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Serious question. So think of a newbie like me who wants to make money online. Or we have a business that we want to see become more profitable. We see all of these advertisements for building backlinks, SEO service, etc. So I purchase a package. Then I begin to learn about black hat/white hat stuff and wonder if hiring a service is not ethical/legal? Is it? Is it not? Ok...not the act of hiring a backlink service, but the ACT of where the links go. I hate backlinking, so I just want someone to do it for me. Now I'm confused. Instead of me posting in forums, I would rather someone else do it. Can someone tell me what the deal is? I don't want to go to jail or something (read below why I ask about jail). BTW- I'm dead serious. I'm so confused now on what is proper. Edited to add: I'm asking mainly because what if my site goes somewhere that would be bad? I have no control over where all the links go if I am outsourcing this. Also, I didn't know if there were laws or something about this. I don't want to get sued by Google. Edited again: I probably didn't word it clearly the first time...well I didn't I guess. This is what I'm trying to ask: I hire a backlinking service. THAT company posts a backlink on a site THAT IS DOING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Can I get in trouble for this? That's my MAIN concern in a nutshell. For example- forum links. Let's say I find out that some of the forum links went to a site with illegal activity. For example, WHAT IF the porn site had underage kids on there or a site that sells whatever illegal stuff. Does this make sense? I obviously didn't know my links would go there. I'm just posting a concern. I will say THANK YOU all for helping me out yesterday with this concern. I feel better now that I won't get carted off to jail. . |
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you wont goto jail for back linking. i am not an attorney. as far as is it ethical? that all depends one who you ask. Ask a die hard spammer making 50k a month if spamming is unethical and he will give you 100 reasons why it is not. ask an anti spammer why spam is unethical, he will give you 100 reasons why it is unethical seems the only real important question is, will you goto jail backlinking or using a service to do it. the answer is no ( again i am not an attorney ) |
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Lol. Why should it be illegal?
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It's not illegal. Unwise and unnecessary, perhaps - but not illegal per se. ![]() (If it were actually illegal, it really wouldn't be allowed to promote it here). I think according to the consensus of opinion here, it's not considered unethical, either. Whether it's "moral" is, I suppose, a different matter for each of us to decide individually. My own opinion is that it doesn't matter much, realistically, because so few "backlinking services" produce anything like the benefits they claim, anyway. But as you can appreciate, saying that here doesn't make me very popular at all with people whose sig-files and/or websites are "of a certain type". ![]() For a while, "backlink selling" was actually prohibited in this forum, not so long ago. But now it's allowed again. ![]() Google's opinion, the last time I looked, is that backlinking ought to be "organic" and if they identify or suspect "paid backlinks" they do reserve the right to ignore them. Organic backlinks tend to be worth far more, because they tend to be from relevant sites. You know you've got quality content when people link to it voluntarily because they want to share it with others. Page ranks, and "numbers of backlinks" alone have a lot less to do with successful SEO, anyway, these days. One can readily see this from the regularity with which lower-PR pages with fewer backlinks outrank higher-PR pages with more backlinks, on Google's SERP's. Much though people selling backlinking services would prefer people not to know it, it turned out (especially after Google's last major algorithm change) that they couldn't hide the truth any longer: rankings are all about quality and relevance. Actually they have been for a long time: there's just a whole industry "out there" trying (with decreasing success) to deny it, because most of them haven't worked out how to make any money by selling services, that way. And it would kill some of those people to dig rather than selling shovels - they don't really know how to, and are better off pretending that their shovels still work. ![]() And I wish Google would simply abandon page-ranks altogether, rather than just downgrading their significance all the time while still trying to maintain that they do signify something - when it's increasingly clear to more and more authors, marketers and internet workers that they really don't mean anything worth talking about. |
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I use a service that puts the backlinks on their own network of sites. They do not spam forum with useless profiles or bombard blogs with spam comments. So it's all in how you go about it. It's not illegal at any rate. |
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Pretty much all backlinking is legal, and as far as ethical, thats up to you, but if backlinking is un-ethical in your mind, then you won't get far in the IM business
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We are here to make money, right??
