Buy Expired Domain With High PR

[emilix123]

if I buy a expired domain With High PR checking that is not fake PR
how do I keep the PR of the site and do not disappear after 3 / 4 weeks?

I saw that many blog networks use this technique
I went to do a search and many of these sites have a high pr but very few backlinks of yahoo.com why?

Thanks

[retsek]

Originally Posted by emilix123

if I buy a expired domain With High PR checking that is not fake PR
how do I keep the PR of the site and do not disappear after 3 / 4 weeks?

I saw that many blog networks use this technique
I went to do a search and many of these sites have a high pr but very few backlinks of yahoo.com why?

Thanks

Simple. You build backlinks to them.
I bought some dropped PR4 and a few of them got PR5, while others dropped down to 2 or 3. The difference between them is amount of backlinks built after purchase.

It's also good to investigate the domain history before buying ..look at the backlinks it has currently and make sure they're still active.

[Mike Anthony]

emilix,

There are several steps to evaluating the right aged domains to buy. Although what Retsek says has merit and is something you would want to do eventually - the whole idea is to get aged domains that will not need much backlinking. After all you are really buying the domain with PR because of links.

I put a lot more into my domain buying process and checks before I buy domains - much more than I can go into here - but of course you want to make sure the domain is not faked and you want to make sure you look over the links. IF you do your homwe work then the domains will keep their PR. If you buy domains with just a few links or you buy domains with the wrong kind of links you will end up wasting money and would be better off buying brand new domains because those sites will lose their PR in no time.

If you have to build links to maintain your PR too often then theres no point in buying aged domains to begin with. My aged domains tend to keep their links and Pr unless I get lazy and do something that makes them lose it (like forget to setup the sites properly - which with PR2s and 3s in the past I have gotten busy and forgot to do that on a couple)

[Anang Andriana]

That’s good, I have done this technique. You have to add more backlinks from other sites which are high pr and good quality.

[prcys]

Originally Posted by emilix123

if I buy a expired domain With High PR checking that is not fake PR
how do I keep the PR of the site and do not disappear after 3 / 4 weeks?

I saw that many blog networks use this technique
I went to do a search and many of these sites have a high pr but very few backlinks of yahoo.com why?

Thanks

The thing first you need to know is that high page rank is not depend only on the backlinks. But high pr depends on the many factors like quality content, inbound & outbound links, less bounce rate , high conversion rate and many factors. So if not so much backlink but if one has the complete quality on the site then the site has the high rank. So if you want to get the traffic and more backlinks then use the seo methods but get the quality backlinks and not care much for the quantity of the links.

[emilix123]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

emilix,

There are several steps to evaluating the right aged domains to buy. Although what Retsek says has merit and is something you would want to do eventually - the whole idea is to get aged domains that will not need much backlinking. After all you are really buying the domain with PR because of links.

I put a lot more into my domain buying process and checks before I buy domains - much more than I can go into here - but of course you want to make sure the domain is not faked and you want to make sure you look over the links. IF you do your homwe work then the domains will keep their PR. If you buy domains with just a few links or you buy domains with the wrong kind of links you will end up wasting money and would be better off buying brand new domains because those sites will lose their PR in no time.

If you have to build links to maintain your PR too often then theres no point in buying aged domains to begin with. My aged domains tend to keep their links and Pr unless I get lazy and do something that makes them lose it (like forget to setup the sites properly - which with PR2s and 3s in the past I have gotten busy and forgot to do that on a couple)

in practice do you recommend to buy domains that have a real page rank and many backlinks

if they have a few backlinks = bad sign

it is normal that if I buy a domain that has high PR means i don't want lose a lot of time behind building backlinks

what's the point?

I buy a new domain and build backlinks!

[nicktyler]

If you buy a new domain and build your own abcklinks you can be sure about the state and history of the site and know where any PR has come from. After all you will have created it your self.

