I'm on pg.1 Yahoo/Bing - NOWHERE on Google, has Google targeted my sites?

[Seth Stewart]

I have a 2-month old domain that's firmly in position #6 on pg.1 in both Yahoo & Bing. It is not ranked at all on Google, nor has it ever been.

I'm about to do a costly backlinking campaign to it. I did a few simple SENukeX campaigns to it prior, and I'm sure that's what got it up to pg.1 in Yahoo & Bing.

But before I pay for the new BL campaign, I'm wondering...is it possible Google has a clamp on ever ranking this site, because the domain has the same registrar name, and is sitting on the same cPanel on the same server, as a bunch of other lower-quality sites that Google doesn't like and stopped sending link juice to (after Panda.)

It just seems too weird to be on pg. 1 on the other SEs and not even pg 25 or 100 on Google...that can't be random. If they have targeted my sites, all the B'linking in the world probably won't get it ranked on Google, and I don't want to waste time & money. I don't know if it would help, but I could change the registrar name on the domain, then clone it and re-erect it on a different host/server account.

Best advice?? Thanks

[Justin Stowe]

It definitely isn't helping that your site is hosted on the same IP as a bunch of domains that Google doesn't like.

If you have another hosting account/option, you can try switching it to see what happens. Sometimes it makes a big difference- hence why so many SEO companies use multiple IP addresses.

[AlexF]

Your websites might have been penalized by Google...

Before you spend any effort/time/money on the sites, you should do the following:

Step 1 - get Google webmaster tools for the websites (if you don't have it already)
Step 2 - file a "reconsideration" request from within Google webmaster tools

You will receive an answer from Google regarding the status of your site (within a week or 2).

If the answer is that the sites are ok - you can do some link building.

If the answer is that the websites violate Google's quality guidelines - save your time and efforts and promote other websites instead.

Hope that helps!

Alex

[John Romaine]

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I have a 2-month old domain that's firmly in position #6 on pg.1 in both Yahoo & Bing. It is not ranked at all on Google, nor has it ever been.

How do you know? How have you checked? For what keywords? Is it indexed in Google? Have you looked?

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I did a few simple SENukeX campaigns to it prior, and I'm sure that's what got it up to pg.1 in Yahoo & Bing.

Stop blasting the web with useless links, hoping that something "might give". Learn proper SEO ....please

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

...because the domain has the same registrar name, and is sitting on the same cPanel on the same server, as a bunch of other lower-quality sites that Google doesn't like and stopped sending link juice to (after Panda.)

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Is the site even indexed????

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

It just seems too weird to be on pg. 1 on the other SEs and not even pg 25 or 100 on Google.

Whats weird about it?

You're making a comparison based upon two completely separate/different ranking algorithms. Changing hosts, or messing around with different Cpanels isnt going to help you at all.

Im first page, usually first spot for most of my websites, before Im even close to being anywhere near 1st page in Google. Thats just how it is. Anyone that monitors their sites closely knows this.

Originally Posted by Justin Stowe

It definitely isn't helping that your site is hosted on the same IP as a bunch of domains that Google doesn't like.

If you have another hosting account/option, you can try switching it to see what happens. Sometimes it makes a big difference- hence why so many SEO companies use multiple IP addresses.

This is pointless. I have a few sites that were slapped by Panda. Theyre sharing the same hosting accounts as others that are ranked first spot for my target keywords.

"Trying stuff" in hope that it works, isnt exactly a solid strategy. Besides, his site is only 8 weeks old!

Originally Posted by AlexF

Your websites might have been penalized by Google...

How can you make this assumption? Based on what???

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

Step 2 - file a "reconsideration" request from within Google webmaster tools

File a reconsideration request? What are you reconsidering????

He needs to check the most obvious things first, then make objective decisions based upon that.

[shawoon98]

In google search for http://yourwebsitelink.com
if your site is found, then it's indexed. If not then it's not indexed.
Make sure you take action to be indexed in google.

[nicolas simpson]

I have had a site banned before on google. Some times they ban the domain for a few months sometimes longer. I suggest you try opening new account with your registrar and transfer your blocked domain name to it.

