Are info and co Domains worth it?

[londoncoffee]

Hi there Warriors,
founds a few domains that i'm considering buying. They're keyword 3 and 4 letter domains. The TLD's are taken but always seem to have info and co available, also us, ca, mobi, tv. If they have over 2000 exact local monthly search figs and £0.50 plus, should i buy?
feedback appreciated thanks

[Natlex]

You don't hae an EMD bonus but if it's because you really want that exact name ya it's fine. I rank .info and .co without any perceivable difference.

[outwest]

I would not buy a .info if the com net org are taken

.infos do not get the same respect by google

much better to get mykeywordtips.com

or something like that
I always take my kw and add something in front or after and buy a .com for it
makes me feel much more secure

then again I have seen even very odd EMDs ranking top 5 lately
like
mykeyword.dx
or some other strange extension i never heard of

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by outwest

I would not buy a .info if the com net org are taken

.infos do not get the same respect by google

much better to get mykeywordtips.com

Complete BS. I assume you don't get any respect from google.
Maybe that's the problem.

Do a search for a google product, no less, like pagerank, or
pagerank checker, or similar. A dot info rules the niche. But then, why
would you know that?

Do a search for, say new york subway, or ny subway schedule,
or anything like new york subways. A dot info also rules.

Those sites never got your memo.

Just because you never see it happen, does not make it
never happen.

As far as .co, nobody here cares much for them. They get no
ink here. But they sure get a lot of ink elsewhere. It's the new
revolution in domain extensions. Well, that and creating your
own. But the gold has tarnished a bit on that .co thing. Many
people spent a boatload of money getting one. Thinking, of
all things, it was going to get a boost over dot coms!

The lunacy just fueled the fire of any extension having any
extra oomph. They don't.

Paul

[outwest]

I just prefer .coms
if you found some niches that .infos rule on, good for you
did I say .infos cant rank? nope

I said I WOULD NOT BUY ONE

as to why I dont know that a .info dominates NYC subways ? who the hell searches for that?
and by the way DUHH thats because the MTA put their main site on a .info
thats not rocket science

whatever extension a huge company puts their site on is the extension its going to be on right?
not brain surgery

no need to get nasty when someone says something you dont agree with
I dont appreciate the sarcastic tone of your post

[vtotheyouknow]

All domain extensions are equivalent in terms of SEO.

Your CPC looks a little low. How far shaded is the competition bar?

Also, pop over to ezinearticles and type your keyword into the search. Click on an article. Are there several (3 or more) Google ads relevant to your exact topic that a visitor to your site would be likely to click on?

How's the competition in the top 3?

Buying the domain should be your last consideration.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by outwest

did I say .infos cant rank?

You certainly implied it, at the very least. Let's check out what you said ...

Originally Posted by outwest

.infos do not get the same respect by google

What was that supposed to mean, if not that they don't rank as well/easily as a .com or any other extension?!

There are 100+ threads like this one which might inform you a little, but only if you're willing to read them rather than making factually incorrect statements like ".infos do not get the same respect by google".

[outwest]

Google has mass deindexed .info's several times, for various reasons
if you think this is not the case go research the topic, this is well known. Why? Because these .info domains were viewed as spammy , and spammers LOVED them, Why>? because they were being mass marketed for 99 cents.
http://tzuvelli.com/why-would-bans-s...s-be-deindexed


perhaps they stopped doing it
but me i dont trust them

[TheFBGuy]

Originally Posted by outwest

Google has mass deindexed .info's several times, for various reasons
if you think this is not the case go research the topic, this is well known. Why? Because these .info domains were viewed as spammy , and spammers LOVED them, Why>? because they were being mass marketed for 99 cents.
Why Would BANS Sites On INFO Domains Be Deindexed from Google


perhaps they stopped doing it
but me i dont trust them

I am seriously considering quitting this section of WF...

Like you have been corrected: ALL extensions are EQUAL in the eyes of the search engines.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

I am seriously considering quitting this section of WF...

I don't blame you.

I normally come in here only when a thread I've posted in from the "Main Marketing Forum" has been moved down here by the Moderators, and I want to check subsequent replies. Talk about the blind leading the partially sighted. Some of the nonsense here is really breathtaking.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

I am seriously considering quitting this section of WF...

