Innovative way to make an enormous amount of Easy money

[Alyona The Publicist]

A couple of years ago Arbitrage was a really easy way to make money and their were lots of people doing it with a profit. I don't know why but it seems this technique was utilized much less and it started whining out.

I have managed to set up a system again a couple of days ago and am making EASY money with this system. - More about how I do it later on in this thread.

For now, for the benefit of the newbies I want to explain in detail what arbitrage and what internet marketing arbitrage is all about.

So arbitrage in the real world is when a businessman or speculator buys something for a price, it could be anything from stocks to betting odds and manages to sell it almost immediately on another market for a premium. So for example if a person dealing in stocks manages to find a particular stock for $1 in a market and sells it almost immediately for $1.1 on another market, he is making a profit of 10cents on each stock, if he can sell a million of these daily he is on to become rich quickly!

Similiar techniques exist in the betting industry where arbitreurs 'buy' odds from a betting company and buy different odds from another company and if they are witty enough they will ensure a profit no matter how the bet goes!

This is complicated stuff which I am of course not going to go into here on this thread, but what I will explain in detail is how internet marketing arbitrage worked in the past and how I utilized this technique to set up a system a couple of days ago that is rendering me a good easy profi, which could be easily replicated by you guys.

So in the past internet marketers discovered what is known as Google Arbitrage. Basically this system involved setting up a site with some articles and Adsense on it, high paying keywords were selected such as Debt Consolidation, Lawyers or Insurance. Each click for such niches pays around $1.5 each (sometimes even more). Later traffic was bought cheaply from adwords by targeting less competitive keywords perhaps at 10cents per click by targeting low competition keywords related to the main niche(yes in the good old days it was possible to buy such traffic from adwords).

With some tweaking the system would provide you with a good recurrent, easy profit. So people would buy for example 100 clicks from adwords at 10cents each and would cost 10 USD.

Those 100 clicks would result in a 15% click through rate on adsense at an average of $1.5 per click, meaning an income of 22.5 USD.

That means the person running this scheme would be doing a 12.5 USD profit for every $10 invested.

However when google adwords traffic prices started going up drastically such systems became very tricky and difficult to implement.

Some 5 years ago I personally made a lot of money from such systems.

Nevertheless a couple of days ago it dawned on me that I haven't used the 'arbitrage' system anymore, so I decided to change the methods slightly and what I did is the following.

So I set up an insurance page with some articles and adsense as usual. Set up an advert on facebook and set a low price of 15cents per click, I selected lots of european countries (where advertising is much cheaper than US traffic) and started getting lots of clicks, I made so much money that I managed to up the CTR on facebook for 25 cents and still ended up with an impressive profit. I am monitoring this scheme closely and will probably add a couple more adverts soon. I am spending $50 daily and making around another $75 easily from one scheme. Perhaps I will set up a couple of more sites like this. I was impressed with how easy it is to set up such a system, couldn't believe I didn't think about this before!!!

[Gary Ning Lo]

Good read.

Thanks for sharing this.

There must be some other ways to use this system in IM.

Anyone ?

Cheers,

~Gary

[James Stewart]

Agreed, this sounds interesting.

Possible WSO in the making!!

James

[ExRat]

Hi alyonafrendo,

If you look into it, there is a lot of speculation about whether Google approves of any kind of arbitrage or use of PPC (not just adwords) in order to earn money from adsense or whether it puts your account at risk.

I'm not going to get into the speculation, but it's a bit strong to call this -

Innovative way to make an enormous amount of Easy money

...without at least researching or mentioning this risk as a disclaimer.

Also -

That means the person running this scheme would be doing a 12.5 USD profit for every $10 invested.

You also need to consider the time delay on receiving payment, the risk of getting banned and losing payment during that delay plus the unreliability of gaining valid/useful clicks and the required CPC, if you are going to use the words 'easy' and 'enormous.'

To earn 'enormous' amounts of money you also have to take enormous risks, there's no other way around it.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by garytsang

There must be some other ways to use this system in IM.

~Gary

Yes there are limitless ways you can change this system to make money. In fact I have just set up another site whereby I am paying for cheap traffic from facebook and I set up some reviews for a couple of insurance related ebooks (from clickbank).

I will see how it goes...

I have just rechecked the stats for the other adsense site and it's still going strong

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi alyonafrendo,

If you look into it, there is a lot of speculation about whether Google approves of any kind of arbitrage or use of PPC (not just adwords) in order to earn money from adsense or whether it puts your account at risk.

