3-Month Race To $100/Day

[Monthy]

Hello fellow warriors, ladies and gentlemen,

Although I am a new member on this forum, I have been a regular visitor of WF for about a year now. I just didn't have an account here, but I've been doing IM since July 2010.

My ultimate goal now is to be making at least $100/day by January 1st 2012. As I don't have funds to spend, I think the best way to achieve that is with the help of SEO (I can't afford paid traffic).

I have a site that started making good money, it went to $70-$80 per day. I had about 4 consecutive $70 days and it was getting better and better, while suddenly *SLAP* and my site completely disappeared from the SERPs. All of its pages are still indexed in Google, though. It's been 3 weeks since this happened, I'm working on getting my positions back.

You know what's really weird? I didn't do any mass submissions or anything, all of the link building I'd been doing was totally MANUAL, yet it was enough to smash my site into oblivion (I never made more than 15 links a day). This in fact sent three months of my hard work into the waste bin.

Now to the tools I can make use of: I own a bunch of keyword research and other SEO tools, including Market Samurai, Micro Niche Finder and The Best Spinner. As I said, I don't have funds to buy anything more now (thanks to Google B**ch), but I'm willing to do ANYTHING within morality and ethics to make my plan reality (I'm used to working 10 hours per day, no problem).

What I would love from you guys is tips on how to achieve that $100/day within the 3 months ahead of me and other recommendations on SEO software (I can work my ass off on Fiverr in order to make money to buy more tools). I welcome ANY advice you can give me!

Thank you a ton,
Monthy

[outwest]

How many pages was the site?

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by outwest

How many pages was the site?

Almost 50 content pages (excluding category, privacy, TOS, etc.).

[thesmallstone]

Hi there !
I also experienced quite the same thing with one of my target pages. It just suddenly disappear from serp after 3 days on first page. What did you do ? It's still indexed so it's not penalised.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by thesmallstone

Hi there !
I also experienced quite the same thing with one of my target pages. It just suddenly disappear from serp after 3 days on first page. What did you do ? It's still indexed so it's not penalised.

how can you say its not penalised if it disappeared from the SERPs
who cares if it is still indexed if you lost your position

[Trevor]

I suggest you focus on just one thing at a time. I cannot think of anything particular to recommend, I will leave that to other members.

Good luck!

[outwest]

Why does anyone think his site was deindexed? or penalized? course we all can just speculate but a site with hand built links and 50 pages, hmmmmm

was all the content spun? or unique?

[36burrows]

Honestly, your best bet will be to try and get your rankings back.

If it was making close to $100/day before the slap, then that's what I would work on. Adding new content and building new links to each page.

It will take more than 3 months SEO'ing a new site to $100/day, at least in my experience.

You can also offer services on the Warrior Forum, or make a WSO for some quick cash.

[NEseO]

Firstly how was the site monetized? Adsense, affiliate etc?

One way to potentially find out if a penalty has been given is to install Google Webmaster Tools and wait to see if a message is posted.

If it has been penalised then you would try to work on those areas although this is more often than not fruitless.

If it has been penalised then I would make the changes and then set up a new site and 301 each of the pages to the corresponding pages and you should be able to get back up the rankings pretty quick.

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by thesmallstone

Hi there !
I also experienced quite the same thing with one of my target pages. It just suddenly disappear from serp after 3 days on first page. What did you do ? It's still indexed so it's not penalised.

Originally Posted by Trevor

I suggest you focus on just one thing at a time. I cannot think of anything particular to recommend, I will leave that to other members.

Good luck!

I certainly hope so! Let's see how kind this forum can be to a screwed desperate hopeless warrior!

Originally Posted by outwest

Why does anyone think his site was deindexed? or penalized? course we all can just speculate but a site with hand built links and 50 pages, hmmmmm

was all the content spun? or unique?

It was all unique content hand-written from scratch by myself.

Originally Posted by 36burrows

Honestly, your best bet will be to try and get your rankings back.

If it was making close to $100/day before the slap, then that's what I would work on. Adding new content and building new links to each page.

It will take more than 3 months SEO'ing a new site to $100/day, at least in my experience.

You can also offer services on the Warrior Forum, or make a WSO for some quick cash.

Thanks for the tips, I know it's hard work to get new site to $100/day, that's why I'm super screwed right now. Just trying to not lose faith.

Originally Posted by NEseO

Firstly how was the site monetized? Adsense, affiliate etc?

One way to potentially find out if a penalty has been given is to install Google Webmaster Tools and wait to see if a message is posted.

If it has been penalised then you would try to work on those areas although this is more often than not fruitless.

