are you affected by Google Panda update Oct 13 2011

[sciaq]

Hi guys, just wondering if any of you have any clue whats going on with my site:

I was ranking 6th for my money keyword with my domain, after the October update rankings completely disappeared. Did a bit of tweaking and my domain is not in the top 500 but the blog post of the article im using as my front page for my domain is ranking 35th, the article its self has 0 back links with the domain having 300+

Any ideas whats up? is just my homepage banned?

[TheFBGuy]

Originally Posted by mrtrance

So should we setup these 20 sites sort of our own mini blog network and keep posting to them every time we want to promote a url from our money site? So if I want to rank the homepage or an internal page of a money site then each time do 20 posts across the 20 blogs with a link pointing to that page/url and submit the new blog url thru socialadr? Do you do any other backlinks or promotion to these 20 blogs besides submitting to socialadr.com?

So we reuse this same 20 blogs for every niche we have and make a new post instead of constantly make a new set of 20 blogs for each money site? Is that how you are doing it?

20 web 2.0 sites is not a rule, it can be any number you wish depending on your needs or strength of your competition.

The web 2.0 properties are to be created for each NEW individual money site, yes. They act as what Amit Singhal calls "little voices", vouching for your money/main site to the Search Engines, and the way I have showed you, with time these "little voices" grow louder. Yes in a sense they are your own mini blog network.

HOWEVER...

If you also dont want to keep creating new web 2.0's for your money sites, then I suggest creating some WordPress sites on FREE hosting, which contain NO ADS:

Step 1: Get FREE hosting with any of the sites below or all of them.

besthostingpro.com
1freehosting.com
000webhost.com
uhostall DOT tk
2freehosting.com
byethost.com

Step 2: Sign up, etc.. get a generic name, e.g: allabouttheweb.besthostingpro.com (they even let you host your own domains )

Step 3: Install WordPress

Step 4: Now you have a fully functional WordPress site just like your main money site.

Step 5: Feel free to install ANY plugins you'd like, and configure everything.
(research the plug in: Web Traffic Genius. If you can't find it, PM me)

Step 6: Create categories specific to any money site you own.

Step 7: Done

Now you are free to reuse these and post any content you want to the specified categories instead of creating new web 2.0's for each new site. You also have a bit more control than the web 2.0 sites.

... and there you have it, your own mini fully functional WordPress sites/mini powerful blog network.

An alternative to socialadr.com is socialmonkee.com

Disclaimer: Not responsible if one of your free hosted WordPress site's outranks one of your main pages/sites on your paid hosting

Implement, take action and make it happen. These actions have been responsible for my .INFO Adsense site to rise to the top.

[bummed.out]

This morning, I was sh*t upon by Google again. My one site that "survived" the Oct. Panda update dropped from spot 2 to spot 6. Result? Almost no traffic. Total day's revenue thus far: Less than 3 dollars. Amazing, the difference between position 2 and 6, isn't it?

I put a fair bit of work into my sites, for what they are - small, niche sites - I don't think it's that my content sucks; I'm a good writer...but I've waited long enough to see if things "bounce back". Time for more quality linking than what worked before.

[eguy]

I got dropped almost out of top 10. Not sure what happening. But my site was having down time often thanks to my host Dreamhost (a top worst host on the Internet). I think down time has an effect these days.

[razorhound]

Originally Posted by eguy

I got dropped almost out of top 10. Not sure what happening. But my site was having down time often thanks to my host Dreamhost (a top worst host on the Internet). I think down time has an effect these days.

Uptime is always important. Time to join hostgator I guess.

[SuzanneH]

Here's a great video (with a written transcript) from seomoz.org on their view of Panda, what it does and what people can do about it:

How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

Suzanne

[dennis1212]

WOW- quiet on the panda thread................hehehe

everyone must be rebuilding and rethinking their sites.

I got hit hard on the 14th and it was really the first time I was ever hit... it is just amazing the crap thats getting above everyone

just got my PR lowered by -1- across the board .......bout 10 pr4's became 3's, 20 pr2's became pr1 etc.

well time to get back to revamping, cleaning up and redesigning my 900 page monster; lol

hope all is good with everyone!!!

Dennis

[seoresources747]

everyone got effected by this.if you are doing well then there is no problem

[PicktownChris]

Wow, thanks for sharing that video.. I think that answers the question completely... plus it supports a lot of my theory about bounce rate etc..

Originally Posted by SuzanneH

Here's a great video (with a written transcript) from seomoz.org on their view of Panda, what it does and what people can do about it:

How Google's Panda Update Changed SEO Best Practices Forever - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

Suzanne

[SuzanneH]

@Chris: My only issue with bounce rate is that a high bounce rate doesn't necessarily means it's a bad page. I have particular calculator that ranks #1 in Google SERPs. The bounce rate is high because people come in, use it and then go about their lives. They just needed that one particular calculation, at that moment in time. However, the % of return visitors to that page is very high compared to my other pages.