I founded this trick out first when i had a domain name blocked by google. then i went on to sell that website. I had the person who bought the site created a new account with godaddy, right ofter i transfer the domain name to their account i noticed that the site's pages where been listed in google again.

May i had that i was hosting this domain name on godaddy, so you may not need to change the registrar but creating a new goaddy account might just get your domain name back up and running.

Best regards.

[Seth Stewart]

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

How do you know? How have you checked? For what keywords? Is it indexed in Google? Have you looked?
Is the site even indexed????

Im first page, usually first spot for most of my websites, before Im even close to being anywhere near 1st page in Google. Thats just how it is. Anyone that monitors their sites closely knows this.

I have a few sites that were slapped by Panda. Theyre sharing the same hosting accounts as others that are ranked first spot for my target keywords.

Thanks, ramone-johnny, for your experienced replies (although you do sound kind of impatient in your tone...keep in mind not every IMer may be as "seasoned" as you .)

Sorry I didn't make it clear in the OP, but, yes, the site is indexed and has been since 48 hours after erected. It shows 32 page/post results in a Google site:mydomain.com search.

And yes, I have checked, for the 1 main and 5 LSI keywords I'm trying to rank for, on both RankChecker and Market Samurai. The main KW and 2 others are the ones ranking on Yahoo/Bing.

And yes, I do monitor my sites closely, but did not know that we usually rank high on Yahoo/Bing for weeks before even showing up on Google, or that having the site under the same name/same server as other Google-deranked sites has "absolutely nothing to do with anything." I have been told by some others that Google does, in fact, make a connection. But your example of sites you have at #1 sitting on the same server as Panda-slapped ones would tend to disprove this, thanks.

Lastly, I do know proper SEO, please. All my pages are perfectly on-page-optimized for their keywords and I am also sending them many high-quality in-anchor, in-content links from various high-PR article networks. I don't agree that complimenting that with a few simple Nuke campaigns immediately means blasting useless links or not knowing proper SEO. But I'd be happy to learn more from you about "proper SEO" if you're willing.

[Andyhenry]

The short answer is - No.

Google does not care enough about your site to target it for special treatment.

Not sure what you're doing but Google comes to my sites before I've even finished building them, so if you're having to wait weeks - something must be wrong with the way you're building your site.

[Seth Stewart]

The range of answers one gets about Google targeting is pretty crazy.

Some, like ramone_johnny, say there's absolutely no connection between having your "good" sites on the same server, or in the same name, as ones that have been nailed by Google. Others swear there is, and Google's algo-bots or manual reviewers will penalize all your sites once they find a few they don't like, by connecting them through your server or your registrar name.

Some like Andyhenry, say my site's too small for Google to single it out for targeting. Others insist that even their most unimportant sites have been nailed by Google's algo.

I have a friend that had 280 sites all on the same server, that were relatively low-quality affiliate sites and autoblogs. One morning he found one that had been completely de-indexed. Three days later, all in one fell swoop, all the 279 remaining ones were de-indexed at once. You can't tell me Google hadn't somehow connected these all up, whether by his server, his reg. name, his IP, or something. 280 sites, nothing black-hat or out-of-compliance on any of them, just maybe low-quality aff. sites, and they all get nailed at once? ...C'mon!

It's a shame that nobody seems to have the definitive answer for this.

[sstoney200]

This happened to my site too, I was between number 1 - 6 on yahoo and bing very quickly, but it took much longer for my site to raise up the google results!

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

How can you make this assumption? Based on what???


File a reconsideration request? What are you reconsidering????

There is no assumption here... I simply said that the website might have been penalized... You can't know for sure unless you contact Google.

Google call this a "reconsideration" request - so I just used their terminology. Here is more info about it:
https://www.google.com/support/webma...er=35843&hl=en




Hope that helps.

Alex

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

Some like Andyhenry, say my site's too small for Google to single it out for targeting. Others insist that even their most unimportant sites have been nailed by Google's algo.


It's a shame that nobody seems to have the definitive answer for this.

You're mixing up the messages.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

When I said your site is too small for Google to pay special attention to - I did not say that this means it hasn't been penalised.

