Private Blog Network

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that caters to both sides.

I imagine the high pr blog service we create is going to rock as much as our main threads are. So it will create another stream of income for us. The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.

I learned something from this thread on how to make more money in my business. Guess what? I learned it from the Mikes.

They stirred the pot sufficiently enough to let me know their is another huge market segment I haven't been touching.

But I assure you gentlemen, the Borg are coming.

Enjoy, I don't plan on targeting this market for my network.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

It proves that we've convinced him there's more value in my type of network. It also proves how he lied, seeing as if he had tested both methods, he wouldn't be reverting back to it now at such a large scale.

It's a pretty linear argument that's not difficult to follow.

I don't think that follows Mike.

Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. We are running a business, if we can get similar results using low PR sites we will do it. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.

[Fraggler]

Originally Posted by MrDack

Myself and 2 colleagues are looking into the possibilty of building our own private network blog for backlinking purposes. We currently use services like FreeTGen and 1Waylinks but long term plan is to build our own network.

Initial plan of action is to purchase aged domains through godaddy and host them using multi c class ip hosting such as cclassiphosting.com.

It's a long term plan with significant upfront/monthly costs but we feel long term, it will proove to be a good investment.

We'll be starting with 30 domains (at least 10 will be aged) and build from there.

Does anyone have any goodbad experiences in setting up their own network and/or any solid advice they can offer pls?

MrDack,

I gave up reading after page 3 or 4 but if you ar elooking ot grab aged domains to create your own network then I recommend using a service such as domainface.com to search for the domains. You want to look on services other than GoDaddy if you want to find the real quality ones. Learn how the auctions work on Snapnames and Namejet as there are bargains to be had. Godaddy is best for PR3 and lower but everything else is usually cheaper on Namejet and Snapnames.

You will need to find a way to streamline the 'due dilligence'. Find a tool to do the backlink analysis in bulk. You want to make sure the backlinks are still live and also still a high pr. If a site being sold loses its high PR backlinks then the domain will drop PR eventually. Scrapebox is a very good tool for bulk PR and backlink checker...use it and Excel macros to find only the best domains.

Be preapred for some of your purchases to become duds - but keep them in your network and keep working them back to their form glory.

I do run a budget service and they give my clients great results. There is no reason it won't do the same for you.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog network because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that allows us to cater to both sides.

So you will offer a network that you claimed you tested and does not work because it might make you some cash? I love it. either way it proves our point

The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.

the fact that you seem to think Warriors are so stupid they won;t see you back pedalled on your earlier statement goes to precisely why no one should take much stock in your testimonials

I learned something from this thread on how to make more money in my business. Guess what? I learned it from the Mikes.

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LOL. I'll take it . just remember we might hav taught you everything you know about SEO but we didn't teach you everything we know. Even when I was a newb I didn't get caught buying a PR 5 with one link. LOL. and of course I wouldn't have tried to pass it off as a legitimate test as you did only days ago.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

I don't think that follows Mike.

Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.

If it is just us four posting I motion that this thread be closed by a mod. I just proved your attack against us was personal.

First our clients were called idiots. Then they only ranked easy keywords. Then only for ranks #8 - #10. Then we lied about our testimonials. Now I'm a liar because I'm expanding my business to prove I can grab page one rankings with any system we use.

I contribute to this forum by helping Warriors when I can. I also help it by providing a service to a very large number of Warriors that they are absolutely in love with it minus a few of the more impatient ones.

The only thing I see being contributed by our attackers on this thread has been attack after attack.

If we defend ourselves it makes us look combative. If we don't then we look like scammers because that is what we were accused of. If we let it go unanswered then we are guilty as evidenced by our silence. If we defend ourselves we are guilty in their eyes by our combativeness.

Are we the only ones catching on to these sort of bush league tactics?

Edit:

/ thread (For real this time)....Anyone needing help can look me up. Anyone wanting to bash us can go for it. I'm tired and heading to bed so I'm taking my ball and leaving. Just because I rock doesn't mean I'm made of stone. (Line from a great flick by the way).

