$25,000 Adsense investment?

[him77]

My question is if you had $25,000 to invest in the development of Adsense websites what or how would you do it?

Just curious.

[paulgl]

It's a crazy question. I wouldn't.

Maybe buying a site off of flippa is one option.

Paul

[RayW]

Contrary to popular belief, adsense is a pretty terrible way to monetize, imo. You need a SERIOUS amount of traffic to earn a decent amount of money.

[PatrickP]

What is a better way to monetize?

[imdomination]

CPA or CPS. Personally, with 25k I would develop my own product and sell that.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by raxr

Contrary to popular belief, adsense is a pretty terrible way to monetize, imo. You need a SERIOUS amount of traffic to earn a decent amount of money.

Define "decent money."

It's free. It's easy. Dang easy to make $100 a month. By doing very
little. That's $1200 a year.

How about a little bit like $5 a day? That's $150 a month. $1800 a year.

Nothing is as easy as adsense.

There's a TON of people who would love to add $150 to their bottom
line each month.

Now a $25,000 investment is not very practical for the average person.

But have you seen the sites on flippa? This site sold for $80,000 on flippa:
school-grants.org
based solely on adsense earnings.

Now even if I had $25,000 to invest in adsense, I wouldn't.

So the question is kind of inane, but adsense income can be real
and fairly decent.

Depending on your definition of "decent."

It's not too out of the question for a normal chap to boost adsense to
at least $500 a month. That's a respectable figure for income that is
pretty easy and hardly time consuming.

The only way anyone should invest $25,000 in an adsense site is
to buy an established, income earning site. That's a better bet than
any new SEO, content, links, etc.

Paul

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by raxr

Contrary to popular belief, adsense is a pretty terrible way to monetize, imo. You need a SERIOUS amount of traffic to earn a decent amount of money.

Where do you find all of this great information you come up with?

[RayW]

The guys who run the Adsense Flippers blog have hundreds of adsense sites and they don't make that much from adsense according to their income reports.
There's a youtube user named Lisa (from 2createawebsite.com) who showed her earnings (she makes about $4500-$6000 every month) but her site gets a TON of traffic (it's ranked 1st and 2nd for the keyword "how to create a website" which gets about 135,000 exact searches per month). And the cpc for the keyword ("how to create a website") is fairly high (>$2). According to websiteoutlook, the site gets more than 224,000 pageviews/day.

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

Where do you find all of this great information you come up with?

If i recall correctly, you said you had 37 sites up and making $300/day, right? $300/day equals $9000/month, which is almost twice as much as the 2createawebsite site, meaning your sites would have to be getting twice as many daily pageviews (448,000). So on average, each of your sites get about (448,000/37) 12,108 pageviews/day? And you managed to make all these sites in 3 months?

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by raxr

The guys who run the Adsense Flippers blog have hundreds of adsense sites and they don't make that much from adsense according to their income reports.
There's a youtube user named Lisa (from 2createawebsite.com) who showed her earnings (she makes about $4500-$6000 every month) but her site gets a TON of traffic (it's ranked 1st and 2nd for the keyword "how to create a website" which gets about 135,000 exact searches per month). And the cpc for the keyword ("how to create a website") is fairly high (>$2). According to websiteoutlook, the site gets more than 224,000 pageviews/day.



If i recall correctly, you said you had 37 sites up and making $300/day, right? $300/day equals $9000/month, which is almost twice as much as the 2createawebsite site, meaning your sites would have to be getting twice as many daily pageviews (448,000). So on average, each of your sites get about (448,000/37) 12,108 pageviews/day? And you managed to make all these sites in 3 months?

Actually on average, Raxr, I receive about 6.5-7k unique pageviews a day together. The average, well roughly 200-250?

Your calculations are very, very off.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

Actually on average, Raxr, I receive about 6.5-7k unique pageviews a day together. The average, well roughly 200-250?