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KenMichaels- Thanks for your response. Good points. Ilse- I guess I'm coming from the standpoint if your link goes somewhere that is bad. If you hire someone to build links for you and then it goes on a site that is illegal. Also, from Google's stand point, can they sue you if they find out you are building backlinks? The reason I brought up jail is incase your link ends up somewhere bad. Know what I mean? Alexa- Thanks for your insightful response. Good point about it being illegal that it wouldn't be here. I had no idea that it was not allowed here at one time. This is something I'm wondering...is hiring someone to build backlinks for you the same as "purchasing backlinks?" The reason I'm asking is let's say I'm contracting that part of my business out to someone as a service..is that the same as purchasing backlinks or am I purchasing the service? Does that make sense? I guess I never thought about it as purchasing backlinks... Also, I'm a little worried about where my backlink ends up...what if it is bad...that is also why I brought up the jail part? Thanks everyone for not making fun of me. I am one of those people who does worry about things because I really don't want to get in trouble! |
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And as far as ethics are concerned, it is really a matter of personal preference. | |
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Suzanne- Do you use Matt? I think I saw that on a forum. I would consider it if that is a blog network. |
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But it's not illegal per se. I'm not a lawyer, but really, not. Don't worry. I'll come and visit you. | |
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Technically speaking the purchase of backlinks is not considered White-Hat SEO. Speaking strictly of White Hat SEO you need to develop an array of link-baiting tactics to get people to naturally link to your site. This is debatable on just about every level, and has been argued more times than I think any of us care to admit. Regardless, you will not go to jail for link-building. The ethics of your own link building strategies mainly depend on what techniques you are implementing and your own personal definition of "right" and "wrong." For example there are plenty of optimizer's who won't bat an eye at using Xrumer to build thousands of weightless links to their sites. Others see this as link-spam and avoid it at all costs. Is purchasing links an unethical thing? In my opinion no, it is not. I liken it to advertising, and for those of us who seek out links to be built on niche related sites it appears to be just that--advertising. Think of link building as a way to increase exposure for your website, and if done properly one can really see the benefit of ranking for keywords and the traffic that comes with them. I could go on and on, but I think that is enough for now. |
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Yes, if your backlinks end up in a bad place, the SEO police are going to come knocking on your door! Couldn't resist. I've never really had any significant benefits from partaking in backlinking services. In fact, one time I had someone submit one of my sites to X number of directories and then I ended up in the Google sand box for a while. In the last year, I've done NO backlinking at all and my traffic and sales have still gone up considerably. Just posting to my blog, marketing to my list, and adding good content to my site works wonders. Regarding page rank, it actually does have benefits in that big fancy SEO companies that employ "important men in suits" with fancy titles like, "Managing Director of Strategic SEO Marketing" will pay you to put links on your site if it has a higher page rank. One such company is currently paying me to have an anchor text back link on one of my PR 3 pages. So, in that sense... PR is pretty important. |
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do you have any evidence to suggest it would be illegal? In any case it would only ever be a civil law offence, build as many backlinks as you want and the police will never come in a car to haul you away |
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LOL thanks Alexa. I didn't buy the Xrumer package...I purchased forum links and didn't even think about it being spamming because when I personally do it I post on the site as well. I just didn't think about it at the time because I'm desperate for higher rankings. (I thought maybe the forum links were on their own network, if that makes sense). LOL Christopher about the SEO police. My husband is getting on my case now for using a service. <sigh>I've made money online...now having that "taste" of it, I don't want to go back to a traditional job. Quote:
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You might be thinking of that rather high-profile company whose pages disappeared from Google for a while after it was found they had millions of dubious backlinks placed by an SEO firm they hired. fLufF -- |
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Yeah that is part of it. Does anyone know is it against Google's adsense policy or TOS to make backlinks that are "not organic"? I know they prefer it be that way, but is it actually against TOS? |
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P.S. and no you will never go to jail for creating backlinks or having them created for you, if that was the case then people would just go around creating "malicious" backlinks directed to their competitor's sites and get them sent to jail! | |
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If you (or your contractor) take actions consistent with gaming the search engine in order to artificially inflate search positions, you could be penalized. Because of the ease with which a competitor could create such an appearance, even that isn't often fatal. Take the given example of buying text links... Say you have a product that can be used to alleviate symptoms of a skin condition. You buy a text link with the name of that condition on a page about that skin condition. That could be considered legitimate advertising, because you could reasonably expect visitors to that site to click the link to your related site. Same scenario, but instead of a related site, you pay to put the text link in the footer of a blog on raising tropical fish, simply because it has a high pagerank. This link would likely be ignored because the reasonable expectation isn't there. You would be assumed to be linking purely for the link juice. Let's take another example. Same product. You create a forum account and profile on a forum devoted to health and beauty tips for teen girls. In your profile, and your sig file (if allowed), you link to your product information. Legit tactic. You create a forum account, with no posts, on a backwater quantum physics forum under the PR8 domain of a .edu institution. Pure play for link juice again, and the link is likely to be ignored. We could go through more examples, but I think you're plenty smart enough to get what I'm saying. Unless the package you bought slides over the line into outright fraud or something illegal on its own, you likely won't face consequences more severe than a lighter bank account and perhaps a temporary hit to rankings. On a side note, I agree with Alexa. About the only time pagerank means anything significant anymore is if you are trying to sell either linking services or the links themselves. | |
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Thanks for your response, yeah I get what you are saying. I think what I was concerned about is this: a link of mine goes on to a website that is "illegal in nature". Like they put the link on a forum where illegal activity goes on. That is what I was primarily worried about really after thinking about all of this. I am use to being in control of my backlinks, well, the ones that I know about that I do. Having someone else do it...well I don't know exactly what they are doing until I get the report. Then when I get the report, it has hundreds of links.