Now if you don't mind I have a beautiful wife who had her hair done today that I am going to go look up to see if I can cure that headache she came down with tonight. It seems a certain someone was supposed to watch a chick flick with her tonight but he never came down from his office because he was dinking around on this thread. Talk about a **** heel. Magic headache taking away fingers to the rescue! Out.

[Dan B Rusu]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

It's not just about posting mass links on pr 0's. It's what you do with the links once they're posted that counts for just as much. So testing our system against any other would be unfair as it would be incomplete if we were not allowed to complete the other steps that make up our system. That's why I think it is humorous that so many attack our system the way they do when they really have no idea at all what we have brewing in our seo labs.

Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up.

So we reinforce the hell out of the links we submit.

Hey Matt,

Big fan of your service. We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "It's what you do with the links once they're posted". What exactly do you do to the links after posting?

Also about the comment "Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up." Are you saying that you have 3 networks, 2 of which work just to pass linkjuice to the blogs in the network above them?

Thanks!

[MisterMunch]

There are tons of free blog pages with high PR.

If you want to build your own high pr blog network you can start building blogs on these different pages. This will make it easier to build page rank as the blogs on these pages often are interlinked.

Make sure you invest your time into building quality content on all these sites, build links to these and make connections (followers). You also need to do your due dilligence to make sure the blog pages do not quit after a few years.

Maybe 50 % aged domains that you own, and 50 % on blogs on different websites (blogger, posterous etc.)

[mitoshthewarrior]

It is disappointing such a great thread is being wasted pissing on each other.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

It is disappointing such a great thread is being wasted pissing on each other.

I don't see it is entirely about that - there is quite an important issue at stake: if you are building a blog network do you go for a high volume of low-quality links or a lower volume of higher-PR links? It inevitably gets personal because people's businesses are built around these differing models so they are protective of them, but I still think that a lot can be learned from this discussion, you just have to read between the lines (of crossfire).

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by markowe

I don't see it is entirely about that - there is quite an important issue at stake: if you are building a blog network do you go for a high volume of low-quality links or a lower volume of higher-PR links? It inevitably gets personal because people's businesses are built around these differing models so they are protective of them, but I still think that a lot can be learned from this discussion, you just have to read between the lines (of crossfire).

There is no one way to do SEO, I think we all know that. It is obvious no one is going to convince the other that their method is better. It just seems to be a waste of so much energy, talent, and sharing to spend going back and forth at each other.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Fraggler

MrDack,

I gave up reading after page 3 or 4 but if you ar elooking ot grab aged domains to create your own network then I recommend using a service such as domainface.com to search for the domains. You want to look on services other than GoDaddy if you want to find the real quality ones. Learn how the auctions work on Snapnames and Namejet as there are bargains to be had. Godaddy is best for PR3 and lower but everything else is usually cheaper on Namejet and Snapnames.

You will need to find a way to streamline the 'due dilligence'. Find a tool to do the backlink analysis in bulk. You want to make sure the backlinks are still live and also still a high pr. If a site being sold loses its high PR backlinks then the domain will drop PR eventually. Scrapebox is a very good tool for bulk PR and backlink checker...use it and Excel macros to find only the best domains.

Be preapred for some of your purchases to become duds - but keep them in your network and keep working them back to their form glory.

I do run a budget service and they give my clients great results. There is no reason it won't do the same for you.

I can vouch for Fraggler's service. I've used it. Great service. Great price. Love it.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!

See, this is where a lot of the argument starts. You say that SEO Seattle is competitive. I would say that on a scale of 1-10 in difficulty with 10 being the most difficult, that SEO Seattle is about a 2 or a 3. I do not see it as competitive at all.

It's a difference of opinion in what is competitive, but there are not many "local" terms that I would consider even remotely difficult to rank for.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Mainly I decided to build a high pr blog network because I can see so many Warriors are divided on this issue. So why wouldn't I create a service that allows us to cater to both sides.

I imagine the high pr blog service we create is going to rock as much as our main threads are. So it will create another stream of income for us. The fact that I have to explain that is sort of embarrassing.