Like you have been corrected: ALL extensions are EQUAL in the eyes of the search engines.

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so you deny that google has mas deindexed .infos or devalued them? Puleez you guys cant stand for anyone to disagree with you. If you are wrong admit it

I am not saying google is still doing this, but they did do it in the past. Thats why .infos leave a bad taste in my mouth. Its probably safe to buy them but. I would rather not

99 percent of the time the kws I look at the .info is gone too

[kento57]

Really depends on what you will use them for.

[SimpleSEOTips]

Originally Posted by outwest

Google has mass deindexed .info's several times,

Can you provide several citations or links around this comment to back things up here? .CO.CC were removed from the index by Google some time back and I do understand why people would be concerned about the .info price point being lessened and therefore it's "value" within search engines being potentially damaged.
However, with that said, the .info is still a commercial domain (i.e. one which costs to purchase) and there are authorative sites on .info domains which were set up long before registrars were passing on the promotional credit scheme which affilias (the .info registrar) have recently been offering.
I sincerly doubt .info will be deindexed or is seen as a "lesser" domain in the eyes of the search engine.

In .info's case you have to take correlation and causation as seperate things. In most cases sites which are sitting on a domain which cost less than a dollar have content which often reflects the actual value of the domain purchase due to owners not willing to invest either capital or time!

[lovboa]

WF is getting gangsta!

[cctvinstallers]

Hi London coffee, if you are looking for good coffee based tld domains, I have a few, please pm me for details if you are interested.

[londoncoffee]

Thankyou all for replies, and hope i didn't cause any Warriors to fall out. Heck! It's just a forum guys. Cool your boots. I am still in the dark with regards to co and info.
I think google is too clever to degrade a domain based on spamming. Why, they know which is legit and not yes?
Thanks cctv, i have no connection with coffee, its just a user name like spamfortea :-P
Thanks everyone :-)

[outwest]

Originally Posted by londoncoffee

Thankyou all for replies, and hope i didn't cause any Warriors to fall out. Heck! It's just a forum guys. Cool your boots. I am still in the dark with regards to co and info.
I think google is too clever to degrade a domain based on spamming. Why, they know which is legit and not yes?
Thanks cctv, i have no connection with coffee, its just a user name like spamfortea :-P
Thanks everyone :-)

Google deindexed all .co.cc domains just recently. thats a fact
They DO and can deindex whoever they want

go research google deindexing .info sites, and read posts of posters who had ALL their .infos deindexed.

this did not happen recently but it did happen
Domain Tasting And INFO Domains

Recently, several domain registrars most notably GoDaddy.com and DomainSheriff.com have been registering INFO domains for a measly .99 cents. At .99 cents INFO domains aren’t free and are a little more risky for domain tasters but they are still profitable. And now they have a full year to make a profit before having to return the domain to the registrar, if they decide to.
Take the same 10,000 domains at .25 cents per day and multiply by 365 and you have a potential return of about $913,000. That is a lot of incentive. By purging most INFO domains from its indexes Google was protecting itself from a potential huge influx of spam. By continuing to hold INFO domains to higher scrutiny Google is protecting its algorithm and advertisers from the potential spam abuse caused by INFO domains being so cheap.


There, so I am making this up?

http://tzuvelli.com/why-would-bans-s...s-be-deindexed

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by SimpleSEOTips

.CO.CC were removed from the index by Google some time back

That was the de-indexing of ONE domain, for heaven's sake: that's a totally, completely, entirely different proposition from the nonsense being alleged above.

Originally Posted by outwest

There, so I am making this up?

No. Someone else is. And it looks like he's fooling you with it.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

That was the de-indexing of ONE domain, for heaven's sake: that's a totally, completely, entirely different proposition from the nonsense being alleged above.



No. Someone else is. And it looks like he's fooling you with it.

