Setting up private blog network - SEO EXPERTS HELP ME!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by hpad06

kkchoon

can I ask for the thousands of articles you send out, how many unique articles did you use, what software did you use to spin or send out.

thanks

I used to use TBS, but the support sucks, then I found SpinnerChief, seems a much better product.

All articles are syndicate through SEOLV, AMA and ArticleRanks, so each article will give me at least 100 unique posts, that's a 1500 X 100 = 150,000 post with each post 3 backlinks = 450,000 backlinks!

It might be more or less the number, but you get the idea.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Why don't you give me a page and keyword, I'll rank it for you?

All I ask is you follow the recommended on page factor here: Guaranteed Website Ranking

Place the order and I'll rank it for you, if I don't get there in the stated time, I'll send you the refund.

Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting down my customers sites down either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting my customers sites either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.

How about you give us a "competitive" keyword so we can look at the backlinks of the top 3 to see what is going on.

I still don't know how you quantify "competitive" either. Are you talking dream keywords?

"make money online"? is that the standard?

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

How about you give us a "competitive" keyword so we can look at the backlinks of the top 3 to see what is going on.

I still don't know how you quantify "competitive" either. Are you talking dream keywords?

"make money online"? is that the standard?

Oh, you mean the keyword where my client is ranking #1?

Does that qualify me as a "dream seo"?

[Marc_L]

101 Ways To Make Money - Learn How To Make Money Online

Is your client?

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

101 Ways To Make Money - Learn How To Make Money Online

Is your client?

Yes.


Autograph?

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Yes.


Autograph?

No

Time to fire up spyglass

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

No

Time to fire up spyglass

Go for it.

You won't find anything groundbreaking.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Yes.


Autograph?

ROFL. I was just going to pick another one random. I mean its so common to find a serp with high pr links at the top and they pretend like its otherwise.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

ROFL. I was just going to pick another one random. I mean its so common to find a serp with high pr links at the top and they pretend like its otherwise.

Heh, now they'll never take the challenge to the SERPs with me

[Marc_L]

Is "make money online" typical of a "competitive keyword"? What is a "competitive keyword" if not. I don't want examples but a method for determining if a keyword is "competitive" or not.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Is "make money online" typical of a "competitive keyword"? What is a "competitive keyword" if not. I don't want examples but a method for determining if a keyword is "competitive" or not.

Completely dependent upon top 3 imo.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Elaborate on?

I've already told you that you will not find anything groundbreaking.

P.S. You're wrong about profile links. I also didn't need my network for this site. Spyglass also doesn't pick up on shifty redirects :>

I said I didn't see any profiles, did I see some? You might have made them but I didn't see any.

Ok well this site is worthless as far as this thread is concerned now that Mike has told us his network had nothing to do with this ranking. We are talking about building networks for SEO after all.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

I said I didn't see any profiles, did I see some? You might have made them but I didn't see any.

Ok well this site is worthless as far as this thread is concerned now that Mike has told us his network had nothing to do with this ranking. We are talking about building networks for SEO after all.

To find anything from my network you have to set your sights much higher.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry KKchoon I don't need you to rank any of my sites. I do quite fine and I am not seeing any of your forum blast hitting my customers sites either. I'll take that as your way of saying you can't show it in the serps. Disappointing sarcastic answer old friend. I thought you were so much better than that answer.

I think we can now see why everyone who is into quantity over quality links refuses to show anything in the serps _ they can't show anything really competitive.

Just give me a chance, order it and I'll rank it for you, what more do you want from your old friend? I'm willing to prove it but you have to pay for the campaign. The risk is still on me, if I can't do it, not only you get the refund, I risk my reputation here.

Anyway, I will be testing the low PR blog network soon, I'm excited to see this happening... !

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

To find anything from my network you have to set your sights much higher.

May be Majestic SEO will give us more ideas.

Congratulation on the "Make Money Online" keyword, not easy to rank and it seems like no one is staying there long. Competition all the time...

[dagaul101]

Ofcourse if you let your sites expire, you will lose the backlinks, but it will be a gradual process before you start to feel the loss

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Just give me a chance, order it and I'll rank it for you, what more do you want from your old friend?

