Private High PR Blog Networks...

[EricBaglio]

I've noticed a lot of talk about High PR Blog Networks. I understand their value and how they can give you good quality backlinks that are in-content which is great.

When I did a search in WF, I ran across a few and they look pretty good. Has anyone had any success with a particular service here on WF that they'd recommend?

With so many choices and the secretive nature of these networks it's hard to tell the real quality networks from the scam/wannabees.

Any thought?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by EricBaglio

With so many choices and the secretive nature of these networks it's hard to tell the real quality networks from the scam/wannabees.

Any thought?

How do you find them secretive? BMR is very popular and some services give reports. you have to realize they take a little money to build and Google tends not to like bought links so service providers can't come out and tell someone who isn't even a customer yet where their PR network domains are. It goes with the territory nothing devious. As with most things think Rep.

[EricBaglio]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

How do you find them secretive? BMR is very popular and some services give reports. you have to realize they take a little money to build and Google tends not to like bought links so service providers can't come out and tell someone who isn't even a customer yet where their PR network domains are. It goes with the territory nothing devious. As with most things think Rep.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I've heard BMR is a great service and I know a lot of people in the forum use it to great success.

By secretive I meant that most networks don't give reports and don't share sites. I understand that they do this to protect the integrity of their network and keep their sites from being blacklisted by Google. This is why I was wondering which Warrior Forum services offering a network, people have experienced success with.

I didn't mean it in a negative connotation.

[TwinDragon]

I am thinking of using a network and would like to see what opinions you get.

[EricBaglio]

BuildMyRanks is one that I know of for sure. I think Linkvana is the same principle. Both of those i've heard to be pretty effective. I'm more concerned with the ones that are from Warrior here on the forum.

[kkchoon]

I vote for Article Marketing Automation, they helped me ranked for many competitive keywords that most high PR sites can't rank.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I vote for Article Marketing Automation, they helped me ranked for many competitive keywords that most high PR sites can't rank.

That is ridiculous. If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

That is ridiculous. If a bunch of crappy links can do it, then high PR sites can too.

Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?

I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?

I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.

I would take 100 PR 4-6 domains dedicated to just my site with very few outgoing backlinks versus a network of 10k PR 1-4 sites being used by thousands of people and posted to constantly any time.

I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Not necessary. For example if your high PR network had 100 PR 4 to PR 6 sites, you really think your network can compete with over 10K PR1 to P4 sites?

You've been posting this all over the forums and even had one thread deleted. You offer no evidence and when asked to post a SINGLE EXAMPLE in Google serps of a low PR network beating a high PR network you make some excuse and run away.

I can out rank your network anytime! This is a number game, if your network don't have at least 2,000 sites, I'm afraid you can't beat me in high competition keyword, want to take on the challenge? I'm waiting.

ROFL No one can find your network in any serp. You have been selling mostly forum profile links and since people have woke up to how miserable those are especially post panda you are scrambling around trying to find and sell some other mass push button system.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.

Desperation has set in. People are not buying the mass forum profile backlinks spam because of Panda. Kinda late to the game and trying to find something else to pitch but doesn't understand basic concepts like OBL and links that stick to high PR pages.

[Kenwa87]

If you decide to use one or the other I would appreciate it if you reported back and let us know. I have debated on the same for a while but have not tried. I just don't trust most of it! good luck and let us know!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I would take 100 PR 4-6 domains dedicated to just my site with very few outgoing backlinks versus a network of 10k PR 1-4 sites being used by thousands of people and posted to constantly any time.

I know you sell low quality links, so this discussion is going to go nowhere fast because you have a personal bias in the whole quality versus quantity argument.

You and Anthony are really my favorite.

Both of you accusing me of selling low quality links, where is the proof? When I post on a thread in the forum or post any useful information, you just start shooting without really know what I'm talking about, that's just personal and not very professional.

Look at my signature, I only sell 2 things now - Indexing & crawling and Guarantee service. Do you know what is guarantee service? Meaning if my customer don't rank on page 1, I don't get the money!

My challenge still stand - if you think your so call quality network is so good, until it can outrank every network on the market, your ego ... I don't know how to put this.

However, if you do agree that every high PR network had it limit, and those established blog network are much powerful because they have more sites, more resources, then I make my point. If you disagree, don't just talk, show me your power, outrank me in the competition.