If it has been penalised then I would make the changes and then set up a new site and 301 each of the pages to the corresponding pages and you should be able to get back up the rankings pretty quick.

I have the website included within Google Webmaster Tools and there's no report of it being penalized or anything, only a report saying some of the incoming links are broken.

The website was monetized with an opt in form on the side, but mainly with contextual links within reviews going to risk free trial CPA offers.

Thanks for all the answers, I can't hit the "Thanks" button, but if I could, I would.

[outwest]

Hmm trial CPA offers , perhaps google viewed the pages as doorway pages?

Trying to look at the site from a purely surfer point of view, would you categorize it as informational? useful to the surfer? or basically a site designed to get them to primarily buy something?

who knows what Google thinks half the time
I would say though, that they are looking for sites to offer value to their surfers, they want them to enjoy going to the site and even though the site may have some ads or link to places that have affiliate type sales offers, that cannot be the primary focus of the site, it should be , I ideally, a side focus of the site.

Does that make sense?
Example go to Passive Income - Secrets To Financial Freedom
that site is a perfect example of what I am trying to say google likes
it has lots of things for sale, some of the text links to , for example
Market Samurai, when he talks about its usefulness, he does link to their site and if you buy it, obviously he makes a commission

but you do not get the feeling that he is just taking from the surfer
he really truly trys to offer the surfers a lot of USEFUL information to where they feel happy to have found the site

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by outwest

Hmm trial CPA offers , perhaps google viewed the pages as doorway pages?

Trying to look at the site from a purely surfer point of view, would you categorize it as informational? useful to the surfer? or basically a site designed to get them to primarily buy something?

who knows what Google thinks half the time
I would say though, that they are looking for sites to offer value to their surfers, they want them to enjoy going to the site and even though the site may have some ads or link to places that have affiliate type sales offers, that cannot be the primary focus of the site, it should be , I ideally, a side focus of the site.

Does that make sense?
Example go to Passive Income - Secrets To Financial Freedom
that site is a perfect example of what I am trying to say google likes
it has lots of things for sale, some of the text links to , for example
Market Samurai, when he talks about its usefulness, he does link to their site and if you buy it, obviously he makes a commission

but you do not get the feeling that he is just taking from the surfer
he really truly trys to offer the surfers a lot of USEFUL information to where they feel happy to have found the site

Well I think in this sense my site WAS useful, more useful than the pack. I learned pretty much everything about the topic it was about and wrote it down in my own words.

[outwest]

It just makes me wonder though, why they whacked the site, Usually its easy some guy says oh my site was a two page site, thats a no brainer
with a hand written 50 page site, it make me thing WTF why did they wack that

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by outwest

It just makes me wonder though, why they whacked the site, Usually its easy some guy says oh my site was a two page site, thats a no brainer
with a hand written 50 page site, it make me thing WTF why did they wack that

I just checked my rankings in Market Samurai and it shows my site is #625 for its main keyword and about #100-200 for the other keywords I was targetting.

Could it be the Google Dance? It makes me think why it's taking so long, though. It's been three weeks!

Or is it possible my site is in the supplemental index? I really don't know how to find out.

[outwest]

Wish there was a way for another knowledgeable warrior way more knowledgeable than me to analyze the site to see why it went down possibly but if I was you I prob wouldnt give the url out, we are all so paranoid about our sites

[chall vandenbergh]

they probbaly did 1 of their updates that they chanced the way ranked sitle it happens some times i would suggest bring the fresh its a site about seo a it cost 60 dollars but you got your money worth it has a lot of usefull content but and have a forum full of people doing good at seo
downside they will try you to sell a ton of expensive products on the site
the site :

bringthefresh.com

[theverysmartguy]

A 50 page site that gets drop kicked to the boondocks of the SERPs? That really does have to suck.

What types of links did you use to push your site up into the ranks?

And you mentioned that webmaster tools said there are broken links coming into your site? OR on your site?

If I knew more info about the site, etc, that I might be able to see why you got kicked.

-- Jeff

[pjohn]

Any of your competitors may have posted spam links in bulk for your site. And you got penalized by Google. Check your back links and verify.

[JennyBizz]

Keep building links and adding content. Often when this happens, you site will reappear even higher in the SERPS than it was.

[NEseO]

If there is nothing in WMT then you should try a few things. Here's what I would do -

1. Keep hitting it with backlinks (make sure you vary the anchor text with keywords and also include "click here" "check this out" or the domain name type links). Also make sure they hit all the inner pages too. If there is no change in a week or two then...
2. May be considered a doorway page so maybe try removing the links and keep building links.

