duh!

No one said it was my site. You asked to be shown a site that didn't rank on profile links (after erroneously pretending to know what my sig referred to) and I gave you one of the top of my head and sorry but if you can't do research and determine how a site ranks by looking at it and the backlinks pointing at it then you need to shut down ANY SEO services that you claim to be offering and get a book and do some google searches. Claiming that because a site is not yours you cannot tell how it was ranked is total nonsense.

I`m very offended by your lack of knowledge when it comes to SEO. All I ever wanted was to give you some tips when you do profile linkbuilding.

John is just fine. We all know all you wanted to do was defend what you sell which is understandable but it doesn't give you any right when you can't back up your points to lash out at those who can.

[John Romaine]

Originally Posted by strategic seo services

Profile backlinks work, and they work very well..especially when they're dofollow, from a high PR domain, and can be seen without having to login.

Theres no such thing as a high PR domain. Its called PAGE RANK for a reason. The PAGE has a ranking NOT the domain.

Why is this so hard for people to understand????????????????

[owenlee]

Personally i feel Profile backlinks are not as strong as compare to other backlinks method...

for eg..in an hour i can produce a good 10x blog comments as compare to 100 profile backlinks..the blog comments would fetch much more traffic as i provide valuable content to the readers too..

[MaverickUK]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Negative.

So you are telling me if I get a hundred blogs to link to me all with contextual links all PR 2 and above I can't rank without some other kind of links?

Sorry man thats false and obviously false.

Wouldn't that fall under the 'more natural' backlinks as i mentioned in my earlier post?

[nysportsworld]

Signature links work with profiles that you use on active forums all other stuff is crap

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

Wouldn't that fall under the 'more natural' backlinks as i mentioned in my earlier post?

You are assuming that a bunch of PR2 links HAS to be natural? lol. You are a newb - but regardless you and others are the ones that took natural backlinks off the table. I never did. Many of you make link building synonymous with running bots because you know nothing else not because that is how SEO is done by everyone.

However I have no issue with using some profile links. They can do some indexing work and add a bit of popularity but whine about it all you want they are not worth much and their worth is what the thread is about.

[John Romaine]

Dead horse .....whip.

[MaverickUK]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You are assuming that a bunch of PR2 links HAS to be natural? lol. You are a newb - but regardless you and others are the ones that took natural backlinks off the table. I never did. Many of you make link building synonymous with running bots because you know nothing else not because that is how SEO is done by everyone.

However I have no issue with using some profile links. They can do some indexing work and add a bit of popularity but whine about it all you want they are not worth much and their worth is what the thread is about.

I don't understand you what you're talking about. Read my posts again, it seems you've either lost the plot or are making stuff up as you go along, presumably, to make it look like you know what you're talking about.

At what point did i assume that a bunch of PR2 links has to appear natural? As mentioned above, you're making stuff up as you go along, why? I don't have a clue - but it's very odd. Refer to my post #39 and then read below.

You clearly said; "So you are telling me if I get a hundred blogs to link to me all with contextual links all PR 2 and above"

To which i responded; "Wouldn't that fall under the 'more natural' backlinks as i mentioned in my earlier post?"

Then you tell me i'm presuming a bunch of PR2 links appear natural? lol.

If i'm one of these people that "took natural backlinks off the table", then why oh why do i have an authority website in the mobile phone niche, such as at n8geeks.com? Look at those backlinks and try telling me they're not natural backlinks. Good luck with that one.

Please have a clue what you're talking about before making presumptions that are based on your own deluded conclusions.

[roddyfonline]

I started this thread and it turned into world war 3 lol, it proves that ppl have different opinions about backlinks and its worth.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

I don't understand you what you're talking about. Read my posts again, it seems you've either lost the plot or are making stuff up as you go along, presumably, to make it look like you know what you're talking about..

Mav people who are hopelessly lost often think that its others that are. Point is very simple. YOU point blank stated that a bunch of contextual links would fall under 'more natural backlinks' and I was merely pointing out to you that such links can be as unnatural as any other. Heres a clue

Read what you just quoted and tell me where the word "appear" is used

See who is making up things as they go along? As for taking off the table it was in regard to the debate. Since no one ever said they were exclusively talking about artificial backlinking among link building options saying "oh well but thats natural backlinking" makes no point at all.

but continue to be lost if you will.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by roddyfonline

I started this thread and it turned into world war 3 lol, it proves that ppl have different opinions about backlinks and its worth.

