Frustrated - I Hate Link Building

[onepace]

This is more of a stress relief post than anything else, so I apologize in advance. But I'm extremely frustrated at the moment.

I've got 15 niche sites up and running and I got lucky with one, hit #3 and am making around $700/mo. I had 2-3 others that were hitting $2-$3/day, but they recently took a crap and are around page 10.

The thing is I've built no more than about 10 backlinks to these sites. They are all new within the last few months (when I started), and I just can't bring myself to do any more link building.

Here's my backlinking strategy:

- bookmark home page and each post with socialadr
- 5-10 blog comments (though I can never find High PR blogs)
- submit original article to ezine, after accepted, spin and submit to 9 other high pr article directories
- create 4 web 2.0s (weebly, tumblr, etc.) with 1 unique article spun a few times
- create QUALITY content on my site

That's it. Here's the problem...I've never actually followed my plan. After social bookmarking I end up quitting. I go to submit to ezine and think how pointless it is and it won't help. Or I go to create a Squidoo Lens and think that's pointless. Occasionally I do a few blog comments, but I have no clue how people find high PR blogs to comment on that are RELEVANT to the niche AND the owners actually keep the comment up.

I don't know what to do. I LOVE keyword research. I probably have 150 keywords just waiting for me. I LOVE to set up Wordpress (maybe because I just learned a couple months ago and it's still new to me). I LOVE to write content for nearly every niche (EXCEPT HEALTH TOPICS, MAN THOSE SUCK). I HATE backlinking.

If anything my earnings are decreasing rather than increasing. Niches that were on Page 1 are on Page 3 or worse. New niches I have are stalled on Page 2 or 3.

Just plain frustrated.

[Gary Becks]

Word of advise, if you plan to do niche marketing and built tons of small sites in easy to dominate markets than automation is the key.

I would look into investing in something like Senuke, Drippable, etc so your link building efforts can be hands off for the most part.

That leaves only keyword research and content creation to think about.

[nicnac03]

Or you can outsource it

[simonbuzz]

You can check this article on How To Find Free Unlimited Backlinks For Your Blog this article shows you how to find high pr blogs that you can use for your projects.

[RandyRandola]

I outsource that stuff because to me, it's mind numbing. But it's very important to do.

I focus my time on the high value items - anything that costs me less than $50 an hour, I outsource. Soon to be $100...

[onepace]

I don't know much about outsourcing. Do you use VAs through Odesk or do you just buy certain Fiverr gigs or what?

Would be really interested to hear any tips. At this point I'd rather use the money I'm making each month to outsource. But when I think about outsourcing I picture myself having to spend hours explaining to others how to do things.

How do ya'll not get frustrated with this stuff?

[Yogini]

It seems it would be useful to see what you've done with your site that is making 700 a month. If you didn't do a backlink campaign for it and are getting natural links to your site, then analyze what makes the quality of that site better than the others. There is no question that backlinking can be very tedious to do. It looks like you are good at keyword research and that is the foundation really, so I agree with others that you'd do better to find people to do the other tasks. If you do use wordpress there are plugins you can use for socialbookmarking and posting on twitter that can automate some of the process for you.

Debbie

[juicebrenner]

Creating backlinks is alot of work. It's alot of man hours.Outsourcing would best if you don't have the passion.It simply takes time to get ranked and the rewards will flow. The good thing is that you at least made some money. Most stories with niche I've heard otherwise. Goodluck!

[Quenta]

Outsourcing is always going to be a nice option if you're lazy to build links by yourself. I used to outsource some work to others due to my lack of time in building these links, coz' I have a family local business to handle. Always find top notch guys who do well with their services.

[ezzypro]

I agree with this totally! Figuring out good keywords and building the site are a lot of fun, but mindlessly making backlinks is... not so much fun.

