How much a serious SEO campaign really cost!

[ann1986]

The lesson here is that the cheaper the cost the less work you get with your website. Serious SEO campaigns will have reasonable cost if you want to get results.

I am making this thread because many people think they can rank high with just cheap budget. Instead what they get is false promises and short term solutions. Many people think SEO is magic and can be done easily. Well, its not easy reading google's brain (algorithm)

For fairly low to moderate competition keywords total domination

On page optimization - sometimes free

Scrapebox - $97
Auto approve blog list - $20-50
Collect your own auto approve list - 1 month of full work
50 private Proxies - $99.97/month

Senuke x - $127.00/month

Xrumer - $540-570
if I want to get the most use out of it in the shortest amount of time, you should get a tutorial like Xrumer Unleashed for $299
or learn it yourself and waste your time. Xrumer support totally blows unless you speak Russian.

Dedicated Server - €105/month (try running xrumer in a lower spec server together with the other SEO tools and you will feel like you want to break your monitor

article marketing robot - $97

bookmarking demon - $147

Captcha solving - $50-100

Outsource worker fee - $400-600 (finding someone who is VERY good at all those tools for less payment and is willing to work for you is like joining a raffle draw )

Writers - $1 per 100 words

thebestspinner - $77 / year.

Link Directory submission - $10-20 per 1000 submission

Manual link builders - $200-$300/month per person (There are some high PR authority web 2.0 sites that cant be reach using SEO tools and needs to be done manually like ezine, blogspot etch.


For moderate to hard keywords:

Include the SEO tools above together with:

Private Blog networks: $100-$3000 (depending on how much result per link can give)

Link exchange - $200-$300/month per person to handle your link exchange campaign
3 way linking - $200-$300/month per person to handle campaign
Plus you link dump website cost by the way $500-1000

For very competitive keywords:

Link Buying - The lower your budget to be paid to webmaster the less link you'll get. Especially those high quality links ( related, high PR etch) cost a lot. We have seen large company paying $100/month for a single link.

$200-$300/month per person for those who handle your link buying campaign. They collect, contact and negotiate with webmasters. The less person you pay, the less link you get per month. If you have many workers then more links

Once your keywords are ranking maintenance cost can be:
For low to moderate competition $300-400/month
For hard $500-700/month
For very competitive - $800-1000

I'm sleepy, if you want to add more feel free to post a reply.

My point is, why is that many people think that SEO can be done cheaply You cant possibly call a 1m scrapebox blast a complete SEO campaign

SEO is a very expensive process because real SEO can provide more sales and bring in more clients to your business.

[Newbie11]

So then would it be cheaper for you to outsource the SEO? There are many offers on Warrior Forum for 3-5 keywords for less than $99.00.

[808glass]

Stop buying tools... purchase a service that manually builds relevant links (anchor text and content) from diverse high PR sites (directories, web 2.0, profiles, comments, etc...), then pings, indexes, and provides a second layer of links.

The problem with tools is they usually only purchase one aspect of a full link building campaign. If you only focus on one aspect and then switch to others down the road it will look spammy and your site will suffer. Now, more than ever, Google and other search engines are not just looking at the PR of your backlinks they are looking at the diversity of your link profile and the historical timeline of your backlinks. Hire a quality service, focus on your onsite optimization and content and the rankings and traffic will begin to flow.

[ARVolund]

Originally Posted by Newbie11

So then would it be cheaper for you to outsource the SEO? There are many offers on Warrior Forum for 3-5 keywords for less than $99.00.

It really depends on what you are looking for. What you need to do when outsourcing is make sure you know exactly what you are getting for your money. Ask questions before you buy and be a smart purchaser. When trying out a new service start with a smaller package to test and see how they do.


There is an advantage in buying your own tools and doing some things yourself. If you buy scrapebox for instance you can save money long term even though there is an upfront cost and while you need to run it from a vps or dedi to get the most out of it you can do more than enough work with it from your home computer if you only have a couple of sites.

[ARVolund]

I have to disagree with some of this.

Should you have a diverse link profile? Of course you should but buying tools does not keep this from happening. Having your own set of tools can save you a HUGE amount of money over the course of a year. Is it more work? Yes but like everything else you have to balance your cost vs your time. A good set of programs can keep you in the black as long as you use them wisely. There is no reason to put yourself in the position of Always having to outsource all you link building. Nobody is gong to care as much as you do about your site, doing it yourself will not only save you some money you will probably get better quality of work.

Originally Posted by 808glass

Stop buying tools... purchase a service that manually builds relevant links (anchor text and content) from diverse high PR sites (directories, web 2.0, profiles, comments, etc...), then pings, indexes, and provides a second layer of links.

The problem with tools is they usually only purchase one aspect of a full link building campaign. If you only focus on one aspect and then switch to others down the road it will look spammy and your site will suffer. Now, more than ever, Google and other search engines are not just looking at the PR of your backlinks they are looking at the diversity of your link profile and the historical timeline of your backlinks. Hire a quality service, focus on your onsite optimization and content and the rankings and traffic will begin to flow.

