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Hello everyone, I'm not making this post to moan, I know that being liked by Google is sometimes a hard task and it can get on one's nerves. I'm rather seeking advice on what to do and what you think is going to happen next. The site I'm talking about was #8 for its main keyword and ranked pretty well for other long tail keywords. It was getting about 150 UVs per day, until yesterday. It is now nowhere to be seen in the first 150 results on Google for the main keyword. Also, its rankings dropped drastically for the other keywords it had been getting traffic from. Now I get about 10 UVs per day. However, none of the pages of my site got de-indexed, when I put site:mysite.com, it still shows that all pages are indexed. What I've been doing recently with the site is, I've been making a post per day, I also picked the older posts and submitted them to article directories (one per day) with no changes, linking to the related post, plus I was creating my own articles, span them and submitted them to article directories and web 2.0 sites. I've also been building backlinks via profile and signature links and blog commenting. All that I did manually, about 20 links per day, do you think this could affect the rankings? Or could this be the so-called Google Dance, and how long it may take for my rankings to come back? Thanks! Trevor |
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The site you are talking about...how long was it at #8 and other positions before falling? Unless it was sitting at top positions for a considerable amount of time before falling, I don't think you should panic. And the things you stated you've been doing recently...do you mean that these are new things you are doing recently that you haven't been doing before? If so...this could be just a google dance before you move up in the serps. |
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As your website is not in first page then ultimately you'll loose Unique visitors. Just wait 3-4 days and if it is a case of Google dance then you'll get your website back in first page again. if not then try to analyze your website and check the back links.
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The site had been ranked #8 for around 3 weeks before it disappeared. It is about 3 months old. | |
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I think you should give it more time. It was only gone yesterday. This is very common. Usually it comes back to a more higher position so just wait it out. It is only a day. At least wait 1 week. And your site is still new and young so that makes it even more common that you go into a google dance. |
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| Can you check if the website is in 5th or 6th page...I could see similary pattern with one of my websites that is three months old
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Same thing happened to me yestarday :S I also panic because im losing serious cash right now. I didn't spam links
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Yes The Same happened to me my website is one year old but I have started work on the website about three months before my site is ranked well in start and now staying at 5th and 6th page. I have never do backlinks and any kind of SEO. Now three weeks passed but my website is not up Tell me either it is google dance or i have to do backlinks for my website. |
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Kind of similar to me. Mine actually got hit two days ago. My main keyword dropped exactly to 100. Many of my other pages are around there as well. I've just been building backlinks as I always do, and I'm going to wait it out. Also, it's annoying having to manually check the results. When I try to use Rank Tracker, it leaves a lot of them blank, and I'm guessing it's because Google has "blocked" my IP temporarily. Using automated methods is against their TOS so I have to fill in a captcha now and then manually check my rankings. |
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it seem you got google dance same like me my site : Hot Smartphones lose position from page one google |
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It could be the Google Dance if you have been actively link building. I would say continue link building but instead use the website name as the anchor text, one of the easiest ways to do it quickly is run a quick submission on SocialMonkee (link in sig) and thehn you should be back within the week! |
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Is there anyone who has recovered from their fall to page 5 or 6 and got back their ranking...Any tips ?
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| Dear Friend, You should start a link wheel on different server based websites like tumblr. wordpress, blogger etc. I assure you that you will get good ranking within 15 days or less time. Best of Luck |
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| Have you done it in the past and got back your website to page 1 ?? I am seeing this kind of penalty/dance from google to a lot of people these days even with quality content....What I am not sure is whether its a penalty or a google dance and how to recover from it..
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How I do this ? Please explain a little I am very new in web world | |
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I found my problem... why I got penalty. My another website on the same server links to my site (69 backlinks) on every page. So this is I guess the reason i got sandboxed. Hope it helps! |
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| I too had done that,but its not like both the websites are in the same serve,they both belong to me though.You think this could be the problem ?
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what a hell ?
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What kind of backlinks have you built recently? This is probably nothing more than a Google dance that a lot of websites go through at one point or another when building backlinks artificially.
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Google dance/sandbox could last 1-2 weeks or 1 to 3 months sometimes more. Depends on what kind of links you build and of course 100 other factors.
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Expect your site to come back, in a higher position than before. When that happens, no one can really say. You just need to be patient and keep doing what you're doing.
