Adsense Reality Check - 5 years & Going Strong!

[yukon]

You ever get tired of the sad pathetic "Google Adsense banned me for no reason" threads, I know I do?

I've been with Adsense for 5 years. I don't want to sound like some arrogant prick, but let me share a little secret for anyone new to Adsense.

I don't build MFA crap sites that nobody will like, I build larger quality sites.

I build quality email list on all of my Adsense sites. I build those list with Feedburner & "Google Friend Connect". I seriously think Google tracks these types of things (legit social patterns).

My advice is stop building lame 5 page MFA sites that no human would ever enjoy. My point here is be creative & that doesn't necessarily mean articles.

Find a problem that people need solved & give them the answer.

You guys that are stuck on articles & silly things like keyword density would be blown away If you ever seen how simple my sites are, & I make enough money from Adsense to not work a 9-5 job offline. Three of my larger sites don't have a single article, all hundreds of legal downloads that I personally created.

Without quality content & happy traffic your surely on a road of self destructive Adsense failure.

Two of my sites have been on auto-pilot for the most part, for a couple of years because I did a lot of consistent work up front (5 years ago). Now I simply collect my Adsense earnings & make sure my sites are always online & running smooth (10 min. work per day on the old sites).

Stop following the herd & start building real creative content solutions.



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[healthybloke]

Well, you didn't share any of your site links for us to take a look.. I wonder, how you make money with download pages alone and without any textual content..

[yukon]

Originally Posted by healthybloke

Well, you didn't share any of your site links for us to take a look..

My first IM rule is to never show my money sites, especially when I post on an open forum that their profitable. I don't need 20 jokers scraping my sites feeds. I did years of work, I'm not suppyling everyone with my own money source.

Originally Posted by healthybloke

I wonder, how you make money with download pages alone and without any textual content..

One image, one descriptive sentence, one download link per page.

Don't focus on my exact content strategy (that's me, that's what I do).

The whole point of this thread is to show that being creative on a larger scale keeps me from worrying about a small 5 page worthless MFA site that no human would visit twice, getting my Adsense account banned.

Focus on your own creativity & how you can solve a popular problem. I did it, so anyone else can do it.

I see everyone following BS Adsense schemes, I have nothing to sell anyone in IM, so personally it doesn't really matter If anyone takes my Adsense advice. I would rather see everyone succeed with Adsense, but reality says that most will continue to follow the rehashed MFA BS, & be banned by Adsense sooner or later.

My sites started because I knew how to solve a problem. At first I didn't realize how many people wanted this product that I create, it was something that I took for granted because I had been creating the content for myself long before I discovered IM.

Everyone knows how to solve problems that other folks don't have a clue how to start.

Just an example (not my niche).

Look at a simple thing like setting up a Wordpress site, that simple task is extremely complicated for noobs. I've been there my first WP self hosted site was a nightmare trying to figure out what I should be doing.

Years later I can setup a fresh WP site in less than 10 min. including buying the domain. That info. is valuable to a noob, If it was in a step by step product/page.

A subject that targets self hosted Wordpress sites for noobs, is an easy & profitable niche, you can go in many directions If your site is high quality.

• Adsense
• Host affiliate
• Your own product (ebook, video tutorials, etc...)
• Free Downloadable content (internal links stuffed in the zip file (self promotion))
• Premium affiliate WP themes
• etc...

Everything above starts with quality content & repeat traffic. Anytime you have repeat traffic, you've struck gold, stick with the site & keep building quality content to feed the traffic, they'll return the favor many times over, I guarantee it.

MFA sites will never get repeat traffic because everyone knows they are junk sites. Traffic isn't stupid, they know what junk sites look like & they will bail ASAP.

[Juvv2096]

Why the hell should he show you his sites? Thats just ludicrous. He didnt work so hard on his sites for someone to scrap them and poach them.

What I would like to know more importantly, how many sites you actually have yourself that your manage to not have a job and live off?

[outwest]

Thanks Yukon for the post

for those of you who say, you didnt post your sites

uh yeah, You are a celebrity chef restaurant owner but you forgot to post your prize winning secret recipe...............how could you be so forgetful Yukon

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Juvv2096

What I would like to know more importantly, how many sites you actually have yourself that your manage to not have a job and live off?

I have 7 sites (all in the same niche), 3 sites are my most profitable & largest sites, average maybe 1k pages per each of the 3 large sites. The smaller sites are things like video tutorials (Youtube/Adsense), so I still earn from those videos also, just not as much as I do from my large sites.

I could have done without the smaller sites, I just wanted my 3 larger sites 100% focused on downloads only, nothing else. My traffic asked for the tutorials so I did that & posted on a separate site.

