Getting Backlinks Indexed / Crawled (Linklicious vs. Lindexed)

[JeffNormand]

So I am seeing a low rate of backlinks being indexed recently. It could be due to so many reasons. I know full well that no one can really know 100% how to force Google to crawl a certain link.

Having said all this, I also know that one should ping and rss their backlinks for higher success rate (that has been proven).

I was researching tools that could help out with this, sure enough Linklicious.me came up and I like the idea. Some use a mix of Linklicious and Lindexed.

Was wondering if any of you folks use these tools, and what are your thoughts on them? Do you use both? Is it worth it? Any other tools that could complement these?

[masterjani]

use nuclear link crawler it will work best.

[JeffNormand]

Originally Posted by masterjani

use nuclear link crawler it will work best.

Looks nice. Yes I can see it's from user Kok Choon from WF

I got excited when I saw the free version (so that I can try it out), but it requires a software to be installed, and I'm not sure I like that idea

[John Williamson]

Look into Backlink Energizer.

[mrshades]

i just upgraded my nuclear link crawler... i used the free version for a decent amount of time i love the service.. more for crawling then indexing....be creative

[JeffNormand]

Hey rotze, I signed up for the $14.95 plan

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

Yeah, not sure why he installs software. Linklicious was the first pinging service of its kind (as far as pinging until Google crawls and allowing your to schedule so that you can look natural and avoid penalties)and it has a proven track record..

If you want to try our Free version, you just need to sign up for free...no need to download anything suspicious =)

Haha... I saw you love to imply some negative image to our service, the fact is we are providing the same effective crawling service, only that NLC provide more credit for our customer.

The software is called NCB, adapt from one of our best selling ping scheduler software - Nuclear Ping Scheduler, it will download user campaign into their computer and send it to ping servers to notify Google to crawl their backlinks!

To get backlink index, there are no match for indexing services like Nuclear Link Indexer or backlinksindexer, we will ensure all backlinks get index instead of just get crawled.

I know you are telling people there are no differences to get backlink crawl / index, but the fact is indexed links usually carry more link juice because of the extra boosting.

Backlink Energizer and Backlink Index Express are both my favorites and highly recommended tools if you are not creating a lot of backlinks. (below 1,000 a month)

[John Moore]

Talking with a few other full time SEOs a consensus is building that not trying to force a link to be indexed could be the way to go, rather just let google find the link naturally and index at it's own rate.........although I've yet to scientifically test this, it's a theory that makes sense to me.....especially post panda....

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Haha... I saw you love to imply some negative image to our service, the fact is we are providing the same effective crawling service, only that NLC provide more credit for our customer.

The software is called NCB, adapt from one of our best selling ping scheduler software - Nuclear Ping Scheduler, it will download user campaign into their computer and send it to ping servers to notify Google to crawl their backlinks!

To get backlink index, there are no match for indexing services like Nuclear Link Indexer or backlinksindexer, we will ensure all backlinks get index instead of just get crawled.

I know you are telling people there are no differences to get backlink crawl / index, but the fact is indexed links usually carry more link juice because of the extra boosting.

Backlink Energizer and Backlink Index Express are both my favorites and highly recommended tools if you are not creating a lot of backlinks. (below 1,000 a month)

Thats where you're wrong Kok. I've never in my life said that non indexed links are better or equal to indexed links. I said indexing isn't cost effective (relative to buying more or better links).

I don't say that because I found indexed links to be worthless..I found them to cost too much for what they do. We track everything we do, and have kept a case study on every client, keyword or SERP movement we have ever seen/built. We have tried various methods and try different things for the sake of testing and we found that focusing on indexing was a waste of time and money.

^ You offer an indexing service, so I get why you want to tell everyone how "important" it is, which is fine. Tell them, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't tell me...I have all the case studies I need to know it's not true. There is a reason we chose to develop a pinging service instead of an indexing one (initially we were going to do an indexing one).

....seems like you decided to switch to a crawling service as well. You tried to copy our old version of Linklicious all the way down to using our Centralized time zone. The problem is, you have to add questionable software to people's computers and you use a now outdated, less effective process.