One domain?
NO
one domain extension, thats like deindexing all .co.uk's in the world

all the .co.cc domains were mass deindexed
Google has recently reprimanded and barred the co.cc domains and all the websites with are associated with this domain. Co.cc which was pertinently providing domains in huge amount is itself an autonomous domain administrator. The increase in the number and quantity of unsolicited junk emails and other pranks on internet has disrupted the flow of communication thus resulting in underprivileged eminence of websites. Due to this turmoil Google has been suffering blame as it is one of the reputed search engine for millions and trillions of users around the globe. These serious and harmful activities enforced Google to take some necessary amendments and it took a thoughtful step of de-indexing co.cc in order to set a shield against the violence prevailing on internet medium

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You like to argue a lot but you dont seem to prove any points

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by outwest

One domain?
NO
one domain extension, thats like deindexing all .co.uk's in the world

all the .co.cc domains were mass deindexed

This is totally wrong. You've completely misunderstood what happened.

Google de-indexed ONE domain only, as Matt Cutts himself has explained, and that one domain was co.cc.

All its subdomains were inevitably de-indexed as a result of the main domain being de-indexed.

Those free .co.cc "domains" are actually NOT domains at all: they're only sub-domains.

Here's the point that you've missed, in your zeal to spread misinformation: the "co" part in the name isn't like the "co" in ".co.uk": it's the domain-name, and only the ".cc" is the domain-extension.

Many people thought they had a "domain-name" on a ".co.cc" extension but they were all mistaken about that, because there's no such extension: what they actually had was only a sub-domain on a domain that belonged to someone else. And when that one domain was de-indexed by Google (only one day after Matt Cutts had publicly announced that Google reserves the right to de-index individual domains they regard as spammy), a lot of people found that their sub-domains had obviously been de-indexed with it, just like the pages and sub-domains of any de-indexed site also disappear from Google's index.

This is not in any way comparable with the .info domain issue being discussed in this thread. You're simply misinforming everyone.

Originally Posted by outwest

thats like deindexing all .co.uk's in the world

It just ISN'T.

The "co" in ".co.uk" is part of the extension. The "co" in ".co.cc" isn't - and that's the whole point, here.

Matt Cutts specified "individual domains". NOT "domain extensions" as you wrongly allege. Obviously! I'm afraid you've simply failed to understand the difference between the two, here - and its significance.

One is an entire extension of millions of domain names, and the other is one single domain. Not comparable situations at all, which is where you've misunderstood it and are now misleading others, too.

PS - the words you're looking for, if they're in your vocabulary, are "Sorry, it appears that I was mistaken - please ignore my misguided comments above".

[MarketerINC]

.COM domain is still better than .CO

[Bluewater]

Originally Posted by outwest

One domain?
NO
one domain extension, thats like deindexing all .co.uk's in the world

all the .co.cc domains were mass deindexed

Please dont offer advice until you know the difference between a subdomain and a top level domain.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Bluewater

Please dont offer advice until you know the difference between a subdomain and a top level domain.

why would it be a major news story if google deindexed ONE domain? explain that

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by outwest

why would it be a major news story if google deindexed ONE domain? explain that

What, you read post #20 above and you're still trying to convince yourself - two days later - that you were right about this?!

It certainly seems that you're not going to convince anyone else.

For heaven's sake, it's been clearly enough explained all over the internet, including by Google themselves and in 100 other threads here.

But since you ask, the main reasons it was such a major news story are ...

(i) It was an individual domain on which thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of people had subdomains, so both the loss of web-pages and the number of people affected were absolutely enormous, and ...

(ii) It had never happened before to such a huge domain, in which so many people had an interest, but it happened within 24 hours of a public announcement by Matt Cutts relating to "individual domains" - many people had been wondering and speculating about which "individual domain" he was so clearly giving a warning, and when - the following day - it turned out to be the co.cc domain, the whole thing made sense.

Your comment about the "co" in "co.cc" being like the "co" in ".co.uk" is simply mistaken.

There's no such thing as a ".co.cc" extension.

It's pure nonsense.

This can readily be verified anywhere: just have a look at the list of domain extensions in Wikipedia or anywhere you like, and you'll see that .co.uk is a domain extension and .co.cc isn't. It's as simple as that. "co" was an individual domain on the .cc extension - and it still is: it's just that that one domain has now been de-indexed by Google, so its thousands of subdomains no longer appear in Google's SERP's.