These algorithms change all the time and many 'normal' sites get slapped (often temporarily).

That doesn't mean they're picking on you or even know your site exists. It just means that their algorithm change affected it.

You can step on an ant by accident - that doesn't mean you paid special attention and specifically targeted it.

Andy

[EdHanson]

Originally Posted by Seth Stewart

I have a 2-month old domain that's firmly in position #6 on pg.1 in both Yahoo & Bing. It is not ranked at all on Google, nor has it ever been.

Is your site indexed in google? your can check by entering "site:yourdomain" in the google search box.

I'm about to do a costly backlinking campaign to it. I did a few simple SENukeX campaigns to it prior, and I'm sure that's what got it up to pg.1 in Yahoo & Bing.

I wouldnt do that at the moment -> well until I know whats going on.

But before I pay for the new BL campaign, I'm wondering...is it possible Google has a clamp on ever ranking this site, because the domain has the same registrar name, and is sitting on the same cPanel on the same server, as a bunch of other lower-quality sites that Google doesn't like and stopped sending link juice to (after Panda.)

From my point this isnt very relevant. On one of my hosting/server there are 5 ips and 10 clients. there are over 60 sites on that server many are very poor. I still have 3 sites ranking very well.

It just seems too weird to be on pg. 1 on the other SEs and not even pg 25 or 100 on Google...

This is not wierd at all. Bing and Yahoo are somehow "connected" or better bing uses data from yahoo - this was mentioned on a "white paper" earlier this year. So even Ranking in Yahoo would get you a good ranking in bing both dont have anything to do with google.

that can't be random.

Well it is.

If they have targeted my sites, all the B'linking in the world probably won't get it ranked on Google, and I don't want to waste time & money. I don't know if it would help, but I could change the registrar name on the domain, then clone it and re-erect it on a different host/server account.

I wouldnt say that or take it as a "written must be so".
I had a site banned do to a fault I made with scrapebox.
I got my site back into google within 12 days and ranked on third page a week later.
It sounds hard but was quite simple and is now a part of my "strategie":
I use Market Samurai to spy the backlinks from my top comp. and take all the high pr backlinks. I mix them and make 3-4 a day BY HAND like pr 5 then pr 2 then pr 3.
I create 3-4 videos added them to youtube and other video sites and place links to the site also posted/sheduled them on my site 1/day, create a facebook fanpage linked to the site, a twitter account and setup all information with sitename/keyword and site links, add a social share plugin (FB Like/share +1 twitter), a flickr account and add some images, do slightly article submission 1 per day over 10 days BY HAND and sheduled content on my site for 14 days (mixed image galeries, videos, articles) add the site to ping.fm and connect to fb and twitter, submit the site to socialmonkee. Drive traffic from twitter using TA then bought some FB likes and +1.

That helped my site alot its work but helps. However I would only do that if the site is really worth it. Sometimes a simple theme change works wonders...

In your shoes - I would first check if the site is indexed, my onsite seo is ok the content is unique enough how the backlinks look like if the theme is ok and cross check browsers, loading time, robots.txt, htaccess, check the entire site for broken links and the images (maybe copied/downloaded?), check the plugins and what kind of offers are on the site popups exitcatcher...

I try to have at least 3x 400 word articles 3-5 images on start and increase for adsense to max 15 articles and 9-12 images sheduled 1 per every 3-4 days. worls good for me.
Just my thoughts.

[Aussie_Al]

Originally Posted by sstoney200

This happened to my site too, I was between number 1 - 6 on yahoo and bing very quickly, but it took much longer for my site to raise up the google results!

I am of the opposite experience - I have had sites rank Google page 1 position 1-3 rather quickly and still be no where on Bing or Yahoo.

[sstoney200]

Originally Posted by Aussie_Al

I am of the opposite experience - I have had sites rank Google page 1 position 1-3 rather quickly and still be no where on Bing or Yahoo.

Really? I thought it was common understanding that Google takes longer to rank well? haha Hmm You said you 'have' had sites, have you had others that have ranked in yahoo and bing first then?

[refinancepro]

Yahoo shows Bings results... why not just say it ranks on Bing?