Sept 6 Update: Case study of AMR VS UAW VS linkamotion VS Article Samurai

[D Baker]

Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

Thanks.

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by D Baker

Great little test. I think you should update your initial post with the results you get. It would make it a lot easier for new folks coming to the thread see and understand the results instead of scrolling down all the comments to look for your update.

Thanks.

Oh great idea! BTW thanks a lot for your pingback plugin, I will be using it in a few weeks to collect all the pingbacks from this case study to the 5 domains and try to get all the backlinks indexed using various tools/services.

[Natlex]

Here's the latest update, not a lot of change. The UAW only site has one keyword that is finally in the top 100... For an odd reason the AMR + UAW site still does not show anywhere in rankings. I'm not too suprised by the UAW results taking time, that's very normal for that service since a lot of directories have long approval times (but UAW usually turns out to give great results around 2 months after submission).

I am surprised STILL that the AMR + UAW site is nowhere near competing with the AMR only site... Maybe it has a bit of a google dance since it's getting a lot more backlinks, we'll see over time if it settles.

AMR only site, the clear winner still:



Article Samurai site:



Linkamotion site:



UAW only site:



UAW + AMR site, no ranking keywords yet so no image.

[chienb]

Interesting analysis. Although I'm doing superb with SEnuke, AMR is quite attractive. Hmmm...

[Morpheus26]

Hi there,

first I want to thank Natlex for this awesome case study.
So you basically used URLs of your websites directly in your submissions, right? You did not link the articles to web 2.0 sites which then link to your money sites? I just ask since a couple of guys are telling other people not to use AMR or UAW on your money site directly and since I have a couple of clients where I cannot afford that there websites drop in rankings I just wanted to double check,

Second question is about AMR directly. I will buy AMR this or next week latest and as far as I understand it correctly it comes with a list of directories it submits to - now is this list any good or do we have to scrape our own directories or is it probably better to buy a list on Fiverr or some other service of that kind? Any recommendations?

And a question about using AMR the right way then. First I have to register on all of these directories with the help of AMR. Then I have to set categories for the articles and then I can submit my articles.
Can I also drip feed my articles, let's say like to 50 or 100 article directories per day or something along those lines? (Update: I checked that and I as far as I can tell it can drip feed)
How many articles do I need to write in order to be able to get started (and I am talking about a unique well written article here not a spun article)?
And when everything is set up how often do you use AMR then? Once a day, once a week or once a month?
And last question - when you setup AMR to drip feed lets say 5 articles every hour - do we need to have AMR running all the time or does it submit your settings to a server and then the server actually drip feeds the articles? So basically, can I setup everything and hit submit and after that close AMR?
And is it true that you need a new author everytime you want to submit an article with the same keywords and URLs?

And what I think is also interesting to notice in your case study is that the AMR site has the best rankings but not a single backlink shows up in MS, whereas the linkamotion service obviously creates quite a lot of backlinks (round about 117). Do you have an idea why?

[Natlex]

1) You can use it both ways, for this case study yes it's linked directly to the sites (and most of the time even without a case study and my real money sites)

2) The initial directory list is very vast, you can add a bit more but it's more or less worth it, most won't work hence why they are not already in AMR. But I was able to add an extra 100 or so working directories, mine actually says 1k+ above the release amount but most don't work as I said.

3) Yes it drip feeds if you want.

4) how many articles you want to write depends on you, I rarely do more then 1-2 article for AMR per website/month. (which is also how often I use it, a few times a month)

5) you need AMR running, I use a VPS that has AMR and other stuff like senukex/scrapebox on.

6) I guess it just means majestic seo is more efficient at finding the linkamotion links (blog networks) vs the article directory ones. We'll see what happens once I start trying to index the non indexed backlinks.

[Morpheus26]

Thanks for all your answers Natlex.
Lets say I do not have a VPS and I just start AMR every morning, it would work the same way right?
What is the reason for a VPS running Scrapebox since there is so much interaction needed in order to use it right, what do you use Scrapebox for on your VPS?