I'm very transparent with my niche traffic for how I create my content, they love it.

Even though I share a lot with my traffic (nothing IM related) in how I create content they still keep coming back, & no fresh competition. I think new competition is cautious because my sites are so established & have a lot of content & followers.

I'm not going to lie, that was a hell of a lot of work & seriously I never tried to grow those sites like they did. I kept getting traffic, I kept getting awesome earnings, so I kept pumping out the quality content over a year or so (almost non stop).

Then I got burnt out on the niche, I just went so long creating the same type of content that it started to feel like work, which it was a hobby when I first started.

I still go back & update the old money maker sites every now & then, just to stir things up for the traffic, & let them know the site is still active. Nowadays I post when I'm in the mood.

Adsense is currently my main income, but I'm just now getting serious about another type of product (non IM) that I'll be selling. This is the same situation I was in 5 years ago, it's starting out as something I would do for free just because it's like a hobby. Only this time I'm 99% sure my profits will dwarf Adsense. Still I have that Adsense on auto-pilot while I focus on my newer project & it still pays my bills.

Keep in mind I'm not moving away from creating additional Adsense income because it doesn't work (it does work very well). I just happened to find something more interesting to me & like I said will pay off very well for years to come. This new project is one of those things that you wouldn't think people would pay for, but they do, & don't have a problem paying.

Again guys, be creative, think for yourselves. Millions of people (noobs) would be very happy to know the things you know.

Focus on repeat traffic, you'll never regret it. Be your own guru.

[hamburglar]

You nailed it man. I wish people would print that and post it up somewhere. For me, when I search for something and see the MFA, I get so upset because I can't find any information.

Just 5 minutes I was looking into a hair care product and first page is all MFA with no sign of what I am looking for.

I started a big site as well (only 60 pages) but it gets a lot of traffic. The earnings suck though. But I love the experience. I am posting pictures now, making youtube videos, writing a book.

My youtube videos are getting amazing feedback from people. I have yet to create a product I can "hook" them but sticking around and building this site will be more fun/easier than building 10 - 15 MFA. I only look for authority websites to build.

Thank you Yukon, for all your guidance and help. See you at the top.

[Juvv2096]

Thats a great post. Very interesting.

Do you feel sort of vulrable because most of your income is from adsense at all? what would you do if your sites got banned / indexed or something like that and your income streadm from adsense stopped one day? Lets say, before you start your new venture.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by hamburglar

You nailed it man. I wish people would print that and post it up somewhere. For me, when I search for something and see the MFA, I get so upset because I can't find any information.

Just 5 minutes I was looking into a hair care product and first page is all MFA with no sign of what I am looking for.

I started a big site as well (only 60 pages) but it gets a lot of traffic. The earnings suck though. But I love the experience. I am posting pictures now, making youtube videos, writing a book.

My youtube videos are getting amazing feedback from people. I have yet to create a product I can "hook" them but sticking around and building this site will be more fun/easier than building 10 - 15 MFA. I only look for authority websites to build.

Thank you Yukon, for all your guidance and help. See you at the top.

That's what it's all about, enjoying what you do.

I gave up off-line work because I wanted to enjoy what I do, it's still work, the difference is I'm my own boss & I enjoy everything about what I'm doing.

My advice for creating your own product is get involved in very active niche forums, narrow it down to a single active forum & dominate a problem with your own solution.

Don't be afraid to help others for free, it pays off many times over because thousands of other possible buyers are watching you on the side lines. A lot of forum members are very quiet, they are still very interested in what you have to offer. Help them, & they'll help you.

[hamburglar]

Originally Posted by yukon

That's what it's all about, enjoying what you do.

I gave up off-line work because I wanted to enjoy what I do, it's still work, the difference is I'm my own boss & I enjoy everything about what I'm doing.

My advice for creating your own product is get involved in very active niche forums, narrow it down to a single active forum & dominate a problem with your own solution.

Don't be afraid to help others for free, it pays off many times over because thousands of other possible buyers are watching you on the side lines. A lot of forum members are very quiet, they are still very interested in what you have to offer. Help them, & they'll help you.

I hear ya man. I am still developing a back bone to determine if I CAN solve the problem. That is the only thing that stops me is this one fear that "I am not experienced enough" in that field. But I am facing this challenge head on by slowly creating free products i.e. youtube videos and audio series.

[arpitagarwal82]

Content is still the king.
There are other factors which help in rankings, but if you are offering content that is useful to site readers, google will eventually recognize your site.. period.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Juvv2096

Thats a great post. Very interesting.

Do you feel sort of vulrable because most of your income is from adsense at all? what would you do if your sites got banned / indexed or something like that and your income streadm from adsense stopped one day? Lets say, before you start your new venture.