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but it's not a lot of time, they might give you up to 5 years if it's your first time backlinking offence. I hope this helps. | |
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It sure isn't illegal, but once such sort of an activity gets detected by a search engine, be assured that a plenty is waiting which has to be faced by your website....
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It is not illegal, if you having problems doing seo or don't have the time to, just hire someone who knows what he is doing. If you get a xrumer blast of 5K links once and never again than that is not too good for your site, but building links using services is totally ethical as long as your main site has good content. This is just my opinion, but if someone wants to make money online and has no idea about link building than he will fail such service will help you a bunch. |
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This is a very helpful thread, especially for a noob to SEO. I am glad to hear that it's not all about Google. What what I can gather it's all about relevance.
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Link building is not illegal or the whole web would go to hell since the links are the currency of the web. Is it ethical? I am not sure.. You are not really robbing anyone, you are just trying to get your website to rank high in Google by getting more links to it. I personally do not have a problem with link building (since thats what I do )
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| Go for it Paul. It may be easier than you may think. What get's me is that more vendors are not doing that here on the forum. But hey, as far as I'm concerned they can wait as long as they want to finally get to the task.
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What I think it's not illegal; cz we all are here to promote our business or promote services. Main purpose to make money?
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The whole "just create good content and people will link to you is BS" some people actually have commercial websites that don't generate content on a daily basis but get beaten by little autoblogs with a backlink strategy, this was me 5 years ago, had a great service that constantly got good feedback, however thin useless gateway sites beat me because they were link building, it's a hunt or be hunted world, when I started building links to compete with others my rankings increased and it's justified. It's not illegal at all, google isn't the government, you're allowed to sell advertising on your site and you should be purchasing advertising on other people's sites to compete in your market, just the way it is.
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I don't using a backlinking service is illegal, however you have to be careful where the service places your links, if they place it on a content farm, you might find your ranking diminishes significantly
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| I probably didn't word it clearly the first time...well I didn't I guess. This is what I'm trying to ask: I hire a backlinking service. THAT company posts a backlink on a site THAT IS DOING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Can I get in trouble for this? That's my MAIN concern in a nutshell. For example- forum links. Let's say I find out that some of the forum links went to a site with illegal activity. For example, WHAT IF the porn site had underage kids on there or a site that sells whatever illegal stuff. Does this make sense? I obviously didn't know my links would go there. I'm just posting a concern. I will say THANK YOU all for helping me out yesterday with this concern. I feel better now that I won't get carted off to jail. Quote:
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As many people have said, backlinks are in no way illegal whatsoever. But, if your purchasing them, you may wish to look into how the service is going to distribute them. This is because, if 1000s are spammed, then search engines could even ban your site from their results (Which of course is extremely bad for business) Just be careful when selecting the service provider, always check on trusted forums such as these and never make a decision based on testimonials on the site (for obvious reasons) |
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You have no control over who backlinks to your site, so how can it be illegal? this has to be the dumbest thread on here.
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If you have nothing productive to say that is not insulting, just don't post on here. Seriously, that is rude. Warrior Forum has a reputation of being friendly to beginners. Don't scare people away from wanting to ask question that may be perceived as "dumb". I asked a question because I want to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong because I care about my business and I am ignorant to this black hat/white hat stuff. |
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There isn't any reason why one can't buy link building services except if its poorly handled by the link building experts. Many of such companies practically do all the link building tactics we perform with more expertise and high success rate as well as avail you some tasky jobs.
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![]() Take 2, in plain English... The only penalty Google, or any other search engine, has for getting caught trying to game the rankings is either lowered rankings or no rankings at all. Because of the ease with which a competitor could engineer such an appearance, about the worst that will happen from 'hinky' backlinking is that the links will be ignored and your money wasted. counselormom, you won't suffer any legal liability (in my layman's - read 'unqualifed' - opinion) if your contractor puts a link to your site on a site involved with illegal activity. If, on the other hand, you were linking to that illegal site, it might be different. | |
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Good point. You're right. Thanks for answering. This thread really helped me feel better, lol. I'm over it now I believe, lol. ![]() Quote:
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i feel every thing un-ethical in seo. So what , i am doing it and making alot of money from it, and google is also recognizing my webs with some highly competitive keywords. So it is cool. Just dont blast them
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