Thats easy - an honest answer to a direct question about showing a single truly competitive serp where anyone ranks number one using just N/a or PR 0 links not a continuing pitch for me to buy a service I have stated point blank I neither want nor need.

but since you are so generously offering help and you are in the market for building a network drop me a PM. I 'll try and fit you in to the mentoring program I mentioned earlier on how to build a solid authority network. I'll even teach you how to ultimately multiply your PR domains and links for the price of nothing but a registration fee AND BELOW. completely driving down the long term cost that you have referred to. Shoot I'll even throw in why you can't see Mike's other links (even though he told you point blank why and you guys still don't get it). I mean I am that much of a stand up guy

[Rsberg]

Originally Posted by trishseo

Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do.

So I guess all of us autobloggers who ARE still getting free traffic from Google (post Panda) must have some magic up our sleeves then....

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats easy - an honest answer to a direct question about showing a single truly competitive serp where anyone ranks number one using just N/a or PR 0 links not a continuing pitch for me to buy a service I have stated point blank I neither want nor need.

Am I on your ignore list? I just told you that this is a strawman, nobody is claiming this.

In fact I looked at the make money online number one and there are a plethora of types of links used. I didn't see the forum profiles but Grant has indicated that he used them. There are blog comments (no network needed) blog roll links (no network needed) along with stuff that might require a network or it might not Grant has indicated that he didn't use his network.

Please stop with this ridiculous strawman. I'd like to see any decent serp with number one just using any type of particular link.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Mike, nobody is claiming that you can rank sites using only .info pr0 domains. You can STOP asking for this as nobody is claiming this. This is what is known as a strawman..

Thats interesting and I think EVERYBODY should pay attention to this because if this debate was going on in a physical location I would print that quote in BOLD and FRAME IT. theres only three ways to take that statement

A) you are backing off of your repeated claims that first page placements is real ranking (and I'd agree only top three/four get good traffic).
B) You are admitting that people who you claim to rank use MORE than just your network which logically opens the door to the possibility that others things they do are really what is causing the rankings (
you can CLAIM otherwise but whose to say you are accurately depicting the true scenario?)
C) your customers are mistaken that you are the cause of their rankings particularly since some for them take a good deal of time to get to first page and they are doing other things. in fact some people have claimed it was other things they did but of course those are not ones you highlight neither should you.

look its good you admitted this. It is constructive to finally have you say this (although you probably won't like the implications) but people don't want to go through the trouble of creating ANY network if it does not have the power to rank sites

So no it is not a stawman. In order to indicate that yours is the better way to build a network you would have of course to do a test or search in the serps that ISOLATES that one factor other wise whose to say? whats the point? Now if you go over and over in the serps and you keep seeing high pr pages ranking sites then with all the other variables that change from serp to serp then its reasonable to conclude that you might need some of those in a network. Strawman? Objecting to that is straw.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

A) you are backing off of your repeated claims that first page placements is real ranking (and I'd agree only top three/four get good traffic).

No, I am speaking to you and you keep bringing up top 3 so I'd like you to find a site in a competitive SERP where there are only one type of link being used.

B) You are admitting that people who you claim to rank use MORE than just your network which logically opens the door to the possibility that others things they do are really what is causing the rankings (
you can CLAIM otherwise but whose to say you are accurately depicting the true scenario?)

Here's a hint we do more than use our blogs. No search term worth anything is going to rank only using one type of any kind of link. There are so many other possibilities but you just can't seem to make your brain work to find them.

C) your customers are mistaken that you are the cause of their rankings particularly since some for them take a good deal of time to get to first page and they are doing other things. in fact some people have claimed it was other things they did but of course those are not ones you highlight neither should you.

Wrong again but that's based upon your faulty reasoning from point B. We rank for customers who don't do a thing to their sites.

look its good you admitted this. It is constructive to finally have you say this (although you probably won't like the implications) but people don't want to go through the trouble of creating ANY network if it does not have the power to rank sites

I didn't admit anything that you indicated I did. Anybody building a network is going to be smart enough to know that there are more types of links in the world and that the network will be a part of that. So I'd like to repeat my challenge, please find any "competitive" Serp where there is only one type of link being used. It would be very instructive to see one where only a network that you advocate is being used since this is what you are asking of us. However I realize that this isn't going to happen because it doesn't exist.

So no it is not a stawman.

It's the very definition of a strawman!

In order to indicate that yours is the better way to build a network you would have of course to do a test or search in the serps that ISOLATES that one factor other wise whose to say? whats the point? Now if you go over and over in the serps and you keep seeing high pr pages ranking sites then with all the other variables that change from serp to serp then its reasonable to conclude that you might need some of those in a network. Strawman? Objecting to that is straw.