Just need to do some testing to see what works.

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Monthy

I just checked my rankings in Market Samurai and it shows my site is #625 for its main keyword and about #100-200 for the other keywords I was targetting.

Could it be the Google Dance? It makes me think why it's taking so long, though. It's been three weeks!

Or is it possible my site is in the supplemental index? I really don't know how to find out.

Ive had several sites of late go this route. Only way I know of to recover the Panda SHLAP is by spending coin - sorry.

I used SE Slingshot to do just that ... slingshot me back from #63 to #5 for an insurance term. 2 word keyword with insurance in it. Not uber hard insurance term like auto insurance - but none the less - its being chased now by SEO's - so its competitive.

I went 5 months before resorting to dropping the high PR backlink hammer on it - because I was stubborn. In Content HIGH PR page backlinks ... its now whats for dinner - at the google plex.

When you've tried all other free methods - to no avail - remember that - SE Slingshot.

OK - free stuff to do. I wouldnt personally do all this stuff manually but you're trying to do it on a budget or free so here's some idears.

A. Make sure you have no low quality OUTBOUND links that may have been hacked into your content like viagra and pharma or porn links

B. Make sure you havent over used wordpress tagging

C. Make sure your on page seo is tight ...

1. Blogger, Posterous, Typepad, Multiply, Tumblr, Livejournal - web 2 blog site platforms - make a bunch!!!

2. Put some good content on these - doesnt even really need to be about your $$$ sites content - just make it good and unique so it will pass moderator scrutiny. Like 3 500 word + articles with pictures and videos on interesting stuff. Like say a Steve Jobs Tribute blog - all the wonderfulness that is Apple and jobs. Ode 2 My iPhone could be another. My iPad - Oh How I worship thee another and so on and so forth.

Somehow weave your $$$$ keywords into these content pieces.

Try and setup 10-15 of these to start. Then 10 more ... and keep going till u just cant do it no mo'.

Unique content - Textbroker.com is a godsend unless u got all your life to type and write.

Let this content settle in ... for a couple weeks.

3. Start backlinking the living bejeeezuzzz out of these web 2 blog sites. Meaning pour on the links at THEM [ not your money site directly] - any kind of links - a LOT of links fiverr gigs, xrumer profiles, articles, whatever.

4. toss all the link urls you created that point AT your FREE Web 2 blogs into a link / url indexing tool. Get in touch with me I'll hook you up with a free copy of mine [ Energizer ] and some web 2 sites to get you started.

5. after the web 2 blog sites have settled in and have gone a couple 2-3 weeks past a typical point of moderation - toss the links to your $$$ sites in there.

6. Rinse repeat until your fingers bleed.

... fiverr SE Nuke Blasts come to mind - just get them to create the spun content and the web 2 sites and give you the list of the sites and the login details - will save you oooodles of time and its cheeeeep.

Then check serps for improvements after a week of getting all this content up and if you get a good bump - keep rockin.

All this will come in handy as a nice solid base of inbound links when you decide to drop the SE Slingshot links on it.

Looking forward to hearing form you ...

Good luck.

I know how it feels to have this happen - and it sucks major!

[neeralt]

Try to write some articles and submit them. Or perhaps, press release. And see how it goes from there.

[dtang4]

Seems like you may been a recent victim of the panda update.

To get your site back on track, I have a few recommendations...

- For on site, truly evaluate the quality of your content. Make sure your content is original, or as original as possible, and readable. Make sure the code is clean. If you have google analytics installed, try to decrease bounce rates and increase time on spent on site.

- In building links, you may use TBS, but try to spin unique articles. Keep your articles long, at least 500 words, preferably, 700 words. Incorporate links to authority sites and some media. Submit to a variety of properties, especially web 2.0, private blog communities, and docushare.

- Build social proof. Get facebook likes, g+ votes, social bookmarks.

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by chall vandenbergh

they probbaly did 1 of their updates that they chanced the way ranked sitle it happens some times i would suggest bring the fresh its a site about seo a it cost 60 dollars but you got your money worth it has a lot of usefull content but and have a forum full of people doing good at seo
downside they will try you to sell a ton of expensive products on the site
the site :

bringthefresh.com

I have heard of this site before but never tried it. Unfortunately, I can't afford the lifetime membership, but I will put it on my to-buy list.

Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

A 50 page site that gets drop kicked to the boondocks of the SERPs? That really does have to suck.

What types of links did you use to push your site up into the ranks?

And you mentioned that webmaster tools said there are broken links coming into your site? OR on your site?

If I knew more info about the site, etc, that I might be able to see why you got kicked.