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The following applies to new PR0 websites: If your site was ranking page #1 and not dancing up and down between pages it is in 99% the dance. Don't worry about it and keep catering for content as usual, but it is important to keep the additional content related to the niche. Diversifying can cause your site to be re-categorised if the newer content dominates the older ones. In other words...if your site is about fat dogs, don't start entering content about pink elephants. Keyword stuffing will always be penalized, use related terms(LSI). Any keywords found under the main keywords in GKT are related terms The keywords on your homepage should total between 4-5% density and the individual posts (related) should be MAX. 2.5% and min 1.8%. You can check this using the free FireFox plugin "SeaQuake". Anyone blasting 500+ backlinks to a new website at once might just as well write to google directly and ask them to degrade their site...backlinks should be spread evenly over a period of months to ensure a natural behavior. It is expected from the algorithm that E.G. "News" website can get 1000's of backlinks overnight, but the average direct backlinks within a typical niche are also calculated. So any form of unexpected high activity sticks out like a sore thumb. If you want to blast then do B2B (backlinks to backlinks). Once your at the top, keep pumping content, more than one or two "related" articles p/week aren't necessary and continue the B2B to those posts using E.g RSS agrigators. Most people stop doing this once at the top, believing their goals have been achieved...that's a big newbie mistake, neither the competition nor google ever sleep. If your backlinks have 0 activity they will lose any importance hence ensure they ALL get regularly pinged, there are many free and paid tools that do this. By following these simple steps, any site can get to #1 and stay there, some within days and some within weeks dependant upon the activity of the competition and if you follow these rules/guides and still suddenly drop in the rankings, rest assured in 99% a dance is in progress. cheers TW |
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What I find hard to do is keep track of all the backlinks I create - How do you guys do that? Do you really copy and paste every backlink´s URL into a sheet and ping them often? | |||
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Of course, that is the big Q ![]() There are tools available that automate these chors and make thing much much easier. The principle is fairly simply and the point of B2B is to AVOID index-spaming. Too many DIRECT backlinks to a single page is suicide! This is how it works.... Submit articles , videos, social media, Web 2.0 or whatever to the directories, these in turn backlink to your site(DIRECT backlinks). Your site also has an included RSS feed which you can submit to to rss aggregators such as feedburner.com or feedag.com and a few others. You can enter your individual posts and Backlinks manually by E.g using Yahoo Pipes where they're bundled in to one (or more)RSS Feeds and then submit these to the aggregators Another good semi-automated method is using Socialmonkee.com with an integrated spinner for the descriptions, keywords and titles. B2B is basically repeating this method but now creating RSS Feeds to the Feeds already created. Last but not least, you need a list of all the URLs and this depends on how you submit. E.G AMR is a great article submitter which spits out a list of all the directories it submits to. If you use services, they should provide you with a list of URL submissions.....anyways, the tedious part is doing all the above manually. So you need to convert these URLS to Feeds and then the most important part is keeping these links alive. That means....if no-one ever clicks on the links, they will simply be ignored by the search engines and all of your backlinking efforts were done in vain(simply wasted time and money). This following program takes all the work out it, it converts your URLs automatically to Feeds and ensures they get pinged once every 24 hours, the initial stage might seem a little time consuming but once set up, the whole process is automated and believe me...it worth it. Doing all this manually is a killer and also where most people give up due to the monotony and time consumption. tip: You can get the converter seperately but if get the pinger first, the converter is included ![]() hope that helps cheers TW | |
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@ tigerwar, You are absolute correct, you cannot have too many inbound links pointing to a page of your site, which is a death sentence to your website in a split second. I have seen site receive inbound links into the thousands from sites, by accident, but told them you may want to ask the webmaster of the site not to spam your site with all the inbound links. |
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I like this forum
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a -50 google slap is not a "google dance" IMO You may recover but it may be a permanent penalty, I would not sit around on my hands hoping it will come back if it does , then great but what if it doesnt? and you wasted weeks or months pumping new content or backlinks to it? then you are even more screwed |
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Any radical changes made during this phase in an attempt to rectify "unknown problems" is pointless and IMHO plain stupid. Trevor, just continue pumping content as I mentioned above...DON'T make any changes to the way you have been doing things to date(unless of course you were overdoing things -> then reduce), it will simply cause more confusion. Just wait a couple of days first. cheers TW | |