The point is that no network alone is going to rank for competitive searches. Having a network isn't a replacement for all the variety of links there are to get. It's an additional resource that you acquire and utilize.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

In fact I looked at the make money online number one and there are a plethora of types of links used. I didn't see the forum profiles but Grant has indicated that he used them. There are blog comments (no network needed) blog roll links (no network needed) along with stuff that might require a network or it might not Grant has indicated that he didn't use his network.

No one asked you ever to show ANY network. Thats a real strawman - implying or stating that someone made a point they never did. You need not have shown any network. Not your own or any one else's. You have been asked however REPEATEDLY to show any serp where someone is ranking using just PR N/A or zero links. Really don't even care about about .info.

Have members of YOUR team (as in Marc) claimed he would only use .info low PR in his networks? You KNOW he has stated so directly so the strawman argument on your side is dead and I need not address it further.

Mike's site among many, many many others shows that High PR links are required to rank at the top of competitive google serps. that is , was and will always be relevant to this discussion.

Please stop with this ridiculous strawman. I'd like to see any decent serp with number one just using any type of particular link.

I realize you think of networks in very limited terms but I don't . You can have a network with any and all "types" or particular links not just blogs. I have HTML sites, WOrdpress, forums, small social network setups and all kinds of sites in my network. I can place or accept blog comments and if I want to leave signature links from my forums I can So the type argument is off point. A network is everything you use to rank sites. I however would want my links to appear regardless of type on a higher authority page than a N/A or zero indicates. Its really quite simple and elementary because the VAST majority of sites ranking in 1-3 have these kinds of links and from what I gather you just came pretty close to flat out admitting it. So why should anyone build a network that doesn't have High PR? Its the preferred way to go.

People only want to build networks to get what they can't get in good supply without a network. You can get N/A and Zero links of all kinds all over the internet for free but you can't get on page High Pr links in constant supply at the drop of a hat so its a no brainer that makes no sense to avoid that when building a network you would want to go with High PR pages to get links from. Its elementary in my book and it causes my customers sites to rank.

You can take this as an answer to your last post as well as it addresses everything brought up in it.

I didn't admit anything that you indicated I did. Anybody building a network is going to be smart enough to know that there are more types of links in the world and that the network will be a part of that.

Good - then tell your people to stop blowing smoke. If you (yes the you as in company again)are going to tell people how to really build a network then give them a realistic view before they drop cash. telling them all they need are .info backlinks with little and no PR and spun content on a blog and they will rank where the real traffic is is highly misleading.

Happy we have finally come to an agreement.

[Marc_L]

LOL

I'm really far too busy to do this.

Mike, I'm out I have paying customers who need my attention.

Good luck on whatever it is you do.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by Rsberg

So I guess all of us autobloggers who ARE still getting free traffic from Google (post Panda) must have some magic up our sleeves then....

Hi Rsberg,

You make a good point. Some folks just haven't yet got their head around what the PANDA update was about and how it effects things like autoblogging.

The fact is that a well constructed and managed autoblogging script will benefit from the PANDA update. PANDA does the work for them, filtering low quality from SERP which helps to immunizes the autoblog content from PANDA.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Good luck on whatever it is you do.

Good luck to you too. Wish you the best.

[timpears]

These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.

[kkchoon]

Mixing backlink types are the first and most important thing, after that, we can pick any one of the method to focus on ranking.

I'm pretty interested to see how pr0 blogs are going to rank keywords, may be I'll try 10K, 50K and 100K competition keywords to see how a 200 pr0 blogs going to help in ranking.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I'm pretty interested to see how pr0 blogs are going to rank keywords, may be I'll try 10K, 50K and 100K competition keywords to see how a 200 pr0 blogs going to help in ranking.

Good luck with that just don't think you are going to offer a service with that. My mentorship/internship spots are almost full and if my guys follow through they will smoke you and then some.

Might even convince some of them to combine forces and they can smoke Matt and Marc

So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.

