Setting up private blog network - SEO EXPERTS HELP ME!

[ebizman]

Hey,

I'm looking to setup a private blog network and I've been reading on the forum people setting it up with .info domains. My question...if I register 100 .info domains and and build links from that network. If I let all domains expire will my sites lose those backlinks?

because i've seen .info domains are cheap when you register them first them but after renewal the price jumps.

Any feedback from SEO experts would be nice. If anyone has a PDF guide on setting up a private blog network that would be nice too.

Thanks!

[Clyde]

inb4 laclear vs. the mike's

and yes, you will lose the backlinks.

[IMhunt]

instead of buying that many .info and letting it expire and losing all,
buy high pr domains, host them on different ip, you can use and sell links also this way, invest back in more high pr domains for your network.

[dburk]

Hi ebizman,

The first thing I would like to ask you is why? Why are you building a blog network? What is it that you hope to accomplish from having a network of blogs rather than a single blog or two? Once you answer that question I can offer advice to you.

The fact is a lot of folks think they need a network of blogs when just one will work as well as many. There are legitimate reasons to build a blog network however your post does not indicate that.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by ebizman

Any feedback from SEO experts would be nice. If anyone has a PDF guide on setting up a private blog network that would be nice too.

Thanks!

PM me. Would be kind of crazy to get into this again after the last thread was locked.

[simonbuzz]

Info domains are not worth it...try purchasing some high pr domains...

[Oranges]

Ask yourself this >> Quantity Vs Quality?

[kkchoon]

I'm surprise how many people are trying to build their own network while there are tons of ready services to use...

Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords, I would recommend expired domain with PR, Terry Kyle had a guide to aged domain buying here: Download Link For Aged Domains Webinar Here (August 2011)

I had great success with AMA and Elite SEOLV, these 2 networks alone would help me rank for a lot of medium competition keywords, I guess to replace them would need 4,000 PR2+ domains, that's a 60K to 100K investment...

[Marc_L]

We'd need to know the purposes for the OPs desire to create a network of blogs.

What is your budget? If money is no object you can buy aged domains and add private who is, there alot of pitfalls you need to be aware of when you take on this task. So make sure you read up on the process before starting as you're apt to lose PR or buy fake PR if you aren't careful. Also what is your timeframe to get started? It can take months to years to build up a network like this.

If you are on a more shoestring budget or time constraints then you can go with .info domains, which can be as cheap as 50 cents a domain make sure you opt for who is privacy. You can find some multi c class hosting for cheap to get your foot in the door.

If you go the .info route you can develop your domains into hi PR over time.

Personally I get the results I need by going the .info route and having lots of domains, which you may or may not need depending on the amounts of keywords you are working with.

[timpears]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords, I would recommend expired domain with PR, Terry Kyle had a guide to aged domain buying here: Download Link For Aged Domains Webinar Here (August 2011)

Matt LeClear has built up a thriving business using a network of PR0-PR1 .info domains and sells a service where he offers to get you on page one of Google for one of five keywords you give him, for $99. So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K a month for Matt.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ht=page+google

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by timpears

Matt LeClear has built up a thriving business using a network of PR0-PR1 .info domains and sells a service where he offers to get you on page one of Google for one of five keywords you give him, for $99. So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K a month for Matt.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ht=page+google

I can do the same with 1/100 of the investment.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I can do the same with 1/100 of the investment.

That I'd like to hear.

[kkchoon]

The only reason to own a huge blog network - you are building a backlink service or you have a large network of sites to rank and maintain the ranking.

If you are not buying expired domains, and using new .info domains are good to rank sites with 1 million quote search, try to rank for higher competition, I bet you'll be having a hard time.

Think about this, what's the investment of building 4,000 expired domains with PR2 and above? 120K?

You can easily access to that number with AMA or Linkvana - $47 or $147 / month?

I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't build a network of sites for backlinks, but are you providing a $75K / month kind of services? If yes then go ahead.

[faysal969]

Buying many .info domain is not a good idea. Mainly .info domains are used by spammers. So, they have very little value in search engines. They do almost nothing for your site. After 1 year you have to pay full amount of money for making live all the domains. If you let them expire then you will loss all the backlinks. Anyway, you may use free hosted domains like blogger.com, wordpress.com, etc. for making network.

