Does a back link from the same IP address count?

[BarryOnline]

I have around 15 sites, all are hosted on the same IP address & have the same registration details.

I was wondering, would it be possible to link from one of my sites to another, would it count as a back link or could it harm my sites?

I have one site which is a PR4 but it doesn't make much money, I was thinking about placing a link on this site that points to one of my other sites to help increase its ranking.

Good or bad idea?

[C Rebecca]

I would say Yes, They will be counted.

If the websites are niche related and their linking is helpful for the user, you can link them without any second thought.

This is called cross linking.

[cctvinstallers]

I have seen many sites that do this and are successful in the short term, but I wouldn't advise it as if google takes a dislike to one site , that may apply to all the linked sites.
I remember reading recently that google recommends using subdomains to link together, such as google uses itself.

[Kurt]

If you don't over-do it, you may get some positive benefits, but only if you are linking relevant pages.

If you over-do it, you may face a penalty or get deindexed if Google feels you are trying to game them.

[rakesh1600193]

Every link is counted if it is from valuable page that means if it is from from relevant content page or relevant site.

[halfpoint]

You should always try and get as much diversity as you can in your linking profile but I wouldn't say no to some extra links just because they were coming from sites hosted on IP's I already had links from.

I'm not sure I'd bother linking my money sites together, though.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by marshal france

Getting links from sites having same IP address is not advisable.

That's just flat out wrong. Why is this one of the biggest myths?

How about the WF? Delete your sigs...

How about internal linking? Some of the BEST backlinks you can get.

Why would you not exploit your own empire, same IP or not?

You'd be a fool not to.

Over do it? Man that's rich. Funny how the biggest and best loved
sites do not follow the advice here on the WF. I wonder why.

The world runs on shared IPs.

Again, delete your sigs. I'd hate for google to penalize you all for
having a zillion links from the same IP.

Those that know, fully exploit their dot com empires. And squidoo
lenses. And blogspot blogs. And hub. And EZA. And...anything
else that falls on the same IP.

Link sellers, host sellers, etc. all want you to buy into this garbage
about same IP crapola.

Doing bad things is doing bad things. It has nothing to do with the
same IP.

Paul

[CC]

That's my thinking Paulgl, I don't know how people miss that their sig links share the same IP as the Warrior Forum.

Thanks for pointing that out!!

Constance

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by paulgl

That's just flat out wrong. Why is this one of the biggest myths?

How about the WF? Delete your sigs...

How about internal linking? Some of the BEST backlinks you can get.

Why would you not exploit your own empire, same IP or not?

You'd be a fool not to.

Over do it? Man that's rich. Funny how the biggest and best loved
sites do not follow the advice here on the WF. I wonder why.

The world runs on shared IPs.

Again, delete your sigs. I'd hate for google to penalize you all for
having a zillion links from the same IP.

Those that know, fully exploit their dot com empires. And squidoo
lenses. And blogspot blogs. And hub. And EZA. And...anything
else that falls on the same IP.

Link sellers, host sellers, etc. all want you to buy into this garbage
about same IP crapola.

Doing bad things is doing bad things. It has nothing to do with the
same IP.

Paul

The difference is, all these links on the WF aren't pointing to a domain on the same IP as the WF, nor are they using the same whois details, etc.

You may want to research "google hilltop" before commenting any further.
google hilltop - Google Search

You also may want to reread the OP. Your examples are about having a lot of links from one IP pointing to another IP, or internal linking on the same domain. The OP's question is concerning CROSS-LINKING DOMAINS on the SAME IP/SERVER.

BTW, my sig points to the WF. It's an internal link and has nothing to do with the OP.

[IM Ash]

Nothing wrong with linking from the same IP. I do it all the time via internal linking

As for the benefit you will get - that's relative to various factors.

Why don't you just sell 5-10 links that are placed in the sidebar. @$10 per link you can make an extra $50-100 from that site each month.

[BarryOnline]

Originally Posted by Kurt

The difference is, all these links on the WF aren't pointing to a domain on the same IP as the WF, nor are they using the same whois details, etc.

You may want to research "google hilltop" before commenting any further.
google hilltop - Google Search

You also may want to reread the OP. Your examples are about having a lot of links from one IP pointing to another IP, or internal linking on the same domain. The OP's question is concerning CROSS-LINKING DOMAINS on the SAME IP/SERVER.

BTW, my sig points to the WF. It's an internal link and has nothing to do with the OP.

Yes, this is what I mean, linking from one site I own to another, all with the same IP, registartion details etc.

I was wondering if Google would be able to see that I'm linking from a site I own to one of my other site & not credit me for the link.

I'm just thinking because I have a PR4 site that I could use it to help increase the rankings of one of my other sites.

Seems to be mixed views on this.

[bidnessboi]

I have a network of similar themed sites which I have in a 6 site link wheel. They are all P1 of Google in competitive terms linking to one another. All on same GoDaddy Hosting account. I make no attempt to hide it. I have a public GoDaddy whois. They have been up for 2 years this way with no problems at all.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

Yes, this is what I mean, linking from one site I own to another, all with the same IP, registartion details etc.

I was wondering if Google would be able to see that I'm linking from a site I own to one of my other site & not credit me for the link.

I'm just thinking because I have a PR4 site that I could use it to help increase the rankings of one of my other sites.

Seems to be mixed views on this.