Now, if you want to go service for service...and you want to preach how important indexed links are....Linklicious gives subscribers a free coupon at One Hour Backlinks - Buy indexed and high PR links with our link building service where you don't have to wait, waste time (and money) going through the process of INDEXING your links.....with onehourbacklinks we GIVE subscribers indexed links for FREE. =)

So... No need to keep derailing threads. He asked a question and we answered.

[Juvv2096]

I doubt the OP wants his thread hijacked by two competitors guys...

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by Juvv2096

I doubt the OP wants his thread hijacked by two competitors guys...

He already thanked us and signed up, he fulfilled the threads purpose.

[Hossain]

use NLI and BE both. BE is one time investment. On the other hand NLI requires monthly subscription but worth your money. I have found almost 90%+ success using both of these services/tools simultaneously.

Most recently NLI has established a blog network so that it will provide much better service then the past. So you will get some link juice too.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

Thats where you're wrong Kok. I've never in my life said that non indexed links are better or equal to indexed links. I said indexing isn't cost effective (relative to buying more or better links).

LOL

Indexing is not cost effective? That's depends, indexed links are usually have much more rank power, and that's a fact, but in terms of cost effectiveness that I'll let the customer to judge about it.

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

I don't say that because I found indexed links to be worthless..I found them to cost too much for what they do. We track everything we do, and have kept a case study on every client, keyword or SERP movement we have ever seen/built. We have tried various methods and try different things for the sake of testing and we found that focusing on indexing was a waste of time and money.

Would really love to see your track figures, a screenshot will do.

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

^ You offer an indexing service, so I get why you want to tell everyone how "important" it is, which is fine. Tell them, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't tell me...I have all the case studies I need to know it's not true. There is a reason we chose to develop a pinging service instead of an indexing one (initially we were going to do an indexing one).

There are a log of ping services out there, even Nuclear Ping Scheduler will do similar to what you claim, and I don't see anything new about this.

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

....seems like you decided to switch to a crawling service as well. You tried to copy our old version of Linklicious all the way down to using our Centralized time zone. The problem is, you have to add questionable software to people's computers and you use a now outdated, less effective process.

Won't call that a switch, just to proof that we can deliver the same service at a much lower cost - plus, we can do it better!

Here's what NLC Vs NLI:

For low quality backlinks like profile links and spammy bookmarks, we recommend using a crawling service would be good enough, getting them index would only cost too much - because links like these doesn't stick long, especially profile links that don't spin with unique content.

On the other hand, blog network, profile link with high PR and unique content are recommended for Indexing, because they stick longer and really boost the ranking if done correctly.

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

Now, if you want to go service for service...and you want to preach how important indexed links are....Linklicious gives subscribers a free coupon at One Hour Backlinks - Buy indexed and high PR links with our link building service where you don't have to wait, waste time (and money) going through the process of INDEXING your links.....with onehourbacklinks we GIVE subscribers indexed links for FREE. =)

So... No need to keep derailing threads. He asked a question and we answered.

Tell me you are not providing something like XRumer kind of service with low quality profile links? Good luck.

[Chris Sweeney]

Linklicious guarantees that your links get crawled, and things like Backlink Energizer do indeed work to get your links indexed. However, if you are building links that need all that extra boosting just to be found/crawled/indexed/cached by Google, do you really think those links are going to count for much?

Now more than ever, amongst all these algorithmic search engine changes, Google is favoring high quality links from trusted websites, i.e. those with PageRank and a little age. By focusing your time/money on obtaining high quality links, you won't have to worry about going through the hassle of trying to boost/juice any low quality links. Concentrate on high quality. That's how all the SEO pros do it anyway. Take a look at the backlink profiles for some mid-to-high competition keywords, and you won't see article, profile, bookmark, and directory links. Rather, you'll see high quality links with PageRank.

[kkchoon]

Please define high quality links...

1. High PR Domain
2. High PR Page

and ...?