[Mike Grant]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

The only reason to own a huge blog network - you are building a backlink service or you have a large network of sites to rank and maintain the ranking.

If you are not buying expired domains, and using new .info domains are good to rank sites with 1 million quote search, try to rank for higher competition, I bet you'll be having a hard time.

Think about this, what's the investment of building 4,000 expired domains with PR2 and above? 120K?

You can easily access to that number with AMA or Linkvana - $47 or $147 / month?

I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't build a network of sites for backlinks, but are you providing a $75K / month kind of services? If yes then go ahead.

Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

Nah, I buy my PR4s for $30-$35/each. PR2 cost me $15.

There you go, PR2 domain alone cost 60K for 4,000 domains. How about hosting fees plus IPs and may be some backlinks to maintain it?

AMA had 10 times more domains for $47/month.

[markowe]

Do we really want to get into this again?!

Google for the last Private Blog Networks thread, and read the whole thing in all its gory details, the subject's been pretty much covered, though no overall conclusion come to.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

There you go, PR2 domain alone cost 60K for 4,000 domains. How about hosting fees plus IPs and may be some backlinks to maintain it?

AMA had 10 times more domains for $47/month.

Yo Yo kkchoon. Good to see you man

On the subject you wouldn't need 4000 PR2s. I know you check serps but others need to do so
. there are ton loads of sites ranking in competitive niches with less than even 500 PRed sites. Shoot even less than a hundred.

plus if you know a "secret sauce" technique. 50 PR sites will will give you the power of 500 easily

So those useless .info domains you speak of are making $75K.

Do we really want to start the successful WSO equals good SEo thing again so so soon. For the record there have been WSOs that made hundreds of thousands and product launches that made millions wihth hundreds of testimonials that didn't work a successfully for those who bought them. anyone watching IM for years has seen that happen

, though no overall conclusion come to.

Thats debatable but no don't want to and won't get into it here again

[ebizman]

im looking to setup this private blog network for my own sites and also to sell links similar to what some Warriors are doing.

thanks for the help...

[hpad06]

the private blog network has to be setup for general topic or can it be just for one industry?

[Oranges]

Originally Posted by aanchalsharma

yes you will lost all the backlinks because those links connect with your website domain name.

!!!???WHAT???!!!

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Buying 1000 .info domains without PR or backlinks won't help you rank for your keywords,

I really hope people are smart enough to listen to these words. 1000 PR 0 backlinks are not going to get you anywhere in a competitive SERP, much less those of you thinking about buying 50-100 of them. Save your money. Please.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I really hope people are smart enough to listen to these words. 1000 PR 0 backlinks are not going to get you anywhere in a competitive SERP, much less those of you thinking about buying 50-100 of them. Save your money. Please.

Those could be fighting words amigo and we don't want to go there again.

I had an idea!

I will mentor a couple or more people on how to build a network (pdf request to me just doesn't cover it) . Everything you need. No secrets no secret sauce E V E R Y T H I N G. Keys to the kingdom and in a few months we can put up How us Mike's build Networks to whoever else wants to challenge my newbies.

Thats what the title of the thread is about and if we make this thread constructive with no jibber jabbering straight results for a newb to results for a newb then the thread won't violate any policies or get locked and give the OP what he asked for.

Deal?

only thing is there COULD BE alot of ins and out s and questions and hand holding so how much could be done for free on either side i don't know. Time constrainst etc? I have my own businesses to run.

[MikeFriedman]

Not a bad idea.

Only problem I see is you have to have mentees (is that a word?) who are willing to put up some cash to build their network. Then of course there is the time in finding and acquiring domains. It takes some effort. You wouldn't want someone who signs up, and after two weeks gives up on it because they didn't realize the work that goes into it.

If you did it through a series of webinars with them, it wouldn't be too time consuming. It would take far longer to constantly be sending emails back and forth. I would keep it as a small group, probably less than 5. Maybe even only 2 or 3.

I'd volunteer some time to help out too.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Not a bad idea.

Only problem I see is you have to have mentees (is that a word?) who are willing to put up some cash to build their network.