If you are not going to proof me your network is more powerful, please keep that network to yourself and stop accusing me selling low quality backlinks and calling me "ridiculous".

P.S. Mike Anthony will probably go out and find my old service and call it proof.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

You and Anthony are really my favorite.

Both of you accusing me of selling low quality links, where is the proof?

None of us are going to give you a link from WF to your link offerings KK if thats what you are hoping for. NO Proof? You're kidding right? LOL. Whats this first result on Google people.

https://www.google.com/search?source...0l0ll0l0&gl=US

click the first result and who do you see? Scroll down and what do you find? Profile link service like you have been selling for years.

You still up and still taking orders forum profile link service and claiming you are not? nice monthly price for the weakest links available too. Could build a nice network for that over a few months. Maybe you should take that down before claiming there is no proof. A little honesty perhaps?

My challenge still stand - if you think your so call quality network is so good, until it can outrank every network on the market, your ego

Neither Mike or I have made that claim. in fact its you that have made the claim that you can outrank us. MY challenge to you still stands. Rank top three in your own niche - for the term backlinks. I'll PAY you to rank your own site.

If you disagree, don't just talk, show me your power, outrank me in the competition.

Problem - Can't find you to outrank you

If you are not going to proof me your network is more powerful, please keep that network to yourself and stop accusing me selling low quality backlinks and calling me "ridiculous".

Umm where have you presented any proof? Thats the whole point. You want us to expose our networks but we can't find any network like the one you claim for yourself ranking anywhere where we are operating or in any competitive serp.

Sorry but you just don't understand PR or SEO networks. Yes many of the services out there may have ton loads of high PR domains but they are also being used by a TON load of people putting a TON load of links on them. Do some reading KK. PR juice IS DIVIDED BY THE AMOUNT OF LINKS. Further every service you are touting where you can put ton loads of links allows your links to be pushed of the home page and eventually off any page with PR in no time.

Thats why many people use both. Their own networks for rel strong PR and low OBL and services like BMR for a little extra umphh. Me? I use just my network. mix some AMR, press release sites and a few other links in with your own network you rank very well.

[DynoMutt]

EricBaglio,

Any true high PR network worth its salt is going to come at a price where you might as well run your own private network.

[Barry Unruh]

Originally Posted by DynoMutt

EricBaglio,

Any true high PR network worth its salt is going to come at a price where you might as well run your own private network.

That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...

I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to understand the legitimate real world cost of building that high PR network.

[kkchoon]

It might / might not be justify to build a blog network; Anyway, I would prefer to use established blog network service, the only time when I build a private network is either I want to run a service or I have plan to build expand my affiliate sites.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...

Well thats the thing. Whenever people start to talk about building a network they start to add up the costs. However they seldom ever talk about the costs and add them up for using the various services. Take some people in this thread. They swear by linkvana and AMA together and guess what - for most people thats $200+ a month. So you are talking over $2,400 a year. You can bet through the year they spend other chunks on extra boosts and software because none of the networks do it by themselves.

I pay $5 per domain a year so far cry from $1000. My hosting can work out to as little as $100$-200 per month. So at that point you might think it works out the same BUT IT DOESN'T

With say a hundred domains in my networks I can EASILY find 4-5 people that will rent space on my network st even a low $49 per month each (Truth is my minimum most of the time is $300 per month for SEO customers who I do nothing else for. I turn people away often wanting $100-$200 a month). Thats pays for all my hosting and it pays for all the domains (in fact makes me an EASY profit at the price I listed above).

The network turns out to operate FOR FREE when it starts paying me back. No network service out there can pay you back on your expense. NONE. I've quoted drop dead low profit margins. Truth is its nothing to be making $300-$3000 per month beyond ranking your sites because you are an owner not a renter.

P.S. its nothing to build and maintain Pr when you build a nice size network. it either pays you enough to keep buying more or you do three way link exchanges with other people with PR sites.

[DynoMutt]

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

That might be true...but what is going to be the cost and time factor of building my own high PR network of even 100 blogs?

Just the domain names are $1000/year. Hosting would need to be scattered on different services, which means potentially that much in hosting fees per year. Then there is the cost of adding content, building the sites, backlinking to build PR, etc...

I'm not trying to say you are wrong, I'm trying to understand the legitimate real world cost of building that high PR network.

