How can people offer '1st-page Google SEO services'?

[GoldPro]

Well, I've seen many people offering services that provide 1st-page Google results. How is this possible? Are they using some sort of software? Or do they have 1000s of sites and they just put your link on each one of them?

[sbucciarel]

The one I use, Matt LaClear's service ... he has a large private network and he posts the links (100 per day) until you reach page one. I have two orders in ... one has already reached page one for numerous keywords and the other is still being worked on.

[highrank]

I can assure you that it is very possible, but it depends entirely on the keywords you are trying to rank for.

I would assume that any decent SEO company would have a network of websites available to them in a majority of the most popular niches, so that any banklinks have maximum affect.

You really don't need 1000's of backlinks to get a page #1 ranking. Just one backlink on a single website can get you a page 1 ranking.

I despise backlinking software, it just seems like cheating and I very much doubt it will work in the long run. So any SEO company using these methods are not likely to have a good reputation.

Hope that helps

[DPM70]

The answer to your question is - both. They use software to put out the content with your links and they will post to a network of sites. I also use Matt, and it works.

One of the things to realise, though, is that you can be at numbers 5-10 on page 1 and get next to no traffic. You often really need the sweet spot (positions 3 to 1) to actually get that traffic for any particular keyword. It always varies depending on the keyword.

But, yes, people can offer page one of google, but if you end up in position 9 or 10 you might be getting no more traffic than you were in the first place. You might need to be committed to that keyword to take it higher to where the traffic is - on top of that service.

[Latsyrc]

I've thought about using Matt's service. Most of my kewords are 2-3 words...however, there is one keyword in particular that is only 1 word. Will he try and aim for 1 word keywords or do they have to be at least 2 words? Sorry for the ignorance...I'm just now learning about private blog networks and backlinking services.

[b1833]

I think a lot of the just run presetup nuke runs over and over on auto.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by GoldPro

Well, I've seen many people offering services that provide 1st-page Google results. How is this possible? Are they using some sort of software? Or do they have 1000s of sites and they just put your link on each one of them?

Both. Some people use software and do blasts and some use 1,000s sites and put your link on them. First page isn't where the action is though so its not as hard as it sounds

there is various research as to the click through rate on the front page
Google Organic Search Click Through Rate Statistics | Fortune3 Blog

Top Google Ranking Captures 18.2% of Clicks [Study] - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)


But generally everything after position 3 and 4 gets little traffic. None of the services you see guarantee to get you where the traffic is so their value is limited (but it does have value for some search results.)

[yukon]

Originally Posted by highrank

I can assure you that it is very possible, but it depends entirely on the keywords you are trying to rank for.

I would assume that any decent SEO company would have a network of websites available to them in a majority of the most popular niches, so that any banklinks have maximum affect.

You really don't need 1000's of backlinks to get a page #1 ranking. Just one backlink on a single website can get you a page 1 ranking.

I despise backlinking software, it just seems like cheating and I very much doubt it will work in the long run. So any SEO company using these methods are not likely to have a good reputation.

Hope that helps

This!

You don't need 100's of backlinks per page, most times a few authority links will get the job done.

Assumes your not trying to rank for the keyword insurance.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Both. Some people use software and do blasts and some use 1,000s sites and put your link on them. First page isn't where the action is though so its not as hard as it sounds

there is various research as to the click through rate on the front page
Google Organic Search Click Through Rate Statistics | Fortune3 Blog

Top Google Ranking Captures 18.2% of Clicks [Study] - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)


But generally everything after position 3 and 4 gets little traffic. None of the services you see guarantee to get you where the traffic is so their value is limited (but it does have value for some search results.)

Maybe, but If your getting no traffic or very little traffic at #3-10 in the SERPs, I doubt very much the #1 position is worth fighting for.

[Miguelito203]

Those case studies are quite interesting. I love stuff like this.

Joey

[MikeFriedman]

The trick is that they don't let you pick just one keyword and they retain the right to refuse a keyword if they choose. Makes it pretty simple.

[cctvinstallers]

The companies who have phoned me offering top positions only offered obscure long tail key phrases. When I asked them if they could do it for a two word phrase they "had to speak to the boss" and came back with a quote for thousands per month.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by yukon

Maybe, but If your getting no traffic or very little traffic at #3-10 in the SERPs, I doubt very much the #1 position is worth fighting for.