[ARVolund]

Originally Posted by ann1986

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Manual link builders - $200-$300/month per person (There are some high PR authority web 2.0 sites that cant be reach using SEO tools and needs to be done manually like ezine, blogspot etch.

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You might be surprised at what you can automate if you build your own bots. Any site can be automated if done correctly.

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by 808glass

Stop buying tools... purchase a service that manually builds relevant links (anchor text and content) from diverse high PR sites (directories, web 2.0, profiles, comments, etc...), then pings, indexes, and provides a second layer of links.

The problem with tools is they usually only purchase one aspect of a full link building campaign. If you only focus on one aspect and then switch to others down the road it will look spammy and your site will suffer. Now, more than ever, Google and other search engines are not just looking at the PR of your backlinks they are looking at the diversity of your link profile and the historical timeline of your backlinks. Hire a quality service, focus on your onsite optimization and content and the rankings and traffic will begin to flow.

You couldn't be more wrong, and frankly I hate hearing all this misinformation throughout this forum.

What makes you think I can't use a directory submitter, article submitter, blog commenting submitter, social network submitter, forum profile submitter, all at the same time scheduling all these tasks to drip feed throughout a months - 2 months time?

Also, What makes you think blog commenting manually on 10 high PR domains with the same IP address is better than using scrapebox/xrumer to comment on these same blogs with multiple IP's to make it look more natural?

It's how you use the tools, not the tools themselves that cause trouble.

P.S - I bet every high quality service does happen to use automation. But what do you know, right?

[808glass]

The issue is linkbuilding is so ridiculously time consuming that if you're going to be effective in the longrun you've got to learn how to outsource it properly if you want to be a successful internet marketer.

I agree though, if you're just starting out, do your linkbuilding by hand (I still wouldn't use tools though). Do it till your knuckles bleed and then you'll know how to outsource properly.

Originally Posted by ARVolund

I have to disagree with some of this.

Should you have a diverse link profile? Of course you should but buying tools does not keep this from happening. Having your own set of tools can save you a HUGE amount of money over the course of a year. Is it more work? Yes but like everything else you have to balance your cost vs your time. A good set of programs can keep you in the black as long as you use them wisely. There is no reason to put yourself in the position of Always having to outsource all you link building. Nobody is gong to care as much as you do about your site, doing it yourself will not only save you some money you will probably get better quality of work.

[ann1986]

Originally Posted by Newbie11

So then would it be cheaper for you to outsource the SEO? There are many offers on Warrior Forum for 3-5 keywords for less than $99.00.

and then you would wait for results without any report and any actual campaign plan and when you exert extra effort in your campaign and it produced results they would claim its because of their work

They would just tell you to wait for links to show in backlink checker. Thats easy to do. just blast your website with a lot of auto approve links from scrapebox and there the SEO campaign they claim.

I did mention about private blog networks so they might also be using it.

[ann1986]

Originally Posted by 808glass

Stop buying tools... purchase a service that manually builds relevant links (anchor text and content) from diverse high PR sites (directories, web 2.0, profiles, comments, etc...), then pings, indexes, and provides a second layer of links.

The problem with tools is they usually only purchase one aspect of a full link building campaign. If you only focus on one aspect and then switch to others down the road it will look spammy and your site will suffer. Now, more than ever, Google and other search engines are not just looking at the PR of your backlinks they are looking at the diversity of your link profile and the historical timeline of your backlinks. Hire a quality service, focus on your onsite optimization and content and the rankings and traffic will begin to flow.

If your good, you can make the results of automated tools look like a real person is doing the link building. If your very good you can make it look natural with less time consumed.

[ann1986]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

You couldn't be more wrong, and frankly I hate hearing all this misinformation throughout this forum.

What makes you think I can't use a directory submitter, article submitter, blog commenting submitter, social network submitter, forum profile submitter, all at the same time scheduling all these tasks to drip feed throughout a months - 2 months time?

Also, What makes you think blog commenting manually on 10 high PR domains with the same IP address is better than using scrapebox/xrumer to comment on these same blogs with multiple IP's to make it look more natural?

It's how you use the tools, not the tools themselves that cause trouble.

P.S - I bet every high quality service does happen to use automation. But what do you know, right?

I agree, if you know how to use the tools effectively then it wont cause any trouble. Tools are tools, its all about how you use them.

[Seleyna]

SEO is not an overnight success, if you want quality results, hire one seo specialist who will work on your site "fulltime". Most of the time, in agencies, one specialist will be tasked to handle more than 5 sites.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ann1986

My point is, why is that many people think that SEO can be done cheaply You cant possibly call a 1m scrapebox blast a complete SEO campaign

Them be fighting words around here

Originally Posted by Newbie11

So then would it be cheaper for you to outsource the SEO? There are many offers on Warrior Forum for 3-5 keywords for less than $99.00.

and they all tout first page placement which means something but not much. IF you rank at #8 for a term with 5,000 searches you will get 100-200 visitors or less than ten visits per day. Thats it.

