google backlinking

Mr.money411 · 09-29-2011, 07:29 AM

Hi,

Just been having a on going debate about google and if having backlinks still help.

this is what one webmaster been trying to tell me over and over again:

Google made a public announcement in 2009 and twice in 2010 that backlinks (PR) do not hold any weight anymore in their SE! That means ALL backlinks, whether they are relevant or not.

Now that is fact and not an opinion !!!!!

I mean to me I can see spammy and link exchanges being trash in my own opinion but this should not be the case for authority sites but I would like to know my follow warriors opinion on this topic as always feedback is appreciated

thadbong · 09-29-2011, 07:40 AM

Backlinks definitely play a part. It's not the be all and end all of how they rank you on search, but it's a factor.

How does your webmaster friend reckon that Google ranks websites then?

More importantly, what is he trying to sell you?

volaer · 09-29-2011, 07:42 AM

I think Google is just controlling the spammy side.. but not all. As long as it will look like natural, it will continue to have a good effect. Link is a link. It is not just for ranking, but also for traffic referral. So the rule thumb? Make the link to have natural growth, and make better contents even if you are submitting to article directory sites.

Mr.money411 · 09-29-2011, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thadbong

Backlinks definitely play a part. It's not the be all and end all of how they rank you on search, but it's a factor.

How does your webmaster friend reckon that Google ranks websites then?

More importantly, what is he trying to sell you?

I think my friend just likes to be more a pain in my you know where then anything lol

But after hearing it over and over I just want to shut him up lol

thadbong · 09-29-2011, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.money411

I think my friend just likes to be more a pain in my you know where then anything lol

But after hearing it over and over I just want to shut him up lol

Show him your big fat commission check. That'll do the trick.

Mr.money411 · 09-29-2011, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thadbong

Show him your big fat commission check. That'll do the trick.

yea that does always work lol

Janet Walker · 09-29-2011, 08:10 AM

PR is page rank in this case and he is right, G says it does not matter anymore.
Backlinks and great unique content are the most important things for ranking.

MattVit · 09-29-2011, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janet Walker

PR is page rank in this case and he is right, G says it does not matter anymore.
Backlinks and great unique content are the most important things for ranking.

Isn't this contradictory? You said for PR ranking, "in this case .. he is right", ie backlinks aren't useful. Then you said "Backlinks .. are the most important things for ranking".

I'm confused!

jmartinez · 09-29-2011, 08:22 AM

In my view quality backlinks are one of the most important aspects of SEO. But, PR doens't necessarily hold weight. It's good to have high PR, but lower PR pages outrank higher PR pages for competitive keywords all the time. Google is more concerned with relevance and quality of a page than PR. With that said, having a high PR is still a signal that a page has good backlink structure which is a good thing.

Kay King · 09-29-2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Then you said "Backlinks .. are the most important things for ranking".

Page Rank (PR) and ranking are not quite the same thing. PR used to be more useful than it is now. It still has some importance when it comes to high PR. People will tell you "PR doesn't matter" but those same people would not turn down a link from a PR7 site

PR is the rank of a PAGE on a site - ranking (as often discussed) is where the site places in the google order.

Quote:

But after hearing it over and over I just want to shut him up lol

Change the subject. It's a waste of time to try to convince him - learn the facts for yourself and let him figure it out on his own.

kay

marknel · 09-29-2011, 08:33 AM

Perhaps this webmaster is using this statement as a link bait for his company.

Mike Anthony · 09-29-2011, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.money411

Google made a public announcement in 2009 and twice in 2010 that backlinks (PR) do not hold any weight anymore in their SE! That means ALL backlinks, whether they are relevant or not.

lol. No such announcement was ever made. Total urban plain stupid legend

Janet Walker · 09-29-2011, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattVit

Isn't this contradictory? You said for PR ranking, "in this case .. he is right", ie backlinks aren't useful. Then you said "Backlinks .. are the most important things for ranking".

I'm confused!

Page rank and backlinks are 2 complete different things. The reason people want links from high pr sites is because high pr is typically given to authority sites meaning that that link counts much more than a link coming from a non-authority site.

MattVit · 09-29-2011, 09:42 AM

Oh I see - that'll teach me for skim reading.

Chri5123 · 09-29-2011, 09:45 AM

No-one knows for sure how Google works.

However in my experience I have found that if you make an authority site by getting the content syndicated and the "go to" places for the niches this is very effective.

JohnMcCabe · 09-29-2011, 10:17 AM

If your friend is referring to the 0-9 PageRank number seen in the Google toolbar, he's almost right. That factor doesn't have nearly the weight it did a few years ago.

