Private Blog Network

[MrDack]

Myself and 2 colleagues are looking into the possibilty of building our own private network blog for backlinking purposes. We currently use services like FreeTGen and 1Waylinks but long term plan is to build our own network.

Initial plan of action is to purchase aged domains through godaddy and host them using multi c class ip hosting such as cclassiphosting.com.

It's a long term plan with significant upfront/monthly costs but we feel long term, it will proove to be a good investment.

We'll be starting with 30 domains (at least 10 will be aged) and build from there.

Does anyone have any good\bad experiences in setting up their own network and/or any solid advice they can offer pls?

[ok123]

I typed a really long response but after re reading your post, it seems like you are going to have this for your personal use..

Instead of multi c class hosting from 1 provider, why not have cheap share hosting or free hosting from different providers..

[sbucciarel]

Matt LaClear of the WF does this and has a very lucrative business from it. I'm one of his happy customers.

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by ok123

I typed a really long response but after re reading your post, it seems like you are going to have this for your personal use..

Instead of multi c class hosting from 1 provider, why not have cheap share hosting or free hosting from different providers..

Yes, personal use.

Shared hosting will have same IP address for each account, we need multi c for ip diversity. In practice, we'd be building using different providers, not all with the same one.

Want to steer away from free hosting, that leaves us vunerable. It will cost us time and money to build these sites and free hosting is a risk.

[thebitbotdotcom]

I am having great success with one particular version of it...there are a handful of ways and flavors...

Just FYI...private networks are to natural links what list building is to organic SEO...in engineering terms...

article directory marketing = 1
article marketing via guest blog posting = x
private networking = x^n

[Nathy Curiel]

Mr Dack , I want to wish good luck with it. Because if you succeed you make a loooot of money !

[SoundsGood]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Matt LaClear of the WF does this and has a very lucrative business from it. I'm one of his happy customers.

Got a link? I'm looking for something like this from a legit source.

Thanks!

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by SoundsGood

Got a link? I'm looking for something like this from a legit source.

Thanks!

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...than-rest.html

[mattlaclear]

For certain you should go forward with your plan to set up your own network. We started with 200 .info sites over a year ago and have never looked back. Right now we are close to the 4000 blog mark. I have plans of growing that to over 10k by the end of the year.

But even starting with under 50 sites you should see significant juice generated from your efforts.

[dripable]

I have used many services many of these contextual services that offer private high PR networks and they work great for ranking/serp movement.

I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

Wish you the best of luck!

[SoundsGood]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...than-rest.html

Thank you !

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom

Just FYI...private networks are to natural links what list building is to organic SEO...in engineering terms...

Totally agree.

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

For certain you should go forward with your plan to set up your own network. We started with 200 .info sites over a year ago and have never looked back. Right now we are close to the 4000 blog mark. I have plans of growing that to over 10k by the end of the year.

But even starting with under 50 sites you should see significant juice generated from your efforts.

Cheers Matt.

We've used your services several times and the effect on our ranks is undisputable.

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by dripable

I have used many services many of these contextual services that offer private high PR networks and they work great for ranking/serp movement.

I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

Wish you the best of luck!

30-50k!, wow, that's a hell of an investment. But that's what I like about this approach, you can start of small and scale up as the profits increase.

Cheers and good luck to you also Dripable.

[Sean Donahoe]

A few quick tips that you may or may not have thought of.

1. Create groups (clusters) of blogs and assign your outsourcers (if you use them) to manage those clusters (maintenance, monitoring and growth)
2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)
3. Create automated syndication for each blog so all posts get backlink love (RSS Directories, Blog Directories, Ping.FM, PixelPipe, etc)
4. Grab all the sitemaps and feed the links to sites like backlinkindexer.com or Linklicious.me for indexing power

Heck I could go on for ever but those may help you squeeze some power out of everything.

All the best

Sean

[MrDack]

1) Never thought of this - good pointer, thanks.
2) We've several ideas on this one, but I'll check out the tools you mentioned - cheers.
3) Yes, currently trialing BogzBot to install base sites with the usual syndication plugins.
4) Currently testing NuclearLinkindexer, if this doesn't stack up then we'll be switching to backlinkindexer.com.

Cheers Sean, very much appreciate your ideas.

Paul

[SpinnerHawk]

Do you create this for your own / company use or for commercial use? (selling blog post)

If it's for internal use have you think about the ROI? Because I can imagine the complexity and cost of maintaining a large network of sites.