Well you sure can build High PR pages. There are a variety of ways you can do it but lets not forget what makes a high PR page - links . So no its not going to happen magically overnight UNLESS you have a source for links (like your own hint hint)with higher PR. Now you can of course try to blast them up with lower quality links but its either time or money and there are limits tohow high you will go with just those.

as for buying .infos to build them up. Why bother. Look around. Netfirms has had a special coupon for months that allowed you to get .coms .net. orgs for $4.95 WITH PRIVACY. You build more equity in your domains with .com .net .org (not talking SEo here but market value). Plus having hundreds of .infos is a dead give away if your money site ever gets manually reviewed that your are up to something. Remember since you are going to be building these up it would make no sense to have the domain expire so you are going to be paying for renewal fees.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by timpears

These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.

Tim, I'm glad you picked up some information.

But do you really think that WSO is going to teach you anything you already don't know? The key to building PR is getting other PR links. But anyone selling a WSO claiming to teach you how to build PR5 domains in 90 days... Well, they are full of it. If it was so easy to build a PR5 domain from scratch that fast, they would be building armies of them to sell. Not wasting their time with some $7 WSO. You could make a fortune selling PR5's if they were that easy to build.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

But anyone selling a WSO claiming to teach you how to build PR5 domains in 90 days... Well, they are full of it.

actually it can be done but not without utilizing the right techniques and high PR links to begin with

[oogyboogawa]

Between the last thread and this one as well as PMs and reading on other sites, I've been absorbing a lot of information about setting up high PR networks for SEO purposes.

Yesterday, I bought 3 PR 2 domains from Godaddy auctions (the transfers will finalize next week). I do plan to buy more once these are set up and to ramp things up as I build momentum.

But I wanted to post this to let people know that you don't have to start out by buying 100 PR5+ domains.

After some digging to make sure the PR was real, the links to the sites looked like they would stick, and to find a coupon code for Godaddy, I was able to grab these three sites for between $70-75 (total for all 3 - average of less than $25/site). That includes domain renewal and privacy.

Three PR 2 sites aren't going to rank me high for "car insurance" but when you consider that I have absolute control over how many links are on these pages and where they point to, they will definitely be worth that price. Not to mention the fact that I will be able to build these to a higher PR over time.

Anyway - I hope that's at least somewhat encouraging to anyone who is on the fence or considering starting this type of network.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

actually it can be done but not without utilizing the right techniques and high PR links to begin with

Ok, I should have said it cannot be done by someone just starting from scratch, unless they are going to lay out a lot of cash for some PR 5's or PR 6's to start with. Or you need to have some really good, high PR (5+) blogs to comment on that have a small number of outgoing backlinks. But even that is going to limit you on how many PR 5's you can create without finding a lot more blogs.

On top of that Google may not update the toolbar PR for 6 months, so you have no idea if you built up a PR 5 or not. You can use MozRank as a predictor, but it is not 100% accurate.

[aymen99]

setting up a private blog network is not something that everyone can afford ! is you want to do it you better do it right , because in your case it will be a was of time and money : easy way to do it : first get a c-class hosting with 200 c_class ips , then buy 200 domains (.org,.net,.com,.biz , and few .info ) , create wp blogs for all of those blogs and a nice theme for all of the blogs , then its better to create some kind of server script to allow you to post to your blogs faster than doing it manually !


Cheers

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by timpears

These private blog network threads of the past week have been very informative. I think I have learned quite a bit from them. Even amongst all the bickering.

I saw a WSO the other day from a girl who claimed to be able to teach you how to get your sites from PR0 to PR5 in 30 to 90 days. So in theory, you could take Matt's .info domains and build them to PR5 blogs overnight so to speak. That way you would get the cheap domains and also have the high PR as well. Just a thought.

That's actually something we are working on at this very moment. We just hired a staffer to backlink the blogs on high pr blogs via real time blog comments.

That's the thing about us. We have the budget to try everything.

If we're able to raise the pr from 0 to 3 even.

Can you say mega link juice?

[foreignnative]

setting up a web 2.0 ring has taken so much time. I've wanted to quite so many times. I thought to myself, if I just would have worked a regular job I would made x amount of money. It takes a lot of patience and dedication. It's easy to start slacking when you're tired too, which is why I'm taking a break and I'm here

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Ok, I should have said it cannot be done by someone just starting from scratch, unless they are going to lay out a lot of cash for some PR 5's or PR 6's to start with. .

No you were right the first time I was just saying if you have PR already working with then it can be done provided you arrange things right.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

blogs via real time blog comments.

That's the thing about us. We have the budget to try everything.

Glad you have passed over to the Pr is great side. I will take a bow. But um When since did it take a big budget to get someone to drop blog comments. Especially when a staffer can be a VA?