I agree it could be risky, but if you monitor closely your accounts it is easily doable.

I read the google adsense terms of service and there is nothing against such a system. I took the following precautions however:

- Ensured that my sites are very well designed
- Adsense is not intrusive
- Included a privacy policy, contact us, about us pages etc. on the sites

With regards to google adwords, as i said I am not using it so there's no risk.

If you found something in the adsense TOS please let me know so I adjust accordingly.

Also I am trying a new system now and on the webpage I am putting clickbank products instead of adsense, I'll see how that goes

[Andyhenry]

Yes - this is not new. Arbitrage comes around in cycles in IM when people have not talked about it for a while it gets referred to like it's new again.

This is what PPC is all about - knowing what you can make for what you spend on clicks. You can plug in a product, an affiliate product, an email subscription or Adsense ads but the idea is the same.

Arbitrage is actually one of the low profit models of marketing because you're not building a business - just running ads and buying clicks.

Andy

[magnates]

Like Andy said , there is nothing new

Just mixture of the new and the old , give it a new name and everybody starts to think it is new

Except for the advent of automation , there is nothing new under the sun

Arbitrage has existed before Babylonian tiimes !!!

People need to stop looking at something new and look for what works

I don't care how new it is , I want it to work !!!

IM Arbitrage is doable , there would always be risks involved

If it is so easy , we all be doing it . Some people will just not take the risk , some people will

It is up to you to find the risk that is right for you

You can get banned , you can run out of cash , it is up to manage your risks and go for it

Or think a little differently to find a solution

~Femi

[ExRat]

Hi alyona frendo,

I agree it could be risky, but if you monitor closely your accounts it is easily doable.

No, it's not.

With regards to google adwords, as i said I am not using it so there's no risk.

Please re-read my post.

If you found something in the adsense TOS please let me know so I adjust accordingly.

Again, the information you need is within my post. You know how to use Google to search, right? The adjustment I recommend is not doing this if you prefer not to lose your adsense account, it's common sense.

If you were paying for adsense advertising, would you want to pay for people who clicked through from Facebook to a webpage and then clicked off that page via adsense?

What's an enormous amount of easy money?

£12500?

In order to earn that 'easily' you have to invest £10000 and then hope that you had got your metrics right, hope that nothing went wrong and then wait to be paid by Google in order to receive your profit and original investment back.

The next time a new warrior comes here complaining that they had looked around and decided that we were all liars, hyping everything up, talking nonsense and making claims that we hadn't actually tested while leading people down a path where they would lose money and get accounts frozen, I'll send them to you to explain why. Please don't join in the whingeing on the 'I got kicked out of Google' threads, either.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by ExRat

The next time a new warrior comes here complaining that they had looked around and decided that we were all liars, hyping everything up, talking nonsense and making claims that we hadn't actually tested while leading people down a path where they would lose money and get accounts frozen, I'll send them to you to explain why. Please don't join in the whingeing on the 'I got kicked out of Google' threads, either.

I would like to clear some points here as it seems that you opened a crusade against my technique

- I did not say it's something new which I invented! , in fact in my first post I clearly stated that it's something which has been used years ago.

- I named the thread 'innovative way to make money' because there's not much talk about such a system on the warrior forum and probably there hasn't been for years! so for many warriors who have been here only a couple of years this could be all 'innovative' when compared to the other techniques being discussed over and over again.

- I am not hyping up anything, because I am not selling anything related to arbitrage, I am just sharing something that worked for me with other warriors. If you don't like my method or are not ready to risk any money just don't do it!!

- I am not making any claims which I haven't tested yet, I am testing them and I am posting the results right now.

- I have gone through the Google Adsense TOS and there is absolutely nothing against doing arbitrage. The only thing against the TOS would be if I encouraged anyone to click.

I am right now testing clickbank products instead of adsense and I will very soon post how my results work out.

Arbitrage is not rocket science, it can be done, I am doing it, posting about my results. It's not something you should dive into and invest thousands.

My advice is : start by investing $10 a day from buying ads, if you don't want to risk your adsense account use a clickbank product instead.

ps : I have just emailed google, if and when they reply I will post their position on what I have been doing right here on this post.

[Chris Kent]

Using arbitrage with Google Adsense can get your account banned (regardless of what the TOS says). That's probably why it went out of fashion.

Otherwise arbitrage is alive and well. People are using it a lot in the offline marketing sphere.

[BloggingPro]

If you want to see some arbitrage at work, just head on over to the Warrior For Hire section.