Then there is no way you are making as much as you claim you are from adsense.

[BlakeM]

Originally Posted by raxr

The guys who run the Adsense Flippers blog have hundreds of adsense sites and they don't make that much from adsense according to their income reports.
There's a youtube user named Lisa (from 2createawebsite.com) who showed her earnings (she makes about $4500-$6000 every month) but her site gets a TON of traffic (it's ranked 1st and 2nd for the keyword "how to create a website" which gets about 135,000 exact searches per month). And the cpc for the keyword ("how to create a website") is fairly high (>$2). According to websiteoutlook, the site gets more than 224,000 pageviews/day.



If i recall correctly, you said you had 37 sites up and making $300/day, right? $300/day equals $9000/month, which is almost twice as much as the 2createawebsite site, meaning your sites would have to be getting twice as many daily pageviews (448,000). So on average, each of your sites get about (448,000/37) 12,108 pageviews/day? And you managed to make all these sites in 3 months?

You have a really closed-minded attitude. Authority sites are notorious for low CTR because there sites are less ad focused. You get paid by clicks, not impressions.

If he outsourced 37 sites are highly achievable; with lots of motivation and start-up cash. That said, it is a big accomplishment and he should give himself a nice pat on the back

[Global365]

If you want to develop an adesense site I would take a couple grand and use that and put the rest of the money in a savings account. It takes time, not necessarily a big bankroll to develop a site. Find a good solid niche and populate the site with 100% pure, valuable content. It is going to take months but after the time and content you will have a valuable asset. I recently sold a adsense site that was only making 4 bucks a day for $1700.00 Don't go blowin your wad on one site, learn as you go...good luck

[RayW]

Originally Posted by BlakeM

If he outsourced 37 sites are highly achievable; with lots of motivation and start-up cash. That said, it is a big accomplishment and he should give himself a nice pat on the back

He was also constantly mentioning it while selling a course in his sig and getting extremely defensive when I criticized him.

[BlakeM]

Originally Posted by raxr

He was also constantly mentioning it while selling a course in his sig and getting extremely defensive when I criticized him.

Maybe he is lying, maybe he is not. That's not the point. The fact is, you can make a good, passive income with Adsense. Whether he does it or not, many do and make an entire living off of it.

I plan on it being the majority of my income for many, many years. The only reason I don't want it as my only income stream is because I don't want to get screwed over by not diversifying my income.

To the OP: Agree with the post on Flippa. Buy a couple successful sites (don't put all your eggs in one basket!!) and go from there.

[PatrickP]

How many multiples of net income per month, is a good price to pay for a website on Flippa?

[usearchme2]

Hello

There is a problem with your plan, what is the sites you invest $25,000 in, are kicked out of adsense ? its pretty strict remember ?

Ste

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by raxr

He was also constantly mentioning it while selling a course in his sig and getting extremely defensive when I criticized him.

Raxr, I wish I was as cool as you, really!

Even after the screenshot I showed you, I still get the nice little 'photoshopped' comment. Were you dropped on your head when you were a kid?

Anyway,

OP, I wouldn't recommend investing in Adsense, invest in something more long term.

[bhuff85]

Originally Posted by BlakeM

Maybe he is lying, maybe he is not. That's not the point. The fact is, you can make a good, passive income with Adsense. Whether he does it or not, many do and make an entire living off of it.

I plan on it being the majority of my income for many, many years. The only reason I don't want it as my only income stream is because I don't want to get screwed over by not diversifying my income.

To the OP: Agree with the post on Flippa. Buy a couple successful sites (don't put all your eggs in one basket!!) and go from there.

Exactly what BlakeM said. I started getting back into Adsense this May and have already made more off of Adsense than I ever did in the past. It's all about proper niche research.

@Raxr: Think about it - for example, if you create an Adsense sites in the MMO niche, your CTR rate may be fairly low. Why? Most of those who are involved in this niche market are already aware of Adsense ads, thus resulting in "ad blindnes". Just like BlakeM said, most large authority sites have extremely low CTR, rather than those micro niche sites that are extremely focused on one particular topic and that topic only.