Hi Barry,

Yeah, lots of Cargo Cult thinking in SEO mythology. Fortunately, one can generally dig to find the truth.

Google wants you to link to pages that are relevant and useful to your users. That includes pages on the same website/domain, pages on the same IP/Class C network, and pages with the same whois registration data. Look around you will find many, many examples of this.

For starters take a look at this private network, same IP, same whois data, and lots of interlinking.

Wikipedia.org - Wikipedia
Wikimedia.org - Wikimedia Foundation
Wikibooks.org - Wikibooks
WikiNews.org - Wikinews
WikiQuote.org - Wikiquote
Wikisource.org - Wikisource
http://whois.domaintools.com/wikiversity.org


Naturally this doesn't apply to web spam. Google doesn't want you to create web spam and they will devalue it regardless of unique domains, unique whois data, unique IPs, or unique class Cs. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of it and probably trying to sell you something you don't need.

[Talat10]

I totally agree with Kurt on this one, don't overdo it, just let it look natural and you won't be panelized by linking relevant pages on the same ip address.

[warrich]

The links would be counted as separate links but they would have little value as compared to the same number of sites hosted differently and then if they were internlinked. Now those links would have a greater value.

[JamesGw]

Most people seem to think that multiple links from the same c-block don't count as much as those from different c-blocks. I'd tend to agree with this notion. There is some evidence that Google takes this into account, although I'm not sure if there was ever an official statement regarding it. I think it was more along the lines of some patent filings.

That said, you'll also want internal links and multiple links from the same domain will certainly not hurt you. You'll just see diminishing returns, presumably following a logarithmic curve.

[dburk]

Originally Posted by warrich

The links would be counted as separate links but they would have little value as compared to the same number of sites hosted differently and then if they were internlinked. Now those links would have a greater value.

Hi warrich,

Google doesn't count the number of links they count the value of links. While getting backlinks from a diverse group of websites is beneficial, it has nothing to do with IP addresses and everything to do with potential traffic sources.

Creating a new page with a backlink pointing to your target page has the same value whether it is on the same IP address or a different one. The value changes only when you link other pages that backlink page, and only by the amount of potential traffic sources that feed that page. It's based on the random surfer model as described in the original PageRank whitepaper. Nothing to do with IP addresses.

Originally Posted by JamesGw

Most people seem to think that multiple links from the same c-block don't count as much as those from different c-blocks. I'd tend to agree with this notion. There is some evidence that Google takes this into account, although I'm not sure if there was ever an official statement regarding it. I think it was more along the lines of some patent filings.

That said, you'll also want internal links and multiple links from the same domain will certainly not hurt you. You'll just see diminishing returns, presumably following a logarithmic curve.

Hi James,

Again, nothing to do with IP addresses and everything to do with increased potential traffic sources. The well documented PageRank algorithm accounts for any difference you see that might, mistakenly be attributed to IP addresses, or different c-blocks. As soon as you isolate c blocks from traffic sources the differences disappear.

[Mikeys]

It helps, but it really is about link value and also link diversity.

[David Ogden]

I really do not understand why there are so many posts about back linking on WF does nobody read what other people people are posting. I suspect that many are starting threads here to build back links to their own site rather than get an answer to a question.

All back links count no matter where they come from, it is unwise however to link from certain dubious sites. Linking your sites together with common keywords is good practice.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by Kurt

The difference is, all these links on the WF aren't pointing to a domain on the same IP as the WF, nor are they using the same whois details, etc.

Huh? Those links are on same IP. Sorry I thought the question was:

" Does a back link from the same IP address count?"

Oh. Silly me. The question was actually:

" Does a back link from the same IP address count?"

My mistake.

Wikipedia is a hotbed of internal linking...So is every other big site,
from ebay to amazon, from failbog, to gasbuddy's empire...same
friggin' IP.

See, linking in your own sites is the best kept secret online. Why,
I have noooooooooooooooooooo idea.

A backlink you generate on your own empire is one the best and safest
links to get. IP does not matter.

The internet world runs on shared IPs.

Paul

[smoreyjinza]

This is a very interesting thread. I have always heard that getting links from different ip addresses is very important. I have noticed that sites with a lot of internal links seem to rank really well like Amazon and wikipedia. I think if the site are relevant then there is no harm in linking them together.

[HappyGayleen]

What an interesting thread! I have been so intimidated by "SEO" and now I'm learning it's a lot about page rank and backlinks. I used to have a makeup website that had about 100 pages with lots of internal links -- now I understand why it ranked so high in Google! I did link out to a few other sites, but didn't have other sites linking to mine.

I'd say this is proof the internal linking is a good thing.

And, yes, I said, used to. Hmmmmm maybe I should update that site and sell it to a working distributor of the products I represented.

[John Moore]

It will help, drip feed your links in and don't over abuse it.

[julianbooth123]

You should not do it as the links from the same IP may be counted as spam.

[WhiteLabelOutsourcing]

What? That's a complete hoax and have been of the IM myths that have been circulating for years. If backlinks coing from the same IP would devastate any SEO efforts, then there's no such thing as on-page SEO and you might as well delete your sigs from forums.

[DavidWincent]

Yes, I too believe that the backlinks from the same IP address are counted and do not matter much, but as far as credits are concerned, having backlinks from different IP's creates a difference.

[Srinagarhouseboats]

The link will count but to give more benefit . These links give little benefit