If you are just starting out--start out small with a keyword whose #1 competition can be knocked out easily with contextualized anchor text backlinks. It does not cost that much to host a handful of seo hosting sites per month. The purchase PR 3 and 4s do not cost much to attain when you compare the monthly cost of renting space on someone else's network. They are certainly worth the upfront cost. Use that small network you develop to send backlinks to a money site whose monetization will cover your monthly expenses and then some.

Just continue to scale up.

[strategic seo services]

Originally Posted by EricBaglio

BuildMyRanks is one that I know of for sure. I think Linkvana is the same principle. Both of those i've heard to be pretty effective. I'm more concerned with the ones that are from Warrior here on the forum.

I agree. I've used BuildMyRanks, and it's quite effective.

[Hossain]

ummmmmmmm..... Quality can be beaten by Quantity.... However I would love to use quality backlinks as they are safe, plenty of to use and take minimum time to rank.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by strategic seo services

I agree. I've used BuildMyRanks, and it's quite effective.

Yes, but they are too strict to be useful to me, and if I have to pay for each unique article just to get a link - it is stupid.

Spun articles work as well as backlink, I think BMR and Linkvana is overdoing this, unique article will only bring the cost up.

Originally Posted by Hossain

ummmmmmmm..... Quality can be beaten by Quantity.... However I would love to use quality backlinks as they are safe, plenty of to use and take minimum time to rank.

Please define quality.

When I say quality vs quantity, I mean high PR vs low PR, both are safe in this case.

However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:

1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less
2. Backlinks with unique spin content
3. Backlinks with anchor text surrounded by unique / spin content

The only time when backlink is consider bad for me - a lot of links from this domain to all kinds of low quality links (links that doesn't meet the above 3 conditions), that might cause a problem when Google deindex the site.

Trust me, I have done this many times, and I know the details about this.

Originally Posted by DynoMutt

If you are just starting out--start out small with a keyword whose #1 competition can be knocked out easily with contextualized anchor text backlinks. It does not cost that much to host a handful of seo hosting sites per month. The purchase PR 3 and 4s do not cost much to attain when you compare the monthly cost of renting space on someone else's network. They are certainly worth the upfront cost. Use that small network you develop to send backlinks to a money site whose monetization will cover your monthly expenses and then some.

Just continue to scale up.

I agree. This is one way to go for having your own network; although you can rank for many competitive keywords because of limited number of sites, but you still be able to rank for handful of long tail keywords, that's where the real money is.

As your budget grow with your income, you can expand the network and rank for more keywords, and slowly eliminates the limitation by increasing the number of sites.

There is another way - you join an established network, eliminates the limitation of small resources, leverage the huge amount of sites from those networks and start ranking for higher competition keywords.

I don't rely on my own network to rank keywords for my client, or I won't be able to get a lot of clients fast enough because of the limitation of my own private network, instead, I pay a relative small fees to start ranking competitive keywords.

It doesn't matter which route to go, they will make you money.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Look at my signature, I only sell 2 things now - Indexing & crawling and Guarantee service. Do you know what is guarantee service? Meaning if my customer don't rank on page 1, I don't get the money!

I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.

Aren't we all biased?

As for the viability of creating a network of aged domains, it takes a lot of work to find the domains and then to verify the links. Then to find a good host to host the sites on separate IPs. It does take some time so don't let anybody tell you it's a cakewalk. So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.

If only somebody offered a course on the subject....

[yukon]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.

This is from his current WSO:

One of our core businesses is building backlinks for our corporate clients; We are creating 10,000 forum profile backlinks for my client every day, and we need effective ways to get those profile links indexed.

So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by yukon

This is from his current WSO:



So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).

Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

He didn't - check post 14.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Yes, but they are too strict to be useful to me, and if I have to pay for each unique article just to get a link - it is stupid.

Again you are showing your total lack of understanding. Its not stupid. They are attempting to protect their network by insisting on a level of content that does not expose their sites to deindexing. You can't rank in ANY competitive niche with spun content garbage sites for the simple reason that if you even did in a truly competitive niche your competitors will hit the link spam report button at Google get the links devalued and the network domains deindexed.

However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:
1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less

Then you are not talking about quality. Only way you are going to get that low OBl is negotiating a link with a webmaster, buying a link or putting a link on your own website.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?

Might be a good time to update the WSO If he no longer is selling profile backlinks.