-- Jeff

It sucks hard. I used article links (from about 15 article directories) - I used my own highly spun articles and also syndicated content from my site. Then I did the same thing on various web 2.0 sites.

I also did signature links and blog comments, but only a bunch of these - not more than 50 I think.

I also used a service called Automatic Backlinks - it's a plugin that puts outbound links on each of my site's page that has at least PR 1. I checked all the linked-to sites and they don't lack quality. In exchange for that I get backlinks from other sites - it's a kind of a link wheel but not discoverable by Google (at least I hope so ).

I would love to PM you the site but I have to have at least 50 posts. Maybe we could get in touch on FB/Skype/Elsewhere?

Originally Posted by pjohn

Any of your competitors may have posted spam links in bulk for your site. And you got penalized by Google. Check your back links and verify.

I think this didn't happen. Yahoo Site Explorer only shows the site has about 200 backlinks. Majestic SEO shows 350.

Originally Posted by thegreenninja

Keep building links and adding content. Often when this happens, you site will reappear even higher in the SERPS than it was.

Thanks, I will keep at it.

Originally Posted by NEseO

If there is nothing in WMT then you should try a few things. Here's what I would do -

1. Keep hitting it with backlinks (make sure you vary the anchor text with keywords and also include "click here" "check this out" or the domain name type links). Also make sure they hit all the inner pages too. If there is no change in a week or two then...
2. May be considered a doorway page so maybe try removing the links and keep building links.

Just need to do some testing to see what works.

I don't really understand what you mean by "try removing the links and keep building links". But thank you, anyway.

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Ive had several sites of late go this route. Only way I know of to recover the Panda SHLAP is by spending coin - sorry.

I used SE Slingshot to do just that ... slingshot me back from #63 to #5 for an insurance term. 2 word keyword with insurance in it. Not uber hard insurance term like auto insurance - but none the less - its being chased now by SEO's - so its competitive.

I went 5 months before resorting to dropping the high PR backlink hammer on it - because I was stubborn. In Content HIGH PR page backlinks ... its now whats for dinner - at the google plex.

When you've tried all other free methods - to no avail - remember that - SE Slingshot.

OK - free stuff to do. I wouldnt personally do all this stuff manually but you're trying to do it on a budget or free so here's some idears.

A. Make sure you have no low quality OUTBOUND links that may have been hacked into your content like viagra and pharma or porn links

B. Make sure you havent over used wordpress tagging

C. Make sure your on page seo is tight ...

1. Blogger, Posterous, Typepad, Multiply, Tumblr, Livejournal - web 2 blog site platforms - make a bunch!!!

2. Put some good content on these - doesnt even really need to be about your $$$ sites content - just make it good and unique so it will pass moderator scrutiny. Like 3 500 word + articles with pictures and videos on interesting stuff. Like say a Steve Jobs Tribute blog - all the wonderfulness that is Apple and jobs. Ode 2 My iPhone could be another. My iPad - Oh How I worship thee another and so on and so forth.

Somehow weave your $$$$ keywords into these content pieces.

Try and setup 10-15 of these to start. Then 10 more ... and keep going till u just cant do it no mo'.

Unique content - Textbroker.com is a godsend unless u got all your life to type and write.

Let this content settle in ... for a couple weeks.

3. Start backlinking the living bejeeezuzzz out of these web 2 blog sites. Meaning pour on the links at THEM [ not your money site directly] - any kind of links - a LOT of links fiverr gigs, xrumer profiles, articles, whatever.

4. toss all the link urls you created that point AT your FREE Web 2 blogs into a link / url indexing tool. Get in touch with me I'll hook you up with a free copy of mine [ Energizer ] and some web 2 sites to get you started.

5. after the web 2 blog sites have settled in and have gone a couple 2-3 weeks past a typical point of moderation - toss the links to your $$$ sites in there.

6. Rinse repeat until your fingers bleed.

... fiverr SE Nuke Blasts come to mind - just get them to create the spun content and the web 2 sites and give you the list of the sites and the login details - will save you oooodles of time and its cheeeeep.

Then check serps for improvements after a week of getting all this content up and if you get a good bump - keep rockin.

All this will come in handy as a nice solid base of inbound links when you decide to drop the SE Slingshot links on it.

Looking forward to hearing form you ...

Good luck.

I know how it feels to have this happen - and it sucks major!

Wow, thanks for your comprehensive answer!

I wish I could contact you, but I can't - I don't have 50 forum posts. Maybe we could connect on FB/Skype/ICQ/Aim?