Yeah, you never know when something might happen with IM income streams like Adsense.

I learned a long time ago that building an income safety net is important. I could easily go a full year with zero new income, but that didn't happen because of luck.

I'm very conservative about how I spend money. If I don't need something I won't buy it, If I can't pay cash for something I won't buy it.

I also never depend on Google for all of my traffic, I get a steady flow of traffic from niche forums. I was very active in the largest forum for my niche a few years back & they made me a Mod. for the sub-niche that my sites are in.

I also have email list to fall back on, & steady followers. The list still grow with little interaction on the sites. I could push the list to grow larger a lot faster, I just don't see a need right now & have other things I want to work on outside of this niche.

SEO is just extra money for my sites, it's not the main source of traffic.

I do think everyone should diversify money streams. I've been lazy about it, but I've recently found my 2nd IM calling & I'm working on creating future income streams.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by hamburglar

I hear ya man. I am still developing a back bone to determine if I CAN solve the problem. That is the only thing that stops me is this one fear that "I am not experienced enough" in that field. But I am facing this challenge head on by slowly creating free products i.e. youtube videos and audio series.

You might be surprised how much more you know about your subject than you realize.

Keep going with the free content, but make sure you have a way to make your traffic feel like their part of the site, even If it's a simple email optin form. I have a Google Friend Connect block in my sidebar, it's kinda funny, but traffic likes to see their thumbnail image in that sidebar. They want to be included in the site.

Nowadays I think I would lean towards a Facebook plugin to include my traffic in newer sites. Personally I don't like FB, but I know millions of other people do.

[Talen]

Excellent Yukon. I have been in adsense for 5 years as well and have only 5 sites but they are just like yours....large authority type sites.

Here is another clue for you guys pulling out your hair researching keywords with x amount of monthly views...if you build a site for a keyword that only gets 1600 views a month you aren't getting traffic and aren't making the money you could be.

Pick a keyword in a healthy niche such as Health, Wealth, Education and or Finance and then work your ass off building a site that actually answers questions or gives the information people are looking for.

The only problem is that this method is not quick and you have to be in it for the long haul and you have to work your ass off.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by arpitagarwal82

Content is still the king.
There are other factors which help in rankings, but if you are offering content that is useful to site readers, google will eventually recognize your site.. period.

Content is good, but I think it all starts with a solution to a problem.

Problem > Solution > Content > Traffic > Money

[StoneWilson]

Originally Posted by yukon

I do think everyone should diversify money streams.

That's right, don't put all your eggs in one basket is a golden rule. Build a Email list or facebook funpage or Twitter list is necessary for us. And I've found that more and more people starting building different websites target a same niche, I also made 2 websites targeted a same niche months ago, may be I should follow the strategy and see whether I can find more keywords for more different websites.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by StoneWilson

That's right, don't put all your eggs in one basket is a golden rule. Build a Email list or facebook funpage or Twitter list is necessary for us. And I've found that more and more people starting building different websites target a same niche, I also made 2 websites targeted a same niche months ago, may be I should follow the strategy and see whether I can find more keywords for more different websites.

I've done pretty good for myself by staying in the same niche.

I look at it like this, If I have multiple larger quality sites in the same exact niche, I can pass that traffic back & forth, with multiple testing all happening at the same time.

If the traffic doesn't buy/click on site-A, I can still get a 2nd or 3rd chance on site-B & site-C since it's all the same niche & traffic running similar content.

I've actually flooded my latest site with traffic on day #1 by linking on my Index page on the old sites. It's pretty cool to get instant targeted traffic like that for free.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Talen

Excellent Yukon. I have been in adsense for 5 years as well and have only 5 sites but they are just like yours....large authority type sites.

Here is another clue for you guys pulling out your hair researching keywords with x amount of monthly views...if you build a site for a keyword that only gets 1600 views a month you aren't getting traffic and aren't making the money you could be.

Pick a keyword in a healthy niche such as Health, Wealth, Education and or Finance and then work your ass off building a site that actually answers questions or gives the information people are looking for.

The only problem is that this method is not quick and you have to be in it for the long haul and you have to work your ass off.

Good job!

True, it takes a lot of work upfront, that's why I suggest stick with something you know, or something your extremely interested in learning, which is what I'm doing now.

Work hard today, relax for an extended time later & still earn an income.

I look at it like this, If you would do X for free, do it, then figure out a way to monetize it.

[arpitagarwal82]

Originally Posted by yukon

Content is good, but I think it all starts with a solution to a problem.

Problem > Solution > Content > Traffic > Money

Not every top ranked page provide solution to the problem or query searched.
Affiliate marketing would have been dead if there was free solution to every problem
especially those $47 ebooks.