Then again his last comment on that WSO was 12-22-2011 (today), so I think he is very aware of what he is selling/promoting.

Not much left to index though, higher PR backlinks get indexed on their own.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

If only somebody offered a course on the subject....

Somebody calling my name?

I give you props - Now THAT'S how a pot calls a kettle black.

So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.

Ahem...... From whom? LOL

Actually still worth it if you want to get some quality Post Panda links. One way to get good quality links is to get them from legit webmasters running sites in (or perhaps out) of your niche. Professional SEOs work this all the time.Black hatters and blasters don't even like to think of this - no buttons to push . oh no...must...find...button ....to push

Of course the age old question is why would a webmaster of a site want to give you a link? Well one very good reason is to get one in return. However they are not going to bite on your PR N/A .info blog pages but they will if you own a few Domains with High PR and that way they can do a three way exchange rather than a reciprocal link. Small network works like a charm and you can get great traffic and links.

Lets see - one PR domain for $75, work some exchanges and you will get 30 or more high quality links with PR from real sites that WILL NOT ring all kinds of link spam bells at Google. hmmm.

Who knew? Real link building with only a few domains. Hit up some AMR, a little press release sites, hey even push a button on MS to some blogs if you long for the old days

Why oh why ever again pay for first page placement for one or two keywords?

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. You used to sell crappy backlinks. I didn't realize you stopped.

Apology not accepted because high PR profile links - "if they stick", they work as well as High PR blog post, I have build more profile links and page 1 ranking you can imagine. So if you keep calling it crappy, proof yourself that you can outrank me, else you are just a big mouth with empty inside out.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

However, indexing and crawling services are only necessary for low quality backlinks. If you are building backlinks off of high PR pages, there is not need to worry about taking extra effort for indexing. So, I stand by my original statement that you are completely biased in any discussion about quantity versus quality backlinks, and therefore, I'm not getting into this argument with you.

You want to argue like Mike Anthony or you want to put your statement to the test? Apparently you don't know anything about indexing.

Let me tell you why we need indexing. Advance SEO marketer build thousands of links each and everyday, they are not only going after long tail keywords, they are going after all kinds of highly competitive keywords which your little High PR network with limited sites can't keep up.

In this scenario, you have 2 choices, either let it age and discover by Google - Naturally, which might take forever, or - get all of them indexed in 10 days.

Indexing is as easy as eating a carrot, why skip this step? I do agree if you are only building 10 links a day, there are no point getting them index, those little 10 links will get index in few days - naturally, especially when most of them are still in the home page, Google will definitely index them.

However, if you are posting say like 500 links a day to various sites, your backlink will most probably drop off home page, now they will take much longer time to get index!

I hope anyone who read this find some insight to indexing vs not indexing.

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Aren't we all biased?

As for the viability of creating a network of aged domains, it takes a lot of work to find the domains and then to verify the links. Then to find a good host to host the sites on separate IPs. It does take some time so don't let anybody tell you it's a cakewalk. So if you only have a handful of money sites I don't think building a high PR network is worth it. You can buy posts on other blogs.

If only somebody offered a course on the subject....

I'm keep telling them, they do not admit the work of building maintaining the network Vs Paid established service - get started instantly!

Originally Posted by yukon

This is from his current WSO:

So obviously he still sells profile links (he said he does & the WSO is still open promoting his profile backlinking).

If that is true, my signature will have that! BTW, profile links can be quality links, it depends how you build it. Sadly, the extreme spamming from XRumer community literary kill it, profile link don't stick any more.

Originally Posted by Marc_L

Maybe there is another alternative? Like the sales copy is old? Do you think that's possible?

I currently don't have any customer from this service, and doesn't recommend it anymore, and these few guys keep accusing me selling something that are not there anymore, sounds like they know my business more than I do!

BTW, I like Matt Laclear system; High PR network just had a lot more to lose, while if I found a way to build Low PR network as effective as high PR network, I won't have to worry about my little pitty High PR network getting exposed!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Apology not accepted because high PR profile links - "if they stick", they work as well as High PR blog post,

Credibility shot to smithereens. The defense rests. . Keep CLAIMING you rank sites. I suspect thee is not one half way credible person on WF that will back you up on that utter nonsense about forum profiles being as good as links in a high PR blog post. Thats a complete joke.