Plus they all stop when you get to the first page. Do you have any idea how many sites jump to the front page and then drop back down days later never to return?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

You couldn't be more wrong, and frankly I hate hearing all this misinformation throughout this forum. [q

So do I and you are spreading it. there nothing wrong with that post. people buy far too many tools and Google does look at your link portfolio. Perhaps switching doesn't indicate your site as spammy but overall the post was on target.

What makes you think I can't use a directory submitter, article submitter, blog commenting submitter, social network submitter, forum profile submitter, all at the same time scheduling all these tasks to drip feed throughout a months - 2 months time?

Since the Op talked about A SERIOUS SEO campaign what makes you think that running a bunch of tools makes for serious SEO?

Also, What makes you think blog commenting manually on 10 high PR domains with the same IP address is better than using scrapebox/xrumer to comment on these same blogs with multiple IP's to make it look more natural?

Don't skew it now there is a benefit because if you set scrapebox to give some canned response and go blasting all over the internet webmasters tend to realize that you are not really commenting to their article and they delete or fail to approve your post.

It's how you use the tools, not the tools themselves that cause trouble.

actually some tools cause people to cause trouble. Don't tell me a piece of software that goes on line scrapes Wikipedia for you to spin and put as your own content is all innocent and when a software seller sells "set & forget" features and gives you one or two spaces for some canned responses they are not telling people to do it that way.

[janetjay]

I charge $2,000 NZD ($1,700 USD) for a complete SEO strategy and ranking of 10 keywords, plus the 100 competitive keywords in your niche.

I have used cheap SEO services before that have got my sites ranked on one or two keywords, which didn't drive traffic to my site as expected.

It's my personal opinion that you need a complete SEO strategy, on and off page so maximize traffic from Serps. A few high ranking keywords won't cut the mustard unless you're in a fab niche and get lucky.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and they all tout first page placement which means something but not much. IF you rank at #8 for a term with 5,000 searches you will get 100-200 visitors or less than ten visits per day. Thats it.

Thank you. It's sad that so many of the buyers of those offers never think it through like that. And the reality is it might even be worse than that. There is one offer that says give me 5 keywords and one url, and we'll get you to page one for one of the keywords. By the time you come up with keywords 4 and 5, you're really stretching, and those two keywords are most likely super easy to rank for because there's no traffic for them, and no competition. Now guess which keyword is most likely to get to page one? That's right, one of those two keywords that no one is searching for. And don't get me started on the meaningless guarantee, lol. It's quite the clever little gimmick he's got going on.

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So do I and you are spreading it. there nothing wrong with that post. people buy far too many tools and Google does look at your link portfolio. Perhaps switching doesn't indicate your site as spammy but overall the post was on target.





Since the Op talked about A SERIOUS SEO campaign what makes you think that running a bunch of tools makes for serious SEO?



Don't skew it now there is a benefit because if you set scrapebox to give some canned response and go blasting all over the internet webmasters tend to realize that you are not really commenting to their article and they delete or fail to approve your post.



actually some tools cause people to cause trouble. Don't tell me a piece of software that goes on line scrapes Wikipedia for you to spin and put as your own content is all innocent and when a software seller sells "set & forget" features and gives you one or two spaces for some canned responses they are not telling people to do it that way.

lol I'm seriously tired of your long pointless posts. Do it your way, I'll do it mine.

With all my 'pointless' and 'spammy' tools I'm sitting at $100/day within 2 months. Can you beat it? And this is why I may consider myself serious with SEO.

You sound stupid, use scrapebox to scrape blogs if you don't want to post. hand spin articles to put into senuke or amr if you want a quality article. Target a certain niche and do informational comments about the niche if you want to use scrapebox.

If you went to another forum and made posts like these you'd get flamed non stop.

[bmcgoff]

So what should you pay for premium SEO outsourcing for, say, one smallish site that's low to moderately competitive? $50-100/month for someone who knows what they're doing?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

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With all my 'pointless' and 'spammy' tools I'm sitting at $100/day within 2 months. Can you beat it? And this is why I may consider myself serious with SEO.

I love it. rebutting a point by stating an imaginary income
Do you know how often we get that around here. $100 a day? LOL come on man do better. Say $500 and you'll impress at least some of us and how about a $1,000 then you will really have us all going.

IF I had a dime for everyone faking it till they make it on this forum............

If you went to another forum and made posts like these you'd get flamed non stop.

yeah your right go to higher ranking , SEo Chat forums and tell them how great your spamming SEO is and see how hard real SEOs laugh at you.

P.S. if you made it already and don't need to learn anything from anyone then don't choose in the making as a username. Try I made it or something else.

[Mike Anthony]

You sound stupid, use scrapebox to scrape blogs if you don't want to post. hand spin articles to put into senuke or amr if you want a quality article. Target a certain niche and do informational comments about the niche if you want to use scrapebox.

Prime example of what the OP references. Serious SEO campaigns are more than blog commenting and article directories. Some people are stuck in a rut of WSO SEO. You can't run a tool to give you an in context link on a high authority website so you are lost talking about tools. tsk tsk