IM SICK OF IT... SEO is childs play

[IM Ash]

You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anything that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

SEO is easy...

I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them about the potential of a certain opp and and then start charging them for your services... F**k u!!!!!

Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

Do your due dilligence... search the forum and you will find your answers...


You know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keywords that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

MY SEO Strategy.... its FREE

[ultraffiliation]

Yup. So what's the next step?

[lovboa]

Congratulations!

[yukon]

Amen brother!

[Steve Crooks]

Absolutely right, SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

There is an incredible amount of help offered here by many respectable marketers for newbies. If this sort of advice had been available when I was starting out, I wouldn't have made half the mistakes I made during the early years.

Unfortunately there are some charlatans out there but thankfully the reviews and advice offered here can help sort the wheat from the chaff.

[~kev~]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

SEO is easy...

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

Absolutely right, SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

What keywords do you rank in the top 5 for, out of say 20 million or more results?

[fin]

I tend to agree with the SEO part

Im only a newbie and had my site a month but already had 2400 visitors to my site and number 3, 7 and 16 for my 3 keywords.

Ive had 360 hoplinks and no sales so id say converting is the battle IMO

[Ru1N]

Many clients use SEO Specialists or companies because they do not have the time to do it themselves. SEO takes time, sure you can rank for Monkey Armpit Hair....does not mean it is being searched.

Build a solid foundation with longtail keywords and quality content. Build some quality traffic driving links. Once you begin ranking high for your longtail, begin creating new content that slightly broadens your longtail. Keep it up over and over again, till you hit that precious 1 word keyword. This will take awhile, but it will build authority over all, and create a content rich site that more and more people will visit and link too.


Also A lot of time and maintenance goes into an SEO campaign. Especially if you are gunning for big keywords. Why do you think there are so many big companies using SEO? I mean, you try battling for Mesothelioma.....if you don't have a million dollar budget your not going to get there.

[the lord]

so now i'm want hear from you. LOL.

[ExploringInfinity]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

SEO is easy...

I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

LOL!

Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity

LOL!

Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.

Hey now!

Make that 19% milkin' em, I ain't milking nothing!

I've never sold anything on this forum, I just like telling people what I think, lol (that doesn't always go over so well)!

[JamesGw]

SEO was never hard, although there are certain nuances and techniques that you can use that will make a lot of difference, both in the efficiency and effectiveness of your campaign.

[JoshuaG]

Most technical processes are easy for people who know how to do them.

I agree you don't need products to learn SEO, but that doesn't make it EASY.

Give a newbie an exported spread sheet of data from SEOSpyglass and ask him to interpret the data.

He can't.

Tell a newbie to share 3 ways to SEO a wordpress blog that don't include:
1 - Title
2 - Header
3 - content
4 - Images

Again, chances are good he can't.

Sure, you can probably learn everything you'll need to know for free, but that doesn't make it easy. Especially for people without a technical/internet background.

[InTheMaking]

lol..

SEO is easy? Go rank for a tough keyword if it's easy.

The idea of SEO is easy. Actually going out and ranking takes time and a lot of effort and knowledge.

[GeorgR.]

While i agree to a CERTAIN extent, yes SEO is easy - it's just a LOT of work.
(Someone with only one or two sites wont have the problem - but i am already WAY beyond what a single person [me] can do for 10+ sites)

As for it being easy (once you know what to do), yes, but you STILL need knowledge..and i think a newbie does not have that knowledge. Dont assume everyone has the same experience/knowledge.

A typical newbie might go and buy a $15 "profile link package" and then wonder why he isnt Nr. #1 in Google a week later. MANY people dont know ANYTHING about Seo!!

[discustipated]

it has to be easy when someone like me who just started messing with seo a month ago set a site up 2 hours ago and its already indexed and rank on the first page of google. no joke..dont ask me how cause i have no idea but its freakin awsome.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by ExploringInfinity

LOL!

Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

80% noobs and 20% milkin' em.

I don't think that is true in the SEO forum.

Now, stop by the WSO section and that is a completely different story.