Let me tell you why we need indexing. Advanced link spammer build thousands of links each and everyday, they are not only going after long tail keywords, they are going after all kinds of highly competitive keywords which your little High PR network with limited sites can't keep up.

quote corrected for greater accuracy. As usual no proof in the serps for any of your statements just sales talk. I'm sorry the forum you used to push this on shut down but this kind of thing will not fly here anymore. Too many people here know SEO outside of forum profile links.

In this scenario, you have 2 choices, either let it age and discover by Google - Naturally, which might take forever, or - get all of them indexed in 10 days.

High PR sites get crawled sometimes in hours most a couple days with no booster needed. You have not a clue what you are talking about.

However, if you are posting say like 500 links a day to various sites, your backlink will most probably drop off home page, now they will take much longer time to get index!

junk links like Mike said. The only way links roll off quickly is because hundreds of people are blasting the sites

I hope anyone who read this find some insight to indexing vs not indexing.

Where oh were was the insight?

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I currently don't have any customer from this service, and doesn't recommend it anymore, and these few guys keep accusing me selling something that are not there anymore, sounds like they know my business more than I do!

You are selling this in two place. Yukon has pointed out one and the other is the first result here (I refuse to give a direct link)

https://www.google.com/search?source...0l0ll0l0&gl=US

Payment links are live. Its pitiful to deny it.

[kkchoon]

Mike, I'm not sure why you keep attacking me while I try to put you in my ignore list. I don't mind if your accusation is true, but WHO KNOW MY OWN BUSINESS MORE THAN ME?

How many times we throw away a site / page without updating it? I miss the old day when you are reasonable, do you remember what you said about me?



Are we still friend or should I keep doing this to defend my name?

[Hossain]

Kok I trust you and I do believe Friedman, Anthony and Yukon everyone know the fact very well too.

Sure 100 PR4 to PR6 backlinks can be easily beaten by 10K PR1 backlinks. But Friedman was quite correct too. He said if stack of crappy backlinks can do the trickery then some quality backlinks(low OBL, relevant, unique content and dofollow) can do it more easily.

I see you all are just attacking each other for just ego problem! But its a settled issue and no need to debate.

[Hossain]

This is not "Backlink Hydra" age anymore. Forum profile backlinks will hurt moneypage if we use plenty of them. I have noticed these backlinks actually make a webpage insane and webpages start rolling like a "roller coaster" in SERPs. So when I am talking about low quality backlinks I am not talking about "Forum Profile backlinks".

I would use forum profile backlinks to my t1 and t2 backlinks for just link juice. Eh I purchased xrumer long ago and I dont want to stop using this expensive tool until I see there is no way to use this one. hmmmm I have a 20 years old Honda Cub and I use this one when I go to Grocery!

[Hossain]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Please define quality.

When I say quality vs quantity, I mean high PR vs low PR, both are safe in this case.

Ok As you are talking about PR1 backlinks then these are safe. But do you think 1k PR1 forum Profile blast will be safe?

Originally Posted by kkchoon

However, when I say quality link, that might means a lot of stuff, such as:

1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less
2. Backlinks with unique spin content
3. Backlinks with anchor text surrounded by unique / spin content

Add No. 4 for Dofollow backlinks. and No. 5 for Relevant page.

1. Backlinks with 3 OBL or less----> Why only 3 OBL? I would not mind to use 10 OBL from a PR7 page. For me no. of OBL is relative. It will depend on PR and some other factors.

[rafiseo]

Carry on... I am enjoying the debate and learning lots of secrets from the debate....

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Mike, I'm not sure why you keep attacking me while I try to put you in my ignore list. I don't mind if your accusation is true, but WHO KNOW MY OWN BUSINESS MORE THAN ME?

KK people can say anything. Both Payment processes are live and you are participating in threads where you are selling this. Then you make the ridiculous statement that profile links are just as good as High Pr Blog links. totally ridiculous.

I am not attacking you . I am however attacking what you are trying to push because many newbies don't know much better and your are preying on their misunderstanding of links.

Yes there was a time long ago when you were open to learning and made strides to keep up with the changing landscape on google but then you left WF for the most part for a black hattters community and now that they have closed down you are back pushing the same kind of thing s that used to work and no longer do. KK people are getting penalties for some of the things you are suggesting and others just saw their sites tank because of them at the last panda update. I know. I have seen them and a few high pr backlinks brought back a few people that I helped.