Ok, I'm really confused as I think about this. I've tried to stay on topic as much as possible, but I can't now...

Early on in this thread you said that you tried the high PR network and it was far less effective than your PR 0 .info network.

But now you are going to create a high PR network to sell to people so that you "can cater to both sides" as you put it. And in one of your posts you said this would be a "premium" product you would offer. To me, premium means higher quality and, of course, a higher price.

So, what it looks like to me is that you never really tried the high PR route (yet you argue against it constantly based on what you claim to be your own testing), or you did test it and are willingly going to sell an inferior product, yet at an inflated price over your other service, to people just because you can make a buck off of it.

Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mitoshthewarrior

It just seems to be a waste of so much energy, talent, and sharing to spend going back and forth at each other.

Energy and talent will do no one any good with bad information just before they go out and spend hard cash. Its a huge deal which kind of network you are going to build. You are going to spend money either way and you are going to have to invest alot of time setting it up.

When there are two different opinions on which one to use then its also a huge deal when one side makes claims that turn out to be gross misrepresentations. I don't know why you read threads like this but some read them to actually know the truth about what to do and how to run their business. credibility matters and its really bad on everyone when someone states to newbies trying to learn that they have tested a thing would never buy y always buy x regardless of the money at hand and then two days later claims they will now buy the same Y they said they would never buy and had tested doesn't work. Its even worse when they tell told newbies to disregard the other side (conventional SEO) entirely.

trashing out what the truth is and who is telling it is never a waste of time in such discussions no matter how much you complain it is. Not unless you expect the same people giving out information for free to not care about the people they are giving it to.

In essence you are constantly complaining because some of the people who are teaching you give a rip about people not being misled and wasting their money and time. As far as I can tell in this thread the only thing you have said is that you have used some one's service not built a network. Consider the possibility that you don't understand the importance of the issues if you never have.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.

Its not you. There is no other logical way to take it. A few days ago the statement were emphatic ="even with $50,000 a month we would only buy .infos" because their testing showed High PRs did not work. Now its a new premium service they will be offering. Either they knew they didn't really test what they claimed or they are willing to sell what they tested and confirmed doesn't work.

Its not even physically possible to have tested it in the last few days. it just proves the ability and the intent to blow smoke and should make anyone now KNOW that PR networks despite what has been claimed incessantly by them not only work - they are premium as they have now confirmed by their flip flop.

unfortunately (for them) you can't just go out and buy 500 Pr4s as is naively assumed. its a bidding process that if you get into a bidding war could cost you much closer to half a million dollars and still would take you months or even upward of a year or more to get.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I can vouch for Fraggler's service. I've used it. Great service. Great price. Love it.

Yep. troy runs one of the tightest High PR networks I have seen at any price and yet his is one of the most affordable

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

unfortunately (for them) you can't just go out and buy 500 Pr4s as is naively assumed. its a bidding process that if you get into a bidding war could cost you much closer to half a million dollars and still would take you months or even upward of a year or more to get.

Are you kidding? First I have noted that by your denial to provide evidence to back up your assertions that we don't rank for competitive keywords for our clients as an admission that you were talking out of your rear end. Our clients would have to be brain dead if this was the case to keep coming back again and again.

You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is obvious. You have made baseless assertions against the quality of our service and for that, in my opinion, there should be some mod action. Please defend your baseless assertions Mike. We provide an honest service that hundreds if not thousands of clients have found value in.

Also the idea that we don't know what it takes to buy aged domains and that we "naively" think we can just go out and buy them all today is absurd. Would you say that if someone announces that they are going to lose 40 pounds that they are being naive? No, it's a goal that will only can only be achieved over time.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Ok, I'm really confused as I think about this. I've tried to stay on topic as much as possible, but I can't now...

Early on in this thread you said that you tried the high PR network and it was far less effective than your PR 0 .info network.

But now you are going to create a high PR network to sell to people so that you "can cater to both sides" as you put it. And in one of your posts you said this would be a "premium" product you would offer. To me, premium means higher quality and, of course, a higher price.