Yeah blog comments can work a bit after you go searching down the ones that haven't been OBLed to death but there are FAR better ways to leverage a network with PR - but hey far be it from me to interfere

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Glad you have passed over to the Pr is great side. I will take a bow. But um When since did it take a big budget to get someone to drop blog comments. Especially when a staffer can be a VA?

Yeah blog comments can work a bit after you go searching down the ones that haven't been OBLed to death but there are FAR better ways to leverage a network with PR - but hey far be it from me to interfere

Haha...

Not sure why you like to pick on words, who is denying PR has power? I think Matt is trying to give you a point here - both quantity and quality does matters.

You can go and use 200 PR4 sites to rank a keyword while Matt has 15,000 PR0 ~ PR3 sites, who do you think had the ranking power?

If all went well in the test, we can grow the PR using few simple backlink tools, that's the key to minimizing the cost while maximizing the investment, I think that's what we are trying to learn here.

I hope we can still be good friend, I'm sure we can learn more without picking on each other.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Haha...

Not sure why you like to pick on words, who is denying PR has power? I think Matt is trying to give you a point here - both quantity and quality does matters.

KK come on man you are late to the game. this is the second thread on this and yeah somebody did say they would pick infos N/As and zeros over PR even with a what was it? a $40,000 budget? cough cough . We all know that link popularity matters but sorry KK not over quality. but alright we can have fun with this. I can at least. So lets go

You can go and use 200 PR4 sites to rank a keyword while Matt has 15,000 PR0 ~ PR3 sites, who do you think had the ranking power?

drop the PR3s bro. the discussion has been PR 0s so I'll take the PR4s and Matt ain't got no 15,000 nothing so you raise me (poker talk) 4,000 . You say the 15,000s PR zeros has more juice? then once again KK SHOW ME A COMPETITIVE serp where a page ranks number one with no PR links.. Hey remember this one from the good old days? The one angela made famous

backlinks - Google Search

Guess what? after a long absence - she's back finally (but not at the top) but guess what? She's got PR backlinks I tell you its scandalous.

BY the way where you at Kman. You know that was THE serp for what you sell (used to sell em myself but I grew up and left the hood ) . Where you at bro.? Wheres the Nuclear Link blaster at?

Be honest dude Why are you dodging? Show me in the serps and No again I am not interested in your service don't need it, don't want it, don't offer it again. Sure we can be friends . Hope we still are and I want to learn just like you but its got to be real and real for SEO is whats happening on google. Its a big lab sitting there and you can go to it and see what ranks. So why when we look do we see the number 2 guy (where angela used to sit a few years back) with all those Pr links ranking above all the guys like yourself that used to push N/A links?

Do you know what we could be doing thats far more constructive? look at serps that people in this thread who would like to build a network want to rank for. I wonder out of say like ten random serps put up by them how many won't have pages with high Pr links on them?

So why try to emulate what isn't ranking those sites right now? and why should anyone build a network around what doesn't rank most sites number one. You have a good night man (At least its night here on the east coast of the US). and we are still friends I hope

[kkchoon]

Hey Mike,

Nice site: SEO Training Opportunities

What keywords have you ranked? How's the traffic? Are you making Tens of Thousands?

You have shown some great points here:

Backlinks is a competitive keyword, not easy to rank and very hard to stay. If you are talking about 94Mil competition, you are right, I haven't ranked for those kind of competition, but if I want, I can.

Terry Kyle forum used to be in the top 5 around last year, and during that time he only uses profile links, I guess his site still not bad, after a year and still ranked on page 1.

Here's something I'm interested:

What kind of competition can a massive PR0 network rank for? Not sure if Matt will share this, but I'm gonna find out eventually.

I believe the low quality network still works great when you have enough trustrank on your site. You see, when your site don't have enough trust, Google will ignore those low quality backlinks, but when your site already had enough trust with many authority links, these spammy links will start to work great!

Anyway, I really interested to see a new site with PR0 network, if they can rank for keyword with 5 mil quote search. Or may be mixing a few high PR links will help? What kind of combination is the best?

Knowing these information would greatly help me plan my keywords, I can target many long tail keywords or even setup auto blog with unique spin content that would generate a lot of traffic - all autopilot.

Kok Choon

P.S. I really hate people pushing me, if you want a competition, let me know which keyword you want to compete, we'll both setup a site and rank for it.