One of my particular niches has several sites built around it, and the CTR is great. I typically receive anywhere from 12 to 18 percent CTR on most of my sites, and that's because I'm serving relevant ads catered to my audience. I'm already doubling my Adsense income each and every month as a result.

The reason I've decided to add Adsense into my montly income stream is because of how easy it is to earn money. With the right niches, you can make a killing. There are plenty of people here doing it every single day.

The formula is simple:

Find the right niche + the right keywords with a decent search volume & CPC + low competition on the 1st page of Google = Easy money in the bank

In short, if you want to make money from Adsense, get off your tail and put the work in. The results may come in slow at first, but once start to get a grasp of things and ramp up your efforts, the money will start to snowball.

Some guys have hundreds of sites and make thousands a month. Other guys have less and still do the same. Everyone has their own way of doing it. There's no right or wrong way. If you have a system in place and it makes you money each month, you're already 10 steps ahead of the rest.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

Raxr, I wish I was as cool as you, really!

Even after the screenshot I showed you, I still get the nice little 'photoshopped' comment. Were you dropped on your head when you were a kid?

Still angry I exposed your b.s? Sorry, it was only fair.

[NestZone]

Originally Posted by imdomination

CPA or CPS. Personally, with 25k I would develop my own product and sell that.

That is the best option, because you will earn more from your investment than what you will get from an adsense investment.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by bhuff85

Exactly what BlakeM said. I started getting back into Adsense this May and have already made more off of Adsense than I ever did in the past. It's all about proper niche research.

@Raxr: Think about it - for example, if you create an Adsense sites in the MMO niche, your CTR rate may be fairly low. Why? Most of those who are involved in this niche market are already aware of Adsense ads, thus resulting in "ad blindnes". Just like BlakeM said, most large authority sites have extremely low CTR, rather than those micro niche sites that are extremely focused on one particular topic and that topic only.

One of my particular niches has several sites built around it, and the CTR is great. I typically receive anywhere from 12 to 18 percent CTR on most of my sites, and that's because I'm serving relevant ads catered to my audience. I'm already doubling my Adsense income each and every month as a result.

The reason I've decided to add Adsense into my montly income stream is because of how easy it is to earn money. With the right niches, you can make a killing. There are plenty of people here doing it every single day.

The formula is simple:

Find the right niche + the right keywords with a decent search volume & CPC + low competition on the 1st page of Google = Easy money in the bank

In short, if you want to make money from Adsense, get off your tail and put the work in. The results may come in slow at first, but once start to get a grasp of things and ramp up your efforts, the money will start to snowball.

Some guys have hundreds of sites and make thousands a month. Other guys have less and still do the same. Everyone has their own way of doing it. There's no right or wrong way. If you have a system in place and it makes you money each month, you're already 10 steps ahead of the rest.

lol are people selling something in their sig the only ones talking about how great adsense is?

[yukon]

If I was starting over & had $25k for Adsense startup, I would get into Youtube/Adsense.

The traffic already exist on Youtube, all you need is videos that people want to watch.

Check out "Ray William Johnson" & his buddies that network their Youtube channels, I know this guy makes a killin on Youtube!

He post two new videos per week & always gets over 1 million views per video. His last video has 1,069,403 views & was posted yesterday the 22nd Aug.

I'm just now getting started with Youtube/Adsense (already a YT partner), & trying to get some of my web sites content uploaded in advance so I can focus 100% on creating new videos.

Youtube/Adsense is a perfect setup, it can't be spammed & very few people are already doing this (compared to YT traffic & existing videos).

I'll never be as big as Ray, just saying an awesome opportunity exist with Youtube earnings. With all that free traffic it's perfect for Adsense.