So, what it looks like to me is that you never really tried the high PR route (yet you argue against it constantly based on what you claim to be your own testing), or you did test it and are willingly going to sell an inferior product, yet at an inflated price over your other service, to people just because you can make a buck off of it.

Maybe it is just the cynic in me seeing that and nobody else sees it that way.

I'm really not trying to turn this into an attack and trying to keep it an open discussion, but you seem to really be backpedaling on the issue and contradicting yourself.

Like I said I am done with the thread as it has deteriorated into something I do not want a part of. But I will take the time to answer your passive aggressive post against us.

I said we tested the high pr blog approach out but the process was painstakingly slow. I wanted a system that could really punch the juice out in significant numbers mainly because I do have every intention of becoming the Wall Mart of SEO. I think services should be affordable for the average Joe's. It's a business model that has worked very well for us.

I explained it already. I saw that a large number of people are also interested in high pr blogs. So I'm going to offer them what they want. And I guarantee you I'll do a bang up job with it too.

It will be a separate service apart from what I am already doing.

My plan has been all along to start with the low pr sites because it is scalable. The main attack against my service is that one link from a pr 5 site is worth far more than a single link on a pr 0 site. I started with this system because it allowed us to put multiple sites up with very little work.

In fact I will also let the cat out of the bag regarding a little something. I knew I could not mass produce the links I needed with a high pr blog network. The process just takes too long to facilitate mass links. Because of this I went with a system that produced mass testimonials. Why so? Because in a forum setting the vendor with the most testimonials usually wins the cash.

Now that we have the testimonials and a huge budget to match them we're ready to expand into the high pr blog network.

The fact that I have to explain this pretty much tells me I need to quit hanging around in this forum. You guys do know how to sell product don't you? You do know about how to expand a business right?

All along I have not been married to any one system of backlinking. I just chose the approach that worked the fastest.

In fact I have said all along that all links produce link juice in some way or another.

But this isn't a contest to see who can grow the largest tomato. It's a contest who can build the largest seo empire. When the world's economy takes nose dive there will be floods of people flooding this forum looking for help on how to feed their families. When that happens the group with the most services, the most testimonials, the largest threads are going to win.

I prefer to spend my time working on our system to have it ready for that day. I prefer it much more to sitting here on this thread playing king of the hill.

So debaters go ahead and debate.

Attackers go ahead and attack.

We'll be in the background building, building, building.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

Hey Matt,

Big fan of your service. We've ran over 15 campaigns with your guarantee 1st page service and half of them are on the 1st page for competitive keywords already (including SEO Seattle)!

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "It's what you do with the links once they're posted". What exactly do you do to the links after posting?

Also about the comment "Imagine networks created to back up other networks. Then a third network backing up them both up." Are you saying that you have 3 networks, 2 of which work just to pass linkjuice to the blogs in the network above them?

Thanks!

That would be our secret sauce. Sorry I cannot share the secret ingredients to it.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is obvious. You have made baseless assertions against the quality of our service and for that, in my opinion, there should be some mod action. Please defend your baseless assertions Mike.

Marc I think that about sums up your whole purpose in this thread because you plain as day have added nothing else to it yourself. You want to recharacterize what I said in some hope it will get my posts deleted and me banned because you don't like the points that have been legitimately raised in this thread and admittedly or not hate how the evidence from your own quotes PROVES the point all the Regular SEOs in this section have made.

I don't have to defend any baseless accusations. I didn't make any. I noted that I did not find many of your keywords very competitive and said that I have never seen a serp that was very competitive ranking with PR N/a. your side has repeatedly refused to show one ANYWHERE though you don't have to show your own. I then told you POINT BLANK how I had seen the terms you claimed I never could have by looking at a URL Matt participated on that was pitching his service. Further I have clarified now multiple times including posting a straight out quote of mine that I did not claim that any particular thread had made up testimonials but list that with a whole pile of other things that did not make testimonials in general the end of a SEO matter.

