Article Spinning Question

[Trevor]

Hi there,

I have read a lot of negative stuff on WF about article spinning, but I think this is a quite limited view on the subject.

The way I spin articles is, I write down an article of about 500 words and around 4 paragraphs and then I:

1. Rewrite each paragraph five times.
2. Rewrite each sentence in each of the rewritten paragraphs three times.
3. Spin this whole text on a word or phrase level.

I use TBS for spinning and each of the generated articles can be read without even noticing it is spun (I would not notice, anyway, lol).

Now my question is, could this content be enough for backlinking to just one site? I can generate up to 1000 spun articles at a time and use them as a source of backlinks from article directories, web 2.0, AMR...

Do you think just one such a spun article could provide enough content for backlinks to a site?

P.S.: It takes up to 4 hours to do the whole work, but I think it is worth it. If you think I do it in an inefficient way, please let me know how to squeeze more out of article spinning.

Thanks!

[johnben1444]

Thinking that you spend four hours to spin an article is really unproductive. You can use that time to have written at least three articles.

The truth is, spinning is a myth and a waste of time.

It has been posted here several times and why you shouldn't do it.

What you must know is, if you are using article for back link all you need to do is content syndication which means publishing your article on as many sites that you can find. There are sites that won't receive your article unchanged like hubpages but such sites are very few and not a problem when you consider the tons of website hungry for your content.

Whether you have different content on different sites or have one content on numerous site the back links worth are the same. It is only recommended to use unique article when you want to drive traffic to your site.

Here is a sample of what i do when building back links:

I write an about ten articles targeting different anchor and post them on my blog first which takes ten days. Each article a day.

I pick each of the published article on my blog and submit it to my lists of directories unspun which are over 150.

I submit my article unspun to press releases, web 2.0 sites and any others.

I don't bother much about the once that require unique article except otherwise.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by johnben1444

Thinking that you spend four hours to spin an article is really unproductive. You can use that time to have written at least three articles.

The truth is, spinning is a myth and a waste of time.

It has been posted here several times and why you shouldn't do it.

What you must know is, if you are using article for back link all you need to do is content syndication which means publishing your article on as many sites that you can find. There are sites that won't receive your article unchanged like hubpages but such sites are very few and not a problem when you consider the tons of website hungry for your content.

Whether you have different content on different sites or have one content on numerous site the back links worth are the same. It is only recommended to use unique article when you want to drive traffic to your site.

Here is a sample of what i do when building back links:

I write an about ten articles targeting different anchor and post them on my blog first which takes ten days. Each article a day.

I pick each of the published article on my blog and submit it to my lists of directories unspun which are over 150.

I submit my article unspun to press releases, web 2.0 sites and any others.

I don't bother much about the once that require unique article except otherwise.

And what are your results, if I may ask?

I have done both article syndication and article spinning before. One my sites went off the SERPs completely for doing article syndication, that is why I quit doing it.

[ChartTraderZ]

You can use SPINTAX, it is very efficient and in most cases Google \ CopyScape identifies it as original

[johnben1444]

Originally Posted by Trevor

And what are your results, if I may ask?

I have done both article syndication and article spinning before. One my sites went off the SERPs completely for doing article syndication, that is why I quit doing it.

Check google.com for online business ideas, internet business ideas, profitable home business and you will see my site "123internetbiz dot com" on the first page of google.

Infact, i have not been doing serious marketing for some time now just resurface 40 days ago and many other keywords are in the 2nd, 3rd, and fastly growing.

[johnben1444]

If you are building back links these are some of the things that you must keep in mind:

- Get links from a variety of sites (IPs)

- Vary your anchor text at least twice

- Get links from both do follow and no follow.

John Benjamin
Nigeria

[ulcseminary]

I spin my articles in a similar way, except that I sell courses, so I take one lesson and break the various paragraphs down and set each one to spin. I find that to spin an article well takes a long time, but I might try spinning them less and just sending them out to see what happens.

I do get backlinks. I get a huge amount of traffic. My site is informative, so a lot of people do come to my site with an interest in information. I'd like to increase my rankings, but also my conversion rates.

The annoying thing is that I have to worry about SERPs or I'll fall out of the top ten.

I find that getting a mailing list and using the crap out of it works well for me.

[arnie19]

IMO, You don't have to spin the article hard if you'll just going to use it on 100-200 sites. You'll going to get a better results if you just write another article instead of wasting time on spinning.

Besides, it still depends on how the spun article will be spun by your submitter. So whether you rewritten it hardly, in the end, it will still repeat the content.

[RayW]

There's nothing wrong with spinning; if you do it well enough, search engines can't detect it. And aren't press releases on the same story basically just spun versions of each other? What google hates is duplicate content (i.e copying content from other sites and posting it as your own), but there's nothing wrong with writing an original article and distributing spun versions of it.

[alaltaieri]

Originally Posted by raxr

There's nothing wrong with spinning; if you do it well enough, search engines can't detect it. And aren't press releases on the same story basically just spun versions of each other? What google hates is duplicate content (i.e copying content from other sites and posting it as your own), but there's nothing wrong with writing an original article and distributing spun versions of it.

do you use spinned articles for your money site or for buffer sites ?