[bhuff85]

Originally Posted by raxr

lol are people selling something in their sig the only ones talking about how great adsense is?

I can see how you might think that. Then again, I only write about what I know. As someone who creates products from time to time, wouldn't it make sense that I only create them around what I have the most experience in?

So, yeah - of course my opinion is slightly biased towards Adsense. That's one of my main sources of income at this point in time. Wouldn't you prefer to have a discussion with people that are actually making money and seeing results in a particular field? If not, then I don't see what you're trying to accomplish, unless you want to open discussion with people who are just starting and don't know right from left.

As they say, two each his own.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by raxr

lol are people selling something in their sig the only ones talking about how great adsense is?

I'm not selling anything & I think Adsense is great!

I try to overlook anyone that makes any type of huge online income claim. How many people do you know offline that make great amounts of money offline & don't ever mention their income (almost never happens).

The reason it doesn't happen offline is because they have nothing to sell you, & it's not anyones business to know how much money they make.

[owenlee]

I would used $1000 to build mirco niche sites...and build traffic slowly to it...the money is more then enough!!!haha

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by raxr

Still angry I exposed your b.s? Sorry, it was only fair.

quit crying about everyone else's success and start doing something besides complaining on WF.

Your one of those stubborn people that have no friends and take it out on everyone else. What did Bhuff do to you? Nothing at all.

I'm laughing at you. If my stuff is B.S or not, why does it matter to you?

[Dellco]

Right now, I would not recommend investing so much into Adsense (unless you are already rich, and have so much money to blow). If you're talking five years ago, maybe...

When you have very big publishers/premium publishers complaining about the declining revenues, you have to take notice.

What is going on with AdSense? Is anyone else seeing a dramatic decrease in earnings? - AdSense Help

No doubt, Google keeps on saying their revenues from Adsense are increasing, but that is because they approve hundreds of new publishers each and every day. The last I heard was they had more than 1 million publishers (and that was some time ago).

It translates into more earning opportunities for Google, but overall, the pie is still shrinking FOR the publishers. And the current economic outlook is not too good, so that affects advertisers, which has a direct bearing on publisher income....

I do have a couple of friends who are making tons of money outside IM, and they ask me what's the best way to make passive income online. When I mention the best earners that I know of in Adsense, they reply that it's too little for too large an investment (relative to their income).

It depends on who you are talking to. A small Joe blogs would still welcome the income from Adsense, but that is after A LOT of investment on his part (time, money, sweat). And we have not even talked about the risks, like Google shutting you down, or your SERPs tanking, which happens all the time....

[futuremills]

25k to invest in adsense is not something i would do. You can make alot more with cpa, cps, your own offer etc. But like paulgl said adsense is pretty passive and easy so a nice fleet of adsense sites is a nice thing to have. With adsense sites you really do have passive income and can almost set up and forget it...almost, you still have to do work with them.

but if i had to invest 25k on just adsense, i would probably make 10 authority sites with with 25 plus pages. The sites would go after click happy niches that have a cpc of over 1.50 and over 10,000 exact searches. I would buy aged domains for my niche but for no more then $100. The rest of the money would be spent on seo. Within a couple of months i would want the sites to be earning 20-50 bucks per day

this is actually pretty similar to what i am doing now but without investing 25k on it

[inetbusinesslist]

Adsense is a free and easy way to make money, but you need to know that in order to start making money from it, your website needs to have a massive traffic.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

quit crying about everyone else's success and start doing something besides complaining on WF.

Sorry I questioned your pretend success. And when did I ever complain?... I was simply criticizing your outrageous claims.

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

Your one of those stubborn people that have no friends and take it out on everyone else. What did Bhuff do to you? Nothing at all.

And what did I do to him? Nothing at all.

Originally Posted by InTheMaking

I'm laughing at you. If my stuff is B.S or not, why does it matter to you?

Because I don't want new and inexperienced people here to fall for your crap and waste their money.