Now in fairness I can see why you might have initially claimed that proximity of talking about Matt and then listing all the reasons why testimonials in general are unreliable meant something it didn't but this is my FOURTH TIME indicating to you that there was no such intention and again a direct quote of mine stating that was not the intention.

So at this point the only baseless accusation is your own. As for the whole "we never said what we really said we were always going to build a High PR network that we were saying all along didn't work" nonsense. Hey whoever buys that is going to buy it and will buy that unicorns exist and drive number one rankings if you can get enough of them if you say so. Its pretty solid when your own posts make a point you can't claim you didn't . Call that an accusation too but next time don't make statements that lead people astray and then totally contradict yourself later. Save us all the time.

[Marc_L]

Let me clear up some false assumptions here.

A higher PR is always preferable but it's much more time and cost consuming to build this type of network. If you can get similar results with less effort and at a more cost effective price point then we do that. We then pass that savings on to our clients who are in the vast majority of cases, extremely happy.

Our clients get the results they want to keywords they want and at a price point they like.

[Dan B Rusu]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

That would be our secret sauce. Sorry I cannot share the secret ingredients to it.

Oh bummer. Are you willing to answer these questions:

- What do you do to get the backlink pages indexed.
- What system do you use to automate your huge blog network. Do you use AMR? With your system are you able to schedule drips to the blog network?

Thanks

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Let me clear up some false assumptions here.

A higher PR is always preferable but it's much more time and cost consuming to build this type of network. If you can get similar results with less effort and at a more cost effective price point then we do that. We then pass that savings on to our clients who are in the vast majority of cases, extremely happy.

Our clients get the results they want to keywords they want and at a price point they like.

Yeah, what he said.

The reason everyone is so heated is because all our systems work very well for us. SEO isn't brain surgery. It's about getting links from other sites connecting to your site.

So let's quit strutting around like we're a bunch of rocket scientists.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

Oh bummer. Are you willing to answer these questions:

- What do you do to get the backlink pages indexed.
- What system do you use to automate your huge blog network. Do you use AMR? With your system are you able to schedule drips to the blog network?

Thanks

We do regular backlinking of the backlinks that we submit. We put huge amounts of juice into this because it allows us to really open up our link output without directly jeopardizing our clients sites. Plus it keeps the link profile hidden beneath the surface.

So what we do on that level is absolutely massive and for the most part completely invisible.

Which is one ingredient of our sauce.

So another thought I had about the high pr network would be to place one original article with a contextual anchor text backlink embedded in it. Then post that same article as syndicated content to 30% of the rest of the blogs in the high pr network. Then unleash holy hell with our current system backlinking those blogs. Sort of a hybrid of the two systems. We have already shown the ability to be able to produce massive link juice on a daily basis using our system. Others have had success using the high pr approach.

What if the two were combined? It would be completely spam free and one mother of a link juice system.

[Dan B Rusu]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We do regular backlinking of the backlinks that we submit. We put huge amounts of juice into this because it allows us to really open up our link output without directly jeopardizing our clients sites. Plus it keeps the link profile hidden beneath the surface.

So what we do on that level is absolutely massive and for the most part completely invisible.

Which is one ingredient of our sauce.

So another thought I had about the high pr network would be to place one original article with a contextual anchor text backlink embedded in it. Then post that same article as syndicated content to 30% of the rest of the blogs in the high pr network. Then unleash holy hell with our current system backlinking those blogs. Sort of a hybrid of the two systems. We have already shown the ability to be able to produce massive link juice on a daily basis using our system. Others have had success using the high pr approach.

What if the two were combined? It would be completely spam free and one mother of a link juice system.

I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Yeah, what he said.

The reason everyone is so heated is because all our systems work very well for us. SEO isn't brain surgery. It's about getting links from other sites connecting to your site.

So let's quit strutting around like we're a bunch of rocket scientists.

If you think that's all SEO is, then enjoy being the "Walmart of SEO". Walmart isn't known for quality, but for price.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?

That's how high quality his links are

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

I don't think that follows Mike.