Grow my man. Its not all about the mass way to do things or what makes the most money selling. Its about what really works. Not claiming something that doesn't actually does. Show it in the serps. Everything changes with time and Profile links are now the spammiest weakest links that you can find. You and Marc have so much to learn about SEO and things like PR networks but instead of doing so you go off on your half baked ideas and in the process just mislead a whole pile of people.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Hossain

Sure 100 PR4 to PR6 backlinks can be easily beaten by 10K PR1 backlinks.

Where? Show it in the serps. Who has 10k PR1s without developing higher PR naturally? What? theres a cap on PR now? Take even a second to think about it. This is not about ego this is about real world and facts. Only an idiot to SEO would build a network with 10,000 sites and not have higher than PR1s and 2s in the process.

Google is sitting there with millions of serps. If these things are true we don't need long drawn out tests. WE CAN GO TO GOOGLE RIGHT NOW AND LOOK. I've said it often and no one will take it up that argues this - Where is the serp where a site with a ton of high quality High PR links are being beat out by just quantity going after the same anchor text? Long tail sure. Anything can happen there . really competitive stuff? Don't see it anywhere.

I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.

[Oranges]

The moment a new "Blog Network" thread comes up, All the Mikes start running here n' there like headless chickens. LOL, Cool off people! Seriously!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Oranges

The moment a new "Blog Network" thread comes up, All the Mikes start running here n' there like headless chickens. LOL, Cool off people! Seriously!

and wherever the Mikes are you can count the seconds for the link spam defenders to show up with some inane remark

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by yukon

Might be a good time to update the WSO If he no longer is selling profile backlinks.

Then again his last comment on that WSO was 12-22-2011 (today), so I think he is very aware of what he is selling/promoting.

Not much left to index though, higher PR backlinks get indexed on their own.

I'm sure he doesn't re-read the sales copy before every post.

But he should update it if he isn't selling them any longer.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

He didn't - check post 14.

You're so quick to believe evidence that incriminates your 'opponents' and so slow to believe evidence that exonerates them. Maybe the sales copy wasn't updated? Maybe?

Again you are showing your total lack of understanding. Its not stupid.

I think he is saying it's stupid for him to do it. BMR can do what they want, it's their network. But as a prospective user kkchoon has every right to think getting links in that matter is stupid.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Somebody calling my name?

I give you props - Now THAT'S how a pot calls a kettle black.

Ahem...... From whom? LOL

I don't sell high PR blog posts. Can't be from me. Your sig exactly pimps what you keep talking about so the comparisons are garbage.

Actually still worth it if you want to get some quality Post Panda links.

Nice opinion.

[Marc_L]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.

And yet, you've not shown any keyword that you consider competitive. I've given keywords in the past I consider "average IMer" keywords but you haven't listed a single one.

What types of keywords do you need to create this PR network for? How many money sites do you need to have to make this type of network worthwhile? If you have a handful then I don't think it's worth the effort, buy links (from somebody other than me).

[swords]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Where? Show it in the serps. Who has 10k PR1s without developing higher PR naturally? What? theres a cap on PR now? Take even a second to think about it. This is not about ego this is about real world and facts. Only an idiot to SEO would build a network with 10,000 sites and not have higher than PR1s and 2s in the process.

Google is sitting there with millions of serps. If these things are true we don't need long drawn out tests. WE CAN GO TO GOOGLE RIGHT NOW AND LOOK. I've said it often and no one will take it up that argues this - Where is the serp where a site with a ton of high quality High PR links are being beat out by just quantity going after the same anchor text? Long tail sure. Anything can happen there . really competitive stuff? Don't see it anywhere.

I know two services that push this nonsense and they are both represented in this thread but anytime you ask them to show a single case in the serps they run away.

Thank you - I am now pleased. I do agree with you on many things, but disagree on many others. The point that seems to be disregarded in these on-going discussions is that long tail keywords are NOT USELESS and CAN BE RANKED with forum profiles (or other 'spammy' link types).

I'm sure you will chirp back saying "Ok, I'll let you go after 1k/mo keywords why I go after 10k/mo and we'll see who makes more money". Well, you know what, go right ahead. I can rank faster with 10 1k/searches and have MINIMAL risk, whereas your 10k/mo is a long process that has a slight risk to it (what if you get sandboxed, what if you can't beat the competition, what if it takes x5 as long than you expected).