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by SpinnerHawk

Do you create this for your own / company use or for commercial use? (selling blog post)

If it's for internal use have you think about the ROI? Because I can imagine the complexity and cost of maintaining a large network of sites.

We haven't actually kicked off yet, we're currently costing up and devising a strategy. In the short term, for use on our own sites but if things go well then eventually we may run it as a service (limited).

For private useage, the boost in rankings on our money sites should (hopefully) justify the ROI but yes, you're right, this has to be closely monitored.

By starting off small, < 50 sites, we can perfect and fine tune our system and procesess for mantenance and monitoring before upscaling.

[thebitbotdotcom]

Originally Posted by Sean Donahoe

A few quick tips that you may or may not have thought of.

1. Create groups (clusters) of blogs and assign your outsourcers (if you use them) to manage those clusters (maintenance, monitoring and growth)
2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)
3. Create automated syndication for each blog so all posts get backlink love (RSS Directories, Blog Directories, Ping.FM, PixelPipe, etc)
4. Grab all the sitemaps and feed the links to sites like backlinkindexer.com or Linklicious.me for indexing power

Heck I could go on for ever but those may help you squeeze some power out of everything.

All the best

Sean

Your gonna give all of the secrets away man!!! LOL...

[Rus Sells]

2. Get a developer to create an XMLRPC poster to handle distribution of content. There are good tools that can do this for you. (WP Direct is a good one, ManageWP etc)

If your networks gets to any decent size XMLRPC is not a viable solution if your posting a lot of content. Its OK for smaller networks with minimal traffic and content posting, but if you plan to grow your network your going to run into hosting problems unless your on a dedicated box.

[Fernando Veloso]

Great thread guys. What do you use to feed content into your sites - assuming WordPress?

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by dripable

I'm actually going to be getting involved in my own as well, already have about 40 domains from PR6-PR3, though I plan to probably spend about 30-50k to get it completely setup. Then remember the monthly costs and maintenance should be roughly 3-5k a month to keep it up.

If you were to turn this into a business selling a service, it can be very profitable as well. Friends of mine are pulling in 20-30k a month just from having a couple smaller private high PR networks!

Key is getting your hands on a few PR7's and staying away from anything PR3 or lower.

Wish you the best of luck!

We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.

[dripable]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.

Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see. I'm not saying that your can't still have a large network of any PR blogs and not make a profit from it. Its all about the approach, presentation and support, which are the big reasons for any BST/WSO/business success/failure.

[Fernando Veloso]

Great thread guys. What do you use to feed content into your sites - assuming WordPress?

Anyone willing to share some ideas on how to feed 200 WP blogs the right way?

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by dripable

Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see. I'm not saying that your can't still have a large network of any PR blogs and not make a profit from it. Its all about the approach, presentation and support, which are the big reasons for any BST/WSO/business success/failure.

More power to you bud. But I would put my pr 0's up against any other blog network in existence. I have generated over 5000 page one rankings with it in the last 15 months. Rock on though.

[MrDack]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.

That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by MrDack

That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.

You should pay absolutely no attention to what is being taught regarding seo these days. Google's algorithm is extremely easy to game and they seem to have no inclination of stopping it. Provided you're not using the links to rank sites for non relevant keywords.

[SoundsGood]

Question for Matt...

Most of my stuff is pretty highly targeted, so getting ranked for a 4th or 5th keyword on the list won't mean as much to me. Therefore:

Do you have a service for those of us that need to target a "specific" term or keyword phrase?

Thanks.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MrDack

That's thrown me!. I thought it was given that you'd need decent PR to have effect?, obviously not.

Link popularity will give you some juice in weaker terms. Don't believe everything a blog network seller tells you. They only tout their success not their failures (of which there are many if you know where to look outside of WF) If you want to compete in the really tough serps you need some authority links.

I don't mind Matt's selling his services but we get into when he starts making claims that are not true and discounting all other SEO advice. Authority links are needed for many serps. If it were not so then there would be services where for $99 you could choose any ONE keyword phrase you want and that would be that.

[Lyanna]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

More power to you bud. But I would put my pr 0's up against any other blog network in existence. I have generated over 5000 page one rankings with it in the last 15 months. Rock on though.

It's true, I also have links that are mostly from pr0 sites and half of them are nofollow, to boot! I still get Google page one, it all depends on keyword competition.

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Link popularity will give you some juice in weaker terms. Don't believe everything a blog network seller tells you. They only tout their success not their failures (of which there are many if you know where to look outside of WF) If you want to compete in the really tough serps you need some authority links.