Number one saying that we are buying aged domains is not saying it's a more cost effective method for SEO. We are running a business, if we can get similar results using low PR sites we will do it. Personally I think having PR definitely helps BUT I also think it's overblown a bit. Again we've ranked competitive keywords using our lower PR network plus the special sauce. This doesn't prove anything. Of course I'd prefer higher PR but it isn't essential to get good results.

Number two, large scale may mean something entirely different for you than it does for us. So that doesn't really prove anything either.

Your brother claims to have 3000 blogs. That means, on a complete whim of what's transpired in this thread, you just purchased 17% of your current network within 1 day. That's large scale.

Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Again our experience has shown otherwise.

[MikeFriedman]

Okay, so now that we all agree that a high PR network is much more effective for getting #1 rankings in competitive SERPs, and the PR 0 .info model is efficient for offering "page one rankings" to the masses in low competition SERPs, while making the most profit for yourself... on to other things.

Troy mentioned Snapnames, and I do use them. Anyone have any other methods for finding high PR domains? I tried Register Compass in the past, but found it kind of slow and buggy. Maybe it has improved since then.

Any other good products or methods being used to acquire high PR domains rather than build them?

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?

Yahoo Site Explorer is no longer valid as it is being phased out. I guess you'll just have to take our word for it that we do what we say we're doing. We use a variety of software to post to our blog. AMR and Link Farm are a couple of them.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Your brother claims to have 3000 blogs. That means, on a complete whim of what's transpired in this thread, you just purchased 17% of your current network within 1 day. That's large scale.

As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.

Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.

On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.

On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.

If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.

I'd be willing to bet that we have more testimonials than every single naysayer who has attacked our services on this thread...combined.

I said it. Warriors know it.

Get to counting Mike. Or should I do the counting for you?

Edit: I counted 7 testimonials on your wso thread Mike Grant. We have had more than that come in today alone. Care to explain that? I thought your system rocked?

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Okay, so now that we all agree that a high PR network is much more effective for getting #1 rankings in competitive SERPs, and the PR 0 .info model is efficient for offering "page one rankings" to the masses in low competition SERPs, while making the most profit for yourself... on to other things.

I guess I don't agree with this characterization. I know the keywords we rank for and that other Mike has no idea. Just because he saw a few that were low comp doesn't mean that he has the complete picture.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

If you think that's all SEO is, then enjoy being the "Walmart of SEO". Walmart isn't known for quality, but for price.

And high sales number, can't leave that out.

[Digital Traffic]

Any answers to this question?

Originally Posted by Digital Traffic

How about transfering these domains another registrar, then adding privacy, or simply adding privacy at this point?

These domains have not been used to date.

Thank you

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.

I'd be willing to bet that we have more testimonials than every single naysayer who has attacked our services on this thread...combined.

I said it. Warriors know it.

Get to counting Mike. Or should I do the counting for you?

I don't offer my network to the public. Anyone who offers a 3100+ high PR network to the public masses is an idiot. BMR included.

Again, I'm trying to put my network up against yours. You're the one running with your tail between your legs.

Testimonials don't mean **** when it comes to SEO. Why are you scared to prove it in the SERPs? Hell, we can go after a highly profitable niche to make it worthwhile.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

As has been pointed out there has been no purchases made, it's sort of a goal. We couldn't purchase them within a day.

On a link by link basis PR is preferable over no PR. I'm not sure if Matt has stated otherwise. But when you need to scale the low PR model is a much better option at least for us, why? Because it gets the results that our clients want and we can offer the service at a price that they are willing to pay.

He has stated otherwise, which is a very large reason as to why this thread blew up and went the route it did. He said to ignore conventional SEOs and that quantity > quality, and also that a PR N/A link is just as good as a high PR link. He also said he has tested this.

I understand he's your brother and business partner, but you're blindly defending him without knowing what he is saying and it makes you and your business look bad. It'd benefit him and your business if you set him straight.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

Hi Daniel theres no mystery way to hide backlinks as Matt is implying. the only thing that can throw anyone off are redirects. So there are only three choices.