[boxoun]

You feel overwhelmed because you have too many sites. Focus on one then move to the next. I can focus on more because I have resources and patience. I can go months without seeing a return and emotionally feel fine. Change how you work according to your emotional needs. If you need a sense of satisfaction to keep moving forward, then seeing success by focusing on one at a time will help. You don't trust the system. You feel like it won't help when you never give it a chance. Just my opinion.

[onepace]

@boxoun

I think you're right. I'm not trusting the system and I may be getting a little ahead of myself. I can keep up with the content and creation, but not the backlinking.

Just gotta figure out how to best outsource this or if I should buy tools like SENukeX or BMR or what.

Thanks guys.

[TheFBGuy]

No, don't waste money on SENuke, or any software, outsource your backlinking full time to a real human in the philippines with some of your 700 profits if you had backlinking as much as you do.

Link building is the boring part, however, I do suggest you just stick to it and get 2 - 3 sites also making money before outsourcing.

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

No, don't waste money on SENuke, or any software, outsource your backlinking full time to a real human in the philippines with some of your 700 profits if you had backlinking as much as you do.

Link building is the boring part, however, I do suggest you just stick to it and get 2 - 3 sites also making money before outsourcing.

I agree, outsource you linkbuilding to someone in the philippines who is going to use Senuke to build the links for you.. Lol..

[prian]

agree, blog commenting is always awaiting moderation if not so many OBL's
create a profile links (is this any good?)

but it has to be done, any good outsourcer?

[spoiledkid01]

The best thing you can do is to outsource your linkbuilding process. And i can help you with that thing. Hire a VA to do linkbuilding for you. You will have more time to do more things.

[crazyamit]

Try Out Se-Nuke For blast of back-linking or you can out source at o-desk. :-).
Se-Nuke is so simple in use and not so costly.

[WakondaMarketing]

It seems that your linkbuilding strategy is a little bit-off or kinda weak. 3 web 2.- blogs will provide little or probably no link juice at all. You can outsource your work and have them done by SEO professionals. In 2-3 months time, you will surely dominate the top spot in the search engines.

[Dex88]

Well, i just really have to agree with everyone else here who suggested the option of outsourcing. If you think about it, you should not do all these activities yourself, as you need to focus on more important things so that will really earn you a good profit. As such, you should be able to duplicate yourself especially when it comes to link building

[ChiropractorLakevilleMN]

I would be very curious to know some outsourcing strategies. As a chiropractic clinic we are not very keen on link building and have way to many other tasks to worry about.

Is there reputable companies to contact?

Are there good individuals to contact?

It seems there is so much crap built around linkbuilding and you don't every know who to trust. For example, I want to build relevant links, not just random comments on every single blog that will allow it. My gut tells me that this will be penalized in later google updates.

Thanks!

[mosthost]

Most links that can be 'built' aren't worth the effort to get them.

[DPM70]

With outsourcing of linkbuilding - if you want quality - pay for quality.

[InTheMaking]

Onepace, PM me

I'll show you a couple little secrets to help.

[TheFBGuy]

Originally Posted by Gary Becks

I agree, outsource you linkbuilding to someone in the philippines who is going to use Senuke to build the links for you.. Lol..

Next time add some value by posting something intelligent instead of trying to be a wise guy. No software will ever take the place of high quality manual backlinking.

[royljestr]

Yeah creating backlinks IS a pain!! However, you are already doing a lot of the hard work by selecting good keywords! So many people come to me wanting me to create backlinks for them but they have the worst keywords in the world!!

So, if you have good keywords just outsource the backlinks!! I can do it for you or there are several other guys here on the WF that would be glad to help you out!

[Justin Lewis]

Originally Posted by Gary Becks

Word of advise, if you plan to do niche marketing and built tons of small sites in easy to dominate markets than automation is the key.

I would look into investing in something like Senuke, Drippable, etc so your link building efforts can be hands off for the most part.

That leaves only keyword research and content creation to think about.

*cough* not to disagree on a rude level or anything, but automation is absolutely not needed.