I don't mind Matt's selling his services but we get into when he starts making claims that are not true and discounting all other SEO advice. Authority links are needed for many serps. If it were not so then there would be services where for $99 you could choose any ONE keyword phrase you want and that would be that.

Well it looks like your'e also getting into the backlink business with your focus on PR links, so should we also discount this post?

I'm one of Matt's customers and I didn't get on page one of Google for ONE of my keywords. I'm on page one for ALL 5 of them.

My second campaign is a very competitive one and I am confident that I will reach page ONE for some very competitive keywords using his service.

I don't know the ins and outs of SEO. That's why I hired someone who does.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by dripable

Well the reason I said stay away from pr3 or lower is because your are going to lose PR over time. This way if your looking to start a network people would be interested in purchasing a spot in, this is what they want to see.

I'd side with Matt more on that. I think going only for PR5 and up can be overkill. You do not have to lose PR . If you do your home work you won't lose many links and you can fortify whatever you lose anyway. PR7s are mullah money and high risk. I don't avoid PR3s or even 2s at all. Link quality is important but so is popularity. Most people are interested in results. frankly getting people results pays more money than renting out links

[markowe]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Anyone willing to share some ideas on how to feed 200 WP blogs the right way?

My thought would be Article Marketing Robot, let's you load up your private WP blogs and fire out posts VERY quickly. Maybe there's some good reason why not though..?

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

We only use pr0 and pr1 .info blogs and we generate over $75k a month. We pay less than $2 a piece to register them at GD.

Matt, are you considering these domains and backlinks throwaways after 1 year or do you renew? It's $2 per domain for year 1, but $10 for year 2.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well it looks like your'e also getting into the backlink business with your focus on PR links, so should we also discount this post?

I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.

I'm one of Matt's customers and I didn't get on page one of Google for ONE of my keywords. I'm on page one for ALL 5 of them.

Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.

Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.

I didn't pretend to know anything about SEO ... that's why I hired Matt. And I don't rank for long tail keywords. Long tail keywords don't interest me.

As for results that his customers get, I get blurry vision and a headache reading the testimonials of people who got what they want from the service, so yes, I tend to believe that what he says and what he's doing works.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I didn't say to discount everything he says . Far from it but you didn't hear me saying to discount everything everyone else says either.



Thats not his offer. good for you but don't pretend like the service promises that or its what most people get. I have no issue with people getting results on their long tail but there is zip, zero no reason to make claims across the board like authority links are not needed in many serps. Its a flat out lie. If you don''t know SEO and use someone else's service thats fine but don't pretend to know what you have already claimed you don't. It will mislead people.

and no You don't know what my sig refers to so don't pretend as if you do. Thats just a highlight and I will not be selling any PR links AT ALL.

Just because I happen to have some feedback to share on the topic does not mean I'm pitching my services here. Believe it or not...I do not need to do that. But you have accused me that at least half a dozen times on as many threads.

So why not confine your comments to me regarding my services? You will find that I do happen to have a great deal of knowledge on the subject.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I didn't pretend to know anything about SEO ... that's why I hired Matt. And I don't rank for long tail keywords. Long tail keywords don't interest me.

As for results that his customers get, I get blurry vision and a headache reading the testimonials of people who got what they want from the service, so yes, I tend to believe that what he says and what he's doing works.

That's the thing that gets to me. There are entire threads on other forums dedicated to how my system has to be a scam. Yet not one of them knows our system or has read all our testimonails. Even Mike is showing he has not read our testimonials. So he makes accusations only to boost his own service that he pitches on the forum. Had he read what other Warriors have written about our service by the droves he would know that what he is claiming about are service to be untrue.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Just because I happen to have some feedback to share on the topic does not mean I'm pitching my services here. Believe it or not...I do not need to do that. But you have accused me that at least half a dozen times on as many threads.

I've accused you of making misleading statements that just happen to pitch your service in a particuar light. I am far from the only one. I won't argue semantics and I have always confined my statements to your claims. Your claims are wrong and I 've challenged you to show a truly competitive term in the serps ranking without any authority links.

its not my fault that every time I do you run away. discussing SEO is what every other regular in this section does - not just our services. In this particular thread the issue of a blog network with some authority links or not is very pertinent. IN my own private network (Don't sell spots on it) having some PR has helped in competitive serps - fact. So its a legitimate discussion and has little to do with your particular service.

[markowe]

Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?