SE Slingshot looks like some quality backlinks. As you pointed out, it can be done manually, so I will have to do the work myself.

I don't have any porn/gambling outbound links on my site or anything like that - only outbound links using Automatic Backlinks as xplained above.

As for WP tagging - I used my main keyword as a tag for EVERY post plus another tag - the main keyword for the post. So I included 2 tags for every article - 1 was the main keyword for the site and 1 the main keyword for the page.

I can't think of anything to improve my on-page SEO. What I've also been doing - I used my site's main keyword and variations thereof as a link from all my posts to my site's home page. Hope that wasn't marked as spam by G.

Originally Posted by neeralt

Try to write some articles and submit them. Or perhaps, press release. And see how it goes from there.

That's what I've been doing and I think I'll stick with it.

Originally Posted by dtang4

Seems like you may been a recent victim of the panda update.

To get your site back on track, I have a few recommendations...

- For on site, truly evaluate the quality of your content. Make sure your content is original, or as original as possible, and readable. Make sure the code is clean. If you have google analytics installed, try to decrease bounce rates and increase time on spent on site.

- In building links, you may use TBS, but try to spin unique articles. Keep your articles long, at least 500 words, preferably, 700 words. Incorporate links to authority sites and some media. Submit to a variety of properties, especially web 2.0, private blog communities, and docushare.

- Build social proof. Get facebook likes, g+ votes, social bookmarks.

All my content is 100% original, hand-written by myself from scratch. Each post targets one long-tail KW closely related to my main KW.

I use TBS for article spinning - I spend a lot of time on spinning articles, so that the spun versions are all readable and it can't be noticed that they are actually spun.

The bounce rate of my site 0.18%, according to GA.

[thesmallstone]

Originally Posted by outwest

how can you say its not penalised if it disappeared from the SERPs
who cares if it is still indexed if you lost your position

I can't say for certain, but my speculation is that, if it's still indexed, you can call it GOOGLE DANCE. How do u think about that?

I care about it, of course ! What I actually care is that whether it will return or not. Common consensus, or at least what I've learned, says that if your site lost in the SERP yet still indexed, you can expect it to be a part of google dance. I'd be glad to hear your experience about it. So if it's lost in the SERP it can be considered penalised ? And that means that massive backlinks can hurt my SERP. (Note : I blasted 1000 backlinks to that page before it raised to page 1 and disappear. I've put many high quality backlinks also in terms of relevance and PR)

[thesmallstone]

@monthy : I'd like to discuss further, but I dont have enough post..
Do you have skype ?

[outwest]

Whats the website for that SE slingshot service, and how much does it cost?

Oh Ok I found it, kind of expensive for a one time bunch of blog backlinks

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

A 50 page site that gets drop kicked to the boondocks of the SERPs? That really does have to suck.

What types of links did you use to push your site up into the ranks?

And you mentioned that webmaster tools said there are broken links coming into your site? OR on your site?

If I knew more info about the site, etc, that I might be able to see why you got kicked.

-- Jeff

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Ive had several sites of late go this route. Only way I know of to recover the Panda SHLAP is by spending coin - sorry.

I used SE Slingshot to do just that ... slingshot me back from #63 to #5 for an insurance term. 2 word keyword with insurance in it. Not uber hard insurance term like auto insurance - but none the less - its being chased now by SEO's - so its competitive.

I went 5 months before resorting to dropping the high PR backlink hammer on it - because I was stubborn. In Content HIGH PR page backlinks ... its now whats for dinner - at the google plex.

When you've tried all other free methods - to no avail - remember that - SE Slingshot.

OK - free stuff to do. I wouldnt personally do all this stuff manually but you're trying to do it on a budget or free so here's some idears.

A. Make sure you have no low quality OUTBOUND links that may have been hacked into your content like viagra and pharma or porn links

B. Make sure you havent over used wordpress tagging

C. Make sure your on page seo is tight ...

1. Blogger, Posterous, Typepad, Multiply, Tumblr, Livejournal - web 2 blog site platforms - make a bunch!!!

2. Put some good content on these - doesnt even really need to be about your $$$ sites content - just make it good and unique so it will pass moderator scrutiny. Like 3 500 word + articles with pictures and videos on interesting stuff. Like say a Steve Jobs Tribute blog - all the wonderfulness that is Apple and jobs. Ode 2 My iPhone could be another. My iPad - Oh How I worship thee another and so on and so forth.

Somehow weave your $$$$ keywords into these content pieces.

Try and setup 10-15 of these to start. Then 10 more ... and keep going till u just cant do it no mo'.

Textbroker is a godsend unless u got all your life to type and write.