A backlink (a link from another site TO your site) still has some value. How much is at partly a function of the authority of the page holding the backlink.

Keep in mind that the whole idea is to get human eyeballs on your pages. Preferably, human eyeballs with both control of the means to buy and the predilection to do so.

Ryan David · 09-29-2011, 10:51 AM

This is what you need to get traffic from Google.

Great content keeps readers coming back.
Pagerank means your site has authority.
Anchor Text validates what you're telling google about your page.

Google is, and always has, tried to convince people that if you take care of #1, then #2 and #3 will take care of themselves.

But they were giving conflicting messages by publishing the PR via the toolbar. So they stopped updating it so you'd stop paying attention to it.

It definitely doesn't mean that links don't matter.

thekaver · 09-29-2011, 10:55 AM

backling still matters most definte!

google is starting to take more % notice of the onsite and less % for backling. but backling is still a major factor

nick1980 · 09-29-2011, 10:59 AM

Rubbiiiiisssh! Quality backlinks are VERY important, and will be for a long time yet.

09-29-2011, 07:40 AM	#2
thadbong Founder FxPLR.com War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 180 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 31 Posts Social Networking	Re: google backlinking Backlinks definitely play a part. It's not the be all and end all of how they rank you on search, but it's a factor. How does your webmaster friend reckon that Google ranks websites then? More importantly, what is he trying to sell you?
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09-29-2011, 08:10 AM	#7
Janet Walker HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 188 Thanks: 4 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts	Re: google backlinking PR is page rank in this case and he is right, G says it does not matter anymore. Backlinks and great unique content are the most important things for ranking.

09-29-2011, 08:22 AM	#9
jmartinez Active Warrior Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 63 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: google backlinking In my view quality backlinks are one of the most important aspects of SEO. But, PR doens't necessarily hold weight. It's good to have high PR, but lower PR pages outrank higher PR pages for competitive keywords all the time. Google is more concerned with relevance and quality of a page than PR. With that said, having a high PR is still a signal that a page has good backlink structure which is a good thing.

09-29-2011, 08:33 AM	#11
marknel HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 164 Thanks: 6 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Re: google backlinking Perhaps this webmaster is using this statement as a link bait for his company.
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09-29-2011, 07:29 AM	#1
Mr.money411 Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lockport New York Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking	google backlinking Hi, Just been having a on going debate about google and if having backlinks still help. this is what one webmaster been trying to tell me over and over again: Google made a public announcement in 2009 and twice in 2010 that backlinks (PR) do not hold any weight anymore in their SE! That means ALL backlinks, whether they are relevant or not. Now that is fact and not an opinion !!!!! I mean to me I can see spammy and link exchanges being trash in my own opinion but this should not be the case for authority sites but I would like to know my follow warriors opinion on this topic as always feedback is appreciated

09-29-2011, 07:42 AM	#3
volaer BrandBuildIt Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: google backlinking I think Google is just controlling the spammy side.. but not all. As long as it will look like natural, it will continue to have a good effect. Link is a link. It is not just for ranking, but also for traffic referral. So the rule thumb? Make the link to have natural growth, and make better contents even if you are submitting to article directory sites.

09-29-2011, 09:45 AM	#15
Chri5123 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: U.K Posts: 1,851 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 131 Thanked 363 Times in 213 Posts	Re: google backlinking No-one knows for sure how Google works. However in my experience I have found that if you make an authority site by getting the content syndicated and the "go to" places for the niches this is very effective.
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JohnMcCabe Happy Hooker War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North of the Peace River, Southwest Florida, USA. Posts: 8,042 Thanks: 2,936 Thanked 4,905 Times in 2,618 Posts Social Networking	Re: google backlinking If your friend is referring to the 0-9 PageRank number seen in the Google toolbar, he's almost right. That factor doesn't have nearly the weight it did a few years ago. A backlink (a link from another site TO your site) still has some value. How much is at partly a function of the authority of the page holding the backlink. Keep in mind that the whole idea is to get human eyeballs on your pages. Preferably, human eyeballs with both control of the means to buy and the predilection to do so.
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09-29-2011, 10:51 AM	#17
Ryan David HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 269 Thanks: 25 Thanked 63 Times in 45 Posts	Re: google backlinking This is what you need to get traffic from Google. Great content keeps readers coming back. Pagerank means your site has authority. Anchor Text validates what you're telling google about your page. Google is, and always has, tried to convince people that if you take care of #1, then #2 and #3 will take care of themselves. But they were giving conflicting messages by publishing the PR via the toolbar. So they stopped updating it so you'd stop paying attention to it. It definitely doesn't mean that links don't matter.

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