Why would that be? Lets take the optify data in the link. Frankly the others look too low to me . First place gets 36% of a keywords volume 6th place gets 4% so thats 9 times less amount of click throughs from position 1 to position 6

Position 10 which is still first page gets you 18 times less traffic.

so a keyword that gets 330 per day in google (10,000 per month approx) would give you say seven lousy visits a day at 10. Position 6 would give you 14 and one would give you well over a hundred. all rough numbers

Agree with you on the quality over quantity. See it every day.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by counselormom

I've thought about using Matt's service. Most of my kewords are 2-3 words...however, there is one keyword in particular that is only 1 word. Will he try and aim for 1 word keywords or do they have to be at least 2 words? Sorry for the ignorance...I'm just now learning about private blog networks and backlinking services.

I remember reading that Matt's service is two words or more to guarantee Google.com page one.

I gave him a challenging one to work on to say the least. It's a brand new .ca that he guaranteed to rank in the first page of Google.com. It's the loan industry too. Might be tough.

[Latsyrc]

Thank you for letting me know! Good luck on your website!

[donkiston]

I am also offer first page Google SEO website service. but i give a time to person who hire me, about 6 month to get first position in Google ranking.

[mikelmraz]

Originally Posted by GoldPro

Well, I've seen many people offering services that provide 1st-page Google results. How is this possible? Are they using some sort of software? Or do they have 1000s of sites and they just put your link on each one of them?

Since the most important factor in ranking high in Google is backlinks, those services that are able to get many link, high quality links or both, are able to most likely bring your website to page #1.

[kkchoon]

Why not, as long as you know how to rank a site, you can offer similar services, but most of these services are automated.

[PatrickP]

You may want to google matt laclear scam to get better insight.

[dreamyhost]

It is possible but it cost a lot

[VladWorks]

Most decent SEO companies won't tell you right away you will reach page 1 or position 1 or whatever. We do however provide a road map we intend to follow to get where you want to go. We generally provide a timeline and cost structure for how long it will take so there is no misconceptions.

Any site where you can just pay online, auto-submit your keywords and wait for a rank....probably wont get the results you need.

[PatrickP]

What about a company that had a MAJOR purple cow (stealing a term from Seth Godin) by telling people ok we will get you to page 2 on Google for X amount Page 1 Y amount and top 2 spots and we charge you Z.

They get your credit card but do NOT charge it until you get up on page 1 or 2.

Now THAT would get attention I would think.

[PromoDirect]

There are several methods of bringing the website in top ranking. The most important is the keyword you are targeting. Many companies however fails in achieving the position for their clients in search engines. We must also understand that when there is a company that offers you this service, they have experts with them who are experienced.

[JamesM]

My employer once received a fax claiming #1 first page rakings for clients. When I was shown the screenshot I pointed out that the #1 "ranking" they were bragging about was in fact a paid AdWords ad.

A very sneaky tactic that could fool the unwary and unknowledgable.

[aliduncan]

Originally Posted by PatrickP

What about a company that had a MAJOR purple cow (stealing a term from Seth Godin) by telling people ok we will get you to page 2 on Google for X amount Page 1 Y amount and top 2 spots and we charge you Z.

They get your credit card but do NOT charge it until you get up on page 1 or 2.

Now THAT would get attention I would think.

There are a few sites that do pretty much just this such as SEO Services | RankPay™

They can be a bit on the costly side though.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by PatrickP

They get your credit card but do NOT charge it until you get up on page 1 or 2.

Now THAT would get attention I would think.

I think SEOs would go for this except for One BIG problem. The fact that we have your credit card does not guarantee we get payment. Having the number does not insure there is money on it to pay the bill.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I remember reading that Matt's service is two words or more to guarantee Google.com page one.

I gave him a challenging one to work on to say the least. It's a brand new .ca that he guaranteed to rank in the first page of Google.com. It's the loan industry too. Might be tough.

But Melissa, you also had to give 4 other keywords, which are probably not as difficult. That particular service guarantees to get 1 of your keywords to the first page, not all of them. So even if you supplied 1 that is "tough", one of your other words is likely to get to page one first, and then he has done what he promised.

[PatrickP]

You do realize the irony of that right? lol one BIG problem now is an SEO says they will improve ranking and you pay THEM first and it does not insure there is work done to improve ranking

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by PatrickP

You do realize the irony of that right? lol one BIG problem now is an SEO says they will improve ranking and you pay THEM first and it does not insure there is work done to improve ranking

Next time you are sick, tell your doctor that you will pay him/her after you are cured. Let me know how that works out for you.