[~kev~]

I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.

[Opportunex]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.

How about 'make money online' in Google UK? I'm talking about the domain with lots of hyphens.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.

Find a good private link network, the rest is easy on-page seo!

Number 1 on Google For the hardest keyword on earth in 2 months ?? HOW DO THEY DO IT ??

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

[edit]
WTF, some cry baby got that last link deleted.

That's F@#%! just messed up! I'm sure I know who it was, thanks for nothing!

Anyway the keyword is car insurance ranking #13 in Google SERPs last I checked, 3 week old site carinsuranceh[dot]com.

[Opportunex]

Originally Posted by yukon

Find a good private link network, the rest is easy on-page seo!

Number 1 on Google For the hardest keyword on earth in 2 months ?? HOW DO THEY DO IT ??

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

There you go. Everything you need to know about SEO today is here ^^^.

[Thinking_man_too]

Be more specific. I assume you mean
10 - 20 million broad results in google search engine?
(meaning you type in the term and google says there are 20 million results).
Or are you meaning something insane like 10 million monthly searches ???

[yukon]

D#@%! it!

They will let spam into this forum every single day of the week, & then delete real (good) forum threads!

WTF, is wrong with this place?

[~kev~]

Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too

Be more specific. I assume you mean
10 - 20 million broad results in google search engine?

At least 10 - 20 million results.

Originally Posted by yukon

Anyway the keyword is car insurance ranking #13 in Google SERPs last I checked, 3 week old site carinsuranceh[dot]com.

Its normal for new sites to hit page 2 or 3, lets see how you hold up in 4 - 6 months.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I want to see someone that said SEO is easy, and they have a site on the first page of google for a high competition keyword.

[nathanwhc]

Driving a car is easy, winning a Grand Prix isn't. It's not the industry that's the hard part, it's the getting good at it that's hard.

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I don't think that is true in the SEO forum.

Now, stop by the WSO section and that is a completely different story.

I 100% agree on that. Way to many people prey on other people in the WSO section.

-- Jeff

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by yukon

D#@%! it!

They will let spam into this forum every single day of the week, & then delete real (good) forum threads!

WTF, is wrong with this place?

It might have been the network owner that requested the thread be deleted. That thread was giving Google a clear map to their treasure.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

At least 10 - 20 million results.

The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by yukon

Find a good private link network, the rest is easy on-page seo!

Number 1 on Google For the hardest keyword on earth in 2 months ?? HOW DO THEY DO IT ??

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...insurance.html

[edit]
WTF, some cry baby got that last link deleted.

That's F@#%! just messed up! I'm sure I know who it was, thanks for nothing!

Anyway the keyword is car insurance ranking #13 in Google SERPs last I checked, 3 week old site carinsuranceh[dot]com.

I keep telling people that. A good private blog network coupled with onpage SEO will win out every time.

-- Jeff

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.

Your only real competition are the pages on the 1st page of Google.

-- Jeff

[YasirYar]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

SEO is easy...

I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

Yes SEO is very easy.. just get a link spamming software and press the START button. LOL.

There's no need for SEO companies is there?

[Thinking_man_too]

We are in agreement there. No one in their right mind would say SEO is easy.
But it is possible and doable and without the big budgets that a lot of companies and site owners use to make it happen. Takes work, learning, mistakes, patience, more learning more mistakes.... and if you stick with it long enough you start to get it right. But there are plateaus at every level. And then you have to learn more....

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by YasirYar

Yes SEO is very easy.. just get a link spamming software and press the START button. LOL.

There's no need for SEO companies is there?

I really hope that you are being sarcastic.

-- Jeff

[Thinking_man_too]

Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

Your only real competition are the pages on the 1st page of Google.

-- Jeff

If you are really good that is true.

For the newbie the competition is anyone on the first 10 pages of google....to many build it...and no one comes and they don't know why and they give up.

[~kev~]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

The number of results does not tell you how competitive a search term is.

Sure it is.

Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too

If you are really good that is true.

For the newbie the competition is anyone on the first 10 pages of google....to many build it...and no one comes and they don't know why and they give up.