One or two articles per month per site, that sounds doable. I just do not want to write one article each day like some other systems need you to do like BMR or UAW.

[John Moore]

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

[cooler1]

Interesting study. I've had AMR for 2 months, but my results have been disappointing.

In the article resource box, I put a link to both my sites main page and an inner page, but no backlinks have been indexed at all to my inner pages nor the main page.

I've created an RSS feed out of each of the live links reports and submitted it to RSS directories and also pinged the RSS feed.

For one of my sites, i've submitted 3 articles to AMR. Here are the results from the live links report.

Article 1. Articles found: 22
Article 2. Articles found: 93
Article 3. Articles found: 193

Although, the actual number of article URL's contained in the report is lower than the "Articles found" figure.

My main question is, how many articles found should I be getting in the live links reports to get decent results? Does it usually take a very long time for backlinks to get indexed?

[Morpheus26]

Originally Posted by John Moore

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

Ok I see that you can let your programs run in the background. That is an advantage of course and I can see this advantage for programs like SENuke or AMR once setup but how would you use it with Scrapebox and how much is such a VPS system per month? I have a couple of tools that I would like to run 24 hours a day and this would help.

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by John Moore

Morpheus, dedicated/virtual servers are a must for serious backlinking, it just gives you that extra capability you never had, having a backlink campaign running on a server gives you peace of mind when your computer isn't on or lagging. If you're only doing 1 article per day then maybe not, however you'll naturally want to scale and having the extra firepower always comes in handy.

Yes you can just log on the moning and let it run the scheduled articles but seriously, getting a VPS is a must. You can find cheap ones for $15 per motnh that work well. I'm currently running a $30/month solution with 2gb of ram because at 1gb (the $15 one) I was only able to run 2 programs at a time. Now with 2 I can run it them all in the background and actively work on one without any lag. I have been using scrapebox + sick submitter at times without problems with the 2gb option.

You can see a post I made about it here: Guide to Using a Windows Virtual Private Server to make your life easier | The Link Back

Ya I have an affiliate link to http://www.thrustvps.com/ in my blog post but they pay a measly $1 per month that you are active so honestly I recommend them because it has worked well for me despite the extreme low cost.

[That Guy]

Wow, you also gained some PR using only AMR and it's only been a month! I think I need to fine tune the way I'm using AMR because yo're getting much faster results than me especially from just using one form of backlinking.

[johnrichardjack]

are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by johnrichardjack

are you just hitting your home page with the links from AMR and UAW or are you spreading the links to other pages of your site?

do you submit all of the articles all at once or do you drip feed the submissions?

will hitting your homepage with too many links from AMR and UAW get your blog sandboxed?

I've explained all of that in my posts but yes, 1 link to homepage (with 2 keywords) and another link to an inner page (with the other 2 keywords).

I almost always drip feed.

Who knows what exactly will get you sandboxed until it happens...

BTW, last week of updates because the results barely moved, I'll update it in a few days and most likely only do 2 week updates with images as usual from now on.

[Natlex]

Ok here's week 6 update. I think I will start compiling the pingbacks this week and sending links to the backlinks now and try to get them all indexed.

AMR and UAW results:



AMR only results, lost a bit of rankings this week, google dance maybe?


Article Samura results, starting to rank well but only the inner page, a bit odd.



UAW only



Linkamotion:





So all sites are ranking right now at least, some might be in the middle of small Google Dances.

[Texjd]

I did a compariosn this summer of AMR and UAW and got similar results. It was no where near as scientific as yours but the bottom line was AMR came out on top by far. And over the 3 months my PR was good enough to give some good juice to use my own websites to get some good links.

As far as the serps go, it was really all over the place depending on the keywords. Never got on page 1 but all moved up into position for other linking to have greater impact. So AMR is one of my key components in linking.