[PatrickP]

Originally Posted by aliduncan

There are a few sites that do pretty much just this such as SEO Services | RankPay™

They can be a bit on the costly side though.

Ah very cool! Thanks!

[seocatalysts]

Originally Posted by GoldPro

Well, I've seen many people offering services that provide 1st-page Google results. How is this possible? Are they using some sort of software? Or do they have 1000s of sites and they just put your link on each one of them?

Its not useful to just make a bunch of links on day by day...Link quality is more important...

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by aliduncan

There are a few sites that do pretty much just this such as SEO Services | RankPay™

They can be a bit on the costly side though.

Might want to read the FAQs here


FAQ | RankPay

Reading between the lines they start to charge you if there is any positive ranking change. In other words not when you get to the top. Its a pretty good model for you out all it insures is that there is something done. th ened result may still not happen. Or I could be reading it wrong.

[aliduncan]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Might want to read the FAQs here


FAQ | RankPay

Reading between the lines they start to charge you if there is any positive ranking change. In other words not when you get to the top. Its a pretty good model for you out all it insures is that there is something done. th ened result may still not happen. Or I could be reading it wrong.

I haven't actually used the service myself so I'm not entirely sure, but my understanding was that there is a monthly payment which is based on your ranking position.

So if you don't get to a certain position in the ranking then you won't be charged. However, as you move into a high position (not exactly sure how high) you get charged a certain amount based on the competitiveness of your keyword. The higher your ranking is, the more you are charged. So a number one spot will cost more than just a ranking at the botom of page one.

It's basically payment on results based ranking. I had a look to check pricing and it can carry quite a large price tag though, so it's not for everyone.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

But Melissa, you also had to give 4 other keywords, which are probably not as difficult. That particular service guarantees to get 1 of your keywords to the first page, not all of them. So even if you supplied 1 that is "tough", one of your other words is likely to get to page one first, and then he has done what he promised.

I'll let you pick the easy one:

car loan
car loans
auto loan
auto loans
bad credit

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I'll let you pick the easy one:

car loan
car loans
auto loan
auto loans
bad credit

I actually don't think car loan or car loans are that difficult. They won't happen overnight, but page one is not that tough on either of them. Top 5, forget it.

That is based on US results. If you are looking for search results in another country, I would have to look at those keywords again.

[chiragparnami]

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my skype id - chirag.parnami
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[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I actually don't think car loan or car loans are that difficult. They won't happen overnight, but page one is not that tough on either of them. Top 5, forget it.

That is based on US results. If you are looking for search results in another country, I would have to look at those keywords again.

I'm using Matt's service on my home site as a drip feed to juice my more locally targeted four sub domains for which I have four targeted campaigns running. It doesn't really matter to me how long it takes, actually I prefer a slow rise to page one.

"car loans" and "car loan" wont be difficult for a brand new .ca domain to rank on page one of Google.com? I think this will be a true test of Matt's service.

[mattlaclear]

Originally Posted by PatrickP

You may want to google matt laclear scam to get better insight.

To date we have had 3 people report us as scammers over the last 18 months. Each of those people threatened to do so if we didn't give in to the threats they were making. I told them each to go jump into the lake. Just like I'm telling you now.

Do the math champ.

[mattlaclear]

I see the same haters speaking out against our service on every thread, Also I see the testimonials from customers on those threads outweighing the haters. Jealousy no doubt.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I see the same haters speaking out against our service on every thread, Also I see the testimonials from customers on those threads outweighing the haters. Jealousy no doubt.

Reading the shock of some people in your testimonials that you actually achieved page one when they didn't think you had a hope in hell is what sold me on your service Matt.

I do agree that your WSO's success is resulting in all the envy. Just think of it as free advertising.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I'm using Matt's service on my home site as a drip feed to juice my more locally targeted four sub domains for which I have four targeted campaigns running. It doesn't really matter to me how long it takes, actually I prefer a slow rise to page one.

"car loans" and "car loan" wont be difficult for a brand new .ca domain to rank on page one of Google.com? I think this will be a true test of Matt's service.