And I'm afraid it follows from that that your entire argument is an erroneous one, and there's absolutely no similarity at all to the ".info" extension involved here, because what you're referring to actually had nothing to do with an entire domain extension being de-indexed: that's "dream-world stuff", not reality.

This - however much you want to struggle with it, yourself, for some reason - is simply factual. Furthermore, it's well-known, readily verifiable fact: there's nothing obscure or complicated or incomprehensible about it at all. It was all "public". Some people - it seems - just misunderstood what happened.

Again, any time you're ready, the words you're looking for, if they're in your vocabulary, are "Sorry, it appears that I was mistaken - please ignore my misguided comments above".

[MikeFriedman]

The most enjoyable part of this thread is the fact that outwest started another thread about how 90% of people on WF do not know what they are doing or talking about.

Guess what outwest? With your comments on this thread, you just made the 90%.

[ichl13]

I just stick to .com .net and .org domains. I've never tried .info but from what I've read its harder to rank.

Go search something in google and see how many .info sites rank for it and how many .com .net .org sites rank for it. Hopefully that should be a good indication

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by ichl13

I just stick to .com .net and .org domains. I've never tried .info but from what I've read its harder to rank.

Go search something in google and see how many .info sites rank for it and how many .com .net .org sites rank for it. Hopefully that should be a good indication

That is misleading. You may see more .com, .net, and .org sites, but that is because more of them have been registered. None of them have any affect on SEO

[howinfo]

Originally Posted by outwest

Google has mass deindexed .info's several times, for various reasons
if you think this is not the case go research the topic, this is well known. Why? Because these .info domains were viewed as spammy , and spammers LOVED them, Why>? because they were being mass marketed for 99 cents.
Why Would BANS Sites On INFO Domains Be Deindexed from Google


perhaps they stopped doing it
but me i dont trust them

You can get any website with any domain extension deindexed if Google has caught you doing something that is worth deindexing. And yes, you can get .info for a really good price but it does not mean that more spammers use that extension than any other domain extension. Would you have any statistic about what percentage of .info domains are spammy compared to .com I certainly have not noticed that many .info’s used for spamming. Majority of spam I encounter is still coming from .com’s 90% of spam on my email box is .com about 90% of the banned emails on our forum are .com I am also quits sure that Google has much more sophisticated means to determine the spamminess of the website than the domain extension.

[TheFBGuy]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

The most enjoyable part of this thread is the fact that outwest started another thread about how 90% of people on WF do not know what they are doing or talking about.

Guess what outwest? With your comments on this thread, you just made the 90%.

Hahaha, Outwest is a pretty funny guy. Oh, and thank you Alexa for making things crystal clear, lol.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Talk about the blind leading the partially sighted. Some of the nonsense here is really breathtaking.

and you probably have not seen the half of it

[JSProjects]

Originally Posted by outwest

I would not buy a .info if the com net org are taken

.infos do not get the same respect by google

much better to get mykeywordtips.com

or something like that
I always take my kw and add something in front or after and buy a .com for it
makes me feel much more secure

then again I have seen even very odd EMDs ranking top 5 lately
like
mykeyword.dx
or some other strange extension i never heard of

Haven't read the rest of the replies, but I can bet you're already getting a ton of people who don't agree with you.

.info ranks fine. At the very worst they may take a little bit longer to settle, but even that is questionable.

If you insist on a .com, I'd suggest using hyphens first. If that's not available, adding a word at the end is better than adding it to the beginning of the domain.

EDIT: Wow. Looks like I was right. Pretty much everyone disagrees.

2nd EDIT: This thread is classic! The best I've read in awhile.

[outwest]

Because I dont follow the co.cc deindexing debacle, that means I am ignorant.? Hell most of you probably googled it and went and pasted what you found on it, and claimed you were smart. Who cares about co.cc?

There are so many skills and issues that come up. Doesnt make you a guru because you googled co.cc and pasted something

[monsoon]

You may want to read on centralnic if you want to know more with respect to "fake" top level domain.

Also, no word in this thread about the SEOMoz "research" that came out about a year ago on the presumed weight given to the major TLDs ?

[mikelmraz]

.infos are not bad for the total price of $1.99

[kviv23]

.info is just not about price. google is giving then authority these days. They are easier to rank now a days.