I've found plenty of "services" which are actually gigs from Fiverr. How do you know? Often times they copy the title of the gig word for word. Why pay $12 for a Pyramid link building service that offers the exact same amount of links as a $5 fiverr gig?

That would be a profit of $7 and I'm sure the person has made more than a few sales.

[markkro88]

Ok so you spend $50 on Facebook ads and make $75 from adsense right? So you are only making $25 a day? I'm just trying to clarify the profit margins for this system.

[kindsvater]

Thanks for sharing. I can see why Googleborg might care if it was Adwords to Adsense, but otherwise it shouldn't care where your traffic comes from.

Not that rationality necessarily means anything to Google.

But it might be a breach of Google's contract with Adsense advertisers, or have anti-trust implications, if it were to deny them impressions and clicks simply because the traffic came from a competitor like Facebook.

.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Thanks for sharing. I can see why Googleborg might care if it was Adwords to Adsense, but otherwise it shouldn't care where your traffic comes from.

Not that rationality necessarily means anything to Google.

But it might be a breach of Google's contract with Adsense advertisers, or have anti-trust implications, if it were to deny them impressions and clicks simply because the traffic came from a competitor like Facebook.

.

Exactly that sums up my point entirely, if google adsense had to ban someone from using the adsense account without any reason or if it quoted a rule which is not listed in the TOS then most probably it would face class suite action lawsuits en masse.

If they didn't want people to use google adsense for arbitrage purposes they would just have said so.

The problem with this system is that some years ago rumours started circulating that this was completely against the adsense TOS, but I suspect that these rumours were implanted in the forums and blogs by people who were using this system and were getting rich doing it!!!!

Originally Posted by markkro88

Ok so you spend $50 on Facebook ads and make $75 from adsense right? So you are only making $25 a day? I'm just trying to clarify the profit margins for this system.

Yes that's how my system is working right now on average. However you should bear in mind that to set up this system you spend two or three hours from start to end, including setting up a simple site, just imagine if you did 4 sites like this you would be reaping $100 profits a day!!! ....and that's not hyped up I assure you because I have been personally making such amounts.

As I stated above I am implementing another similiar system but I am using clickbank products instead of adsense, I still have not got enough statistics to say it's succesful too but the preliminary testing indicate that it's actually better than adsense!

I will post soon with my results.

I cannot understand why people here enjoy commenting negatively on other people's method and don't like it when other warriors share such relatively unknown systems with other newbie warriors.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by alyonafrendo

The problem with this system is that some years ago rumours started circulating that this was completely against the adsense TOS, but I suspect that these rumours were implanted in the forums and blogs by people who were using this system and were getting rich doing it!!!!

As I stated above I am implementing another similiar system but I am using clickbank products instead of adsense, I still have not got enough statistics to say it's succesful too but the preliminary testing indicate that it's actually better than adsense!

I cannot understand why people here enjoy commenting negatively on other people's method and don't like it when other warriors share such relatively unknown systems with other newbie warriors.

Ok I'll bite and respond to these comments.

1 - Your assumptions about why people say Adsense arbitrage is dodgy is wrong. There were a LOT of people who got their Adsense accounts banned for doing arbitrage.

Google does not like MFA sites (Made For Adsense) and they have publicly said this. This started on June 1st 2007. That's why it went quiet. There had been a LOT of products on this and people doing it until the bans started.

So the 'rumours' are in fact just the evidence of people trying to prevent others from jeapardizing their business by doing things that can get their account banned.

2 - So you're not actually doing arbitrage anyway - you're doing PPC advertising but have misunderstood the concept and are calling it arbitrage. By that model any paid advertising is arbitrage and all affiliate marketing is abitrage.

It looks like you've just learned the word and are applying it to things that are not it - and telling people how great your results are doing it when in fact you're doing affiliate marketing but missing out the biggest part of that business model (the lifetime value of a customer) and only focusing on using PPC to push people to products.

Nothing wrong with affililiate marketing, but to call it arbitrage and tell people is an innovative (advance, forward-looking, ground-breaking) method is just wrong. It's not new at all and people do talk about it all the time.

3 - The reason people are commenting negatively is because you're trying to make out you're talking about something cool and new that people don't know about and that doesn't get talked about, and even trying to to justify why people may have been tricked into not talking about it, when you've just got your wires all crossed and are talking about things you're not doing and calling the things you are doing something different - and people don't want to see you misleading other members and giving people yet another messed up version of what IM is that could get them problems they don't want.