My entire business is ran manually now and it does WAYY better than the automated techniques. I used to use automation all the time and it's really unrealiable, even with a service like SENuke and all those other tools (which I had), you're just spamming the internet with useless crap.

I think people should focus on methods that generate traffic to their websites. Think of places where people might find interest in your niche. Answer questions. Focus on building your site to a point where the visitors share your information.

There are some automated techniques that are okay in my eyes, but very few. So focus on just building quality, building something interesting, and focus primarily on traffic traffic traffic.

You'll be building links, traffic, and also helping your site.

P.S. Focus on a small range of niche sites at first. I own a little over 130 now and put no focus on "link building" persay. I put my focus on traffic generation which builds links at the same time, but gives me opportunities to get traffic to my websites even when the websites aren't ranking.

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by Justin Lewis

*cough* not to disagree on a rude level or anything, but automation is absolutely not needed.

My entire business is ran manually now and it does WAYY better than the automated techniques. I used to use automation all the time and it's really unrealiable, even with a service like SENuke and all those other tools (which I had), you're just spamming the internet with useless crap.

I think people should focus on methods that generate traffic to their websites. Think of places where people might find interest in your niche. Answer questions. Focus on building your site to a point where the visitors share your information.

There are some automated techniques that are okay in my eyes, but very few. So focus on just building quality, building something interesting, and focus primarily on traffic traffic traffic.

You'll be building links, traffic, and also helping your site.

P.S. Focus on a small range of niche sites at first. I own a little over 130 now and put no focus on "link building" persay. I put my focus on traffic generation which builds links at the same time, but gives me opportunities to get traffic to my websites even when the websites aren't ranking.

Ughh, sure. This is coming from they guy who says stuff like - Goodbye Backlinks, Hello Social Interaction and Backlinks are a waste of time. just to promote his site ?? Not to disagree with you on a rude level or anything but SEO is what I do, if you don't like it, believe it is necessary, or are unsuccessful at it then please - by all means - stop posting your worthless info in the Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum maybe a forum like this one Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and Social Forum - iPhone, iPad, iPod Forums at TiPb.com is a bit more suited for you...

P.S. There's better ways to get your signature seen and get traffic to the "Niche Optimizer University" then spreading useless information to people who are actually looking for real help...

[onepace]

Originally Posted by WakondaMarketing

It seems that your linkbuilding strategy is a little bit-off or kinda weak. 3 web 2.- blogs will provide little or probably no link juice at all. You can outsource your work and have them done by SEO professionals. In 2-3 months time, you will surely dominate the top spot in the search engines.

If this is the case, then in 3 of the niche markets I'm in, why do I see the number 1 spot dominated by the following:

Weebly, Tumblr, Wordpress, Livejournal - pointing to money site
UAW blast to each 2.0

Ezine, articleblast, goarticles - pointing to money site
UAW blast to each article

Also appears to be about 10 links from some type of blog network like linkvana or bmr?

If that is so weak, I'm not quite sure why I consistently see sites ranking top 3 using this method.

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by onepace

If this is the case, then in 3 of the niche markets I'm in, why do I see the number 1 spot dominated by the following:

Weebly, Tumblr, Wordpress, Livejournal - pointing to money site
UAW blast to each 2.0

Ezine, articleblast, goarticles - pointing to money site
UAW blast to each article

Also appears to be about 10 links from some type of blog network like linkvana or bmr?

If that is so weak, I'm not quite sure why I consistently see sites ranking top 3 using this method.

Either your really good kw research (finding extremely low competition but profitable niches). Or your really bad at it (finding low competition niches that are not worth the time because they are not profitable).

[Matt Baker]

I think outsourcing is your best solution. There are many good link builders who can help you in link building.

[Majon]

Please IM me if you are looking for outsource. Yes It may may cheap from others.