Buying an aged domain with PR is simply a short cut. Someone else has allready done the work, which you have to pay for. It is the same as anything really. As there is money involved there are people who intend to trick others into parting with their cash by faking the product.

[epathj]

you could build some more links from high pr page.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by prcys

The thing first you need to know is that high page rank is not depend only on the backlinks. But high pr depends on the many factors like quality content, inbound & outbound links, less bounce rate , high conversion rate and many factors.

If you have no idea what you are talking about, you really shouldn't speak.

Content, bounce rate, and conversion rate have nothing to do with PR.

Kindly step away from the keyboard.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by emilix123

in practice do you recommend to buy domains that have a real page rank and many backlinks

if they have a few backlinks = bad sign

I'm sure Mike will answer too, but if I find that the PR is being obtained mostly through 2-3 links, than I would pass on the domain. If one of those links disappear, most likely so does the PR.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by emilix123

in practice do you recommend to buy domains that have a real page rank and many backlinks

Its a balance because you will find that the market has wised up. many links on a PR3 can make it sometimes as high priced as a PR4. You need to balance the links with the price

if they have a few backlinks = bad sign

Theres a bit more to it than that but yes thatsa good starting rule. 3 or less links is a definite warning sign to stay away.

it is normal that if I buy a domain that has high PR means i don't want lose a lot of time behind building backlinks

Thats right it doesn't make sense. You want enough backlinks of the right quality before you buy. Yes you may need to occasionally beef up some domains but if you have to rebuild the domains because they have no links a few months after the domains transfer then there is no point.

You have to do the backlinks checks and learn to pass when the numbers tell you no. Don't make the bidding process suck you into overbidding. A Lot of people think they know what they are doing because they know how to check for fake PR etc. Truth is some "Faked" PR are not really faking in the strictest sense of the word and can be great buys as long as you know the real links the domain itself is getting - without any redirects. Checking backlinks and knowing what to look for is equally important.

I bought a faked PR5 a couple months back. Everyone ran away from it because they thought - fake. Got it for $20+ because it really was a PR3. Guess what? - recent update - Its still a PR3 with some good links including a well known newspaper. See registrars don't really fake PR when they sell expiring domains. The sites simply had redirects which can be put into place for various reasons. Moral of the story. take the time to check links. If you do you find the great deals and if you don't you can end up wasting lots of money.

[Mike Anthony]

Incidentally I wanted to congratulate you (OP) on using your mind. After just going back and forth with SenukeX advocates trying to convince people to spend $147 a month for PR zero and N/A links its nice to see someone who has thought it through and is choosing a far more logical and powerful approach. Long term its even cheaper.

Best wishes.

[mosthost]

Expired domains hold their PR a lot better if the links are aged and related. Checking backlinks by hand should tell you everything you need to know.

That said, good domain names are still very important, just for general marketability.

[JSProjects]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If you have no idea what you are talking about, you really shouldn't speak.

Content, bounce rate, and conversion rate have nothing to do with PR.

Kindly step away from the keyboard.

Sadly, advice like this is spreading like wildfire throughout this, and other, forums.

We're all wrong from time to time. And we all have our own opinions. But that's just bad information.

[Jeromero]

Guys thank you so much for clearing up so many questions I had about this subject.
I would like to ask for an advice. I found nice 2 domains which I can get for normal registering price. They are 11 years old but have no PR (PR0) and no backlinks. Is the age going to help in building a solid PR? I don't mind spending a bit of time building the backlinks.
So the question is:
Is the age going to help in building a solid PR?

[outwest]

Personally after observing about 20,000 kws top 10 competition in the last few months I have determined that

1. PR of domains is not that hard to outrank even PR5 domains (assuming they are poorly backlinked)
2. Age of domain, same thing, means nothing

these guys paying big bucks for aged domains with high PR, if they are doing it for a backlink network they want to charge for thats different, may be worth the money

if they are doing it for themselves? to get an advantage over the other guy? I think its a waste of money. Better to spend the money on backlinks than an aged high PR domain, (since they are certainly not cheap)

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Jeromero

So the question is:
Is the age going to help in building a solid PR?

