Newbies 1st site page one on google - are these good keywords

[J Cohen]

Hi everyone,

After a couple of months hanging round here and getting some great advice from you warriors I have managed to get a site on the 1st page of google. I know I have to continue to work hard to get into the top 3 and still don't fully understand SEO.

I have put the keyword results below is the site one I should keep concentrating on based on the search results. I also put the keyword in "" to see the results

keyword 1 - About 991,000 results (0.32 seconds) Position 8
"keyword1" - About 90,100 results (0.31 seconds) Postion 10
keyword 2 - About 81,700,000 results (0.34 seconds) Position 10
"keyword 2" - About 35,600 results (0.24 seconds) Position 4

I did notice that they went to page one and then dropped of but have now been on the 1st page for a couple of weeks. I got about 200 unique vistors in November and earned a little adsense commission

In my opinion these are very emotional keywords and my site can help quite a lot of people

Jay

[joekoffi]

Congrats Cohen and hope you don't go to bed yet. Your competitors are also fighting for page 1 for same keywords and any loose of focus could see you off to page xxx. I just advice you do a little more seo and work more on monetizing your site too.

Originally Posted by J Cohen

Hi everyone,

After a couple of months hanging round here and getting some great advice from you warriors I have managed to get a site on the 1st page of google. I know I have to continue to work hard to get into the top 3 and still don't fully understand SEO.

I have put the keyword results below is the site one I should keep concentrating on based on the search results. I also put the keyword in "" to see the results

keyword 1 - About 991,000 results (0.32 seconds) Position 8
"keyword1" - About 90,100 results (0.31 seconds) Postion 10
keyword 2 - About 81,700,000 results (0.34 seconds) Position 10
"keyword 2" - About 35,600 results (0.24 seconds) Position 4

I did notice that they went to page one and then dropped of but have now been on the 1st page for a couple of weeks. I got about 200 unique vistors in November and earned a little adsense commission

In my opinion these are very emotional keywords and my site can help quite a lot of people

Jay

[J Cohen]

Originally Posted by joekoffi

Congrats Cohen and hope you don't go to bed yet. Your competitors are also fighting for page 1 for same keywords and any loose of focus could see you off to page xxx. I just advice you do a little more seo and work more on monetizing your site too.

Thanks Joe,

I am intending to monetize with some physical products I just wanted to work and get my rankings up.

I am now learning about checking out my competitors so I can get a better idea of what I am up against.

Jay

[Bill_Z]

The numbers of the results don't really tell you or us anything about your keyword or the competition of the keyword.

Do your keywords get any searches? Look them up in the Google Keyword Tool and see how many EXACT searches each one gets.

[J Cohen]

Hi Bill

search results for exact are

uk 5,400 global 1,000 monthly

usa 2,900 global 1,900 monthly

Jay

Originally Posted by Bill_Z

The numbers of the results don't really tell you or us anything about your keyword or the competition of the keyword.

Do your keywords get any searches? Look them up in the Google Keyword Tool and see how many EXACT searches each one gets.

[thekaver]

with them keyword searches you done a good job!

However they is a difference between money keywords and non money!

you could get a million searchs and 100,000 visits to you site, but if they not going to buy anything they no point.

[Wisden Writers]

Congrats Jay for your rankings, now Quality content can do the magic since google panda and fresh content update.
If you place keywords properly and your on page SEO is good you can get rankings with little seo efforts.

[J Cohen]

I hear what you are saying the EPC is $1.25 for the keywords. I think they can be monetized as they are people looking for solution to an emotional problem

Jay

Originally Posted by thekaver

with them keyword searches you done a good job!

However they is a difference between money keywords and non money!

you could get a million searchs and 100,000 visits to you site, but if they not going to buy anything they no point.

[cellington]

Originally Posted by Wisden Writers

Congrats Jay for your rankings, now Quality content can do the magic since google panda and fresh content update.
If you place keywords properly and your on page SEO is good you can get rankings with little seo efforts.

That's exactly correct. Once you've posted that content on your site, distribute your articles to relevant blogs and focused content sites to increase your pagerank and drive traffic to you.

[Cru]

Why did you target these keywords in the first place? The ratio of searches to competition is WAAAAAAY too low. You should be looking for keywords with at LEAST a 3% ratio (meaning 3000 searches per 100,000 competing sites). Once you've done that research you should look to see how competitive the top ten is (check to see if they are optimized for the keywords, check to see if they have EMD (Exact Match Domain), check to see their page rank and domain age, etc.)

If you are going to target keywords with 81 million competing sites, you should make sure that the search volume is high to make up for the heavier investment in getting them ranked.

[J Cohen]

Originally Posted by Cru

Why did you target these keywords in the first place? The ratio of searches to competition is WAAAAAAY too low. You should be looking for keywords with at LEAST a 3% ratio (meaning 3000 searches per 100,000 competing sites). Once you've done that research you should look to see how competitive the top ten is (check to see if they are optimized for the keywords, check to see if they have EMD (Exact Match Domain), check to see their page rank and domain age, etc.)

If you are going to target keywords with 81 million competing sites, you should make sure that the search volume is high to make up for the heavier investment in getting them ranked.

hi Cru

Don't quite understand the part I have bolded as I said i am new to seo can you explain more please. I choose the keywors based on my domain and the niche it is a niche i have interest in but not the money making niche.

Jay

[matthewfermin]

This is awesome man!! Keep up the good work. You need to continue fighting since your competitors are doing everything to out rank other sites with the same keyword.

[Troy_Phillips]

Out of those 81 million sites .... 100 of them might understand SEO. Top 10 means very little ... top fold means a lot less than it used to. The best way to do competition analysis is to check out the top 3 (those three could show up as number 1 in different areas) none of the rest matter .. if you can beat those and the search per day is where you want it .. go for it.