You're coming from the perspective of thinking it's all about you, and why are people picking on 'your method' - when in fact people are just trying to point out that what you're saying is confused - and they don't want you to confuse anyone else in the same way.

I think that's all that's happening - don't take it personally as it's about what you're saying and not about you.

[larkin]

thanks for sharing. arbitrage is always interesting. it's huge if you find out the right way.

[Alyona The Publicist]

@andyhenry

you say "Google does not like MFA sites (Made For Adsense) and they have publicly said this"

I beg to differ... if you say they publicly said this, can you tell us where please?

I already wrote in this thread, but will repeat it for the convenience of the readers, I did not build a 'made for adsense site' in fact I stated clearly that I created sites with several articles and did not put adsense in obtrusive places, I also included privacy pages, disclaimers etc. so they cannot count as mfa sites.

Also I checked the adsense TOS and didn't see anything in particular against arbitrage.

Anyway... I am testing clickbank products on one other site right now and the results seem to be slightly better than adsense.

I also emailed the google adsense team themselves about this and if they reply I will immediately publish their email on this thread.

Regarding if it's 'my' method or not, I never said that I invented this method, in fact if you read my original post you will notice I clearly say that this was used a lot some years ago, but it seems that it died out recently. Altough I suspect that many internet marketers are using it but are not talking about it because they fear that other people might use it and somehow they will not make profits with it.

To make things clear, I did not invent this method (never said so) and altough it worked wonders for me it might not work for everyone, altough if anyone tries it and it doesn't work out I suggest they post their predicament on this post and I will try to help them out from my experience with arbitrage.

you also say "don't take it personally as it's about what you're saying and not about you."

don't worry I am not taking it personally and actually I am enjoying getting feedback from you, this is a mature discussion and I believe that people should engage more in such discussions, everyone will learn something and form their opinion of what's good and what's wrong for them.

thanks for your input

[Andyhenry]

I have no reason to keep pushing you on this except to remind you that some people will take any 'facts' you offer as truth so you should check why you believe a fact and where your information comes from before telling it to others as fact.

I'm not trying to pick an arguement and I have nothing to prove or sell so I'm going to stop distracting your thread and leave you to it.

Good luck with your efforts and I wish you well with your marketing.
Andy

[markkro88]

Alyonafrendo can you PM me I have a couple questions I would like to ask you regarding this technique.

[coolseek]

Interesting. This would be good if the person know how to do PPC in other to reduce their cost.

[timpears]

My understanding is that Google is kind of iffy about using PPC to sites with AdSense on it. I don't know exactly what their stance on it is, but I know you can't use AdWords to send traffic to your site with AdSense any more. I don't think it would pay in these days anyway.

I would be very careful about risking my AdSense account with this process. Sounds very interesting and enticing, but I am a bit nervous about doing it. I don't know squat about Facebook advertising anyway. I almost never go to Facebook and have never seen any of their ads, even though I have heard it is a good medium for the right offers.

[Fking]

Hey, alyonafrendo thanks for the valuable info.
There will always be people that won't like it, but i appreciate it.

Would you mind sharing your strategies on getting facebook clicks that cheap (i kinda couldn't) and what's your CTR on the adsense site. Since that's also critical for the positive ROI.

Thank you a ton!

[Talen]

Originally Posted by alyonafrendo

Exactly that sums up my point entirely, if google adsense had to ban someone from using the adsense account without any reason or if it quoted a rule which is not listed in the TOS then most probably it would face class suite action lawsuits en masse.

Adsense is very clear in it's ToS regarding paid traffic and MFA sites.

If they didn't want people to use google adsense for arbitrage purposes they would just have said so.

They have...read the ToS

The problem with this system is that some years ago rumours started circulating that this was completely against the adsense TOS, but I suspect that these rumours were implanted in the forums and blogs by people who were using this system and were getting rich doing it!!!!

Obviously it's no use explaining to you that it IS in the adsense ToS...no rumor about it.

I named the thread 'innovative way to make money' because there's not much talk about such a system on the warrior forum and probably there hasn't been for years!

and the reason would be ? It's against the adsense ToS



Yes that's how my system is working right now on average. However you should bear in mind that to set up this system you spend two or three hours from start to end, including setting up a simple site, just imagine if you did 4 sites like this you would be reaping $100 profits a day!!! ....and that's not hyped up I assure you because I have been personally making such amounts.