PR is a measure of the quality of backlinks coming in to a webpage. I have never found any evidence of age giving any kind of a boost to the PR.

Originally Posted by outwest

1. PR of domains is not that hard to outrank even PR5 domains (assuming they are poorly backlinked)

if they are doing it for themselves? to get an advantage over the other guy? I think its a waste of money. Better to spend the money on backlinks than an aged high PR domain, (since they are certainly not cheap)

This is not entirely true. I agree you can find tons of high PR pages being outranked by low PR pages. However, if you dig in a little deeper to those situations, you will find that the higher PR page is not targeting that keyword, or at the very least not targeting it as heavily as the lower PR page is. That is the reason for the lower PR page outranking the higher PR page.

Now if you buy a high PR domain to use for your main site, you most certainly can have a significant advantage over low PR pages targeting the same keywords. Not to mention if you setup the site structure in a way to really take advantage of internal links, you will find getting a top ranking much easier than if you start with a brand new domain.

[retsek]

The idea behind aged domains is that Google trusts the "good" ones. Trust and pagerank are two very different things.

My experience also shows you can be much more aggressive in link building vs a brand new domain.

I like to find domains that are 5+ years old and listed in DMOZ already. I buy them up before they expire and re-create a website on the same topic. Works really well for Adsense Niches and building authority sites.

[mosthost]

Aged domains are a gamble, like anything else. If the backlinks go away, so does the PR. Without the PR you have an old domain. Not nearly as exciting

[GeorgR.]

Originally Posted by emilix123

if I buy a expired domain With High PR checking that is not fake PR
how do I keep the PR of the site and do not disappear after 3 / 4 weeks?

Thanks

This is actually not that easy and fast to do.

You will have to re-create the original site, if necessary with the help of archive.org because if the site is still having links out there they need to point at existing content - OTHERWISE they will vanish over time if the content does not exist anymore.

So naturally, a domain can have whatever PR you want from the past..if there is no content on the other end matching the still existing links the PR will be gone sooner or later. Google doesn't keep links which point nowhere.

Alternatively, you purchase a site which still has all content/links intact and build upon that existing site.

[GeorgR.]

Sorry..laughing at the bunch of answers here "you build links". This doesn't answer the question of the OP IMO. The link juice from the old links will still vanish over time...so if you have to build links you can as well start off with a fresh domain without PR and dont need to purchase a "high PR" domain.

[outwest]

Even if the "aged links" are aged, they 99 percent of the time are still not anchor text targeted towards your kw so what good are they , really?

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

Even if the "aged links" are aged, they 99 percent of the time are still not anchor text targeted towards your kw so what good are they , really?

They are still a ton of good.

I know you are a fan of using a silo structure for a website. So imagine you do that, but you are starting with a domain that has a PR of 4. That makes those internal links way more powerful. You will find the individual pages gaining PR and rankings faster.

[topfan]

what tool do you use to buy high PR aged domain? I am running online dating do I need to buy relevant domain?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

They are still a ton of good.

I know you are a fan of using a silo structure for a website. So imagine you do that, but you are starting with a domain that has a PR of 4. That makes those internal links way more powerful. You will find the individual pages gaining PR and rankings faster.

Mike don't even waste the time. Outwest and GeorgeR have been in many threads like this one. If they still think that aged domains always lose their links or don't understand that linking form a high Pr domain is important they still won't get it if you explain it again.