You can use your private network, I'll just use the cheap but effective blog network services like AMA, SEOLV or Articleranks to out rank your site.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by seoupdate

We'd need to know the purposes for the OPs desire to create a network of blogs.

What is your budget? If money is no object you can buy aged domains and add private who is, there alot of pitfalls you need to be aware of when you take on this task. So make sure you read up on the process before starting as you're apt to lose PR or buy fake PR if you aren't careful. Also what is your timeframe to get started? It can take months to years to build up a network like this.

If you are on a more shoestring budget or time constraints then you can go with .info domains, which can be as cheap as 50 cents a domain make sure you opt for who is privacy. You can find some multi c class hosting for cheap to get your foot in the door.

If you go the .info route you can develop your domains into hi PR over time.

Personally I get the results I need by going the .info route and having lots of domains, which you may or may not need depending on the amounts of keywords you are working with.

This looks VERY familiar. hmmmmm

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Hey Mike,

Nice site: SEO Training Opportunities

What keywords have you ranked? How's the traffic? Are you making Tens of Thousands?

Considering the site went up yesterday and hasn't officially launched (like it says there in black and white) actually pretty good.

You have shown some great points here:

Backlinks is a competitive keyword, not easy to rank and very hard to stay.

Sorry been watching it for months. the number two guy has been sitting there for a long time. With his PR5 , 4s and less

Terry Kyle forum used to be in the top 5 around last year, and during that time he only uses profile links, I guess his site still not bad, after a year and still ranked on page 1.

Sorry again KK, He's not in the top five

I believe the low quality network still works great when you have enough trustrank on your site. You see, when your site don't have enough trust, Google will ignore those low quality backlinks, but when your site already had enough trust with many authority links, these spammy links will start to work great!

Actually I somewhat can agree with that because if the site already has good PR links it can get a boost from link s based on popularity but it has to get the Pr links first or well at some point.

You can use your private network, I'll just use the cheap but effective blog network services like AMA, SEOLV or Articleranks to out rank your site.

Thats funny I have never seen any site out ranking my customer's sites with article services. Maybe you have me confused with Matt

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

This looks VERY familiar. hmmmmm

Yah right up to the point where he mentions you can develop your .info domains into High Pr over time.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Where did you get the 50 cents .info domain? I would love to know...

Anyone know what's the cheapest .info?

why you guys so hard up for cash? Want a loan? $2-$4 gets you some .com .net .orgs at netfirm last I bought. stop making it so hard on your customers or yourself. if you one day do get a top rank in a really competitive serp (it could happen I suppose) its a kind of dead give away when you competitor sees all these .infos pointing at your site. Its even easier to hit the web spam report link now.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yah right up to the point where he mentions you can develop your .info domains into High Pr over time.

Nope, the whole thing was mine.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Thats funny I have never seen any site out ranking my customer's sites with article services. Maybe you have me confused with Matt

So it's on? kkchoon vs Mike Anthony?

[mohd]

Originally Posted by uniches

So it's on? kkchoon vs Mike Anthony?

I've been following with interest.

I think EVERYONE would LOVE to see a thread kkchoon vs Mike Anthony vs mattlaclear

Instead of chit-chat here and there about SEO, (and I can see a lot of hatred)
why don't you guys compete?

I mean in a good way.

Pick several competitive keywords and rank for them.

Layout strategy and the winner will be determine by speed, position
and how long you guys holds to that ranking.

Wouldn't it be easier to prove who's the REAL SEO Master?
(I mean just among you guys k, others don't get mad)

And that's why you're here right? In WARRIOR forum...lol

No more flaming, nothing to lose, gain further credibility and respected by others.

Just a suggestion.

[Cool Hand Luke]

(sigh). Yet another big "My ranking skills are the bestest!" circle jerk threads that strays away from the original topic completely.

In before the mods lock this one too.

[mohd]

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

(sigh). Yet another big "My ranking skills are the bestest!" circle jerk threads that strays away from the original topic completely.

In before the mods lock this one too.

Ops... Sorry if I'm off topic...
just a suggestion.. don't be mad.
I don't usually hang out at warriorforum, so don't know about
"My ranking skills are the bestest!" threads.

Peace.

[NicholasCollins]

I spent 3 hours last night reading this whole thread and have 4 pages of notebook filled with tips and tricks I picked up. Despite the Young and the Restless style drama its a great read.