As I stated above I am implementing another similiar system but I am using clickbank products instead of adsense, I still have not got enough statistics to say it's succesful too but the preliminary testing indicate that it's actually better than adsense!

I will post soon with my results.

I cannot understand why people here enjoy commenting negatively on other people's method and don't like it when other warriors share such relatively unknown systems with other newbie warriors.[/QUOTE]

[SeanSeely]

IMO, Arbitrage can be used with any technique for a quick profit, but it's how sustainable it is that makes the difference.

[ElectronPlumber]

Everyone likes to beat each other with the Google Adsense TOS without EVER BACKING IT UP.

First, here is the Adsense TOS: http://www.google.com/adsense/localized-terms

There is NOTHING in it about traffic sources, paid or otherwise. NOTHING. So technically everyone is wrong.

However, it does reference the Adsense Program Policies which is what you should actually be paying attention to: https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...y?answer=48182

Scroll down to Traffic Sources and click on "Learn More" right below it. There you find the section that is relevant to this discussion. It says:

"To ensure a positive experience for Internet users and Google advertisers, sites displaying Google ads may not:
...
Receive traffic from online advertising unless the site complies with the spirit of Google's Landing Page Quality Guidelines. For instance, users should easily be able to find what your ad promises."

So there you go. Depending on what he is advertising and how his landing page is setup, he could be 100% clean. If I advertise on Facebook for information about applying to nursing schools and have a site that has
unique and useful content regarding things to put on an application and follow the placement guidelines, there will be no violations.

[onlinemarketer23]

Hi alynoafrendo,

profiting on adsense thru ppc is just difficult due to the high level of competition going after a simple click every single day.. but what you has done smartly is to adapt your scheme to current trending conditions coming around the net.. and facebook is in fact a gold mine to make a huge amount of bucks if traffic-paying traffic are implemented in a proper way!!

Cheers and once again.. thanks alyonafredo for your practical and stunning share!!

[xxxJamesxxx]

I think this would work if Facebook was your source of traffic but Adwords... No way - too expensive man

James

[Talen]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

There is NOTHING in it about traffic sources, paid or otherwise. NOTHING. So technically everyone is wrong.

However, it does reference the Adsense Program Policies which is what you should actually be paying attention to:

Scroll down to Traffic Sources and click on "Learn More" right belowEveryone likes to beat each other with the Google Adsense TOS without EVER BACKING IT UP.

First, here is the Adsense TOS: ww it. There you find the section that is relevant to this discussion. It says:

"To ensure a positive experience for Internet users and Google advertisers, sites displaying Google ads may not:
...
Receive traffic from online advertising unless the site complies with the spirit of Google's Landing Page Quality Guidelines. For instance, users should easily be able to find what your ad promises."

So there you go. Depending on what he is advertising and how his landing page is setup, he could be 100% clean. If I advertise on Facebook for information about applying to nursing schools and have a site that has
unique and useful content regarding things to put on an application and follow the placement guidelines, there will be no violations.

You just proved it is in the ToS...

5.Prohibited Uses.
(viii) act in any way that violates any Program Policies posted on the Google Web Site.

Other than that you can talk to the thousands of adsese publishers who thought they had clean landing pages and had their accounts banned by adsense anyway no matter where their traffic was coming from.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Hello to everyone, on this thread i will reply to some of the comments on this section:

Fking asked me to share my strategy on getting cheapest facebook clicks and what's my adsense CTR.

Well to get cheap facebook clicks you have to look outside the US, but try to target english speaking countries preferabbly such as UK, canada and australia where there isn't so much facebook advertising competition

Talen stated that adsense TOS are against MFA sites and paid traffic and he goes on to say that it is actually written in the TOS!!

No it's not!!! - did you actually read the adsense TOS?! or are you just parroting something you read elsewhere?

@electronplumber - thanks for taking the time to go through the google adsense TOS and thanks thanks thanks for saying openly on this forum that you did not find anything against this system.

I stated many times above that it is extremely important to have a good website, adsense will not penalize you if you have a site with at least 5 - 10 good articles always include privacy, contact, disclaimer and about us pages (google loves these!) and you should be ok

on a sidenote, i emailed the adsense team to take a look at my site, and altough the statcounter showed a google employee (or was it a bot?!!!) going round my pages, i still haven't got a reply from them! - I will post the reply from google as soon as i receive it.

xxxjamesxxx said that facebook traffic works and adwords traffic doesn't -

That's true in fact i said so from the begining, adwords used to work 5 years ago when their traffic was way cheaper, but now it's too costly to implement such a scheme with, and that's why i said i am using facebook and not adwords now!