[Chris Sweeney]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Please define high quality links...

1. High PR Domain
2. High PR Page

and ...?

3. A link from a page that will get indexed on it's own or is already indexed and gets crawled frequently (as opposed to one that requires additional effort, i.e. juicing, boosting, etc.)
4. A link from a page that has low OBL
5. Links that come from a range of IPs (although not totally important)
6. DoFollow (of course)

...just to name a few...any additions?

[Hossain]

Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney

3. A link from a page that will get indexed on it's own or is already indexed and gets crawled frequently (as opposed to one that requires additional effort, i.e. juicing, boosting, etc.)
4. A link from a page that has low OBL
5. Links that come from a range of IPs (although not totally important)
6. DoFollow (of course)

...just to name a few...any additions?

3 is Not true.

[Chris Sweeney]

Originally Posted by Hossain

3 is Not true.

Actually none of them are really "true" per se, since they are all the result of my testing, so the fact that any of those points above is true is my opinion. However, many would agree that all of those points are quite true.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney

3. A link from a page that will get indexed on it's own or is already indexed and gets crawled frequently (as opposed to one that requires additional effort, i.e. juicing, boosting, etc.)
4. A link from a page that has low OBL

Some might argue about this, but on some perspective, I think you are right. A backlink that will get index naturally or in other words - easy to get index is consider high quality, because Google recognize it!

Here's what I discovered - backlink with unique content and anchor link between surrounded by content is the easiest to get indexed. NLI had a lot of statistic to support this.

Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney

5. Links that come from a range of IPs (although not totally important)

At some point, Unique IP does help a lot, and for me they are important.

Originally Posted by Chris Sweeney

6. DoFollow (of course)

...just to name a few...any additions?

Yes, this is a must...

[Mike Anthony]

Sooner or later people will begin to figure out that the need for these services is only because of the kind of junk backlinking sellers try to push. IF your links are having a problem being crawled its because Google can't be bothered digging deep where those links are put.

They are low quality
without good navigation
a lot of the time viewed as spammy
and often get deleted

indexers and index services are a waste of money trying to force Google to see links it cares little about. instead skip those kinds of links to begin with. Then we don't have to see the two sellers in this thread going back and forth trying to sell their services for garbage links because that kind of service will be retired to prehistoric (okay maybe more prepanda) practices.

[kkchoon]

Mike, let's do a simple test, we will rank a 3 mil+ keyword each with our backlinks, and one with indexing / crawling, and you are going to use your so called "high quality" backlinks to push the keyword, we'll see find out which is ranking faster, do you want to give it a try?

[faridaziz]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Mike, let's do a simple test, we will rank a 3 mil+ keyword each with our backlinks, and one with indexing / crawling, and you are going to use your so called "high quality" backlinks to push the keyword, we'll see find out which is ranking faster, do you want to give it a try?

Hey, this is a nice challenge...

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Mike, let's do a simple test, we will rank a 3 mil+ keyword each with our backlinks, and one with indexing / crawling, and you are going to use your so called "high quality" backlinks to push the keyword, we'll see find out which is ranking faster, do you want to give it a try?

Try selling it to the newbs KKChhon. I would smoke you and you probably know it. Your challenge is empty. You know the one reason why no one will ever take the challenge who owns their own network.

Network owners have invested money in their domains and publicly outing them would be like flushing money down the toilet. You wouldn't care because you are a peddler of junk links that you didn't have to buy. (Now if you wanted to put $10,000 in escrow then I might consider it )

You merely spam other sites so what do you care if they get exposed? So lets do a test that can actually be run without me losing my investments. Go ahead and show me ONE truly competitive serp where ANYONE is beating out a a site with a bunch of high PR linked sites and ranks top three with your pile of crappy links?

The whole of Google is yours to show me and I will give you a hundred bucks. No one has to lose any of their investments, Fair and fair. Say the word and we can start the thread. Newbs would learn a ton load more too because we could look at 30-50 serps instead of one.