[mmickeals]

Hello Trever,

Your process is very similar to my method for producing spinned content. Warriors who say that spinned content is useless, should really just be saying that they do not know how to use spinned content.

Spinning is done just for backlinking purposes. It is much easier to get a link indexed when it has a unique spin. Much much easier. If you are trying to get syndicated, or do article marketing, I can concede that spinning is a waste of your time and resources. If you are submitting tens of thousands of links, spinning is a must.

With the level of spinning you are detailing, you should be able to generate around 10,000 links with the one article before you start running into issues. If this is not enough for you, there are a couple of additonal steps you can use to increase this.
1.) Vary the number of sentances/paragraphs after spinning. - With your current method, the number of sentances and paragraphs will be the same for each spin. Instead consider adjusting how you spin. For an article of around 4 paragraphs, maybe you will have anywhere from 3-7 paragraphs after spinning. The same applies to the number of sentances.
2.) Spin each sentance variation more times. - I use 5 spins. By increasing to 5 from 3, you are adding an extra 2 to the exponential of how many articles you can create. So your 10,000 becomes 1,000,000.

I would also recommend that you prepare multiple articles for each niche. The real power of pumper sites come when you create multiple unique posts on them from different articles. This increases the number of backlinks for the ip, and will help lend each backlink much more power. Then backlink your pumper site very heavily to get even greater gains.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by mmickeals

Hello Trever,

Your process is very similar to my method for producing spinned content. Warriors who say that spinned content is useless, should really just be saying that they do not know how to use spinned content.

Spinning is done just for backlinking purposes. It is much easier to get a link indexed when it has a unique spin. Much much easier. If you are trying to get syndicated, or do article marketing, I can concede that spinning is a waste of your time and resources. If you are submitting tens of thousands of links, spinning is a must.

With the level of spinning you are detailing, you should be able to generate around 10,000 links with the one article before you start running into issues. If this is not enough for you, there are a couple of additonal steps you can use to increase this.
1.) Vary the number of sentances/paragraphs after spinning. - With your current method, the number of sentances and paragraphs will be the same for each spin. Instead consider adjusting how you spin. For an article of around 4 paragraphs, maybe you will have anywhere from 3-7 paragraphs after spinning. The same applies to the number of sentances.
2.) Spin each sentance variation more times. - I use 5 spins. By increasing to 5 from 3, you are adding an extra 2 to the exponential of how many articles you can create. So your 10,000 becomes 1,000,000.

I would also recommend that you prepare multiple articles for each niche. The real power of pumper sites come when you create multiple unique posts on them from different articles. This increases the number of backlinks for the ip, and will help lend each backlink much more power. Then backlink your pumper site very heavily to get even greater gains.

Thanks for your great answer. Wow, 10,000 is a lot, I have like three such spun articles that I only used about 20 times each. I will use them as well to get a big number of backlinks with unique content.

I think that what you say about indexing is the case here. With only syndication, search engines will often "skip" those pages when they see the page has nothing new to offer and do not include them in their index. I think proper article spinning can help with this a lot.

If you think about it in depth, my article has like 1700% uniqueness! It is whole rewritten 5 times on a paragraph level (500%) and then this whole thing is rewritten additional 3 times (500x3=1500%). Then of course I even add some phrase and word spins, so that is even more unique.

I think Chucky mentions it in his post here that he gets far more articles used as backlinks indexed by spinning them (up to 9/10 spun articles get indexed). I think the number of indexed backlinks gotten by pure article syndication would not be that high, may be only 3/10...

[ulcseminary]

Originally Posted by mmickeals

Hello Trever,


2.) Spin each sentance variation more times. - I use 5 spins. By increasing to 5 from 3, you are adding an extra 2 to the exponential of how many articles you can create. So your 10,000 becomes 1,000,000.

Where on earth do you find that many article directories to submit them to? Or are you submitting them elsewhere? I have a bunch of pretty well-spun articles and each one, when I put in the keywords, can find maybe 1000 places to submit and of those, maybe 200-300 total might not outright reject them. Or the site is not accepting anything new or has shut down, etc. Some I find won't accept new registration or login page can't be found or the password just never works.

So where are you submitting something 10k times? Thanks.

[Trevor]

I've only been submitting manually, can you suggest how to do it more effectively / any software that automates the task? Or any other suggestions?

Thanks

[cool sporting goods]

Hi Trevor,
I would try the the article submission helper it allows for both manual and automated submissions.
Also ulcseminary makes a good point. I was thinking do you post the same article only spun to the same article directories multiple times. Or would the article directories not allow that.

[Amy marketing]

I think spin article is noneffective.I have a good method.You can read several related articles and mix them one and then change them to your words. Though a little bit wasting time,but it's high quality and original Article.Users will like it.

[Domsa]

Originally Posted by arnie19

IMO, You don't have to spin the article hard if you'll just going to use it on 100-200 sites.

This is absolutely incorrect I'm afraid. Google is on a headhunt for spun content, so if you're doing it, do it properly. And furthermore, remove all original words from your spun content.

[JimmyR]

Originally Posted by Trevor

I've only been submitting manually, can you suggest how to do it more effectively / any software that automates the task? Or any other suggestions?

Thanks

Article Marketing Robot is the winner here. I've tried a few and settled on this one. If you don't have the money to spend, Incansoft's ArticleBot does an OK job as well.