Talen in a later post below the first one stated that he found proof that adsense TOS talks against arbitrage.

NO YOU DID NOT!!! The adsense TOS speaks about good landing pages and not against arbitrage. - There is nothing of that sort in the adsense TOS! - it says you have to have a clean landing page, and that's what i have been saying on this thread, for at least 10 times, you have to have a solid website, with some good articles, privacy, disclaimer, contact, etc. pages because google values these. Even if you are not doing arbitrage and are getting your traffic to your adsense pages from SEO efforts, you still have to have a good website otherwise google will still penalize you!

conclusion: This system is working for me, I emailed adsense and they did not yet reply but did not ban me as many are implying would happen, I am making a 75% ROI easily, I am creating more sites like the first one, some are making more some are making less but on average I would say i am making 75%.

[faysal969]

Very useful thread.

Thanks for starting this nice and useful article.

[glide21]

I may be missing a trick here, I have been using arbitrage for years with Forex trading. The idea is I buy from 1 broker at price x and sell on another at price x+1, so I make +1 guaranteed. With this system, you advertize on FB and drive traffic to a site where the clicker may or may not click on your adsense, how is that arbitrage? You depend on the user clicking your adsense or clickbank products (probably around 70% refund rate anyway)??

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by glide21

I may be missing a trick here, I have been using arbitrage for years with Forex trading. The idea is I buy from 1 broker at price x and sell on another at price x+1, so I make +1 guaranteed. With this system, you advertize on FB and drive traffic to a site where the clicker may or may not click on your adsense, how is that arbitrage? You depend on the user clicking your adsense or clickbank products (probably around 70% refund rate anyway)??

I mentioned in the first thread that internet marketing arbitrage is quite different from the other arbitrage in finance, betting etc.

There are no guarantees, but you are playing on averages here, so on average i buy clicks at 10cents from facebook and send them to 'high paying keywords' adsense site where i get around $1 per click and get an average of 20-25% ctr.

meaning that 'on average' i make a profit.

It's not a science - but i assure you i am making a good profit out of it!!

also re: your clickbank refund rate... wow! 70% is way too high, I normally get around 5% refunds!!! you must be doing something REALLY wrong, or you are just parotting something you read somewhere

[glide21]

Ok thanks for clarifying, this is not what arbitrage is although I am sure you do ok. I rarely promote CB products anymore unless I know the author and the product is dead sound. Far more money in promoting brokers as I then get paid for as long the punter continues trading, and CPA where refunds not an issue. There are no available stats on CB refunds although I have spoken to some big IM names and they all agree that CB refunds are way too easy to come by.

[Fking]

I keep getting amazed how ignorant people on forums might be.
Someone is trying to share something that might be useful to many, and the few people that don't intend to use it, jump in trying to beat the enthusiasm down.

It would be ok if it was augmented with facts.....but it's pure speculation.


In short, alyonafrendo is 100% right. Here is it clearly explained by Google itself, especially for ARBITRAGE:
Arbitrage - AdWords Help

As he/she said number of times, it's ok as long as you have normal site, not MFA one.

It would be pure nonsense if google banned anyone with adsense on their site, trying to jump start it with adwords advertisement. Why would they shoot theirselfes in the foot?
As long as the user experience is ok, they don't care if you return some of your costs for adwords with adsense.

It's perfectly normal for starting sites with low budgets to buy some traffic from adwords, and minimize their costs by getting some profit from adsense, instead of just bouncing traffic.


alyonafrendo, i'm heavily starting to test this with facebook and other cheap sources of traffic, so far i don't have much success with facebook, since i still can't manage to get cheap enough clicks, but will keep trying.
If you want to exchange experience about facebook and the other sources, please PM me your facebook or email

Thanks!

[glide21]

[QUOTE=Fking;4372195]I keep getting amazed how ignorant people on forums might be.
Someone is trying to share something that might be useful to many, and the few people that don't intend to use it, jump in trying to beat the enthusiasm down.

Ignorance mate is not knowing what the f&^&k you're talking about.

Arbitrage is clearly defined as: "In economics and finance, arbitrage (IPA: /ˈɑrbɨtrɑːʒ/) is the practice of taking advantage of a price difference between two or more markets: striking a combination of matching deals that capitalize upon the imbalance, the profit being the difference between the market prices. When used by academics, an arbitrage is a transaction that involves no negative cash flow at any probabilistic or temporal state and a positive cash flow in at least one state; in simple terms, it is the possibility of a risk-free profit at zero cost." Arbitrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said I never said this is a bad idea, simply not arbitrage, Ignoramus.

