The Myth About PR (For noobs)

[aboutalhah]

Do not run after a high PAGE RANK. PR is NOT money in the bank.

I've made a lot of money with PR 0 and even with pages that are not indexed with ANY of the search engines.

Unless you are selling advertising on your website, PR won't make you rich (it already made Google Richer though).

I get a lot of traffic from Google and all my pages are PR 3 or PR 0! and you know what? I really don't care.

So work on getting these 'pesetos' and forget about PAGE RANK, ok?

Franck

[Love2Blog]

Originally Posted by aboutalhah

Do not run after a high PAGE RANK. PR is NOT money in the bank.

I've made a lot of money with PR 0 and even with pages that are not indexed with ANY of the search engines.

Unless you are selling advertising on your website, PR won't make you rich (it already made Google Richer though).

I get a lot of traffic from Google and all my pages are PR 3 or PR 0! and you know what? I really don't care.

So work on getting these 'pesetos' and forget about PAGE RANK, ok?

Franck

Solid advice, plus often times you see lower PR outranking high PR sites in SERPS anyway. I too have several sites all PR3 and lower and they are making me money and getting lots of search traffic.

[freetraff]

Just to support the idea: I had PR5 site that was producing very small amount of traffic.

[Shadi]

actually i dont agree.

I agree that PR5 is not the only thing to care about, but look at 2 websites on the same niche offering the same kind of stuff with the same promoting one with pr5 and another with less pr, and you get yourself a very big difference.

Plus I am more into development than marketting, so that is my humble opinion (A)

[freetraff]

Originally Posted by Shadi

actually i dont agree.

I agree that PR5 is not the only thing to care about, but look at 2 websites on the same niche offering the same kind of stuff with the same promoting one with pr5 and another with less pr, and you get yourself a very big difference.

Plus I am more into development than marketting, so that is my humble opinion (A)

Shadi, the list of "the same" factors that you have mentioned is really small. There are lots of other things that you have not mentioned - I understand that was not your point to mention everything, but this statement can create an illusion in the eyes of SEO-inexperienced audience that PR is really that important.

Let me give you an example:

Site A - has PR 5, but the backlinks which this site has are for a competitive keyword "make money online"

Site B - has PR 1, but all its backlinks have more realistic keyword in anchor text "make money online with PLR content"

This is what will happen in real life: Site A will be very-very deep for the keyword "make money online" in Google and will see no traffic. Site B will be Google page 1 for "make money online with PLR content" and will get traffic, and will bring money to Site B owner.

So, we have a paradox - Site A definitely has more "quality" backlinks, because it has PR5. But Site B is making money, and Site A - no.

There is no problem about getting backlinks from pages with high PR, there is no problem about having great PR on your site, BUT some of the people can get amazed by the glittering PR stories and will try to focus their efforts on getting backlinks from pages with high PR. This is not bad, but takes much time or money (if you would be naive enough to pay to the link broker crooks who exploit this PR thing to the maximum).

Whereas at the same time it is much easier and faster to get lots of quality backlinks from PR0 pages. Yes, with time their PR is very likely to grow, but at the moment they are PR0. "Oh, that's a lousy PR0" the naive site owner who reeds too much about this PageRank stuff will think - and will pass by the real SEO gold, because if these PR0 pages are relevant, and backlinks come from inside real text - wow, you can do miracles with that pages.

This is why I am so zealotish about making people to distract their attention from the PR mania.

It is much easier to get backlinks from lots of quality PR0 pages, this works perfectly well for getting Google page 1 (I am sure lots of Warriors can prove that, I am ready to prove that as well - check my sig).

My statement does not go against yours, but it shifts the attention of SEO noobs from PR to a much bigger choice of factors which are called real SEO quality of the page and backlinks from it.

[aboutalhah]

What was this difference?

I never noticed any difference.

Franck

Originally Posted by Shadi

actually i dont agree.

I agree that PR5 is not the only thing to care about, but look at 2 websites on the same niche offering the same kind of stuff with the same promoting one with pr5 and another with less pr, and you get yourself a very big difference.

Plus I am more into development than marketting, so that is my humble opinion (A)

[captivereef]

i have a 4 year old mortgage site with 2000 pages indexed with a PR 3, this just got upgraded from a PR 2. A 1 month old wordpress blog with a PR 1 And a one month old single page blogger sales page that has a PR 2. How can they all be so close and the blogger page doing better then a 50 page wordpress blog?