Incidentally I hope by three million keyword you mean 3 million searches because if your mean 3 million results I would be embarrassed for you.

[kkchoon]

Are you in or not? I hate long empty post without delivering much useful message.

Keyword with 3 mil+ competition, each of us go buy a new domain, and setup proper content and start ranking it as of today, let's see how it turns out - with / without indexing.

You name the keyword, waiting for your reply, friend.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Are you in or not? I hate long empty post without delivering much useful message.

Keyword with 3 mil+ competition, each of us go buy a new domain, and setup proper content and start ranking it as of today, let's see how it turns out - with / without indexing.

You name the keyword, waiting for your reply, friend.

You already got my reply. I am the one waiting......

Are YOU in? Find a serp that proves your point and I don't have to expose my network that I have money invested in. Now stop playing your games like you can't read English. I answered you. One hundred dollars to you if you can show a serp where your garbage kind of links ranks anyone in a competitive serp over a page that has good quality high PR links.

Are you in or are you out?

[Mike Anthony]

Keyword with 3 mil+ competition

lol I am embarassed for you. Search count is not competition count. You still trying that sales tactic to sell your stuff KK?

how about we go for this one

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&t...w=1280&bih=516

because obviously 37 million pages are trying to compete for "backlink pants" - ROFL

[kkchoon]

That's not the right way to see keyword competition, I hope we are on the same page here:

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...l0l75l75l1l1l0

"Backlink pants" had a competition of 2, pointless to rank that.

On the other hand - backlink itself will be competitive:

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...70l421l4.1l5l0

85 millions competitions, or you want to rank for this keyword? I can do that.

For faster result, I am recommending 3 mil+ keyword competition, let me find few for you -

Way to get exboyfriend back


"way to get ex boyfriend back" - Google Search

"natural treatment for depression"

"natural treatment for depression" - Google Search

"get rid of acne fast"

"get rid of acne fast" - Google Search

So, here are 3 keywords in my selections:

"Way to get exboyfriend back"
"natural treatment for depression"
"get rid of acne fast"

Which one you would like to try?

Regarding you worried about exposing your network, that's some risk you have to take, but there is a way to minimize the risk:

1. Build backlinks until you reach your ranking, let it stay for a week to proof your point.

2. Remove all backlinks to that domain.

3. Or you can mix some fake links just to avoid detection.

This way you not only proof your point, you can minimize the risk of exposing your network entirely.

So are you in or not? We can start now, post an update in a new thread every 3 to 7 days, this will be interesting!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

That's not the right way to see keyword competition, I hope we are on the same page here:
Which one you would like to try?

None. You are still being ridiculous. Putting it in quotes makes no difference. It is still not an indication of competition only the amount of times a phrase occurs in the google database

Heres proof

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...w=1280&bih=516

There are not 22 million pages competing for "hate my family"

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...w=1280&bih=516

There are not 9 million pages trying to rank number one for personal stories

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...w=1280&bih=516

there are not 335 million pages competing for "tell you what"

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...3c420078196b39

there are not 181 million pages competing for "last night we"

These are the amount of times the phrases are in the index KK not how many people are competing fo rthe terms. sellers use this kind of foolishness to fool their buyers into thinking they are beating other "competing sites" when in reality very few people are trying to get number one for these terms because THERE IS NO MONEY IN THEM or not as much as phrase count indicates.

Competing is determined on the front page, by anchor text links competitors are targeting. You know? what people do in terms of links when they really are trying to compete. My goodness man even Google keyword count of searches per month for a term that can make cash would be better. First page for keywords people want to make money with - thats how you determine competition.

Like I said try and sell that to the newbs

Regarding you worried about exposing your network, that's some risk you have to take

Nope. I don't have to take any risk just because you are afraid to show your proof in the present existing serps. My counter challenge is out there and it leaves me with the same amount of risk as you. Show the principles in the serps. you don't get to dictate to me what risks I have to take that you don't. There is no way to minimize my risj to none as you claim.