[Fking]

[quote=glide21;4372246]

Originally Posted by Fking

I keep getting amazed how ignorant people on forums might be.
Someone is trying to share something that might be useful to many, and the few people that don't intend to use it, jump in trying to beat the enthusiasm down.

Ignorance mate is not knowing what the f&^&k you're talking about.

Arbitrage is clearly defined as: "In economics and finance, arbitrage (IPA: /ˈɑrbɨtrɑːʒ/) is the practice of taking advantage of a price difference between two or more markets: striking a combination of matching deals that capitalize upon the imbalance, the profit being the difference between the market prices. When used by academics, an arbitrage is a transaction that involves no negative cash flow at any probabilistic or temporal state and a positive cash flow in at least one state; in simple terms, it is the possibility of a risk-free profit at zero cost." Arbitrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said I never said this is a bad idea, simply not arbitrage, Ignoramus.

hehe, did you at least read the link i provided? :>

[Talen]

Originally Posted by alyonafrendo

Talen stated that adsense TOS are against MFA sites and paid traffic and he goes on to say that it is actually written in the TOS!!

No it's not!!! - did you actually read the adsense TOS?! or are you just parroting something you read elsewhere?



Talen in a later post below the first one stated that he found proof that adsense TOS talks against arbitrage.

NO YOU DID NOT!!! The adsense TOS speaks about good landing pages and not against arbitrage. - There is nothing of that sort in the adsense TOS! - it says you have to have a clean landing page, and that's what i have been saying on this thread, for at least 10 times, you have to have a solid website, with some good articles, privacy, disclaimer, contact, etc. pages because google values these. Even if you are not doing arbitrage and are getting your traffic to your adsense pages from SEO efforts, you still have to have a good website otherwise google will still penalize you!

If you took the time to read the ToS yourself instead of posting pure conjecture you would find as I stated before that article IV of the Adsense ToS states that you must adhere to all program rules and policies. I'm not going to bother posting those rules and policies but you might try reading them sometime.

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Talen

If you took the time to read the ToS yourself instead of posting pure conjecture you would find as I stated before that article IV of the Adsense ToS states that you must adhere to all program rules and policies. I'm not going to bother posting those rules and policies but you might try reading them sometime.

And you read this:

Arbitrage
What's the policy?

Google AdWords doesn't allow the promotion of websites that are designed for the sole or primary purpose of showing ads. This practice of promoting sites where the main purpose is to get users to click on ads is called arbitrage.

We've created this policy to help users get unique and useful information without obtrusive advertising.


Acceptable
Websites whose main purpose is to provide useful, unique, and relevant content that's focused on users, with ads as a secondary purpose



taken from:
Arbitrage - AdWords Help

[glide21]

[quote=Fking;4372262]

Originally Posted by glide21

hehe, did you at least read the link i provided? :>

Yes mate and it saddens me that people follow Google like blind bats. Google as we all know is the judge, jury and executioner, and is a pygmy when it comes to moral authority.

And now here is how you can lower your FB CPC and up your CTR:

1. Create a fan page and using "Static HTML: iframe tabs" app create your own tab/tabs using HTML.
2. Populate the tabs with useful information and add hyperlinks to CPA (mask) offers. You can use CB though I don't, unless I know the author.
3. Create an FB ad pointing to the fan page tab and use a quirky (but highly related) picture for the ad. You have a better approval chance for a fan page. Also you get the social reach which is a strong factor.
4. Bid CPM to start with, get your average CPC and then change to CPC.
5. Once you have (I think) 25 fans you can have your own page name like
6. Trade Conscious - Online day trading resources and Tips - Recommended Forex Systems | Facebook

No WSO , no baloney, free to you mate, just for being nice to me.

"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought" Basho

[Fking]

[quote=glide21;4372501]

Originally Posted by Fking

Yes mate and it saddens me that people follow Google like blind bats. Google as we all know is the judge, jury and executioner, and is a pygmy when it comes to moral authority.

Well who else we can follow on matters related to Google Policy other than Google. And that as you can see is their official position on arbitrage, and that is considered arbitrage for them, regardless it matches the wikipedia definition or not.

Thanks for the valuable knowledge you share in your last post, i'm gonna use it for sure!

