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Hey All - hope you are well? Recently I have been reading about how to get your backlinks indexed etc. Some say it is wise to allow Google to pick them up naturally, then others disagree.......... and say that you must have your backlinks pinged etc, so I am a little confused! Can anyone advise me on this and point me in the right direction to services or techniques on how to do this. Regards and thanks, Luke Total Newbie |
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Hey Luke, I think just leave them to get found naturally... if they are posted on decent PR sites that are crawled often they'll get picked up quick enough
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The best thing is - pay attention to your google webmaster tools and see which sites the links appear on. I have posted links in directories, and 4 years later the links still have not been indexed by google. The sites were not search engine friendly, or google did not link the types of links in the directory. Search engines find things, that is what they do. Let the search engines find your links. |
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I Got Way to get backlinks indexed - When You build backlinks save the url in notepad and than open new acount in gmail , go to your personal acount and make new letter - in the letter put the url of the backlinks and send the letter to the new email that you opened, Go to your new gmail and open the new mail. how the backlinks will index ? Google write the mails of every gmail acount so if you will put your backlinks google will read them and than indexed them - in one day you backlinks will be indexed * Preferably up to 100 links |
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Hey there, are you trying to make a backlink for your website? It's true that making auto backlinking is no longer good since google is penalizing those ways for now. You can still however manually make backlinks. There are many ways you can do here. You write articles and submit them to article directories and add backlinks going to your site. You can also find some blogs related to your niche and add a link going to your site. Lastly you can bookmark your links through social networks like facebook and twitter. Just do it naturally and surely your site will be indexed.
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The best way is backlinking your backlinks, increasing the chance that your links are found -make something like a simple 2 tier link pyramid which i described here. The key is to have a smaller number of links and backlink to them with a higher number of links, like 10 backlinks on web2.0 etc site...and then use 100 or more other links and link back to them to significantly increase chances that the links are indexed. In addition, it also looks natural. I dont "force index" links..simply increase number of links. |
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I agree with going the natural route... this is always best as the search engines will find your links fairly quickly anyway. Regarding pinging, you should use this strategy to alert the search engines that your page has been updated.
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If you have no hurry, leave them for natural indexing. If you want 'impact', go for pinging them. Its simple. Further, pinging makes sure that the Google indexing all the backlinks you have. thanks, Luke.
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Checkout backlinksenergizer.com You can easily find some videos on YouTube if you'd like to see a demo of how it works. |
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thanks all for getting back with good advice. it seems that the natural route is best so that what I am going to do. the process of linking to your backlinks makes logical sense so will try that (thx GeorgeR). thanks again, regards Luke
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try to submit your links in some social bookmarking websites
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I think there are too many noise and confusing suggestion around, allow me to explain more in details... Yes, one or few backlinks that had links from the home page would be very easy for Google to find and index them; but what if you have a lot of backlinks that buried deep under pages without direct links from the home page? There are many free link crawling tools, and pinging them is one way to notify Google to come and crawl them. Here are 2 of the most popular RSS based link crawling service, both had free account available: 1. Nuclear Link Crawler 2. Linklicious Just sign up an account, upload your backlinks and the system will help you notify Google to crawl and index your backlinks. If you want better index rate, try Nuclear Link Indexer or BacklinksIndexer, both charge higher for indexing your backlinks because they build backlinks to your backlink! or if you prefer to build your own network, try: 1. Backlink Index Express 2. Backlink Energizer Just use any kind of tools to get them at least crawl, I don't really believe in "natural indexing", that's too slow and out of control, especially when you have 10,000 backlinks to index! More information about crawling vs indexing : http://www.seospeedsight.com/seoforu...ct-my-ranking/ Kok Choon | |
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Use some free pinging tool to index your backlinks.
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To get your backlinks indexed you need to do nothing actually. The good way to have fast indexing is to have a good number of high PR and regularly visited sites link to you. As they are important they will be crawled regularly. If they have your link then chances are highly likely that your link will be crawled along with all the rest.
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Search Engines have own algo. to indexed website. So leave them to get found naturally. Moreover you can perform bookmarking of your backlinks on 4-5 site that'll help...
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Question for the pros... I have a large product review site and I don't naturally generate backlinks to my individual review posts (except for guys who steal my RSS feed for their autoblogs). I have about 31 different anchor texts I'm using for backlinking to the index page. How important is it to build links to your individual content pages while you are aggressively building backlinks to your index page? |
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It's all about looking natural to the search engines so only having backlinks to your index page is either looks like an extreme oddity or unnatural. So yes, always backlink your inner pages. I usually link my inner pages first and then concentrate my efforts on my index page.
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I've got writers churning out 20 pages a day on average, so easier said than done I guess lol... How would you go about building links to that many pages each day? | |
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I have a large list of quality blog URL's that I've had success with that get indexed naturally. I gathered them through trial and error using Scrapebox. Outside of blog comments I usually just buy them. Whatever speed you decide to add backlinks just always remember to keep it steady for at least three months before reducing. You never want a single blast and then do nothing. Again, that does not look natural.