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by yukon

I'm not selling anything & I think Adsense is great!

I try to overlook anyone that makes any type of huge online income claim. How many people do you know offline that make great amounts of money offline & don't ever mention their income (almost never happens).

The reason it doesn't happen offline is because they have nothing to sell you, & it's not anyones business to know how much money they make.

It has nothing to do with selling anything, it has a lot to do with being successful beyond peoples belief and a little bit of bragging. Why not? I'm 18 years old and I got into IM in 2011.

Yes in fact, I do make the money I claim in the amount of time that I claim. I'll show you any screen shot you'd like to see.

I know I shouldn't be wasting my time on this forum either, but it bugs me when people like Raxr make nothing, absolutely nothing! and call me out on everything I post.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by raxr

If i recall correctly, you said you had 37 sites up and making $300/day, right? $300/day equals $9000/month, which is almost twice as much as the 2createawebsite site, meaning your sites would have to be getting twice as many daily pageviews (448,000).

Who made the 2createawebsite site the benchmark for all other sites? It doesn't mean that at all. $300 a day divided by 37 sites is a mere $8.10 a day per site....not exactly a difficult achievement. With the right keywords and the right site structure, you can do that on 100 visitors a day per site, or less. I do it every day with 30 sites and less than 10,000 page views a day, so you couldn't be more wrong about needing hundreds of thousands of page views. Just because you, the flipper dudes you were talking about and the create a website site owner don't know how to make decent money via Adsense doesn't mean the rest of us have to suck at it too.

[InTheMaking]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Who made the 2createawebsite site the benchmark for all other sites? It doesn't mean that at all. $300 a day divided by 37 sites is a mere $8.10 a day per site....not exactly a difficult achievement. With the right keywords and the right site structure, you can do that on 100 visitors a day per site, or less. I do it every day with 30 sites and less than 10,000 page views a day, so you couldn't be more wrong about needing hundreds of thousands of page views. Just because you, the flipper dudes you were talking about and the create a website site owner don't know how to make decent money via Adsense doesn't mean the rest of us have to suck at it too.

^^this..

Finally someone who knows his stuff.

[yukon]

Ok, I'll play along since the thread is now off topic.

[PatrickP]

Is that 22k per day?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by yukon

Ok, I'll play along since the thread is now off topic.

What a noob, $0 for "Adsense For Search", you're also still stuck at <1 mil page views/day. Come on.

[donkiston]

I invest this money for buying a popular adsense website for starting my new business.

[futuremills]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Who made the 2createawebsite site the benchmark for all other sites? It doesn't mean that at all. $300 a day divided by 37 sites is a mere $8.10 a day per site....not exactly a difficult achievement. With the right keywords and the right site structure, you can do that on 100 visitors a day per site, or less. I do it every day with 30 sites and less than 10,000 page views a day, so you couldn't be more wrong about needing hundreds of thousands of page views. Just because you, the flipper dudes you were talking about and the create a website site owner don't know how to make decent money via Adsense doesn't mean the rest of us have to suck at it too.

agreed, i just started on my adsense venture just two months ago. For one of my sites, I did the right kw research and picked good niches, now I am averaging $10-20 a day on a site that is getting around 100-150 unique visitors a day at around 150-200 page views. The site will be optimized more and probably double or triple that income when seo really kicks in. I want to own about 15 sites with this type of earning potential.

You dont need 225k page views to make money, just good niches and good content

[Cool Hand Luke]

A $25,000 investment in adsense seems wholly unnecessary and in a lot of ways, a waste.

First off, lets put the "Can you make a living off adsense" debate to rest. YES, you absolutely can. I've been astonished by the amount of money I made when I started making simple information sites loaded with REAL Value and REAL User content.

In terms of such a large investment- I guess I just don't get it if you're just starting out. When you have a successful plan with adsense that is already working for you, using several thousand dollars to hire outsourcers to set up, rank, and otherwise pump more money your way is a great idea.