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All but 2. One was a test site which I used to abuse every rule possible. One day it was just too much, I blasted 1500 links overnight and it was degraded to the the supps. the second was quite interesting...I was using a great free plugin called "SEO SearchTerms Tagging 2" which had been running for about 4 months. My site was #1 and the plugin contributed a lot to getting there. During a server transfer(which I didn't know was happening at that moment) I updated the plugin and it broke off in middle. Basically, months of externally collected links disappeared from the surface of my website and google just threw out 100s of 404(not found) links. It is slowly recovering as new terms are added but it was quite a shock at the time. This just goes to prove how much ON-Page optimization counts. The site is highly optimize for the Serps but due something totally unexpected the SEO was made null and void. Just food for thought so that others don't make a similar mistake and always have ready backup. My backup was 2 months old, so it couldn't replace the missing links! cheers TW |
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That's just great, Tiger, thank you a ton. I am going to buy the script. As I wrote before, I've been writing one article per day, spinning it and then submitting it to about 20 article directories and 20 web 2.0 sites per day. All of these spun articles point to the related page on my site AND the home page, this way I create a number of backlinks for each of my site's pages on a daily basis. Do you think such a number of backlinks made per day, all pointing to the same page, could do harm? By the way, I deep spin the article, rewrite each paragraph five times, each sentence three times and then also word by word. I even spin anchor texts. My thinking was, since it takes some time for the article directories to approve my articles, it should be just fine because the articles, in fact, won't get published the same day. What's your opinion, please? |
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Hi Trevor, well I don't see any overkill doing 20 articles per WEEK to the article directories but if you are doing the same day in day out with the same web 2.0 sites and directories then it's a pretty obvious footprint and could be classed as spaming the index. You should reduce and VARY those numbers from 20 to 40 per week, not 40 per day. Don't forget...if your articles are good, the right people will post them on their sites, right people meaning high PR sites but also, whether they are good or bad articles, the scammers/spammers and normal sites will also post them on their blogs giving you an automated exponetial growth. Basically, there is no need to post so many and especially NOT to the same page or on a strict number per day. I never do more than 2 spun articles per MONTH to about 2-300 directories and the normal social bookmarking, but the power lies in the B2B. These create 1000s of backlinks exponentially without lifting a finger and more important, without direct linking = no index-spaming! It's time to backlink to those backlinks and give your site a break IMHO, otherwise it will become too obvious what your're doing(if they haven't already caught onto it). cheers TW |
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I'm now thinking about how to be doing backlinking in the future. From what I've learned from your great answers, I've been doing a couple of things wrong. If you could comment on my plan, I'd be more than glad. My available backlink resources: Unique spun articles via ~20 article directories The same unique spun article via ~20 web 2.0 sites Copied articles from my website via the ~20 article directories Links from Social Monkee - 25 per day Links from the Free Traffic System - I've been uploading my spun articles here, too. Links from Automatic Backlinks - I have about 25 backlinks pointing to my site now. Profile & Signature backlinks via ~10 unrelated forums Blog comments - I can make about 20 per day or more I've never done B2B before, all my backlinks point directly to my site. That's why I want to restructuralize the way I've been doing it. Could anyone give me advice on which backlinks should be tier 1 and which ones tier 2? And how many tier 1 backlinks to make for one page on my site, and how many tier 2 to make for that tier 1 backlink page? |
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I'm having the same exact issue. I started a new backlinking campaign but my site has dropped to page 2 and even page 10 for some keywords. I did install the SearchTermsTagging 2 plugin which sounds great, but it created a bunch of tags which I Google apparently doesn't like. I deleted the plugin and removed the offending pages via robots.txt. It's been 2 weeks and I've seen no improvements. Anyone else have success bringing their site back up in the SERP's? I'm thinking of moving my content to a new domain and just killing this site. Thanks, Raza |
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I notice that is good to start promoting your site (back links) only after your site has indexed and appear on SERPS. This works for MNS. Today is very dangerous to start build links for a new site. Good luck! |
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@Tigerwar, i see u use seo search tagging 2, what are your settings? do you use the 'link to search pages' in the widget option? i am using this plugin myself, but need help finding the best settings (and avoid being banned by google.. ![]() @OP, i had a site dissappear for a month as well. I said, what the heck let me throw some fiverr high pr backlinks gigs at it, to see if it would come back, as it that point it couldnt hurt. it came back. I cant say if it would have happened without the gigs eventually, but it did come back. kas |
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it's now 06:00 am across here, been working all night on a project so I'll try to catch up on the Qs later ![]() cheers TW |
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Let's hope it's a Google Dance, some have said scaling up what you are doing and varying the submissions will get you out of a Google Dance
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now these days this is the common question certainly asked by people. after google panda updates there are so much unexpected things are going on so we can't do any thing just wait to get back your listing again.