[Asad Moeen]

This might be off-topic but I have better experience in doing SEO than building something for it.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I've accused you of making misleading statements that just happen to pitch your service in a particuar light. I am far from the only one. I won't argue semantics and I have always confined my statements to your claims. Your claims are wrong and I 've challenged you to show a truly competitive term in the serps ranking without any authority links.

its not my fault that every time I do you run away. discussing SEO is what every other regular in this section does - not just our services. In this particular thread the issue of a blog network with some authority links or not is very pertinent. IN my own private network (Don't sell spots on it) having some PR has helped in competitive serps - fact. So its a legitimate discussion and has little to do with your particular service.

Okay then...show me your testimonials and I'll show you mine. Proof is in the pudding. I proved what I say is true. Now you prove your viewpoint is true.

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by markowe

Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?

I chose Matt's service because #1 all the testimonials and #2 because it IS a private blog network.

I don't want to spam the Internet with my links. I want my links placed where no one will be offended by them.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by markowe

Back to the subject (we are well off it, and all this has been done before): how does having a blog network compare with the poor man's option of setting up a lot of Web 2.0-type properties and leveraging them for backlinks? This is certainly something I do, to pretty good effect, but of course the problem of posting to 50 completely different blog platforms (manually) and the obvious risk of not having ownership of them sort of precludes ramping this up big-time. I wonder how it compares in SEO terms with having, say, 50 low-PR .info sites, hosted on different servers etc. Any thoughts?

True enough regarding this thread going off topic.

If you use Article Marketing Robot you can easily post to all 50 of the different blogs on your network very quickly and efficiently.

AMR = under $100
50 .info domains = under $100

[markowe]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I chose Matt's service because #1 all the testimonials and #2 because it IS a private blog network.

I don't want to spam the Internet with my links. I want my links placed where no one will be offended by them.

Well, I do agree - that's one reason I have also used Matt's service (still waiting on the results!), because it's his network so, hey, he can slap spun content over it all day if he wants.

I would say that I am careful NOT to spam Web 2.0s, even at the expense of posting "duplicate" but quality content I have already used elsewhere (i.e. not spun stuff - actually, it still works fine for me).

In fact for promoting my offline business (I won't let spam NEAR that) I create totally unique, related, quality Wikis, blogs, etc. that I update totally manually and which can stand alone and can and do rank for a ton of related stuff. However, all this IS very hard work, and it would be tempting to just be able to blast stuff out to my own network every now and then and not care..!

[JamesGw]

I think private blog networks are one of the best ways to go for SEO purposes. Where are you supposed to get most of the content from? Autoblogging?

I say this because I'd like to create an automated solution. I have blog networks, but they're all updated manually.

[markowe]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

True enough regarding this thread going off topic.

If you use Article Marketing Robot you can easily post to all 50 of the different blogs on your network very quickly and efficiently.

AMR = under $100
50 .info domains = under $100

+50 different IPs/hosting packages?!

[Seofarmer]

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for the information guys.

I am planning to build my own 'small' private network for personal purpose as well, and reading some of the response up above, it seems quite expensive to begin with (both time and money). While I dont mind spending time, but i have limited budget.

For instance, If I am planning to start with 10 blogs,

10 x $2 (.info) = $20 (first year), then after that its $5 per year (according to another user above?)

Multiple-Class-C IP : I assume I will be needing 10 unique IPs in this case. Does that mean getting 10-hosting packages? (Or a dedicated server with 10 IPs?)

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by markowe

+50 different IPs/hosting packages?!

For 50 domains you would need 5-10 separate c class ip's. Which would fall under the cheapest hosting plans of every seo host you check out.

Originally Posted by Seofarmer

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for the information guys.

I am planning to build my own 'small' private network for personal purpose as well, and reading some of the response up above, it seems quite expensive to begin with (both time and money). While I dont mind spending time, but i have limited budget.

For instance, If I am planning to start with 10 blogs,

10 x $2 (.info) = $20 (first year), then after that its $5 per year (according to another user above?)

Multiple-Class-C IP : I assume I will be needing 10 unique IPs in this case. Does that mean getting 10-hosting packages? (Or a dedicated server with 10 IPs?)

You do not need to reregister a domain once it expires. Just clone it and add it to a new .info domain. Works like a charm.

[markowe]

Yeah, I don't think one need get TOO paranoid about multiple IPs. You can start with a cheap package like the 5 IP one here: Shared SEO Hosting ? Shared IP Hosting (not aff. link). Still, it IS an investment, but easily recouped, one would think.