No I don't think either of those terms would be extremely difficult to get onto page one. Matt's service will probably get you there. I wouldn't expect it in two months or anything, and I'm sure Matt would tell you the same thing. Those are some keywords that will take awhile. I don't think you will find yourself breaking into the top 5 though without doing a lot of additional work on your own.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Those are some keywords that will take awhile. I don't think you will find yourself breaking into the top 5 though without doing a lot of additional work on your own.

Thanks Mike but the top five is not my goal. Those keywords wont make mike me a dime anyway. For the car loan niche I need to target localized traffic (provincial in my case). That's the purpose of my sub domains.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I do agree that your WSO's success is resulting in all the envy. Just think of it as free advertising.

Why is it exclusively against Matt service? For what its worth I would point out my figures on click throughs for any service and did just awhile ago because the OP wasn't specifically talking about Matt's. The other Mike has routinely on other threads talked about what really competitive serps are. Here you are new and might not have known this -

http://www.warriorforum.com/search.p...rchid=10697361

SEE? - There are multiple services on WF that guarantee first page placement and thats why the Op said plural plus they all have testimonials that work (some more expensive and some cheaper) so this isn't a thread about one service.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

Thanks Mike but the top five is not my goal.

Word to the other Mike . Give up trying. When someone says they Don't want to rank at the top they just are looking to get to the first page there is no winning

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

...this isn't a thread about one service.

I do realize that Mike A. I joined in this thread to answer someone's question about, specifically, Matt's service to which I was familiar with and knew the answer. It evolved the way it evolved. Matt came on and seemed defensive so I just pointed out that he should be happy with all this attention he is getting.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Word to the other Mike . Give up trying. When someone says they Don't want to rank at the top they just are looking to get to the first page there is no winning

Urgh!! Please read my previous post as to why I joined up with Matt's service. It's purpose is to indirectly help me with keywords that matter to me. For those targeted sub domains I want to live at position #1 for all eternity on Google.ca!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

It evolved the way it evolved. Matt came on and seemed defensive so I just pointed out that he should be happy with all this attention he is getting.

I understand where you are coming from its just that you kind of stepped into No man's land with siding with the envy comment he made. He was taking a slap at seeing some people's names on this thread that have had strong disagreements with him in the past about over valuing first page placement over positions that get traffic.

You probably were not aware of that history but it is a disagreement that is based on principle and would apply to the value of ANY first page placement service not just matt's. In short you agreed to a characterization that is entirely false and insulting.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

He was taking a slap at seeing some people's names on this thread that have had strong disagreements with him in the past about over valuing first page placement over positions that get traffic.

You probably were not aware of that history but it is a disagreement that is based on principle and would apply to the value of ANY first page placement service not just matt's. In short you agreed to a characterization that is entirely false and insulting.

I have been reading the recent arguments so I do know what you are saying. My feeling is that for $99 I'm going to receive a foundation in the middle of a giant ocean from which I can build my dream home.

[ElectronPlumber]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Why would that be? Lets take the optify data in the link. Frankly the others look too low to me . First place gets 36% of a keywords volume 6th place gets 4% so thats 9 times less amount of click throughs from position 1 to position 6

Position 10 which is still first page gets you 18 times less traffic.

so a keyword that gets 330 per day in google (10,000 per month approx) would give you say seven lousy visits a day at 10. Position 6 would give you 14 and one would give you well over a hundred. all rough numbers

Agree with you on the quality over quantity. See it every day.

I've noticed that clicks are not equal here either. Those seven lousy visits a day are actually just that, lousy visits! The person you likely want at your site, the impulse buyer/clicker, is going to click on the first or second link. The people who bother to look down the page are likely hunting for something out of the norm and likely won't find it at your site either.

So position #6 might get you 4% of the clicks, but you'll see only 1-2% of the sales you would get otherwise. I noticed this before but never had proof until I checked my data for the results I've been seeing in my link building experiment and saw it in action. I get more click throughs per visitor and sales per visitor on the #1 site than I get on the sites currently at position #6 and position #9. Details here: *July 27th UPDATE* Week 22: The Great SEO Link Building Service Experiment of 2011

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I have been reading the recent arguments so I do know what you are saying. My feeling is that for $99 I'm going to receive a foundation in the middle of a giant ocean from which I can build my dream home.

and because you dream thats the case you think its fine to join in on characterizing others who you don't know as jealous? Thats nice. let us know know when you rank for any of those terms. Dreams and feelings are a dime a dozen in IM.