I think anyone in this thread can see the ridiculousness of you calling for a competition that exposes my network to deindexing where you don't have any to expose. I made a perfectly fair counter proposal. If your kind of junk links work then show where they have in the serps where we can all see the backlinks etc without anyone exposing their own investments or links and lets show it in a TRULY competitive serp. There are search results all over Google without any of our links to show the principles for you to make your point without telling me I will have to take risk you don't and won't.

Tell me when you are ready to show it in the serps where none of us have to put anything at risk and stop playing games.

[retsek]

Get him Mike ..learn him good.

3 million competing pages ...hahahaha. I LOL every time I see Angela peddling that crap.

[kkchoon]

Haha.. typical Mike Anthony answer.

I'm not debating the competition thing with you, I have picked 3 keywords here, are you up to the challenge?

If not, I'll leave you as is, say what you want. Got to love you for who you are.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by retsek

Get him Mike ..learn him good.

3 million competing pages ...hahahaha. I LOL every time I see Angela peddling that crap.

You are welcome to join the competition.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Haha.. typical Mike Anthony answer.

I'm not debating the competition thing with you,

Typical garbage link seller answer. avoid the facts, avoid what real competition is and pretend that Google and all the search results out there are not enough to prove them wrong. Just make up some nonsense deceptive fake competition metric and expect the world of newbies to follow and give them their hard earned money.

meanwhile can't show a single good competition result where your kind of backlinks can rank a fly.

but you know what? I'll call you on your own example

Backlinks. I dont even have to show my network. you can have the field to yourself. Rank number one for backlinks and you win. Shoot. I'll even give you a silver or a bronze for 2nd or third - thats right the very field term you sell. Do it with out any high Pr links that don't need to be boosted. Show us the power of your boosting. You are on the clock and its ticking. Put up or shut up as they say.

Originally Posted by kkchoon

.

On the other hand - backlink itself will be competitive:

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...70l421l4.1l5l0

85 millions competitions, or you want to rank for this keyword? I can do that.

You said it not me "I can do that"

Now ladies and gentleman - and germs - watch the backlink seller shuffle and twist out of this one even after he brought up the term himself.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Typical garbage link seller answer. avoid the facts, avoid what real competition is and pretend that Google and all the search results out there are not enough to prove them wrong. Just make up some nonsense deceptive fake competition metric and expect the world of newbies to follow and give them their hard earned money.

Do you know what kind of backlinks I'm selling? I'm very surprise you said that! You won't accept the challenge to prove yourself, and no proof of anything you've said and still attacking people personally, I think from now on I'll have to put you in my ignore list.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Do you know what kind of backlinks I'm selling?

. Come on KK. Who are you kidding here? Of course I know that you sell profile links. I'm not going to give you a link to your sales page but heres a quote from it -

"Every month, we will create 4,000 high quality profile links on 2,000 High PR websites, each with 2 backlinks to your designated page."

So again lets stop with the games.

You won't accept the challenge to prove yourself, and no proof of anything you've said

I take it thats your way of stating you won't go for the very term you brought up. Hardly surprising. No I have accepted the backlink term that you brought up. Its now you running from it. My proof that you claim I do not have is right there in that serp.

https://www.google.com/search?source....0.1l9l0&gl=US

Not a single page in the top four rank for that term without employing HIGH PR links NOT profile links. Anyone can fire up even the free version of SEO spyglass and see that. in Position 8 is a xrummer service that has been trying FOR MONTHS to crack the top 4 and HAS FAILED. They occasionally get to first page and get tossed back to page two after awhile.

Get that? The proof is looking at you right there in the serps and not just any serp THE NUMBER ONE search term for Backlink sellers - backlinks .

So lets see you rank. Stop stalling. Prove yourself in your own niches keyword that YOU said in this very thread you could do. Either that or run away as usual.

[jkimbro]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sooner or later people will begin to figure out that the need for these services is only because of the kind of junk backlinking sellers try to push. IF your links are having a problem being crawled its because Google can't be bothered digging deep where those links are put.