I don't really want to get into the discussion of quality vs quantity, but you have just said it yourself that forum profiles cannot be disregarded in some aspects of SEO. Insulting KKChoon for feeding on the newbies of the WF for his forum profiles contradicts with your statement above... because newbies don't know how to run a blog network, don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's, and make a nice income by ranking for the long tail keywords out there.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Marc_L

I don't sell high PR blog posts. Can't be from me. Your sig exactly pimps what you keep talking about so the comparisons are garbage.

a post, an article, spun content AMR blast galore...A rose by any other name...... Don't talk about pimpin now. You got two guys that drop their sigs in threads constantly one that does it almost all the time and one that does almost nothing but talk up your services IN posts .like I said props on the pot calling kettle thing

Nice opinion.

Getting High PR links from real webmasters sites is not good links? This SEO thing really has you tied up in knots.

And yet, you've not shown any keyword that you consider competitive. I've given keywords in the past I consider "average IMer" keywords but you haven't listed a single one.

Of course I have. Don't start the lying up again so soon. I've even defined what competition to you on a chalkboard practically but you don't get it. Its terms people are actually COMPETING for with strong anchored text links,

Here I have given this to both you and KK ande KK even said he could do it before running away

https://www.google.com/search?q=back...-a&hl=en&gl=US

Go oh masters of quantity over quality, Go get a top three in that serp. KK knows it well. Its the very term that made backlinking popular 2-3 years back especially Angela edwards style.

So much for me never giving you an example of a single one.

[mattlaclear]

I understand the argument on both sides of the coin. High pr blogs generate a lot of juice. So do low pr blogs when bundled in sufficient quantity.

Low PR blogs get the job done. So use it as a base for your campaigns. Then start linking to your high pr blogs on top of it.

If "A" works. If "B" also works. Why in the hell would anyone argue against either? Who cares if "A" or "B " is stronger. Does it really matter? They have both been proven to work.

The obvious solution is be to combine the two together. Use the low pr blogs for bulk and the high pr ones as the protein.

If link juice was powered by BS or EGO there would be more than enough juice coming from this thread to rank all our sites collectively for the next ten years.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by swords

Thank you - I am now pleased. I do agree with you on many things, but disagree on many others. The point that seems to be disregarded in these on-going discussions is that long tail keywords are NOT USELESS and CAN BE RANKED with forum profiles (or other 'spammy' link types).

A) You didn't read. I was not talking about forum profiles there. Those are not PR1. They are PR N/A when they are created so obviously that was not what was being referred to but someone else who mentioned 10,000 PR 1s . Try and keep up before thinking you are making a great point.
B) Forum profiles are STILL garbage for any long tail with any amount of competition. xrummer blasts do very little these days
C) your inability to read does not make me contradict my point

, don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's, and make a nice income by ranking for the long tail keywords out there.

Yeah thats working for the newbies who haven't even cracked $5 per day on adsense right? Look around the forums son. None of the people who are known for doing well on adsense are claiming to be masters of forum profiles. We have ton loads of software to spam the junk out of everything in sight and most Imers cannot make money which just TOTALLY destroys your point so yes you demonstrate my point better than I could

KKchoon is misleading newbies like yourself. In addition its just appealing to laziness. Forget blog networks look what you just wrote.

"don't know what PageRank even is, don't know how to determine competition for 10k/mo searches, and so on. What they CAN do is properly build some 'spammy' forum profiles, in conjunction with a few articles and web2.0's,"

Heres a thought. Its not rocket science - how about people getting off their duff and learning what PR is and how to determine competition than just spamming sites to hope to make a little money which most never do.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

The obvious solution is be to combine the two together. Use the low pr blogs for bulk and the high pr ones as the protein.

actually shocking to both of us - agreed. These arguments usually break out when one party comes on saying that quantity trumps quality but that was not you in this thread. Now me I would start with the quality because once you have it its then easy to spread it abroad and help out your low pages. Every time I add up what people end up paying for services and software that can never pay them back beyond ranking and compare it to having a few domains with some Pr to work with it always works out long term better out of pocket.

Has nothing to do with building networks or me teaching people how to build networks. Forget networks. Owning a couple high quality sites to link from opens up all kinds of link building opportunities.