A) it isn't being backlinked
B) a redirect is being used
C) the nature of the links is such that Yahoo doesn't care for them.

and yes in adition to all that no backlink checker reports everything. I don't know if its a coincidence but every since I heard they were closing down I have found them a little slow in picking up links

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Besides, you and your brother should get on the same page. He's made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that your PR N/A links are as valuable as a high PR link. Afterall, your experience and testing has shown this.

Yeah they might as well admit it and then the issue would go away. We are hearing all kinds of excuses now but it doesn't change what was clearly said before point blank- they tested high PR domains with $5,000 worth of purchase and their test results indicate that they didn't work would and even with $50,000 they woud buy nothing buy PR N/A. two days later "wallah" now thy will.

anyway Since there is no juice from a a pr n/a my guess would be the "secret sauce" (which does not exist in SEO) is a PR network that they oops just forgot to mention before. Why? we know full well theres no juice running an N/a to an N/a page.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and yes in adition to all that no backlink checker reports everything. I don't know if its a coincidence but every since I heard they were closing down I have found them a little slow in picking up links

You aren't the only one seeing this. YSE has just about become useless. Older campaigns have our links in them but the newer ones just don't pick them up in YSE when we know for a fact that they are indexed.

[mitoshthewarrior]

Originally Posted by Daniel7rusu

I ran 5 of the backlink pages you've built for one of my campaigns with you in Yahoo site explorer, and it's requiring no backlinks to the page. Not only that, but running just the root domains (with www and without www) through Yahoo SE also returns 0 backlinks. How can this be if you're backlinking the blogs in your network?

Again, can you share the software you personally use to automate drip feeding to your blog network?

You will likely have more luck using Majestic SEO's Fresh Index. Yahoo Site Explorer is on the way out.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

If Mike Grant's system is so hot then why is his wso so weak in the testimonial department? It would seem if his system was as bad ass as he says it is he'd have more than he does. But as it stands we're the vendor with the most testimonials.

You back to that junk again after just stating that we should lower the testerone and that SEo is not rocket science and we all have networks that work? That didn't last long did it? Sheesh everything in this thread screams how you like to posture instead of talk real SEO. A year ago people were buying xrummer and proclaiming the were SEO experts. Now they sell .info NAs with spun content. Wheres the big difference? they made up things as they went along claiming they tested things they never did as well. Ho hum

Edit: I counted 7 testimonials on your wso thread Mike Grant. We have had more than that come in today alone. Care to explain that? I thought your system rocked?

Don't be silly Matt. You come in at under a hundred dollars for a reason. No service at WF is going to get as much customers at around $300 per pop. Like has been said - its the walmart low price effect.

Here go tell it to these guys - they have no testimonials here.

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. i have no doubt that you could convince some people you are better than them as well because they don't have your WF testimonials. ROFL.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

I don't offer my network to the public. Anyone who offers a 3100+ high PR network to the public masses is an idiot. BMR included.

Well listen to be fair if you are a service provider and thats your model then hey... but I get your drift. I mean its real easy to unravel the location of an entire network (or most of it) when you have a low price mass use business model. I don't think they really understand basic SEo stuff or Marc wouldn't continue to claim I don't know what I am talking about. As you know its really easy. Find A customer that uses the service (in my case One was posted for us to follow) . do a backlink search. see all the links on those pages and do backlink checkers on those etc etc.

You get to see what people are going for by keywords easily while they claim they keep it private and we can't know what the terms are . Its all so SEO 101 but it escapes some I guess.

when it comes to SEO. Why are you scared to prove it in the SERPs?

its not fear. Its inability to do so.

[Marc_L]

Mike, the issue that you have no idea about which you talk is our overall clients keyword level of competitiveness. What you saw may or may not have been our sites OR what you saw was such a low sample of our clients keywords that it is statistically irrelevant. Do you have any idea how many keywords we work with? Do you have more than anecdotal evidence? Both of these questions are answered, no. This is why your assessment is nothing more than talking out of your rear end.