They are low quality
without good navigation
a lot of the time viewed as spammy
and often get deleted

indexers and index services are a waste of money trying to force Google to see links it cares little about. instead skip those kinds of links to begin with. Then we don't have to see the two sellers in this thread going back and forth trying to sell their services for garbage links because that kind of service will be retired to prehistoric (okay maybe more prepanda) practices.

I'm a newbie and confused. please help. I posted 4 articles that were all approved onto ezines articles PR 6. Each article has two links and each article has a page rank of six; however, google hasn't picked up a single one of these yet and I want Google to pick them up because they will each point to my my money shot page with a PR of 6. Am I supposed to forget about it and not attempt to use an indexing service? Has google given the hand to ezine articles in terms of backlinks? Is it better for me to just move on to other sites in hope they get indexed right away? I'm just a newbie eager to get credit for my links.

[chrislangley]

Linklicious does have a good reputation, and I would recommend it

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by jkimbro

I'm a newbie and confused. please help. I posted 4 articles that were all approved onto ezines articles PR 6. Each article has two links and each article has a page rank of six; however, google hasn't picked up a single one of these yet and I want Google to pick them up because they will each point to my my money shot page with a PR of 6.

Are you sure these are on PR6 pages? Just because Ezinearticle's has a PR6 homepage does not mean that your article page has a PR6. A Pr6 page will usually not have any problem being indexed on its own without needing any indexers.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

85 millions competitions, or you want to rank for this keyword? I can do that.

Ultimate SEO fail.

I won't even bother explaining way.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sooner or later people will begin to figure out that the need for these services is only because of the kind of junk backlinking sellers try to push. IF your links are having a problem being crawled its because Google can't be bothered digging deep where those links are put.

LOL! I missed this thread. I just don't come around often enough to join in
on the fun!

Silly how people think that google must, will, or need to index any ol' link.
Not gonna happen. You can't force google to do anything.

Anyone that starts out with a statement about 85 million competing
pages, and offering SEO, links, etc. needs to be avoided. Google does
not work that way. They work the way a bookstore works or library
works. How many books do you think have the word dogs? But the
competition for people searching for books on "dogs," is limited to
the one shelf in the pets/animals dept. devoted to dogs. Not the
whole friggin' thousands of books in the library that have the word
dog in them.

It really needs to be reiterated. Anyone who has trouble getting
links, pages, etc. indexed by google, is barking up the wrong tree.
You need to change your link building.

Linklicious.me? Holy cow! I guess that just blows all the people
who swear the only site worth a dang is a dot com completely
off the boat.

My how the story just goes full circle when talking BS!

No wise man has the power to reason away what a fool believes.

Modern day Pied Pipers, leading grown ups, who should know better.

Paul

[Mike Anthony]

Its even more of a hoot Paul. A seller in this thread is claiming if you put the term in "quotes" thats the real determination of competition

So if I say now that My first car was a Honda Civic and this post is crawled by Google and appears as one result in a quote search for "Honda Civic" its because I am Competing for the term and not incidentally mentioning it.

[spirituscorpus]

KK,

You're really not doing yourself any favours man by trying to adopt an objective stance in a thread that you have a vested interest in.

The OP is looking for advice not a sales pitch.

You've put forward your defence of your software now leave it and allow the thread to breathe.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by spirituscorpus

KK,

You're really not doing yourself any favours man by trying to adopt an objective stance in a thread that you have a vested interest in.

The OP is looking for advice not a sales pitch.

You've put forward your defence of your software now leave it and allow the thread to breathe.

I have enough business of my own, really don't need to pitch anything here.

Indexing had it place in SEO, while Mike and many might think that High PR links doesn't need indexing, that would depends.

Bottom line, indexing will guarantee low quality backlinks being credited and high quality backlinks get credited faster! Can you be sure that all high PR sites will get 100% index rate - naturally? I don't think so.