From what I understand, Google does check bounce in the sense when a user clicks a link in Google search results and then bounces back to the search results and clicks another link because the first link didn't give them what they wanted. And now Google is going a step further by asking you if you want to block the website you just bounced out of.

@Dennis: Just wait till the next Panda update! I'm sure they'll be another thread started! :-) So far, my site has *not* been effected by Panda (in a negative way), but I've been following threads here and in Google's Webmaster Tools forum. You just never now if/when you're going to be hit. I've fixed up a few things on my site, but right now I'm in a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mode.

Suzanne

[dennis1212]

@suzanne - the problem I too have with bounce rate theory is that the front end of my website is html and services an offline service need. It is extremely common and natural for a potential client in my industry to bounce in and out of 5 sites in order to grab a few numbers to call, or to form an opinion and return to the few better sites to dig deeper. 90% just start calling the numbers they scraped and are in a hurry, so they make their decision on that.

In fact a manual review might not even realize which site is the best without understanding the industry and spending 20 minutes in my site and competitor sites.

Feedback from my clients have been phenominal as far as it is clearly the best site they looked over. I tend to get the smarter and more savvy clients and the idiots just hire anybody based on price. - not how long they been in business or how many credentials they carry.

currently I have a 1 page emd adsense at the top of one of the toughest most competitive terms...it has around 8 generic backlinks and no social,
then comes a generic directory, then 2 business less than a year old - my site is 10 years old.

granted things have gotten dusty over the years and it is harder to clean up a 1000 page site. Makes me wanna go get a couple emd's and rank 1 since the hard, expensive and honest way is letting me down at the moment.

[xtortionx50]

Google tends to change there policies frequently. I had my adwords account disabled from which I believe due to low grade keywords I was trying to use. I'm still not sure why, So Im not surprised that they are cracking down harder on sites now.

[Lares]

hey guys.

Did anyone have any luck recovering inner pages that got hit on October 13/14th?

Its really pissing me off seeing facebook copy/paste notes outranking my unique content. 1 month passed and still same sh**** results.

1. Amazon
2. Random authority site - duplicate content
3. Facebook notes - duplicate content
4. Facebook notes - duplicate content
5. Facebook notes - duplicate content
6. My inner page - unique content - i used to be 2nd

I guess it would be much easier to just make those duplicate facebook notes. You make them faster, you don't need to do any SEO and they rank higher anyway.

[theebookcavern]

I've not managed to recover from this update yet. In fact my traffic dropped WOW between October 14th and November 13th. It's only been the last couple of days where it has actually increased. It's up about 5% WOW which is a start but still a long way to go before it reaches pre-October 14th levels.

On the topic of Facebook notes I have heard good things from quite a few people. Could you not create a unique Facebook note based around the topic of your webpage that targets the same keyword and then include a few links within the Facebook note back to your webpage?

They don't take long to create so worst case scenario you will lose an hour of your time and best case scenario you will be able to bump 1 of the other Facebook notes out of the top 5 and hopefully get some clicks back to your website from the note.

Tom

[mrkcans]

Yes, very much affected. My sites and my clients sites suffered because of that Panda. Anyway, we can do nothing about it.

[ttomp13]

Are you guys STILL tripping about this?

It's time to cut your losses and move on.

Look, my earnings dropped from $600 to $200 a month. It sucks ass... But
sitting here trying to figure out what happened isn't going to change anything.

If your site got hit, it's time to create a new one that actually abides by
Google's Quality Guidelines.

And don't spit any bull **** my way...

If you were hit, you were doing something Google didn't like.

So

- Make a new site.
- Be sure it's a topic you really enjoy.
- Be sure it's a site that can eventually go viral.
- Be unique and do something great.
- Use Youtube.
- Use Twitter.
- Use Facebook.

Don't rely solely on Google.

I talked to a few of my fitness buddies who blog, and they don't even know
what Panda is... Why? Because they have never tried to game Google.

Stop whining and move forward.

Sitting and waiting is the WORST thing you can do!

Time to develop a new gameplan, folks.

[MaverickUK]

Originally Posted by ttomp13

Are you guys STILL tripping about this?

It's time to cut your losses and move on.

That's by far the stupidest advice I've seen in a while. To tell people to cut their losses really isn't a good suggestion to make, not when getting your site back after being hit by Panda is relatively easy in many cases.

If your site got hit, it's time to create a new one that actually abides by
Google's Quality Guidelines.

If you were hit, you were doing something Google didn't like.

Lol. So you're basically saying that the Gooogle algorithm isn't susceptible to error? It's a robot, so to speak, even these can make the wrong calls believe it or not.

Don't rely solely on Google.