As far as using 25k?! I don't think its needed until you already have a system to replicate. Don't buy these sites on Flippa. The reason they are sold so often is because they are very easy to create and monetize.

Spend or invest the 25k elsewhere. Learn how to make these sites and you'll be golden.

[Sabrina178]

Originally Posted by owenlee

I would used $1000 to build mirco niche sites...and build traffic slowly to it...the money is more then enough.

I might do the same

[James-]

lol Yukon... gotta love that CTR

[howinfo]

Originally Posted by him77

My question is if you had $25,000 to invest in the development of Adsense websites what or how would you do it?

Just curious.

I would keep investing it in our current site. Mostly on content to use on the site and on content to promote the site.

[TryBPO]

Originally Posted by raxr

The guys who run the Adsense Flippers blog have hundreds of adsense sites and they don't make that much from adsense according to their income reports.
There's a youtube user named Lisa (from 2createawebsite.com) who showed her earnings (she makes about $4500-$6000 every month) but her site gets a TON of traffic (it's ranked 1st and 2nd for the keyword "how to create a website" which gets about 135,000 exact searches per month). And the cpc for the keyword ("how to create a website") is fairly high (>$2). According to websiteoutlook, the site gets more than 224,000 pageviews/day.



If i recall correctly, you said you had 37 sites up and making $300/day, right? $300/day equals $9000/month, which is almost twice as much as the 2createawebsite site, meaning your sites would have to be getting twice as many daily pageviews (448,000). So on average, each of your sites get about (448,000/37) 12,108 pageviews/day? And you managed to make all these sites in 3 months?

Whoah...hold on there a second...we think we're doing ok! :-)

Seriously, though, you have some flaws in your 2createawebsite.com analysis. What if her ad placement is poor? What if her CTR is horribly low? Also, I'll say just because the GKT says it has a fairly high CPC does NOT mean it actually will in practice. The only thing we've found useful there is that if it says the CPC is going to be really low, it probably is. Anything else is not very useful or even very close to what we ACTUALLY see, to be honest.

I think you're right in that AdSense is one of the lower-end monetization methods...there are methods that will give you a much better RPU or revenue-per-unique. Check out FlipFilter's post on the subject which we think is excellent:
Why your Adsense Sites could be leaving money on the table

[Srinagarhouseboats]

I will try too build a good site that may receive huge traffic and spend more on its promotion

[markowe]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Who made the 2createawebsite site the benchmark for all other sites? It doesn't mean that at all. $300 a day divided by 37 sites is a mere $8.10 a day per site....not exactly a difficult achievement. With the right keywords and the right site structure, you can do that on 100 visitors a day per site, or less. I do it every day with 30 sites and less than 10,000 page views a day, so you couldn't be more wrong about needing hundreds of thousands of page views. Just because you, the flipper dudes you were talking about and the create a website site owner don't know how to make decent money via Adsense doesn't mean the rest of us have to suck at it too.

Agreed - my Adsense sites do about $8-$10 per 100 unique visitors (or even more if you only count SE traffic). The fact that people are creating gazillions of MFAs of which only 20% do anything is neither here nor there. Sure, I have had a few of those too, so I ditched them, but that does not mean you cannot make decent earnings from Adsense.

Also, I am not convinced an "authority site" earns less from Adsense - depends what you mean by an authority site. I understand where that idea is coming from - if you have an authority blog that goes into a lot of general industry stuff then you won't get so many sales/clicks. But what if you make an authority site providing expert help on hundreds of related problems (like eHow, but actually good advice )? That will get you tons of "problem-solving" traffic and would certainly qualify for the description of "authority site". Personally, having seen this work on a small scale, I would invest in creating or buying something along those lines.

[TryBPO]

Originally Posted by markowe

Agreed - my Adsense sites do about $8-$10 per 100 unique visitors (or even more if you only count SE traffic). The fact that people are creating gazillions of MFAs of which only 20% do anything is neither here nor there. Sure, I have had a few of those too, so I ditched them, but that does not mean you cannot make decent earnings from Adsense.