[freetraff]

Originally Posted by captivereef

i have a 4 year old mortgage site with 2000 pages indexed with a PR 3, this just got upgraded from a PR 2. A 1 month old wordpress blog with a PR 1 And a one month old single page blogger sales page that has a PR 2. How can they all be so close and the blogger page doing better then a 50 page wordpress blog?

Don't forget that PR is not just what IN-COMES to the page, it is also what OUT-COMES from the page.

That is why it is possible that your 4 year old mortgage site has many inner pages and PR 3 "leaked" to the inner pages (pages that are linked directly from the home page).

But this is just one of the assumptions. It is also possible that a big number of pages that gave you backlinks lost their PR.

[SamLewi]

i have seen pr4 and up sites receiving only about a tenth of traffic than some pr0 sites!

[dburk]

Originally Posted by SamLewi

i have seen pr4 and up sites receiving only about a tenth of traffic than some pr0 sites!

Originally Posted by briscoe.reich

That's because it's obvious that PR has nothing to do with traffic.

So that begs the question, should we measure the quality of a backlink by PR, or by the amount of targeted traffic it sends your way?

Would you call a PR5 backlink high quality it it never sends you a single visitor? Would you call a backlink from a PR0 page low quality if it sends you 500 to 1000 targeted visitors a day?

We already know that PR doesn't equal traffic, is PR more important than traffic? If not, why would we use PR as a measurement of quality?

[aboutalhah]

Getting a link from a site that send you 15K targeted visitors a month is a no brainer.

Anyone refusing this should consult...

As for the PR5 that never send any visitor, I'll take is as well.

I don't mesure the quality of a backlink by the PR, because PR always change.

BUT ...

Saying that, between a PR0 and a PR 5, I'd choose the PR5...

PR is seen as quality because it's crawled more often, and you get indexed faster, etc...

Ok, let's start focusing about making money. We talk about PR for too long.

Franck

Originally Posted by dburk

So that begs the question, should we measure the quality of a backlink by PR, or by the amount of targeted traffic it sends your way?

Would you call a PR5 backlink high quality it it never sends you a single visitor? Would you call a backlink from a PR0 page low quality if it sends you 500 to 1000 targeted visitors a day?

We already know that PR doesn't equal traffic, is PR more important than traffic? If not, why would we use PR as a measurement of quality?

[daijoubu]

If PR meant nothing, PR links wouldn't be getting sold to the extent they do. It all comes down to what's known as Keyword Authority.

A site that is optimised around a certain keyword phrase, and has backlinks from relevant sites containing that keyword phrase, will almost always do better than an equivelant site which has a lower PR.

Of course a PR9 site could be outranked by a PR0 site for a non related keyword, but PR certainly does play a role in the SERPs. Just look at Wikipedia's high rankings with brand new pages with minimal backlinks. How do they rank so high? They have Site Authority, Trust and good Keyword Authority.

[Bradzz]

Search engine optimization is the factor through which the visitors can easily search for any websites all around the world. The SEO should be effective so that it could satisfy the browsers and the surfers. The speed and the processing should be fast to follow the above.

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[CTABUK]

Things do not change that much
PageRank is purely internal

Pat asked me to return here, so in the spirit of a New Year - I'm back!
Happy New Year to new friends and old.

Pagerank being internal changes daily, so stick to your Google Tools.

[Mr Bloggy]

PR really comes into play though when you finally get round to selling your website. PR0 wont get you a penny but PR8 or 9 your talk $400 easy. Thats without content coming into play

[derekwong28]

Originally Posted by Mr Bloggy

PR really comes into play though when you finally get round to selling your website. PR0 wont get you a penny but PR8 or 9 your talk $400 easy. Thats without content coming into play

I would be most interested if you can show me where to buy a PR8 or PR9 site for $400!

[dburk]

Originally Posted by CTABUK

Things do not change that much
PageRank is purely internal

Pat asked me to return here, so in the spirit of a New Year - I'm back!
Happy New Year to new friends and old.

Pagerank being internal changes daily, so stick to your Google Tools.

Hi CTABUK,

Welcome back, you've been missed around here.