[onepace]

Originally Posted by Ron Hitson

The reason you hate it is because you have 15 websites to cover. Why build 15 websites when you can build 1-3 nice websites and go deep instead of going wide. You've guys on this very forum that make $8k-$10K from just 1 website. SEE: Rusty More

I never understood the lauch a dozen or more sites hoping each of them earns $25/day.

Why not take your time and build 1 website to start with and build that one to $300/day than move on?

How are you going to market 15 websites?

You're spreading yourself and your resources(time and money) thin.

Are you really adding vaule for the search engine users?

The reason why you quit is because it's TOO MUCH DAMN WORK!

Pick the $700 month site an explode that one, once that one get's up to a few grand than move on if you choose to do so. If you just focus on that 1 site you would not feel so out done.

You've got your work cut out and you really don't have to work that hard.

Pick one and go deep. You're going wide.


Ron

The $700/mo site is a very tight niche. There's nothing really to explode to. I put up about 10 articles and that is literally the extent of that subject. It is just sitting there making me money. I don't think I've done anything but check the ranking in the past 4 weeks.

I would love to pick just 1 site and focus there. But the odds of choosing 1 niche that is going to make me $300/day (as someone who has been IMing for 2-3 months) is not good. Not to mention, I hate off-page seo as it is now and I'm in markets with no competition. I can't imagine how much off-page seo I would have to do in markets WITH competition.

I'd love to pursue this more, but don't really have a clue where to start. Large(r) markets intimidate me.

[l88z]

So do I..I really hate link building..It's boring,make me tired and make me frustrated if it doesn't work..But..Even though I hate it very much but i always do it..You know why..? Because it's my job as internet marketer..So..Just enjoy it as process toward success..And your earning is good enough..All you have to do know is be patient..keep doing link building..I'm sure you'll get the result soon..Good luck,Dude..

[HN]

Originally Posted by mosthost

Most links that can be 'built' aren't worth the effort to get them.

Well said. Can I use this as a moto in my SEO business?
SEO.HN | Search Engine Optimization by High-Needs.LLC

[onepace]

Originally Posted by Ron Hitson

Large markets are the easiest to enter because you don't have to do all of that crazy zanny keyword research looking for "low hanging fruit".

When I do KW research I only use Google KWT. That's it.

Ok, than out of all the other sites you have. Which one can you explode? Menaing, create info products, promote affiliate products use adsense and build a list with?

I'm still confused how merely choosing large markets is going to generate traffic.

I'm not trying to be insulting. But thus far, your advice is:

1. Choose a large market
2. "Explode" the site, which I'm taking to be create quality content and a lot of it
3. Sell affiliate products, adsense, or create a product

I don't think traffic going to magically appear. Either I'm going to have to create a site that is 100% unique and creates its own market (which is unlikely) or I'm going to have to generate traffic through the SERPS.

So, whether I'm building big sites or small sites I'm still link building.

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by onepace

I'm still confused how merely choosing large markets is going to generate traffic.

I'm not trying to be insulting. But thus far, your advice is:

1. Choose a large market
2. "Explode" the site, which I'm taking to be create quality content and a lot of it
3. Sell affiliate products, adsense, or create a product

I don't think traffic going to magically appear. Either I'm going to have to create a site that is 100% unique and creates its own market (which is unlikely) or I'm going to have to generate traffic through the SERPS.

So, whether I'm building big sites or small sites I'm still link building.

Looks like someone here has some common sense.

Keep doing what your doing bro, just need to scale it to massive proportions now..

[AndyBlackSEO]

If one of your sites earns $700 per month and your main keyword is ranked no.3 then why not just focus on that one site first and try and nail the no.1 spot, as well as getting ranked for other keywords. The formula is obviously working for that site 'so' squeeze what you can out of it.

[Lakbay]

Originally Posted by onepace

This is more of a stress relief post than anything else, so I apologize in advance. But I'm extremely frustrated at the moment.

I've got 15 niche sites up and running and I got lucky with one, hit #3 and am making around $700/mo. I had 2-3 others that were hitting $2-$3/day, but they recently took a crap and are around page 10.