Yea, the "If you build it they will come." mentality only works in the movie "Field of Dreams"

But even if you start on the 10th page of Google, you really just need to improve your on page SEO, and then get building some high quality backlinks. And if you get the right ones, it might not even take very many before you hit the first page.

-- Jeff

EDIT: Also the ones that built it and don't do anything aren't really doing very much with SEO at all are they?

[SEOExpertforYou]

I agree that many people say seo is easy, but they don't know it in-depth. SEO takes time, effort, and a lot of quality work to get ranked for very competitive keywords. If you know what to do and you are determined you can rank for almost any keyword in my opinion. Obviously its the more competitive term the longer it will take.

[Becker13]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

You know what... stop reading sigs, stop reading anythiing that makes a bold calim, stop reading what you WANT to hear...

SEO is easy...

I'm tired of F''ckn people who come to this forum to milk alll the newbs. Tell them abouth- the potentiel of a certain opp and and then start charging them form your services... F**k u!!!!!

Guys, SEO is not rocket science, and all these people who like to complicate everything are people who are not willing to tell you how easy SEO is! WHY? Because, they rather make a quick buck off of you!

Do your due diligennce... search the forum and yu will find you answers...


YOu know what... I left all the BULL I hear on the forum and I started targeting keyowrds that no one targets and I started realizing what small minds are here on forums.... you can make money in any niche.... REGARDLESS of what anyone says!!!

Solid post. When i first got into SEO i was overwhelmed with the amount of theory and crazy strategies based around it.

I really did not start seeing success until I severely dumbed down my strategy and just did basic SEO. It works wonders

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by SEOExpertforYou

I agree that many people say seo is easy, but they don't know it in-depth. SEO takes time, effort, and a lot of quality work to get ranked for very competitive keywords. If you know what to do and you are determined you can rank for almost any keyword in my opinion. Obviously its the more competitive term the longer it will take.

They didn't actually say that it wouldn't take work. That is pretty obvious; it is the going about it that is actually quite easy.

Start with your onpage SEO, make sure that it is optimized perfectly ( but don't be stupid and over optimize it). Then build high quality backlinks to the page in question. Don't use spam packages.

If you read the forum you know what people are experiencing with those; they drop off the ranks and never recover. You will most likely recover if you already had some high quality links to begin with, but to start off a site with link spam is just saying, "Please kill my site".

[YasirYar]

Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

I really hope that you are being sarcastic.

-- Jeff

Yes I am

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Sure it is.

Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?

12 billion websites are not TRYING to rank for "news" though. So, no it does not tell you how competitive a keyword is. The keyword news is competitive, but not because there are 12 billion results. It's because the first page is a bitch.

Competition is limited to the first page of Google. Analyzing those sites will tell you how competitive it is.

Using the number of results is an old wive's tale that was started by people selling get rich quick schemes and seo tools. They used that to try to WOW people for how hard it was to rank for their given keyword, when in reality, the keyword wasn't very competitive at all.

But it looked good to say, "Learn how I beat out 1.2 million other websites!"

[theverysmartguy]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

12 billion websites are not TRYING to rank for "news" though. So, no it does not tell you how competitive a keyword is. The keyword news is competitive, but not because there are 12 billion results. It's because the first page is a bitch.

Competition is limited to the first page of Google. Analyzing those sites will tell you how competitive it is.

Using the number of results is an old wive's tale that was started by people selling get rich quick schemes and seo tools. They used that to try to WOW people for how hard it was to rank for their given keyword, when in reality, the keyword wasn't very competitive at all.

But it looked good to say, "Learn how I beat out 1.2 million other websites!"

The really sad thing is, is there are are a ton of keyword services saying they will find you keywords will less than 10,000 competing pages. And they make a killing; charging $99 a month and up sometimes. And the funny thing is; those 9,990 pages don't really matter, only the first 10.

The problem is, is that way too many people have gotten it into their heads that that is the way to determine who you are competing against. So many in fact that when someone tells them different they laugh at you and tell you you don't know what you are talking about.