For the newbies

A) I have aged domains I almost forgot about and when I go back 6 months later they are mostly the same PR. No link building. If you have a clue what you are doing that happens all the time.
B) Saying Pr does not matter because you can outrank a site with higher Pr for a term that they are NOT targeting is just not understanding link building very well. Sure if a PR5 is not targeting a particular term then you can target it and bet them because they are not after what you are. If however the links that brought it its PR are for a particular keyword they are targeting then you will not beat them without building up your own links.
C) buying links over buying domains is FAR more expensive long term. People in this thread suggesting that just are not thinking nor adding up their expenses.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by topfan

what tool do you use to buy high PR aged domain? I am running online dating do I need to buy relevant domain?

domains are not relevant content is

[Goath]

@ Mike

Still, I think GeorgR. has a point. If you buy an aged domain name without content (when it's expired), then a lot of links will point to pages that doesn't exist anymore. Those pages passed some link juice to your homepage (which still exists and has a PR), but eventually the "link love" of your subpages will vanish (as GeorgR. said), which is true.

If your subpage loses links and pagerank, they have likely to pass less juice to your homepage resulting in your homepage to lose some PR (or some strength)

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Goath

@ Mike

Still, I think GeorgR. has a point. If you buy an aged domain name without content (when it's expired), then a lot of links will point to pages that doesn't exist anymore. Those pages passed some link juice to your homepage (which still exists and has a PR), but eventually the "link love" of your subpages will vanish (as GeorgR. said), which is true.

If you wish to believe that then believe it. I've shared enough on this site regarding this issue. I'm not going to go on endlessly sharing the same points over and over. I've become tired of the same myths. No matter how often you rebut them they come back up again and again. Like competition count being a matter of search result count, blasting links will rank you for any term,bad links can't hurt your site (really funny because most people here will agree with that last one though I have linked over and over to the evidence that destroys that myth and others have reported and confirmed its a myth) and on and on. Its junked up this forum and why so many people have left, are leaving, rarely come back or just cut down posting like I have. SO last time for a long time.......

A) Anyone who knows anything about aged domains knows you merely create the pages that are getting links so your first point is total non factor.
B) Plenty links stay for a very long time - years and years (nothing is eternal). That should be obvious by asking a simple question -How often does a blogger go back to a post he made three years ago and remove the link? They don't even remember its there and tht people linked directly to tht page who are the same.

Shucks I have links to a sports team domain from a MAJOR regional newspaper and guess what? The sports team no longer exists - long gone -but no one goes back into those old sections and deletes the stories and the links with them. Eventually being a newspaper they will be archived but years from now (they have stories going back beyond 2002) and I get the benefits of it for much less than buying links would have cost (domain cost me like $40).

In short its pure nonsense to say that all links vanish and you are just as well buying a new domain but hey if you want to believe it please do because think about it -

It makes buying aged domains cheaper the more people who do. Hope GeorgeR convinces even more people. Saves me money on domains being bid on. Less people less bidding.

anyone can feel free to rebut me on that. I won't respond further on that issue. I wave the white flag because its not my War. Let the people who don't know what they are talking about take over the board. From what I have seen recently that mission is about 70% complete.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Goath

@ Mike

Still, I think GeorgR. has a point. If you buy an aged domain name without content (when it's expired), then a lot of links will point to pages that doesn't exist anymore. Those pages passed some link juice to your homepage (which still exists and has a PR), but eventually the "link love" of your subpages will vanish (as GeorgR. said), which is true.

If your subpage loses links and pagerank, they have likely to pass less juice to your homepage resulting in your homepage to lose some PR (or some strength)

So you just rebuild those pages to retain the links. Or you can 301 redirect them.

Problem solved.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

So you just rebuild those pages to retain the links. Or you can 301 redirect them.

Problem solved.

EZ peasy

[Goath]

@ Mi ke Anthony

I may have 55 posts, but I am having also experience like you. I tried a lot, a lot of **** didn't work and a lot of **** did work.

This domain age thing is not my thing, I stumbled upon it a couple of months ago and since I am building now my own network of blogs (for link building purposes) I tried this concept out.

In my head it was easy, just go to godaddy bid on some bitches and buy them..

but then I realized that all pages are gone - on this point you did not understand my point..