Let this content settle in ... for a couple weeks.

3. Start backlinking the living bejeeezuzzz out of these web 2 blog sites. Meaning pour on the links at THEM [ not your money site directly] - any kind of links - a LOT of links fiverr gigs, xrumer profiles, articles, whatever.

4. toss all the link urls you created that point AT your FREE Web 2 blogs into a link / url indexing tool. Get in touch with me I'll hook you up with a free copy of mine [ Energizer ] and some web 2 sites to get you started.

5. after the web 2 blog sites have settled in and have gone a couple 2-3 weeks past a typical point of moderation - toss the links to your $$$ sites in there.

6. Rinse repeat until your fingers bleed.

... fiverr SE Nuke Blasts come to mind - just get them to create the spun content and the web 2 sites and give you the list of the sites and the login details - will save you oooodles of time and its cheeeeep.

Then check serps for improvements after a week of getting all this content up and if you get a good bump - keep rockin.

All this will come in handy as a nice solid base of inbound links when you decide to drop the SE Slingshot links on it.

Looking forward to hearing form you ...

Good luck.

I know how it feels to have this happen - and it sucks major!

Originally Posted by thesmallstone

@monthy : I'd like to discuss further, but I dont have enough post..
Do you have skype ?

Guys I just added my Skype contact info, I would greatly appreciate you hitting me on Skype. It's the icon below my avatar. Thanks!

[Lucas Becker]

Originally Posted by Monthy

Guys I just added my Skype contact info, I would greatly appreciate you hitting me on Skype. It's the icon below my avatar. Thanks!

Just added you on Skype to help you out!

[Lukas]

The website was monetized with an opt in form on the side, but mainly with contextual links within reviews going to risk free trial CPA offers.

You sound knowledgeable so I guess you cloaked your CPA links and/or disallowed the B**tch spiders from coming in using robots.txt?

I forgot to change it on one page and once I did saw an increase in traffic (from rankings)

[BarryOnline]

The automated backlink plugin sounds like just the kind of thing that would cause a "Google Slap"

I'd remove that first.

Article directories are low quality links, try to get some higher quality links

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by Lukas

You sound knowledgeable so I guess you cloaked your CPA links and/or disallowed the B**tch spiders from coming in using robots.txt?

I forgot to change it on one page and once I did saw an increase in traffic (from rankings)

I just nofollowed them, never cloaked them. I will do it to make sure this is not what's causing the drop in rankings.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

The automated backlink plugin sounds like just the kind of thing that would cause a "Google Slap"

I'd remove that first.

Article directories are low quality links, try to get some higher quality links

Thanks for your answer!

I removed the backlink plugin (Automatic Backlinks) and because I was tagging every post with my main keyword for the site and the main keyword for the post, I removed the main KW for the site from many posts, so as not to look spammy.

[outwest]

Auto backlink plugin yikes, I would think thats a big google target, and easy for them to find

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

The automated backlink plugin sounds like just the kind of thing that would cause a "Google Slap"

I'd remove that first.

Article directories are low quality links, try to get some higher quality links

Article directories are low quality, blog comments are low quality, signature and profile links are low quality... So I wonder, where do we build quality links?

[Becker13]

What kinda confuses me is if you lost all your money doing SEO once, why are you so eager to put all your eggs in the same basket again.

If you master paid traffic, email list building, and creating sites that do not rely on Google you will always have a way to make money instead of having to cross your fingers hoping that your niche site does not get slapped

Like I know a guy who was making 200 a day who is LITERALLY going to be homeless in a week or two. SEO alone does not strike me as a good career plan, especially with the fact that google is getting better at picking up BS by the hour

[thesmallstone]

Originally Posted by Monthy

Article directories are low quality, blog comments are low quality, signature and profile links are low quality... So I wonder, where do we build quality links?

Blogroll...^^
hahahaha

[thesmallstone]

Originally Posted by Becker13

What kinda confuses me is if you lost all your money doing SEO once, why are you so eager to put all your eggs in the same basket again.

If you master paid traffic, email list building, and creating sites that do not rely on Google you will always have a way to make money instead of having to cross your fingers hoping that your niche site does not get slapped

Like I know a guy who was making 200 a day who is LITERALLY going to be homeless in a week or two. SEO alone does not strike me as a good career plan, especially with the fact that google is getting better at picking up BS by the hour

I completely agree with you, but for those,including me, who don't have enough capital or are coming from countries not as rich as USA, getting paid traffic is such a luxury that not all IM starters can afford. Let alone paid traffic or aweber, even I'd have to think twice to buy scrapebox...