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As your site is only 3 months old it may be suffering from Google dance. Just continue to create the backlinks and you would see your rankings coming back to normal or even better position.
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i think we have have active backlink and updated our blog, so there will have daily ping and it will maintain the rank
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There is a simple golden rule for backlinks...VARIATION The google algorithm is a MACHINE, you can't bribe a machine! It's a calculator not a Human. it works on a logical basis, 1+1+1+1+1. It is a highly complex system that attempts to "simulate" the human intelligence but due the missing blueprint, mistakes are inevitable. 20+20+20 though can't be mistaken and in the reason you should NEVER do backlinks on fixed basis. Think Human and you won't give the algorithm any chance of spotting a footprint 5+1+10+7+20 (in terms of links per day) Google is (as we see it) a machine but behind the lines there's a human being who owns a business and the prime goal is keep customers from moving to other search engines in order to make money. If they give 10 spammers the chance to "steal" money by means of monopolizing the market with BS and thereby depriving 100's of serious businessess from earning a living, well it wouldn't take long and google would be out of business. Hence so many updates. They will never be perfect but they're getting better and faster at spotting the spammers. Whats possible today will possibly be penalized tomorrow. So think HUMAN and you'll create backlinks automatically and make money. Think like a spammer and you might make money today but be bankrupt tomorrow. Trevor, there's nothing really wrong with your strategy, but the numbers are too blatant, just vary those figures and spread them UNEVENLY and sporadically between the sources. As it is, it sticks out like a sore thumb, 1+1. Another aspect is traffic. Backlinks ARE NOT or DO NOT mean traffic. Unless they're actually being clicked on to go to your site, they're simply statistics. There's no point in paying for a 1000 backlinks if none of them will be clicked on. Being #1 does NOT mean traffic if your in a niche that expects 3 clicks per day and pointless if you're promting something that people can buy for $2.00 Google includes ACTIVITY in their algo, so you have to ensure the those backlinks are pinged in order to simulate the activity E.g with this tool but this too, should be done on a regular basis and also at different times and days in order to avoid a footprint. As I mentioned above, don't do any radical changes when the dance hits you. The "dance" is simply a reorganisation of the millions of new entries google gets pounded with every hour, so it can take a few days to resort the billions already in the index. If the site doesn't come back within a couple of days even a week or settles at a lower position, then you know that something has to changed. If you drop after about a week (NOT BEFORE) to arround 200-400, basically you've been penalized which doesn't mean de-indexed but it can take a few months to get back and that depends on how conesqent you are(but it is easy and doesn't cost money). You will have to add one article per week, highly related to the main keywords (meaning well optimized) to your site and continue the backlinking strategy in the manner that I mentioned above. In 99% your site will come back with shining stars. There is NO need to start buying high PR backlinks (although this does help if done correctly), the problem with doing that is that google also sees when you STOP doing it. Basically you need a good HUMAN mix of everything. Better than any kind of artificial backlinking is direct traffic which is last but not least, the essence of creating a website in the first place. Real traffic kills two birds with one stone; it brings cash into your pockets and creates exponetial backlink possibilities. I'm not going to list how to do that here but I have source for you to look at, this guy is, in my opinion one of the best experts in the new aera of SEO and Traffic today. He explains everything here in great detail and gives all the necessary sources. Write for Humans, there's no point in trying to impress machines! cheers TW |
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Nice post TW. Going to check out FastTrafficAttack. The bit about thinking like a human is important. Google has mentioned though that link velocity is an important ranking factor too. I interpret this to mean that rather than 5000 links to a site in a day, you should spread those out in (random) bursts like you mentioned. Speaking of "real" traffic, a great way to promote (good) content is StumbleUpon ads. You can buy traffic for like 5 cents per view. If the content is good enough, and gets a thumbs up, people will naturally find it. Raza |
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