The thing is I've built no more than about 10 backlinks to these sites. They are all new within the last few months (when I started), and I just can't bring myself to do any more link building.

Here's my backlinking strategy:

- bookmark home page and each post with socialadr
- 5-10 blog comments (though I can never find High PR blogs)
- submit original article to ezine, after accepted, spin and submit to 9 other high pr article directories
- create 4 web 2.0s (weebly, tumblr, etc.) with 1 unique article spun a few times
- create QUALITY content on my site

That's it. Here's the problem...I've never actually followed my plan. After social bookmarking I end up quitting. I go to submit to ezine and think how pointless it is and it won't help. Or I go to create a Squidoo Lens and think that's pointless. Occasionally I do a few blog comments, but I have no clue how people find high PR blogs to comment on that are RELEVANT to the niche AND the owners actually keep the comment up.

I don't know what to do. I LOVE keyword research. I probably have 150 keywords just waiting for me. I LOVE to set up Wordpress (maybe because I just learned a couple months ago and it's still new to me). I LOVE to write content for nearly every niche (EXCEPT HEALTH TOPICS, MAN THOSE SUCK). I HATE backlinking.

If anything my earnings are decreasing rather than increasing. Niches that were on Page 1 are on Page 3 or worse. New niches I have are stalled on Page 2 or 3.

Just plain frustrated.

I feel for you, currently i am doing link building but this was because i saw my rankings and ROI go down, i think you should look at link building as an opportunity for you to get back to the first page of google, the feeling of fulfillment is unmatched when you get back to that page 1. What i did though is i outsourced article writing in order to give me more time in building backlinks.

[dagaul101]

As they say the first step is always the hardest, once you overcome that, you then start beating yourself over why you never did it yourself

[dudeshane01]

Hi
You need to consider buying scrapebox for finding high pr blog pages to comment on. As for the comments, I am getting good lift even from the low pr pages blog commenting, but manually. Do not use automatic tools or panda will eat your site like bamboo.
I can't pm yet, or I will tell you my complete linking strategy to rank for medium comp. keywords.

[bastion]

Just make a simple plan and stick to it. You can do same things for every blog, so after some time you will do everything fast and without stress. Sometimes this can be very boring, but this is what we do.

[bastion]

Did anyone actually try or check this list?

[Jacob Cuculiza]

Outsource the stuff you hate and do the stuff you like! I will pay in the end.

[Gary Becks]

So 34$ for 15 links? WTF..

[d0rhk]

Seriously how to do people like "Ron Hitson" and "Justin Lewis" get traffic to their sites?

In literally every thread you post in, especially Ron Hitson he only says "link building is bad" or "omg you dont need to build links" wtf? seriously how does one just make a website with "killer content" or w/e you call it and expect traffic to come to you? How do you "explode" your site? You throw around these words all the time in every post but you never ACTUALLY explain anything. You know what that is? A waste of space on the forum.

Both of you keep saying you get traffic and build links at the same time.. ok. HOW? Do you post a status on your fb wall? maybe post a spammy twitter tweet or something? Seriously I'm sick and tired of people posting things that go against the grain, and then never back it up. Justin Lewis keeps posting about social this social that. What are you writing topics about **** teens are interested in and posting it to Digg or something? Or Answering yahoo answer questions or something? Stop blatantly advertising the **** in your signature.

Post how you "get traffic" to your site. If you don't target "low hanging fruit" then how the hell else are you going to rank for something?

This post will probably get deleted but whatever. I'm sick and tired of how crappy this forum has gotten with both spammers posting one line posts that literally have nothing to do with the OP or are "I like this information much very" written by a person who clearly doesn't know english.

You know what works OP? Building web 2.0 properties. Getting high PR homepage links, doing guest posts on relevant blogs. Join BMR, its amazing. Join a network that distributes your articles. Link building sucks, I know. I outsource it to someone in some third world country for pennies.