Yes once I've built enough capital with my now-humble online empire, I would never put all of my eggs on SEO basket.

[outwest]

Saying putting all your eggs in the SEO basket assumes you have one site or a group of sites that get mass deindexed by google

thats not exactly a common situation if you diversify

[BarryOnline]

Originally Posted by Monthy

Article directories are low quality, blog comments are low quality, signature and profile links are low quality... So I wonder, where do we build quality links?

You want to get links from a page with some PR, on a trusted site, wrapped in unique content that's related to the topic of your site.

To get these links you can pay for them or source a list of sites in your niche & offer a guest post.

I do use a little blog commenting but only on sites related to my niche & the comments that are helpful. I do also use a little article submission but no automated stuff. I use these kind of links to diversify & pad out my link profile with the high PR page links.

I've PM'd you with more details

[thesmallstone]

Originally Posted by outwest

Saying putting all your eggs in the SEO basket assumes you have one site or a group of sites that get mass deindexed by google

thats not exactly a common situation if you diversify

CMIIW That's not common yet happens quite often in some cases where you use a method and scale it. Footprint will stick. Remember the mass de-indexing/ranking drop of the one of kind of micro niches ? Please allow me to speculate that it's due to the footprints in : backlinking style,wp template, article structure, adsense placements, etc.

what I actually meant by 'not putting all the eggs in the SEO basket' is that I'd try not to rely my traffic solely on search engine in the future, but for now, I've got no options.

About diversification, I'm sorry but I've not heard enough about how to this ? Could you share more about this ?

[rinor81]

Originally Posted by Becker13

What kinda confuses me is if you lost all your money doing SEO once, why are you so eager to put all your eggs in the same basket again.

If you master paid traffic, email list building, and creating sites that do not rely on Google you will always have a way to make money instead of having to cross your fingers hoping that your niche site does not get slapped

Like I know a guy who was making 200 a day who is LITERALLY going to be homeless in a week or two. SEO alone does not strike me as a good career plan, especially with the fact that google is getting better at picking up BS by the hour

Hey Becker,

My internet marketing strategy these days is based on SEO but I understand what you're saying as SEO always changing and Google always changes itself...so, what do you suggest to do in order to stay in the course of making a living out of internet marketing?

Thanks man,

[Monthy]

Originally Posted by Becker13

What kinda confuses me is if you lost all your money doing SEO once, why are you so eager to put all your eggs in the same basket again.

If you master paid traffic, email list building, and creating sites that do not rely on Google you will always have a way to make money instead of having to cross your fingers hoping that your niche site does not get slapped

Like I know a guy who was making 200 a day who is LITERALLY going to be homeless in a week or two. SEO alone does not strike me as a good career plan, especially with the fact that google is getting better at picking up BS by the hour

You've got a point. I'd really like to do IM on other fields, not only SEO, but as I said, I have no capital to invest in. So I guess I have to start with free sources and the only thing I can think of working is SEO.

Of course if SEO brings me enough money then I will expand, but I can't really afford paid traffic now.

Originally Posted by thesmallstone

I completely agree with you, but for those,including me, who don't have enough capital or are coming from countries not as rich as USA, getting paid traffic is such a luxury that not all IM starters can afford. Let alone paid traffic or aweber, even I'd have to think twice to buy scrapebox...

Yes once I've built enough capital with my now-humble online empire, I would never put all of my eggs on SEO basket.

Just what I said. No initial cash to invest. Have to build it from scratch.

Originally Posted by BarryOnline

You want to get links from a page with some PR, on a trusted site, wrapped in unique content that's related to the topic of your site.

To get these links you can pay for them or source a list of sites in your niche & offer a guest post.

I do use a little blog commenting but only on sites related to my niche & the comments that are helpful. I do also use a little article submission but no automated stuff. I use these kind of links to diversify & pad out my link profile with the high PR page links.

I've PM'd you with more details

I'm really grateful that you are willing to help me. Sent you an email.

[phillipejorrand]

Originally Posted by pjohn

Any of your competitors may have posted spam links in bulk for your site. And you got penalized by Google. Check your back links and verify.

But this seems to be unfair! if so, anyone can do so to penalize his competitors! Google should be more intelligent to handle such cases...
If this can be the case, why spend huge money in buying high PR backlinks for our website.. we can go with the second option and buy poor backlinks for the competitors websites!

Phillipe

[phillipejorrand]

Originally Posted by thesmallstone

CMIIW Please allow me to speculate that it's due to the footprints in : backlinking style,wp template, article structure, adsense placements, etc.

Can someone elaborate on what is meant by "due to the footprints in: backlinking style, wp template, etc.... ".