[Gabby12]

Originally Posted by outwest

Because I dont follow the co.cc deindexing debacle, that means I am ignorant.? Hell most of you probably googled it and went and pasted what you found on it, and claimed you were smart. Who cares about co.cc?

There are so many skills and issues that come up. Doesnt make you a guru because you googled co.cc and pasted something

But when you make statements that you think you know the facts it makes you look bad. This proves the point made by many in this thread, beware of the advice in this part of the forum.

[robdavids]

Stick with the .com .net and .org, if you must go with the others from my experience it takes more work and more patients to make a impact with there rankings and not being a very patient person I will always stick to the main 3!

[zoomsixx]

I have some really good .co's and they are a pain in the ass to rank. .org's seem worse even. I think I'll go back to .com's for the time being, or maybe take a look at my link building techniques.

[zoomsixx]

Has anyone had luck using synonyms of targeted keywords? I've never tried it but I'm curious. I know Google will show synonyms when doing a search. I miss the Webcrawer and Hotbot days. Ughh

[Enfusia]

Hi, I read the de-indexing story and the guy had only built 10 sites before that. There are many here (me too) who do 30 to 50 new sites per month.

Sorry but his 10 sites is like a someone ringing in the Gospel with a post count of 10.

It was one or so sites, all his that got slapped. How do you know what in the world he did to that site "besides" using .info? Thing is, by his article you don't.

So, if possible please include research in you equation prior to espousing a position.

Not being gruff at all, just sayin....
Patrick

[superb8effect]

.info is worth ~2-5% of .com domain.

[Hustle]

.info's are a bit hard to rank in Google these days but .co's are fine. If its an exact match domain for a good keyword, go ahead and register it.

[akirlew]

I am WAY late to this party, but I will just say Alexa Smith is spot on with regard to domains and domain extensions.

Secondly, I have had .info's rank just as good as .com's. In fact, a few years ago, I sold one that had some AdSense and other advertising revenue and it sold in the same price range that it would have as a .com because it was sold based on the monthly revenue of the site and the site still makes money today for the owner. I sold it because the niche was decreasing in popularity, but in the end, the guy who bought it made out well because he has made far more than what he paid.

~ AK

[zabalex]

GONE are the days when TLDs were a problem, since there could be only one .com .net and .org TLD for any given keyword. So the use of other TLDs are also fine and regarded by all the major search engines the same as other.

Those were the days when all TLDs were having a particular meaning associated with it, like .com for commercial sites, .net for network sites, .org for organizational sites. Now a days you can see a .org site with 100% commercial use.

[bobcarlsjr]

sigh.......... blind leading the blind here....... if you have an opinion.. please state it as an opinion..... don't make it sound like a fact from google.....

for those saying that .info is crap.... google "pr checker" and see what comes up first in google out of 7.6 million results

[Praney Behl]

I don't think there is much difference unless it's a .com, I rank any tlds.
It's all about content and SEO.

[Praney Behl]

I don't think there is much difference unless it's a .com, I rank any tlds.
It's all about content and SEO.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by superb8effect

.info is worth ~2-5% of .com domain.

LOL! SOmeone dug up an old thread, but I can't resist...

How much do you think mta.info is worth? Not that it would ever
be on the market any time soon...

Paul

[Stevetyler72]

Rubbish. Google does not give more or less respect to a .com over a .info. However, how many users may click on it could vary. For example a uk searcher is more likely to click a .co.uk site than a .com

I have plenty of .infos on page one of google for very high competition keywords.

[RickAtWar]

Originally Posted by outwest

I just prefer .coms
if you found some niches that .infos rule on, good for you
did I say .infos cant rank? nope

I said I WOULD NOT BUY ONE

as to why I dont know that a .info dominates NYC subways ? who the hell searches for that?
and by the way DUHH thats because the MTA put their main site on a .info
thats not rocket science

whatever extension a huge company puts their site on is the extension its going to be on right?
not brain surgery

no need to get nasty when someone says something you dont agree with
I dont appreciate the sarcastic tone of your post

People in NYC who use public methods of transportarion like the subway search for that, millions every single day! My .co domains rank very well, but agreed .com better.