My point is NOT that a blogger who posed a link to your website 3 years ago will go back and remove it. NO!

What I am saying is:

THE PAGE HE IS LINKING TO DOESN't EXIST ANYMORE.

So the link love to your homepage doesn't EXIST anymore.

OK.

Then Mike Anthony comes up with a great idea:

Just build them up again...

I thought of it.. some people refer to Archive.org. Go to Archive.org and copy paste the content...

From my experience Archive.org only "archives" the front page / homepage of the website. They don't have the deeper (link getting) pages in their archives, 9 of 10 times.

But, I have to admit. I didn't think of the 301 redirect solution.

I learned something today. I know now how to easily solve the problem on (non-existing pages with links to them), but last questions from me

1) To which page should I 301 redirect them, the home page?

2) I am buying them from Godaddy, is there another great resource on finding these "PR links"?

Last but not least, Mike Anthony and Mike Friedman, I see you guys a lot on this forum, in a lot of topics, and I see you contribute a lot of your knowledge to this community..

I really appreciate that.

I also see a lot of people talking bull**** (maybe I am doing also).

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Goath

Then Mike Anthony comes up with a great idea:

Just build them up again...

I thought of it.. some people refer to Archive.org. Go to Archive.org and copy paste the content...

From my experience Archive.org only "archives" the front page / homepage of the website. They don't have the deeper (link getting) pages in their archives, 9 of 10 times.

No, you don't need the content though. There is no need to go to archive.org to find the content of the specific page. You just need to recreate the URL. You can put whatever content you want on there. As long as the URL still exists, the backlink will still point to it.

Make sense?

As for the 301 thing, I would just point them to the homepage if you are going that route.

[Mike Anthony]

Why did i forget to unsubscribe? Oh vey.

Originally Posted by Goath

In my head it was easy, just go to godaddy bid on some bitches and buy them..
.

You know what I am going to cut you some slack because unfortunately I have seen some WSOs that pretty much say do that and a few other people on this forum have acted like its simple as that so won't go over the point again like I said I wouldn't but try Google

site:domain.com

lots of the time the best pages are still in the index and when you do a backlink check in spyglass save it - thats right might need to buy it but its worth it. However with that I am out. unsubscribed.

[martworld]

You will loose PR if you don't create similar or related content

[activision]

Hi,

I've just joined this forum and have gotten lots of useful information from it already. So thanks to everyone!

Just a couple of questions about buying high PR domains -

Is content relevant to get PR transfer?

For example, if I buy a high PR site that used to be about ghosts, and I want to use that high PR site to link to my low PR site about racing cars to build up its PR, does that matter (as long as I use the right linking text)? Will I still get the PR transfer? Do I need to write an article on the high PR site about racing cars and put the links in that, or will just a link be enough?

Is content necessary to keep the PR?

If I want to keep the high PR of my new site, do I need to make it all about ghosts, or can I completely change the topic of the site? For example, can I now make it about racing cars? I suppose the problem with this is that you might lose the backlinks to it and lose the PR am I right?

Basically I suppose you can sum my questions up as: If I want to get PR juice for my racing car site, do I need to buy a high PR site about racing cars (or something similar) or can I buy any high PR site and use that?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[Kreative4]

The process is simple. You put relevant content and create backlinks before google notice that the domain has expired/dropped

[activision]

Thanks for that, but that doesn't quite answer my questions. If I want to link to my site on racing cars (to increase its PR) do I need to buy a high PR racing car site, or will any high PR site be able to give me the PR juice I need?

If it's any site - say I buy a high PR site about boats - will just a good link (with the right linking text) be enough, or will I need to write a whole article about racing cars on that site, or what will I need to do to get the most benefit?

[PriceMaster]

It is definitely worth it.

Better to grab an expired domain with backlinks around the intraweb rather than buying a new domain with 0 backlinks.