[Kay King]

It would be pure nonsense if google banned anyone with adsense on their site, trying to jump start it with adwords advertisement. Why would they shoot theirselfes in the foot?

They did ban accounts for exactly that.

The OP asked "I did this 5 years ago - why am I not doing it now". Perhaps because in 2007 and 2008 - many adsense publishers lost their accounts. They were not "banned" for doing something wrong - the accounts were closed because google decided using adwords to get adsense money was not the way to go. The publishers were paid funds in their accounts - but they were out. A typical post from that period of time is below (from 2007) -

Numerous AdSense publishers have been receiving emails from Google the past couple of days stating that their use of their AdSense account is an unsuitable business model and that accounts would be disabled as of June 1st, giving publishers about two weeks notice to prepare for the loss of the AdSense accounts… and since it seems that arbitrage publishers are the ones receiving this account disabled email, to give those publisher enough time to shut down accounts or use an alternative source for their outgoing traffic.

The reason people are pointing out potential problems with this idea is that others will rush out and do it - using adwords to point to adsense accounts. Then they are back here with no adsense account saying "google banned me".

Before you risk YOUR adsense account on what sounds like easy money - do the research! The OP was giving specific instances of adwords to adsense arbitrage - if you are using adwords to promote CB, I'd just call that 'advertising'.

kay

[RayW]

Haha

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Kay King

They did ban accounts for exactly that.

The OP asked "I did this 5 years ago - why am I not doing it now". Perhaps because in 2007 and 2008 - many adsense publishers lost their accounts. They were not "banned" for doing something wrong - the accounts were closed because google decided using adwords to get adsense money was not the way to go. The publishers were paid funds in their accounts - but they were out. A typical post from that period of time is below (from 2007) -



The reason people are pointing out potential problems with this idea is that others will rush out and do it - using adwords to point to adsense accounts. Then they are back here with no adsense account saying "google banned me".

Before you risk YOUR adsense account on what sounds like easy money - do the research! The OP was giving specific instances of adwords to adsense arbitrage - if you are using adwords to promote CB, I'd just call that 'advertising'.

kay

as i said, not ANYONE with adsense on their site buying adworsd traffic but people with sites considered MFA buying adwords traffic

both cases are clearly explained on the link i posted BY THEM directly, why you just don't read it and stop speculating

[Kay King]

I read what you posted - but I also read the OP's posts. Those clearly advocated using adwords arbitrage to increase CTR of adsense.

Acceptable
Websites whose main purpose is to provide useful, unique, and relevant content that's focused on users, with ads as a secondary purpose

And who decides whether the site provides such content? Google, of course.

I don't care if people to do this - nothing to me. I do know after many years of using adsense that anything you do directly related to "getting people to click" - may put your account at risk.

kay

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I read what you posted - but I also read the OP's posts. Those clearly advocated using adwords arbitrage to increase CTR of adsense.



And who decides whether the site provides such content? Google, of course.

I don't care if people to do this - nothing to me. I do know after many years of using adsense that anything you do directly related to "getting people to click" - may put your account at risk.

kay

you just send traffic to your site, site with valuable information
% of those will click the ads, thats unavoidable (and why you should avoid it :> )
that's not considered encouraging them to click

they are giving examples of 2 different layouts there, one considered MFA and 1 not
From what i understand the OP's site is just like the acceptable example, with not intrusive ads

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I read what you posted - but I also read the OP's posts. Those clearly advocated using adwords arbitrage to increase CTR of adsense.
kay

Sorry, but you are misinterpreting me here! I never said or advocated the use of Adwords, in fact I stated clearly and am gonna repeat it here, DO NOT USE Adwords to get traffic to your adsense site, use Facebook traffic and other sources because it's nearly impossible to make money using adwords and this system

[timpears]

Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber

However, it does reference the Adsense Program Policies which is what you should actually be paying attention to: https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...y?answer=48182

Scroll down to Traffic Sources and click on "Learn More" right below it. There you find the section that is relevant to this discussion. It says:

My reading of that tells me that PPC of any kind is prohibited. No ifs, ands or butts. Damn, wonder why they do that.

[dagaul101]

Nice tip, if you can find the traffic cheaply there are some reasonable profits to be made

[glide21]

Here are the results from an FB ad I placed yesterday, started off CPM and is now CPC, note that I got 207 new likes from the campaign for $10.56 with CPC now at $0.05, CTR 0.190%. The fan page is here and is ugly, yikes.

[Fking]

That's impressive glide21
Would you mind showing us the ad and your targeting selections?