Thanks
Phillipe

[Becker13]

Originally Posted by rinor81

Hey Becker,

My internet marketing strategy these days is based on SEO but I understand what you're saying as SEO always changing and Google always changes itself...so, what do you suggest to do in order to stay in the course of making a living out of internet marketing?

Thanks man,

Look if you have a quality site you can literally just use free traffic. Or instead of relying purely on SEO, when you get to to the top of google collect your traffics emails

I know a guy who is getting 500ish emails a day in a very profitable niche from SEO, do you think hes going to be hurting if google slaps him? Hell no! He wouldnt even notice. His email list will still be massively profitable.

There are literally 1000 and 1 ways to make money without relying totally on SEO. Whether you are making products, buying ad space for traffic (by the way I have gotten over 2k visitors to my site for less than 20 bucks..) there is so much potential..dont just focus on SEO

One of my most profitable sites has an email list of a couple 1000 now and it is only ranking for a single term in google. My site could crash tommorrow and I wouldnt even notice for a few days =D

Look SEO is awesome, but if you are waking up every morning betting your whole financial stability on the fact that your site still has its google ranking...your straight up gambling...

Look how many people are getting slapped on this forum of supposed experts and tell me you feel comfortable you planning your life around your google ranking.

Supposedly the OP of this thread did everything right and put a ton of effort into his site..for what?! Google does not give a flaming F if your site has content. It is improving google plus to literally KILL sites like the ones you guys are trying to rank.

Big G is not on your side, so start working with your traffic instead of working with Google

ALSO, SEO is not cheap. If you want to make money your going to have to spend money on programs and tools. I am not sure why people call it the cheap route =D

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Becker13

Look how many people are getting slapped on this forum of supposed experts and tell me you feel comfortable you planning your life around your google ranking.

I agree diversify traffic.

Thing is you'll only hear people complain on a forum like this.

You don't hear about the thousands of people doing seo that are #1, because they are happy & making money.

Two sides to every seo story...

[rinor81]

Originally Posted by Becker13

Look if you have a quality site you can literally just use free traffic. Or instead of relying purely on SEO, when you get to to the top of google collect your traffics emails

I know a guy who is getting 500ish emails a day in a very profitable niche from SEO, do you think hes going to be hurting if google slaps him? Hell no! He wouldnt even notice. His email list will still be massively profitable.

There are literally 1000 and 1 ways to make money without relying totally on SEO. Whether you are making products, buying ad space for traffic (by the way I have gotten over 2k visitors to my site for less than 20 bucks..) there is so much potential..dont just focus on SEO

One of my most profitable sites has an email list of a couple 1000 now and it is only ranking for a single term in google. My site could crash tommorrow and I wouldnt even notice for a few days =D

Look SEO is awesome, but if you are waking up every morning betting your whole financial stability on the fact that your site still has its google ranking...your straight up gambling...

Look how many people are getting slapped on this forum of supposed experts and tell me you feel comfortable you planning your life around your google ranking.

Supposedly the OP of this thread did everything right and put a ton of effort into his site..for what?! Google does not give a flaming F if your site has content. It is improving google plus to literally KILL sites like the ones you guys are trying to rank.

Big G is not on your side, so start working with your traffic instead of working with Google

ALSO, SEO is not cheap. If you want to make money your going to have to spend money on programs and tools. I am not sure why people call it the cheap route =D

Hey Becker,

Just sent you a PM.

Would appreciate your help man,


Thanks,

[keepgoin]

wow, so much incredible stuff here, guys. Thank for sharing for newbies like me!

Good luck with your 100-a-day target - seems like you'll get there if you follow the advice above.

Andy :-)

[4morereferrals]

Originally Posted by Becker13

What kinda confuses me is if you lost all your money doing SEO once, why are you so eager to put all your eggs in the same basket again.

If you master paid traffic, email list building, and creating sites that do not rely on Google you will always have a way to make money instead of having to cross your fingers hoping that your niche site does not get slapped

Like I know a guy who was making 200 a day who is LITERALLY going to be homeless in a week or two. SEO alone does not strike me as a good career plan, especially with the fact that google is getting better at picking up BS by the hour

You have a rather odd forum sig considering the content of this post ...

[Becker13]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

You have a rather odd forum sig considering the content of this post ...

I use SEO. What I do not support is how most people approach SEO as an end all. SEO should be one of many tools a internet marketer uses.

For example, if many people took the time to find out the EPC of their normal SEO visitor and how to convert them, within a month they could blow up their income (with very little risk) simply by practicing smart paid traffic with that info.