Well Yeah but thats going to be the case either way you go. There is no network that anyone can point to that works that only has 100 .info domains. None. So you would have to lay money anyway to buy a couple thousand at least. I think its actually better for cash flow to go the other way with some Pr sites that immediately give your money sites umphh but thats getting into the debate again which I want to avoid. lets make this substantive real and to the point of newbies actually building a network by actually doing it and seeing the real results TO NEWBIES BUILDING THEIR OWN

Ditto on the rest. You would have to have video training of course but frankly I don't think a pdf and even an hour video session is going to do it. People get out there and start building and they have ongoing questions. thats what I was referring to with hand holding. By the way this isn't some idle suggestion. I am ready to go forward now if it is of interest.

[MikeFriedman]

No an hour wouldn't be enough.

I would probably do it like this. A 90-minute opening webinar to give the general concepts and ideas behind setting up the network. Then maybe twice a week host a 30 to 60 minute webinar for Q&A.

Maybe put together a PDF that outlines a few of the most important things... like evaluating a domain before buying it. Actually, that is probably the biggest thing. If you buy good, high PR domains, even if you don't know exactly what you are doing from there but can setup a couple of sites with backlinks you will still boost your rankings noticeably.

[Mike Anthony]

PDf is almost done. I've had so many PM requests for it I went ahead on that rather than covering it all by PM. thats when I realized PDfs and even videos (which could be done in hours) were a joke for this material. Really needs hands on but if theres no test in this thread from the other perspective than I guess my idea would die.

[trishseo]

Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by trishseo

Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.

I don't build my networks with autoblogs so networks per se are not what networks are about.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

but if theres no test in this thread from the other perspective than I guess my idea would die.

I just sent you a PM about this.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by trishseo

Since Panda, autoblogs won't get traffic from Google no matter what you do. You can still get traffic outside of Google but don't depend on the big G to help you monetize. Honestly to me this is a strategy that's outdated and you probably need to rethink it.

Nobody is talking about autoblogs here. I think you missed the point. Nonetheless, there are quite a few people having success with autoblogs, even post Panda. You just have to know what you are doing.

[IM Ash]

Hey guyz,

Sorry to butt in here but I have a question that is partially related!

Will building a network of about 30-50 high PR blogs that only accept unique content be viable? Will a services of this nature that offers guest posts for a fee thrive?

The blogs will be well maintained and all content will have to pass copyscape before it is published. Comments will be moderated and a social footprint can even be added or manufactured

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

Will building a network of about 30-50 high PR blogs that only accept unique content be viable? Will a services of this nature that offers guest posts for a fee thrive?

The blogs will be well maintained and all content will have to pass copyscape before it is published. Comments will be moderated and a social footprint can even be added or manufactured

Yes very viable . Its already a done practice by some private networks. they get guest bloggers rather than autospin to their blogs. Works great and increases the value of their blogs Much more than one way to populate with content.

[MikeFriedman]

Elevan,

Like Mike said, there are a lot of networks out there offering that kind of service and thriving. Many are advertised here. But there are a lot elsewhere too.

[RevSEO]

Building a link network like this would be madness if you don't have a clue what you are doing.

Buying 100 or even 1,000 brand new .info's isn't gonna help you rank. These are brand new sites, probably hosted on the same server, and where do you plan to get content, backlinks, and everything else needed for these domains?

Honestly - try other network type link services before attempting to build your own. There's a lot of people that have developed some great services that know what they are doing and have a ton of experience.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Do we really want to start the successful WSO equals good SEo thing again so so soon. For the record there have been WSOs that made hundreds of thousands and product launches that made millions wihth hundreds of testimonials that didn't work a successfully for those who bought them. anyone watching IM for years has seen that happen

A successful WSO that is based on results that clients want is good SEO and is good business. A sustained successful SEO WSO has to be based upon results that paying clients want. It's really simple, .info sites do work for SEO or WSOs based on using them wouldn't be having the sustained success that they are. Repeat customers do not buy again and again if they didn't get what they wanted.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

A successful WSO that is based on results that clients want is good SEO and is good business. A sustained successful SEO WSO has to be based upon results that paying clients want. It's really simple, .info sites do work for SEO or WSOs based on using them wouldn't be having the sustained success that they are. Repeat customers do not buy again and again if they didn't get what they wanted.