I'm open minded learner, that's why I don't mind people have different idea, but accusing me not giving advice instead of just a sales pitch, that doesn't do anyone any good, why don't you tell me if you agree that indexing is useless and why, I'll share my experience with you.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

. Come on KK. Who are you kidding here? Of course I know that you sell profile links. I'm not going to give you a link to your sales page but heres a quote from it -

"Every month, we will create 4,000 high quality profile links on 2,000 High PR websites, each with 2 backlinks to your designated page."

So again lets stop with the games.

Nope, don't sell that a long time ago, instead, my guaranteed ranking is the new baby now.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I take it thats your way of stating you won't go for the very term you brought up. Hardly surprising. No I have accepted the backlink term that you brought up. Its now you running from it. My proof that you claim I do not have is right there in that serp.

So you are accepting the challenge or keep doing this the along the way? Do you want to rank for backlink? I'm glad to accept that challenge. We both build a new site and see who get there first, Mike Vs KKChoon, anyone would like to see that?

Since this is your favorite keyword, and we both agree they are high competition keyword, I think we can really show who know SEO better, instead of just bunch of accusation and useless theories which can't proof themselves.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by paulgl

LOL! I missed this thread. I just don't come around often enough to join in
on the fun!

Anyone that starts out with a statement about 85 million competing
pages, and offering SEO, links, etc. needs to be avoided. Google does
not work that way. They work the way a bookstore works or library
works. How many books do you think have the word dogs? But the
competition for people searching for books on "dogs," is limited to
the one shelf in the pets/animals dept. devoted to dogs. Not the
whole friggin' thousands of books in the library that have the word
dog in them.

You seems confidence about this, I would really love to see how you rank for the keyword "backlink" from start, and you are welcome to join the challenge.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by yukon

Ultimate SEO fail.

I won't even bother explaining way.

Why bother to leave a short message that no one can understand?

[brimstone]

Can't we all just get along. Anyways after reading the bottom portion of this thread, i thought i would just say this. Some amount of of 'garbage' links works for me (not 5000 profiles blasted in a day and then back linked to death with scape box post). These links do need a little help for G to find them, I use backlinkindexer (not an affiliate) to do this. This is in conjunction with building quality links, all done in a consistent pace and amount. This seems to work. Well. Anyways what do I know.

[OO]

Personally I let them get indexed naturally. IMO looks more organic to the se's.

[zabalex]

A back link which requires itself of being crawled and indexed by you is useless or worthless. A link is only good if it is on a page which is crawled and indexed by search engines

By doing an effort to index your link you are attempting to index the page and helping the back linking domain. If you are assigned to do this work then I think you should look for some other good resource to get links from rather than wasting your time to get a link from a page which requires you effort to get indexed.

[kkchoon]

About Indexing - Here are some backlinks that are very easy to get index:

1. High PR - The higher the PR, the higher the index rate. If a site post content too fast, Google will not be able to index them all in time, but with a simple ping or RSS submission, these links are very easy to get index.

2. Unique content - Backlink page with unique content and anchor link between those content is extremely easy to get index, even with low PR like PR0 and PR N/A. But these type of low PR site are crawl much slower, without indexing system in place, most backlinks will not be discovered.

Here are some backlinks that are super hard to get index:

1. Direct link (site wide link or any link without anchor text), like phpbb kind of profile links.
2. Bookmarking sites like Pligg platform.
3. Backlinks with unique content but anchor link at the beginning of a paragraph or end of a paragraph, this seems to leave a big footprint for Google to filter them out.

It doesn't matter if you are using high PR or low PR domain links, the question if you need indexing or let it index naturally will greatly depends on your backlink quality and if you are posting tons of those backlinks in your network - faster than Google bot can visit!

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I have enough business of my own, really don't need to pitch anything here.

Is that why you had multiple threads closed where you attempted to do a "Case study" based on your own software and system? come on KK. A little honesty. its cool. It is a marketing forum after all. Marketers who don't want to pitch don't pitch their services.

As for the challenge . Yes proceed. IF you get take and hold top three using just weak links then I will eat my hat and pay you to rank your own site.

I am not too concerned about proving who knows SEO though . I think given recent posts by you that no regular SEO member here agrees with thats already been exposed.