You needed to have proof that some people on a public board requiring only a username and an email address wouldn't know what they are talking about?

[jimkirk1943]

Doesn`t this just boil down to the fact it all depends on how competitive the keyword your going after is ?

I really dont want to anger the big gun`s here like Mike A because i really like Mikes threads on here he`s super smart but you dont need to go after the really really competitive keywords to make some good money in IM and if your not chasing the keywords with 1000`s and 1000`s of searches then profile backlinks work fine as far as i can tell.

I have sites ranking very well by just using profile backlinks so for me they work, would they work along for a highly competitive keyword guess not so the question as to if they still work is still open as far as i can see.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

I have sites ranking very well by just using profile backlinks so for me they work, would they work along for a highly competitive keyword guess not so the question as to if they still work is still open as far as i can see.

Well the question is not do they work its are they worth it? Fact is on a long tail without much competition there are much easier and cheaper ways to go about ranking that don't have the links disappear.

Lets take the average IMer. Ok so he pays say $15 month for a list then what? he then pays to have them placed. So those packages for each keyword (or a couple) can run him $15 -$69 conservatively and he ranks on that low volume weak serp. Okay but over time what happens? he loses the links because they get deleted by the forum owner or made nofollow.

So got to go buy another package and pay to have more links placed. Over time a bunch of people using this end up paying hundreds of dollars. Worth it? No because these are weak long tails that if you got a few links with real authority you would have ranked FOR A LONG TIME without paying anything more and just as easily.

As a matter of fact for a couple hundred dollars I could get them started on building their own network that they could rank ton loads of long tails but - oh no - it would cost them a little money upfront instead of milking them over and over and over again to the tunes of potentially thousands of dollars over the years.


So hey worth it long term? No plus frankly you are always looking over your shoulder with profile backlinks. They always being deleted, made no follow and you are always one bot run away from a competitor knocking you out with their next blast.

oh and apparently now you can get your site penalized for using them as well. as mentioned. Google beginning last month started sending out notices and IMers have begun seeing penalties here and there. The old claim that they can't possibly hurt is proving now wrong.

[Mike Anthony]

BTW

What does rank very well mean anyway? On this board the new sales tool is to talk about first page placement when you can be on the front page and get no more than 4% of the already low search volume for a term. Its been a long long long time since I saw a site in any serp ranking number one just on profile links alone. possible on a very weak term - certainly - but rare last time I checked.

[jimkirk1943]

Hi Mike,
Pretty killer reply there from you kinda like i knew you would and makes perfect sense not to mention the fact that the thread wasn`t ` do they work` but `are they worth it` which i totally missed.

You are so correct about having to keep topping the sites up with the profile backlinks too i know this as i am always having to build more and more to keep position but i do get this done cheap as i have a huge list of 1000`s of sites that i have built up over the past few years which when i build a new site i use so i really dont buy many backlink packets although i do subscribe to joe finn`s $5 for 200 backlinks per month packet. As for indexing and creation i have a good network of about 100 web 2.0 sites that get my backlinks indexed superfast and outsource the creation for $15 per 200 profiles.

Again your correct my niches and keywords are not competitive and for the past couple of weeks i don`t have a number 1 spot i have a #2 and #3 although both have been #1 so right now i`m backlinking like crazy to get them back, just to let you know they have searches at 9000 and 14000 exact per month but are what i would think to be called buyer keywords though and one of the sites is ranking for lots of keywords that each have from 3k to 6k searchers so this site get quite abit of trafffic and is a good earner.

But after reading your comment i can see that over time this is definitly milking me week in week out $15 here, $15 there, $5 here $5 there your right !

Now i think its time to move on and create a small blog network of my own to start and use for my backlinking it is costing me alot of $ and time to use profiles so Mike could you tell me how i would start to build such a network of my own you mention you can show me ??

Best regards Mike,
Jim

[Emarketing Excellence]

Just my 2 cents!

Most of the Angela and Paul backlinks are available and shared on free hosting websites. Many of the packets are passed on and downloaded by 100,000s of people and maybe more.

Mostly newbie SEO workers start their career with Profile backlinks (3rd world countries). Forum admins BAN IP addresses and submit to spam projects because of profile backlinks. They never get indexed in Google nowadays!!

How they would help website after so much considerations!!

Lawrence