[bamstk090]

i say don't use crap link building strategies
like blog comment and profil backlink

i can help you do link building see at my thread Premium Backlink Service For Serious Internet Marketers

[Gary Becks]

Originally Posted by d0rhk

Seriously how to do people like "Ron Hitson" and "Justin Lewis" get traffic to their sites?

In literally every thread you post in, especially Ron Hitson he only says "link building is bad" or "omg you dont need to build links" wtf? seriously how does one just make a website with "killer content" or w/e you call it and expect traffic to come to you? How do you "explode" your site? You throw around these words all the time in every post but you never ACTUALLY explain anything. You know what that is? A waste of space on the forum.

Both of you keep saying you get traffic and build links at the same time.. ok. HOW? Do you post a status on your fb wall? maybe post a spammy twitter tweet or something? Seriously I'm sick and tired of people posting things that go against the grain, and then never back it up. Justin Lewis keeps posting about social this social that. What are you writing topics about **** teens are interested in and posting it to Digg or something? Or Answering yahoo answer questions or something? Stop blatantly advertising the **** in your signature.

Post how you "get traffic" to your site. If you don't target "low hanging fruit" then how the hell else are you going to rank for something?

This post will probably get deleted but whatever. I'm sick and tired of how crappy this forum has gotten with both spammers posting one line posts that literally have nothing to do with the OP or are "I like this information much very" written by a person who clearly doesn't know english.

You know what works OP? Building web 2.0 properties. Getting high PR homepage links, doing guest posts on relevant blogs. Join BMR, its amazing. Join a network that distributes your articles. Link building sucks, I know. I outsource it to someone in some third world country for pennies.

That's the point, neither of them rank for anything. They are simply trying to bash link building so they can build hype for their crappy social media academies/wso/ect.. At least that is the case with the Justin Lewis guy. As for this Ron Hilston, I am starting to believe he may be truly clueless.

[John Brown]

You're making $700 a month and you can't be bothered to outsource? How/when do you expect your business to get better without outsourcing? It's the next logical step and should be done as soon as you can afford it.

Then you'll start an exponential growth. If you wanna go cheap (if maybe you're using some of that 700 for bills etc) check out Sick Submitter. It's extremely powerful but it takes a lot of time to run and set everything up. So you can do a lot of work and have mass diversity but you're going to have to put time in where as if you paid someone to backlink you just manage, no time. In my experience piddly hand backlinking is not worth the time it takes to do it unless you have some valuable high pr bl's, which obv you should do by hand.

So I suppose it depends on your time/money.

[whoismarktaylor]

here is a strategy.

Take the time and trouble to build up an effective Link network.

This could be a simple as to set up Tumblr, WordPress.com, postureous, hubpages, squidoo Lenses, Facebook pages, and maybe a few other web 2.0 properties.

Once you have settled this link network you can create or curate, content that is appropriate.

Place the content on your premium domain and take the feed URL and submit it to a feed aggregator.

(In fact you can take the feed URLs from their all your properties and create a ‘mix ‘.)

Whether you use the mix or just the blog feed, take the URL created, and submit it to ping.FM.

You can create another round of social profiles for that ping account and ping.fm will automatically post to those profiles whenever new content is uploaded or found in the feed.

Mark

PS if you use a rss footer plugin you can place a suitably formatted anchor text link into the footer of your feed.... hint hint..

[Dana Haenner]

Originally Posted by RandyRandola

I outsource that stuff because to me, it's mind numbing. But it's very important to do.

I focus my time on the high value items - anything that costs me less than $50 an hour, I outsource. Soon to be $100...

...broken record....and I agree!
You have to find the highest and best use of your time. If you've found a $700/mo niche I'd be dumping most of that back in to ensure that position and niche and future income is rock solid.by the way, nice find! What niche was that in again? (kidding)

Be the 'brains' not the 'muscle'. Have the vision, don't execute it....etc..

best to you