You also have no idea what keywords we succussfully bring to the first page. These are just facts and you are making broad generalizations in an effort, I'm not sure really. I'd like you to support your bald assertions, that's it until you do you nobody should take your charges seriously.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

This is why your assessment is nothing more than talking out of your rear end.

Marc thinking that other people do what is common to you in psychology is known as projection and nothing shows that tendency than saying you would only buy PR n/As one day because of testing and two days later claiming the completely opposite . Like it or not I have seen your network . It hardly matters that you can't figure out how linking to the same sites from multiple domains makes it easy to see huge swaths of such networks. Want a lesson on how to use a backlink checker? I can post one to help you out.

We all know that Warriors has a high concentration of people who do MFAs, affiliate pages and a lot (no not all) long tail stuff. Its no secret, so a high degree of customers here are some weak stuff but you want to pretend like you and your .info got no authority PR net is better than everyone else because you charge $99 and cater to a generally less demanding crowd. My lowest paying client pays $1,000 a month (and only because of special circumstances). Want to claim that you could sell your services for that kind of cash ( I mean up front price not the old bait and switch) and get as many customers here. go ahead. You'll show you know about as much about understanding a low pay market as you've proven you know about SEO. Oh and yo tell Matt I'll teach him about LSI too if he needs it. You don't need five keywords to do LSI like he implied. More bunk.

So sorry. I can back up anything I say in the serps? Can you? No. Otherwise you would nave done so by now. You don't want to show a truly top competitive term ranking number one with only .info N/As because you CAN'T - PERIOD it will turn out to be nowhere near as competitive as you claim and you know it.

NO real seo cares what you take seriously. Not now especially. You were caught red handed with your own quotes from Matt misleading people that you had tested and proven that PR networks were so weak in your testing you would only buy .info N/as.

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Last year we purchased over $5000 worth of aged domains via auctions at Godaddy. All of which had verified pr's of 3 - 5. We set them up on the network and were hugely disappointed with the juice they generated. So even with having a budget of over $50k a month every month to play with we still register only .info's.

If high pr blogs were more beneficial we'd still have them in the mix.

tell me again where you are talking from now?

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

-more blathering-

I outlined my entire issue and you go on about something else which shows me and it should show anybody else that you are talking out of your rear when it comes to our client's keywords. I know how backlink checkers work, I also know that clients often use more than our services on their sites whether.

You do not know our clients KWs, you do not know the KWs we have ranked, you do not know our network. Yet you keep making comments about them which to me is very dishonest. We don't disclose our clients information for obvious reasons.

[Mike Anthony]

Oh and one other thing. Quit with the fake calculations and the fake bravado numbers if you cant keep your story straight. One post it would take you till the end of the year to build out from 3,000 - 10,000 next minute you are claiming that you can setup 5,000 new ones in five days. I mean you obviously have a few clients that will believe any garbage you tell them but think of the kids. I mean what are they going to think when they see two grown ups (I'm assuming) that can't add or keep their numbers straight?

Originally Posted by Marc_L

I know how backlink checkers work, I also know that clients often use more than our services on their sites whether.

thats the beauty of your system. A whole lot of .info zeros are easy to see and differentiate which by the way is why you wouldn't last a day doing SEO for established companies. You'd get your network reported in no time.

We don't disclose our clients information for obvious reasons.

Wasn't asking you to. never have. You could (but of course we know you can't) show a truly competitive serp ranking with N/A and zero links that isn't your own. links I saw were out there to be seen. You are on the net . links are not confidential laddie. I really do need to give you that backlink checker class.

which to me is very dishonest.

don't even try to breath accusations about dishonesty in a thread where you put out totally bogus tests . made totally bogus statements and then did a back pedal to High PR domains you were putting down all thread long because you figured on reflection there was a buck in it for you. I could make all kinds of charges of dishonesty on that. You don't hold any moral authority given the facts .

[hukumat]

Maintaining a highest quality blog network is really important especially now... and its a hack lot difficult work to do..

[Paul Myers]

This has degenerated into a whole lot of nastiness and no new useful info. Y'all're worse than the copywriting crowd.

Say good night, Gracie.