[Morpheus26]

Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.

[Tom L]

I've had some good success with AMR so far, its really good for getting your other links strengthened.

[PeterTod]

I too just missed out of buying into article samurai last month.

Really want to know how AS works and this case study is a great read.

Keep up the good work - bookmarked this thread.
Cheers!

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by Morpheus26

Ok you got me I bought and setup a VPS today. I also signed up at the AMR article directories. Now one of my last questions is how long do AMR articles need to be in order to get the best submission results? Do you use spinned articles for that or do you write original content? Maybe someone is willing to share just one of his old articles that he/she submitted to the AMR network, just that I see how you structured these articles. That would be awesome.

Thanks and I am really looking forward to see the links from AMR getting indexed, but I mean what matters most are the rankings and there AMR seems to be on top paired with linkamotion.

I have 400-450 words with spin syntax.

[jonkjonk]

For anyone afraid to ask, AMR is Article Marketing Robot and UAW is Unique Article Wizard

Thanks for the thread, it's been very handy

[Morpheus26]

Thanks Natlex.
Appreciate it.

[blhunt]

Some days lately I'm using SENuke, AMR, BMD, scrapebox, initially the result is very satisfying because I can win the high competition keywords. However, since yesterday, my visitor suddenly dropped to 90%.

Currently, i just update my site without any optimization. May my site can have a lot of visitors again.

[Morpheus26]

If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by Morpheus26

If you have Scrapebox, BMD, AMR, Market Samurai and Forum Profile Creation software, is there really a need for SENuke X and what would be the advantage of it? What is probably the best unique selling point for SENuke X that justifies this huge monthly fee? Would be cool to get some more information from you guys. Thanks.

I still don't really get the point of senukex personally.. I would really love to see rankings results of people who have used senukex only for direct linking and can show it's ranking improvements. Since senukex is so much money for affiliates a ton of people like to say it's amazing but the fact is BMD is better for bookmarking, AMR is better for article marketing/distribution and they are both one time fees. The only thing I like about senukeX is the fact that it can quickly make web 2.0s but I'm not sure how useful making so many web 2.0s is compared to having manually done and updated 5-15 of them....

[PeterTod]

Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

Good luck to you, Cheers!

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by PeterTod

Hmm, yes I've always wondered why people rave on about senuke. I took a quick look and thought it was too expensive for what it is, but yeah maybe people give it great reviews because of its high affiliate payout, nice mthly income.

By the way I tried to use the contact form on your linkback website and it's not working. I haven't found a better no bull**** information site like that in a long long time. Keep on going with this test and with your superb input on your blog and forum.

Good luck to you, Cheers!

Oh wow you are right... It seems akismet is having issues with it. I removed it and just put my email address instead. Thanks for the compliments on the blog .

[DebiNZ]

Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.

[Natlex]

Originally Posted by DebiNZ

Great thread, I've subscribed. Interested to keep updated with your results.

I'll do an update in a few days, I've started doing backlinks to the services giving me pingbacks, maybe that will favor some of them over others.

[oscarkool]

senuke x is extremely overrated, I've had the software for awhile and I can't remember the last time I saw a true success story from it - it's all hype. And like you said, the only reason people 'rave' about it is because of the huge commissions. Sure, it's all based on the person actually using it, but article spinning and blasting is so pre-panda. There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.

[momokk22]

what a good job, Natlex, thanks for you case, I will keep on reading.

[PeterTod]

Originally Posted by oscarkool

There's a reason your linkamotion links are working so well - it's a legit network. If you were to submit higher quality articles to the network instead of spun ones, I guarantee you'd rank much higher, much more quickly.

Looks like linkamotion is giving the worst results from the 5th Sept update - or am I reading the results wrong?

Sorry - just looked again and it was me reading them wrong!

[Becker13]

Youll always be my favorite SEO tool natalex =D