-- Jeff

[yukon]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Sure it is.

Do a google search for "news", then come back and say that. There are over 12 billion results for "news".

Put your sites where you put your post. What keywords do you rank on the first page of google for?

Lol, who in their right mind would show the rest of this forum a site they own (not me), especially a well ranking site for a competitive keyword? It wouldn't happen in a million years.

[patrich]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

I am still waiting for someone to back up their claims that SEO is easy by ranking in a high competition keyword.

Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

Lets limit the search to 1 or 2 keyword phrase, 20 million or more results, and your page ranks in the top 5 in the google results.

I have lots of #1 and #2 rankings for keywords with over 20 million search results. So what? Why are people always looking for someone to prove their success in this business? Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that nobody else can either.

[Nero Arcnumé]

SEO is easy as there is only so much that you can know. I bet even a worker ant could remember everything regarding SEO.

Sure, some keywords will require a lot of effort and time. But that doesn't mean you need to constantly learn the "mystical ways" of SEO (which is what "gurus" seem to be selling and suckers seem to buy). Perhaps you spend lots of resources on building backlinks, but the SEO method is building the backlink, which is all too easy.

There's a big difference between time investment and difficulty of the subject matter, which is what I assume this thread is all about.

[RevSEO]

Don't get pissy with the services offered here or anywhere else for SEO. These services are made to make YOUR life easier. Work smarter and not harder. Can you manually build links? Sure, but who in the heck wants to do that for 3 or more projects?

SEO is easy if you follow the advice found on WF, and intelligently build out your SEO campaigns. Outsourcing and managing your SEO campaigns is the way to do it, not the other way around.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Sure it is.

No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.

Someone give me a keyword that they rank well in, and with more then 10 or 20 million results.

Done. See number 2.

black hat cat - Google Search

[oogyboogawa]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.



Done. See number 2.

black hat cat - Google Search

Nice! Hopefully that will settle it. (though I'm sure it won't...)

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

No, it isn't. All that tells you is how many pages there are. It says nothing about how competitive those pages are.



Done. See number 2.

black hat cat - Google Search

Most times it doesn't even tell you how many competing pages there really is, that number is bogus a lot of times.

I have a new keyword I'm working on right now. Google SERP says this eaxct keyword (without quotes) has:

About 104,000,000 results (0.15 seconds)

When I click "Next Page" all the way to the end of the SERPs for that keyword, it stops on page #40 & tells me that only 394 results exist.

That's a HUGE drop!

The rest of those bogus #s are in Supplemental SERPs.

This keyword gets over 30k per month traffic, only 3 sites on page #1 in the SERPs are even trying to rank, the rest just got lucky.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

While i agree to a CERTAIN extent, yes SEO is easy - it's just a LOT of work.
(Someone with only one or two sites wont have the problem - but i am already WAY beyond what a single person [me] can do for 10+ sites)

As for it being easy (once you know what to do), yes, but you STILL need knowledge..and i think a newbie does not have that knowledge. Dont assume everyone has the same experience/knowledge.

A typical newbie might go and buy a $15 "profile link package" and then wonder why he isnt Nr. #1 in Google a week later. MANY people dont know ANYTHING about Seo!!

Yeah, GeorgR, true enough. Or close to.

The problem is this. I've said it in a round about way many times.

People think they can buy a EMD domain, install lame wordpress, do
some BS articles, then go and see what's on the cheap for any and
all SEO packages. Dumb idea.

I may be in the minority here, but I always say, go out and get yourself
some knowledge, some experience, do a little page creating, real html, php,
javascript stuff. Read what google writes. Read the forum for free ideas.
Get some experience. You have to know the ins and outs are to not be taken.

Then, and only then, can one make a distinction between truth and junk
as far as WSO's go.

I don't think a newbie should be spending money. Any money.

The one site thing is what everyone should start out with. Get to
know what this stuff is truly about.

I've paid for stuff on the WF. Good stuff. But I sure had to build a
relationship and look at what that person was posting before I
ever clicked the paypal.

Paul