Not getting into a debate again on that subject Marc. that thread was closed by the mods and we should respect their wishes without resurrecting the same things. In this thread its easy, simple and to the point. Getting newbies to the point of having their own network

At the end of a fixed period of time people I will put any network I have trained people to build against any network built by who you train. Both of course will have to start out newbies and with around the same amount of cash.

deal? No fussing no tussling. Would end up being a very productive thread without he said she said.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Not getting into a debate again on that subject Marc. that thread was closed by the mods and we should respect their wishes without resurrecting the same things. In this thread its easy, simple and to the point. Getting newbies to the point of having their own network

Please look at my first post in this thread, I am not interested in getting into those old issues either.

My point is that there is value with .info networks, period. To deny that is just not dealing with facts.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Please look at my first post in this thread, I am not interested in getting into those old issues either.

My point is that there is value with .info networks, period. To deny that is just not dealing with facts.

If you are not interested in getting into the old issue then lets not. Whats your answer to this -

"At the end of a fixed period of time people I will put any network I have trained people to build against any network built by who you train. Both of course will have to start out newbies and with around the same amount of cash.

deal? No fussing no tussling. Would end up being a very productive thread without he said she said."

[WhosGotMoves]

I know you mentioned that you've received a ton of PMs for the PDF but keep us updated. I'm highly interested in studying your addition to this thread. Although some of us aren't chiming in we are watching it closely.

[ebizman]

Guys,

Let's not start a debate on this thread. Only provide feedback on how to setup a private blog network and any tips, BASED on your success.

[mattlaclear]

Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

Edit: Other warriors will also tell you that high quality always beats high quantity. They undoubtedly also have the proof to back it up. Which proves my point that all links radiate link juice.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by WhosGotMoves

I know you mentioned that you've received a ton of PMs for the PDF but keep us updated. I'm highly interested in studying your addition to this thread. Although some of us aren't chiming in we are watching it closely.

Sorry guys. I thought it would have been a good study comparing the two approaches with a challenge. Would have got back useful data. Without that it really doesn't makes sense for me or really anyone to go into greater depth and detail . Yesterday a product that doesn't do even into half the amount of mentoring I was planning was released at $99 a pop. I guess Only so much is going to be given away for free on a forum.

Plus one of the problems I was having by PM is that it was impossible to figure out who is really serious and who isn't. I even got a PM indicating it would be harmful to just give out too much info and he was right. People who are not serious tend to wreck a good thing. So sorry on my part that kind of mentoring is for those who are serious not an open forum since the study/challenge has been declined (and for fair reasons I think).

Anyway in the last thread we already gave away information on both sides that could have been a WSO

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

pure Flame bait and showing no respect to the mods by initiating the EXACT same subject as the thread that was closed.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic...

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Remember when it comes to seo...high quantity ALWAYS beats HIGH quality. Always has and always will. We have the proof to back it up too.

Wow, this is an extraordinary comment from an SEO professional. I'm no SEO expert, but I am in a competitive niche and I always achieve a better return after securing a handful of high PR backlinks as opposed to a thousand n/a links. For this very reason I have changed my SEO strategy and I now focus on quality - the results have been tremendous.

What is also peculiar is once I secure say 10 high PR backlinks - my site will jump up the SERPs as soon as the pages the links are on are cached, but if I add a handful of Pr n/a links after securing these high PR links my site falls a few spots.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

ROLLLING OFL!!!

but seriously lets not get going with that again as per mods direction. Let it die or MATT will just use it to say look at me and my network (ranking for terms like " magic spells for beginners") for the next five pages. I'm out of that.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by simonbuzz

Info domains are not worth it...try purchasing some high pr domains...

mta.info PR8
prchecker.info PR8

Domain extension is not an indicator of PR or anything else.

PR is PR is PR.

Come on Mike A. You can expect, and handle, a little flame bait, right?
I always thought you were the master at lowering the heat.

You have to read between the lines. Consider this, what is better, a sig
link on the WF, or 100 links on 100 blogs/websites in your niche, all PR 2 or
below? Or even PR n/a, but still indexed? Seems to me you all are going for
something equal to quantity to begin with. And worrying about quality later.

Paul

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by paulgl

mta.info PR8
prchecker.info PR8

Domain extension is not an indicator of PR or anything else.

PR is PR is PR.

Paul

I think what he meant Paul was purchasing brand new .info domains with no PR versus purchasing existing domains with PR. He was responding to someone's comment above.

[ProfessorSeo]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

PM me. Would be kind of crazy to get into this again after the last thread was locked.

Lmbo yea i agree mike i followed the last post and it was crazy!