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Here is the easy way for internal links. Most folks only build links to their Index page which is just plain silly IMO. Build links to any/all pages that you have to have ranked in the SERPs. All of the pages should be indexed in the SERPs, but they won't rank on their own (you need links). The way I handle internal pages... I group my internal pages just like a chapter in a book. Pick a single page in that group of pages (all 100% related), now internal link all those pages with anchor-text. The goal is to point all the internal links in that group at the single page your trying to rank (in the group). Next build a few external high PR backlinks with anchor-text pointing at the single page your trying to rank (in that group). Pick the next keyword, start a new group of pages & repeat the whole process of linking. You'll end up with multiple SERP listings for each group of keywords, in the SERPs. | |
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Thanks for the awesome tip. As for the external linking, do you recommend using blog network posts? Quote:
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Yukon, with that method you can only pick one internal page to promote at a time if I understand you correctly. Once you move on to the next page you have to change your internal link to the next page also. Unless you keep the original internal link but in that case you'll end up with every internal page linking with every internal page which is what I do from the outset. Please clarify thanks.
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BTW, I just installed the Similar Posts plugin... seems to do a good job of interlinking posts with similar posts for me.
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The reason is, your pages are better off keeping them in a very tight group of 100% related pages. If you keep that group of pages very tight, your almost guranteed to get double/triple listings in Google SERPs for your exact keyword. Double/triple SERP listings almost always end up on page #1 in Google SERPs, even with weak external backlinks & depending on competitions strength. The double/triple SERP listings per keyword also depends on how tough the competition is (Google isn't going to give everyone on page #1 in the SERPs triple listings). If your targeting a keyword & only 1 or 2 competition is already targeting & ranking for the same keyword, then chances are very high that you will get double/triple SERP listings by simply keeping the group of internal pages very tight with internal keyword anchor-text links. You don't see a lot of people doing this (tight internal linking) which is an advantage for us. As an example. The goal is to: 1) Build a single web page you want to rank in the SERPs for college grants. 2) Next, build 9 supporting internal pages to help boost the single internal page we are actually trying to rank. These 9 pages only exist to support the page we actually want to rank in Google SERPs. Once the single target page is ranked, the other 9 pages will compete for the double/triple listings (per keyword). Just like a general in the Army, he is nothing without thousands of men/women to help support him/her. Granted we don't need thousands of pages to support a keyword/internal-page, just trying to make a point that internal support/pages/links will go a long way in the SERPs when doing on-page seo. Once you get the hang of saying to yourself, I have a new keyword/page I want this site to rank for, so I need to create/outsource 10 new content pages (1 page to rank, 9 pages to support), it's actually pretty simple. Most people build a single page & try to rank that page, sure it can be done, but any double/triple listings in the SERPs for a single page are probably just luck & not intentional. Ask yourself which is easier, creating external backlinks on sites you don't own, or creating new pages on your own site? We have 100% control over our own sites pages, might as well take full advantage of it's potential with some simple planning. Even with an old site that doesn't already take advantage of this hardcore internal linking, build 9+ pages of new content/pages & point internal links with anchor-text at the old page, watch what happens in the SERPs when Google finds those new very tightly grouped internal pages. I've done this on brand new domains/sites & no joke, 2 days later had triple listings for my exact keyword. The test sites were easy to rank keywords & had zero external backlinks. I've also done the same double/triple SERP listings per keyword on competitive keywords, with competitive keywords you still need external backlinks for an extra boost in the SERPs. Thing is though, If you only have a few (20-30) quality external links + this tight internal linking, most times you'll see some awesome results in the SERPs. | |
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Thanks Yukon, I will try out your method. I have a site with 30 pages and I have geared it so five pages will rank (one main page and five supporting x 5 = 30 pages). I admit I do have all five main pages linked to each other. According to your strategy I will remove all other internal links of the five supporting and just link to the main page. If that's correct (I know it's 5 and not 9 pages as you suggest) then I will begin the implementation. Great advice Yukon, I hope it works! |
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You don't want all the pages in the group to have the same page title (bad idea) they still need the root keyword in each page title (has to be included). Mix the page titles up a bit, but still keep them laser focused on the page your trying to rank. Also keep the page titles short & to the point. Example, root keyword I'm trying to rank (swing sets): [internal page title - page we want ranked in Google SERPs] 1) Swings Sets [internal supporting page titles] 2) Wooden Swing Set Kits 3) Outdoor Swing Sets For Backyards 4) Swing Sets and Playhouses - Outdoor Fun 5) Durable Swing Sets for 2012 6) Swings for Indoor Play Sets 7) etc... I could have been more creative with the above page titles, my point here is keep everything short, simple, & very relevant. ![]() Point internal keyword anchor-text from pages 2-6 at page #1, the page we want to rank. Keep it simple & very focused with the internal linking, always use keyword anchor-text when linking. | |
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Great thread guys, special thanks to Yukon for that great advice. Don't mean to hijack but could you clarify something Yukon please. You say anchor text link 2-6 to the main page we want ranked, I am clear on that, but should that main page link to those 2-6 pages in some way back or do those 2-6 pages need to link to each other? Or is it just as simple as pointing anchor links from 2-6 to the main page as you say? lol Sorry if I have caused confusion, just want to absorb as much as I can. Appreciated :-) |