And why not? If your website (as stated by you) doesn't go against the Google Quality Guidelines then what is there to worry about? You have contradicted yourself here, in one hand saying that Google won't penalise your site unless it fails to pass the Google Quality Guidelines, yet on the other hand you say don't rely soles on Google.

Make your mind up!

[remodeler]

Originally Posted by ttomp13

Are you guys STILL tripping about this?

It's time to cut your losses and move on.

Look, my earnings dropped from $600 to $200 a month. [/B]

Thanks for the great advice. So I guess that for one of the sites I have that went from $9000 to $3000 a month, I should just "cut my losses and move on". That's a great way to run a business isn't it? Don't try to figure out what is/has happened, just close up shop and start a new one. Who cares about the time and money you've invested, just start a new one.

Have you also considered that perhaps some higher quality sites were unintentionally hit with this update? I can only speak for myself, but not everyone who was hit was somehow "gaming" google with their business.

It's easy to make statements like that when you're only talking about a couple hundred dollars. Thankfully, I've not acted on your cut your losses advice the past month and instead focused on a positive way forward. I will never quit on a site that has proven remotely successful.

[wolfmmiii]

Originally Posted by Lares

hey guys.

Did anyone have any luck recovering inner pages that got hit on October 13/14th?

Its really pissing me off seeing facebook copy/paste notes outranking my unique content. 1 month passed and still same sh**** results.

1. Amazon
2. Random authority site - duplicate content
3. Facebook notes - duplicate content
4. Facebook notes - duplicate content
5. Facebook notes - duplicate content
6. My inner page - unique content - i used to be 2nd

I guess it would be much easier to just make those duplicate facebook notes. You make them faster, you don't need to do any SEO and they rank higher anyway.

I'm seeing lots of this too. I really don't want to resort to ranking facebook notes but current ROI really dictates that I do.

[ttomp13]

To have a business that will bring you wealth and success for a lifetime, you
have to adapt to the cards that you have been dealt.

By writing my post, I knew that I was going to receive negative feedback...
Your income and business just got hit... BIG TIME...

Who wouldn't be upset?

I don't have any problem with you working to get your traffic back. But at
some point, it is a smarter move to cut your losses, and move on.

I know that it is hard to hear, because you have probably put a lot of work
into your business, but...

What if your traffic and income doesn't return?

Then you have just spent all of that time trying to get things back to the way
they were, when you could have developed a new, and more stable way of
making money online.

Adaption at the right time will bring you success.

If you are currently using a strategy, getting traffic back, and seeing positive
results, by all means, keep at it.

Otherwise, move on.

If you would like to rely solely on Google for traffic, go for it. Just know that
this isn't the smartest business decision.

Want my advice?

Diversify your portfolio.

Even if you do abide by Google's guidelines, a number of things can occur,
and cause you to lose traffic.

The more diverse your traffic sources, the more stable your business will be
in the future.

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You think multimillionaires just have 1 source of income?



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The above article isn't pointed directly at anyone on here. Actually, the
article is posted at EVERYONE here.

Take it for what it is.

Don't like it?

Like it?

I don't care.

It's not my business.

It's yours.






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Don't bother replying to me, guys.

I just thought I would look into this thread, and sure enough, I was so
disappointed when I saw that many people were still sitting and waiting
for their traffic to return.

I had to do something, because many people here are doing nothing.

I can't just let people sit here, and wait for things to get better.

If you have managed to get your traffic back up to where it was prior
to Panda 2.5.2, that's great!

If your traffic is still low, then please move on. Everything is out of your
control at this point... So take control by starting fresh, and with a new
strategy involving multiple traffic sources.



Alright, guys.

I have already spent more than enough time here... Which is why I don't
post on here too often.


If I can just reach out to ONE person on this forum, and allow them to
better themselves and their business through my words, I have completed
my job here.



Taylor Thompson

[IMKid]

yup I'm seeing a lot of these too in my niches

[chrislangley]

I think Google has always rewarded aged sites, it would make sense for them to stick with those that have been around for sometime rather than an upstart

[Iriss]

It's interesting how when you call something a Panda, it is a cute little innocent creature.

What would you think of this "Panda" upgrade if they never chose to name it a cute name?

You'd be thinking that Google changes algorithm to sort out thousands of wrongfully linked sites. Hmm, that cant be good for reputation.

[SuzanneH]

From what I've read, the Panda update is named after a Google employee by the name of Navneet Panda.

Suzanne

[HorseStall]

It seems affiliate sites were hit hard by Panda. It is frustrating, because I have some sites that have great content but are large, and I think to some extent the shear size of the sites are hurting the entire site.

[delboy2010]

I have always stated that as long as you write unique content on your blog and bookmark it as you go along, and continue to create a collection of varied links REGUARLY.

[delboy2010]

you will be fine, as a result any updates should not effect you, never rely heavily on one thing keeping your eggs in one basket.