Originally Posted by Cru

Why did you target these keywords in the first place? The ratio of searches to competition is WAAAAAAY too low. You should be looking for keywords with at LEAST a 3% ratio (meaning 3000 searches per 100,000 competing sites). Once you've done that research you should look to see how competitive the top ten is (check to see if they are optimized for the keywords, check to see if they have EMD (Exact Match Domain), check to see their page rank and domain age, etc.)

If you are going to target keywords with 81 million competing sites, you should make sure that the search volume is high to make up for the heavier investment in getting them ranked.

[Ricky Dawn]

Originally Posted by Cru

Why did you target these keywords in the first place? The ratio of searches to competition is WAAAAAAY too low. You should be looking for keywords with at LEAST a 3% ratio (meaning 3000 searches per 100,000 competing sites). Once you've done that research you should look to see how competitive the top ten is (check to see if they are optimized for the keywords, check to see if they have EMD (Exact Match Domain), check to see their page rank and domain age, etc.)

If you are going to target keywords with 81 million competing sites, you should make sure that the search volume is high to make up for the heavier investment in getting them ranked.

Just because there are a lot of pages in the index for any given search doesn't mean its harder to rank for...

For example if you search for kitchen knives in the keyword tool it says the competition is high and a search returns 11,800,000 pages.

But this is because all the ecommerce site which have any page called or including kitchen knives will show.

It doesn't mean they all do SEO to their kitchen knives page, or any of the 100's of individual pages which show in the index for the term kitchen knives, infact 90% of them wont.

Take a look at some of the pages and sites on the first page, they are very weak in SEO terms for example the first page result Great Deals on Wusthof, Henckels, Global, Tojiro, Miyabi, Good Grips, Stellar, Haiku and much more from Cooks Knives, the discount kitchen knife retailer - Cooks Knives only has 26 linking root domains and a PA of 35 and DA of 26.

You should not just use the number of pages in the index and the keyword tool to determine how difficult a keyword is to rank you should analyse the top ten sites if your aiming for first page.

Ricky

[Bill_Z]

Originally Posted by J Cohen

Hi Bill

search results for exact are

uk 5,400 global 1,000 monthly

usa 2,900 global 1,900 monthly

Jay

OK then, given that you said that you don't know much about SEO and you are on pg 1 already for these terms, I'm going to guess they aren't incredibly competitive. If you buy some social bookmarking links from fiverr I bet you can get to top 3. If you don't get to top 3 with that, then buy some blog posts from high PR sites.

I'm not sure how old your domain is though? If it's less than 3 months old just don't build too many links yet.

[Cru]

Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn

Just because there are a lot of pages in the index for any given search doesn't mean its harder to rank for...

For example if you search for kitchen knives in the keyword tool it says the competition is high and a search returns 11,800,000 pages.

But this is because all the ecommerce site which have any page called or including kitchen knives will show.

It doesn't mean they all do SEO to their kitchen knives page, or any of the 100's of individual pages which show in the index for the term kitchen knives, infact 90% of them wont.

Take a look at some of the pages and sites on the first page, they are very weak in SEO terms for example the first page result Great Deals on Wusthof, Henckels, Global, Tojiro, Miyabi, Good Grips, Stellar, Haiku and much more from Cooks Knives, the discount kitchen knife retailer - Cooks Knives only has 26 linking root domains and a PA of 35 and DA of 26.

You should not just use the number of pages in the index and the keyword tool to determine how difficult a keyword is to rank you should analyse the top ten sites if your aiming for first page.

Ricky

Thanks, I don't use that as my only indicator. As I mention in the first post that I made, after finding the keywords with that 3% ratio I then do competition analysis.

The reason I do this is to optimize my keyword research. If you don't put some filters on your keyword research before the competition analysis phase you're going to be spending a lot of time staring at Market Samurai (or whatever your keyword research tool of choice is) as you load up the top 10 sites for each keyword. If you put on that number of competitors filter it is more likely you'll find a less saturated keyword when there are only 100K Google results than when there is 80 Million Google results.

To say it differently, let's say for any given keyword .005% of all websites that show up in the search results are keyword optimized. With 100K competitors there might be 5 well optimized sites. However, with 1M sites there would be 50 optimized sites, and so on. The higher the number of competitive sites out there, the more likely to be a higher number of well optimized sites.

I hope this explains why I (and many others) utilize this as a rule of thumb. When you are doing a lot of keyword research, you need to streamline your process to ensure you have a greater chance of finding the really great keywords without having to waste your time.

OP, I didn't explain the ratio very well to you. Basically, as a rule of thumb I like to ensure that the number of monthly searches for any keyword is at least 3% of the total number of competitors out there. So if a keyword is searched for 9000 times in a month, I wouldn't want anymore than 300,000 search results for that keyword. The reason I use this as a filter is explained in the above paragraphs.

[Liam Hamer]

Sounds like you've done a great job, Jay Sounds like you really soaked up and took on board what you learned here and implemented it. As others have already said, try not to judge the difficult of a keyword by the amount of competing pages and instead concentrate on the strength of the top 10. There are plenty of free tools to help you analyze your competition - SEO Quake and Traffic Travis to name but two.

1,000 and 1,900 exact searches per month isn't bad at all. Being in the top 3 for either can bring you some nice traffic, and hopefully income.

[Kris79]

Great job. Congratulations
But a little tip: don't look at number of pages for a KW. It do not give any information about competition. If you don't agree just go to 50th page of result and see for your self, that is do not matter.
The most important thing is 1st page and analysis of those 10 results:
- what kind of PR they have
- how many backlinks
- what kind of backlinks (is there a KW in anchor text, are those from authority websites with PR)