How does it work

Caden Grant · 12-13-2011, 01:29 AM

Okay.. lately I've been making some pretty good money designing and selling WordPress themes, but I want to push it and see how much money I can make with affiliate marketing.

Sorry if this is an extremely retarded question, but I've always wondered this and have yet to find an answer.

Basically I'm a bit confused on how building profitable email lists goes.

So I figure building a list with pay per click... say you pay $0.80 per click (I'm not sure if that's realistic or if you can easily achieve lower cost per click, not really sure how it all works) and you pay $1000 for 1250 people ($1000/.8 = 1250)

Say you're sending people from this ad to a landing page with an opt-in form which usually from what I heard converts anywhere from just a few percent to 60% or 70%, maybe even more not sure. Let's say it converts at 50%, just to be safe, and you get 625 signups onto your mailing list from spending $1000.

Also, from what I've heard, emails typically convert at around 1%-3%. So let's say I send an email to my 625 subscribers, promoting a $30 product, and 1% buys. That's only 6 people. So basically, I spent $1000 to get 625 subscribers, where I only make $180 back (6 subscribers * $30). So I just lost $820. It doesn't make sense.

How do people make money? Do they make profit by continuing to email these people more products until they've earned their money back and then some?

Or am I just completely wrong with all of this? Really been bugging me - any help/comments would be appreciated.

Caden Grant · 12-14-2011, 10:15 AM

Nobody has anything to say on this?

paulgl · 12-14-2011, 10:31 AM

You probably will not build a list using PPC.

Maybe PPV, (pay per view) like clixsense or something.

Traffic exchanges are good too for list building.

You need real people, with a real interest to join
your list. Otherwise it's just a spambox-fest.

You conversion rates are way overly optimistic.

I would consider other ways of promoting.

Paul

yukon · 12-14-2011, 11:20 AM

I create new freebie content (downloadable files) & give that away in niche forums.

The downloads are the hook for instant free traffic.

Inside each download zip file includes a web page shortcut to my sales page or Adsense page. The url never changes but I can change the content every single day If I want, to a new sales product (email opt-in form, Adsense, Clickbank, CPA, etc...).

I have maybe 3.5 million web page shortcuts on my traffics computers since I first started.

I've used that technique for the last 4-5 years, & it works very well for me.

Keep in mind I get repeat traffic because they like my content. Without the good content your wasting your time IMO.

Caden Grant · 12-14-2011, 11:24 AM

I hear about Frank Kern and John Chow and Shoemoney and everybody else using CPC and it works great for them? I don't understand.

How else would you get subscribers quickly? It takes a long time to start generating decent traffic without CPC or making a viral video or something right? I know SEO takes a decent amount of time.

Does anybody know if list building is explained in Frank Kern's Mass Control 2.0 as I'm thinking of buying it?

yukon · 12-14-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Caden Grant

I hear about Frank Kern and John Chow and Shoemoney and everybody else using CPC and it works great for them? I don't understand.

How else would you get subscribers quickly? It takes a long time to start generating decent traffic without CPC or making a viral video or something right? I know SEO takes a decent amount of time.

Does anybody know if list building is explained in Frank Kern's Mass Control 2.0 as I'm thinking of buying it?

Those guys are BS artist, IMO, stay away from them.

Caden Grant · 12-14-2011, 11:50 AM

Well does anybody know any good list building courses?

Mike Hutton · 12-14-2011, 12:52 PM

lmao shoe money! stay away from jack ass gurus like that, as yukon said they are full of bull****

Caden Grant · 12-14-2011, 11:16 PM

You guys say Frank Kern is a bull**** artist, but I've seen testimonials all over the web, and even on this site by respected members that even admit that it works great... So I don't really believe he's a "bs artist"

12-13-2011, 01:29 AM	#1
Caden Grant Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	How does it work Okay.. lately I've been making some pretty good money designing and selling WordPress themes, but I want to push it and see how much money I can make with affiliate marketing. Sorry if this is an extremely retarded question, but I've always wondered this and have yet to find an answer. Basically I'm a bit confused on how building profitable email lists goes. So I figure building a list with pay per click... say you pay $0.80 per click (I'm not sure if that's realistic or if you can easily achieve lower cost per click, not really sure how it all works) and you pay $1000 for 1250 people ($1000/.8 = 1250) Say you're sending people from this ad to a landing page with an opt-in form which usually from what I heard converts anywhere from just a few percent to 60% or 70%, maybe even more not sure. Let's say it converts at 50%, just to be safe, and you get 625 signups onto your mailing list from spending $1000. Also, from what I've heard, emails typically convert at around 1%-3%. So let's say I send an email to my 625 subscribers, promoting a $30 product, and 1% buys. That's only 6 people. So basically, I spent $1000 to get 625 subscribers, where I only make $180 back (6 subscribers * $30). So I just lost $820. It doesn't make sense. How do people make money? Do they make profit by continuing to email these people more products until they've earned their money back and then some? Or am I just completely wrong with all of this? Really been bugging me - any help/comments would be appreciated.

12-14-2011, 10:15 AM	#2
Caden Grant Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How does it work Nobody has anything to say on this?

12-14-2011, 10:31 AM	#3
paulgl Plundering the Web War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 4,851 Thanks: 804 Thanked 1,200 Times in 887 Posts	Re: How does it work You probably will not build a list using PPC. Maybe PPV, (pay per view) like clixsense or something. Traffic exchanges are good too for list building. You need real people, with a real interest to join your list. Otherwise it's just a spambox-fest. You conversion rates are way overly optimistic. I would consider other ways of promoting. Paul
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12-14-2011, 11:20 AM	#4
yukon SEO Strategist War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,534 Thanks: 355 Thanked 1,993 Times in 1,274 Posts	Re: How does it work I create new freebie content (downloadable files) & give that away in niche forums. The downloads are the hook for instant free traffic. Inside each download zip file includes a web page shortcut to my sales page or Adsense page. The url never changes but I can change the content every single day If I want, to a new sales product (email opt-in form, Adsense, Clickbank, CPA, etc...). I have maybe 3.5 million web page shortcuts on my traffics computers since I first started. I've used that technique for the last 4-5 years, & it works very well for me. Keep in mind I get repeat traffic because they like my content. Without the good content your wasting your time IMO.

12-14-2011, 11:24 AM	#5
Caden Grant Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How does it work I hear about Frank Kern and John Chow and Shoemoney and everybody else using CPC and it works great for them? I don't understand. How else would you get subscribers quickly? It takes a long time to start generating decent traffic without CPC or making a viral video or something right? I know SEO takes a decent amount of time. Does anybody know if list building is explained in Frank Kern's Mass Control 2.0 as I'm thinking of buying it?

12-14-2011, 11:50 AM	#7
Caden Grant Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How does it work Well does anybody know any good list building courses?

12-14-2011, 12:52 PM	#8
Mike Hutton SEO Wizard War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 81 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: How does it work lmao shoe money! stay away from jack ass gurus like that, as yukon said they are full of bull****

12-14-2011, 11:16 PM	#9
Caden Grant Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How does it work You guys say Frank Kern is a bull**** artist, but I've seen testimonials all over the web, and even on this site by respected members that even admit that it works great... So I don't really believe he's a "bs artist"