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Linking back & forth inside the group of keyword pages isn't going to hurt anything, just keep the link count as low as possible, only link If it makes sense & is 100% related. Use anchor-text for the keywords, also an ideal internal link would have the keyword on the backlink page anchor-text, & the page title of the page that the internal link is pointing at. | |
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I always read that seo experts here are "outsourcing" the backlinking part. I'm new to this and would highly appreciate if someone can redirect me to how to outsource this and how much it costs? Do you use a service in a company or recruit someone from india for example to do the backlinks for you on a list of sites you provide to him? If this is the case, how to protect the list of sites you are using? Thanks. Phillipe | |
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I spend more time doing a few things than learning many things. I don't really go the cheapest route with outsourcing, but I do go for people who are good and dependable. There are some BMR writers in the warriors for hire section. I'm paying 1.17 per article from someone in there. | |
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Hi Yukon I have a question what is the anchor text of the outbound links on the supporting pages pointing to the Main swing set Page? Is it just "swing sets" Also does the swing Set page also link back to those supporting pages with the anchor text that is their title of the supporting pages? in other words each page uses anchor text on outgoing links , which is the kw of the page being linked to? I think what you are doing is called SILO'ing your site | |
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I haven't heard anyone giving the ping-bookmark-rss method on this post, so here goes: Creating backlinks to your backlinks works as a lever, and carries a harder punch to get your liks noticed and pass link juice to your site. It is true that all your links do not have to be indexed to pass the juice, but the more links to your links, the stronger ther lever. So first get all your links and ping them. Then, you want make bookmarks with separate accounts to all of them, and since you can create several links in each bookmark account this shouldn't be a problem; you can use BMD to help you with this. Then get all of those bookmarks and make an rss feed of them; rssrobot is a cheap solution or go to the site links2rss. Then, ping those rss feeds and you should be good to go. I use Scrapebox to check a mass list of indexed vs. non-indexed. Another cool trick if you have a subscribtion to senuke, sick or magic submitter is you can setup these tasks to work on auto, just remember to spread the submissions over days(I use 10 days) so it doesn't look like a huge wave of links coming in. Patience is the key. |
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Thats quite a bit of work just for link indexing - how do you do that if your making 1000's of links per day? Gotta get some automation mate. | |
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What I observed in many years internet marketing is that some links make signifficantly higher effect than others. Backlinks that push your site to first page and first place in Google are: - on page with similar topic - on domain of high PR and backlinks - not too deep in the site Of course many weak links make some sort of impact but if you want to rank for competitive terms do it manually (or outsource it) so you know WHERE you have WHAT link set. Stories for children about 100,000s of backlinks from PR9 domain just doesn't deliver strong results. Of course, there are allways exceptions. Like the site in attachment that has 99% of forum profiles But I do not recommend rely on this. |
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Its a complete procedure you need to make the back link where crawler oftenly visited and original work is done. Like Press releases and content farms.
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Leave them to be found naturally. Or you can use bookmarking sites like digg, reddit, and others to make i faster. But don't ping, there is no need for that.
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Hi Yukon, Very glad I came upon this thread. You have some really valuable info going on here. Quick question: I have recent posts on my sidebar and related posts below each post/article on my site. How will your strategy affect this type of internal linking? |
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I usually backlink my main page and inner pages both. The inner pages are usually targeted to specific keywords that are more longtail and the main page is usually targeted toward the bigger keywords.
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Yukons method works great,been doing it on my ecommerce site for last 4 weeks been getting triple serp places on same page. I make the catagory page the main page keyword rich title then the product page links to the cat page and to another related product page in that catagory. The best thing is sales are taking off having those extra listing appearing in serps |
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A Question yukon! Do you think that this works also with subdomains? A website about a very broad theme like electronics and then subdomains about lets say mobile phones, tv's, dvd's.. - linking from main domain to subdomains and back.(menu - navigation) - then building pages around the subdomain to support the topic of the subdomain. interlink these pages wherever it makes sense.(as its one topic prob. often) - then interlink to other subdomains whenever there is a match between them(like one subdomain about tv's and another subdomain about dvd's) - rinse and repeat. Geting as much pages listed in the serps targeting as much keywords as possible... I always see the big sites having sometimes 6 subdomains listed in serps under their main page. I really want to use subdomains cause my domain is a brandname(my own). you think this deep interlinking approach is possible with subdomains? | |
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When you look at the top 10 results for some competitive keywords... there are only about 30 - 50% of the total backlinks that point to the index page. You rarely see top sites in a competitive niche with most or ALL of the links pointing to the root. I would say.. spread the links around a bit and build some links to your inner pages. Maybe choose some of your most important ones and focus on them. |
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Yes, it's pretty much a silo. If I'm trying to rank "swing sets" I'm going to have the anchor-text the same keywords, no matter If the link is on-page or off-page. I know some guys say they diversify keyword anchor-text, I've never experienced proof that it matters (diversifying anchor-text) so I'm still running the same anchor-text per page/keyword that I want to rank. The way I diversify is, new keyword equals new landing page. | |
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