Hey Mark,

Why the disdain for gazillions of sites? We put quite a bit of work into creating a bunch of sites and have seen a decent return...isn't it just a different approach to the same goal?

Also...$8 - $10 per 100 uniques is NOT unreasonable. I think we're closer to $3 - $4, but we have a very large data set across a very wide selection of niches...if someone were more targeted this is definitely possible.

[markowe]

We-e-e-e-ll, in referring to gazillions of sites I was thinking of the model whereby all quality is sacrificed for quantity. Especially in relation to possibly running afoul of Adsense TOS sooner or later.

Hey, if you can put out hundreds of sites and still get a $3-$4 return per 100 uv then I guess that's not bad, but there are many who are following this model and just filling the Internet with junk, to be honest.

I have followed your progress and even though I couldn't honestly say I feel your sites are going to win any awards for content or design it seems they ARE passing muster in terms of quality with the Adsense people (especially since you have had direct contact with reps) - honestly, I am surprised since I know some quite public characters have been deindexed or banned for playing the volume game with Adsense. Quite how you are getting away with, basically, blatant MFA, is something of a mystery to me But you are obviously doing something right...

P.S. Still, it's just not a model I would feel comfortable with - seems like a fine line...

[TryBPO]

Yeah, Mark, I understand what you're saying. I would say that our sites have evolved quite a bit from our early creations...they look better, they read better, they answer a potential visitor's questions better, etc.

I do think you're misplacing MFA a bit, though. "MFA" was originally used to describe those sites that were simply domains with ads only...no content, not answering the original searcher's intent or intended questions, etc. People have since expanded MFA to include most sites that include AdSense. Wouldn't ANY site with AdSense now be qualified as MFA...unless they stumbled upon AdSense after the fact and decided to add it after they had their marvelous content posted?

Anyway, we've been testing out some "authority" sites or what you might called hyped-up and well-designed MFA sites recently. With current staffing, I think we could be pumping out 25-30 of those sites per month without too much difficulty...just some changes to the process. The question is whether or not those sites would have a better ROI or not. If they don't...why do it? I guess if they're CLOSE, there's the slight benefit of diversification...but they'd be pretty similar...relying on similar methods, traffic, and monetization.

I'd imagine if I was doing them myself with a VA or two I could get a similar $8 - $10 per 100 uniques...but some stuff does get lost in translation at scale and mixing in lots of other people, ideas, etc. Either way, it's quite a bit of work...I think we have 50+ man-hours in each day, not counting outsourced work, heh.

[markowe]

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I do think MFA is hard to define - my feeling is that Google tends towards a definition something along the lines of "a site providing little or no value to visitors, created solely to generate revenue from Adsense", and it's that they don't like.

However, judging by your experience, and by what many IMers are doing, Google tolerates MFA when defined as "Sites created with the aim of primary monetisation with Adsense". If they cracked down on all those I think Adsense revenue really would be impacted heavily. What is lacking in that second definition though is what kind of "quality" is acceptable. In all honesty, the content most of us are creating - especially when outsourced - is often little more than fluff that is intended to bore the visitor into clicking Adsense ads . Lately I am focusing mostly on improving this quality, to the extent that even a manual reviewer might read the article all the way through because they found it interesting/informative/amusing or whatever.

Actually, lately I have been writing a lot of vaguely witty stuff - you can write a funny article about almost any household object and keep the visitor reading, still earn the Adsense click and pass muster with a manual review because there is some entertainment value. After all, among 10 page one results about toilet seat covers, what's wrong with having at least one non-sales site that is more conversational, personal etc. in style..!

So for this hypothetical 25k, I might try to find a comedy writer or two

[BXPS]

Donet keep your eggs in one basket, try amazon, adsense, etc.