[hamburglar]

Yukon,

You gave me a lot of inspiration man. I spent the last 8 hours producing my first piece of music on Ableton Live. I am gonna put it up on the forums in that niche to get feedback. I was very insecure at first but now I am pushing forward.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by yukon

You ever get tired of the sad pathetic "Google Adsense banned me for no reason" threads, I know I do?

I've been with Adsense for 5 years. I don't want to sound like some arrogant prick, but let me share a little secret for anyone new to Adsense.

I don't build MFA crap sites that nobody will like, I build larger quality sites.

I build quality email list on all of my Adsense sites. I build those list with Feedburner & "Google Friend Connect". I seriously think Google tracks these types of things (legit social patterns).

My advice is stop building lame 5 page MFA sites that no human would ever enjoy. My point here is be creative & that doesn't necessarily mean articles.

Find a problem that people need solved & give them the answer.

You guys that are stuck on articles & silly things like keyword density would be blown away If you ever seen how simple my sites are, & I make enough money from Adsense to not work a 9-5 job offline. Three of my larger sites don't have a single article, all hundreds of legal downloads that I personally created.

Without quality content & happy traffic your surely on a road of self destructive Adsense failure.

Two of my sites have been on auto-pilot for the most part, for a couple of years because I did a lot of consistent work up front (5 years ago). Now I simply collect my Adsense earnings & make sure my sites are always online & running smooth (10 min. work per day on the old sites).

Stop following the herd & start building real creative content solutions.

Your success is no doubt earned and impressive but I personally disagree with this "Get on my high horse" mentality. Adsense bans good hard working people with great sites all the time. Personally you may be 1 click bombing away from it yourself yet you're preaching like they ALL did something wrong. Many times Google plays judge and jury, using a robot as the decider and destroys peoples lives and living. Just because you feel that YOU do things right doesn't mean those who are banned didn't.

People have different strengths. Yours is creative thinking, content writing. Mine is being able to rank any site for any keyword. We play in two different types of games but neither is better then the other. Gaming Google is NOT BREAKING THE LAW like people would have you believe. Its like playing the stock market. You prefer a long term slow strategy and I prefer a big hit and run then repeat. I just don't get why the long term slow strategy guys feel that what they do is so much better.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Your success is no doubt earned and impressive but I personally disagree with this "Get on my high horse" mentality. Adsense bans good hard working people with great sites all the time. Personally you may be 1 click bombing away from it yourself yet you're preaching like they ALL did something wrong. Many times Google plays judge and jury, using a robot as the decider and destroys peoples lives and living. Just because you feel that YOU do things right doesn't mean those who are banned didn't.

People have different strengths. Yours is creative thinking, content writing. Mine is being able to rank any site for any keyword. We play in two different types of games but neither is better then the other. Gaming Google is NOT BREAKING THE LAW like people would have you believe. Its like playing the stock market. You prefer a long term slow strategy and I prefer a big hit and run then repeat. I just don't get why the long term slow strategy guys feel that what they do is so much better.

First you quoted me saying "I don't want to sound like some arrogant prick", so your high horse comment shows your not reading & your focused on something else.

Just because you feel that YOU do things right doesn't mean those who are banned didn't

Seriously?

I have 5 years with an active Adsense account that proves I'm doing something right. How many years do you think the average banned Adsense account was active? I would be surprised If most banned accounts were older than 1 year.

I'm not naive that I don't think my own account couldn't be banned, it's possible (anythings possible), but I doubt very much it will happen anytime soon.

You want to know what's different from my sites & banned sites?

I don't give a rats azz If I ever rank a page in the SERPs. I do rank plenty of pages (plan B), but my sites can easily survive from other free traffic sources & they have been for years.

I built my sites for traffic, I have consistent return traffic. That my friend is a real website, & ya damn straight I'm bragging on that one (has nothing to do with Adsense or Google)!

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by yukon

I have 7 sites (all in the same niche), 3 sites are my most profitable & largest sites, average maybe 1k pages per each of the 3 large sites. The smaller sites are things like video tutorials (Youtube/Adsense), so I still earn from those videos also, just not as much as I do from my large sites.

Be your own guru.

I downsized from 6 to 4. I don't know why people continue to build
a zillion sites just looking for the golden goose. The Peter Principle
is hard to combat. If one site makes a buck, maybe a million sites
will get me a million! (Okay, modified Peter Principle from the 1970's)

Paul

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by yukon

First you quoted me saying "I don't want to sound like some arrogant prick", so your high horse comment shows your not reading & your focused on something else.

Just because you write that you don't want to sound like an arrogant prick doesn't mean that you can then say whatever you want and it excuses the arrogance.

Ive had my adsense account since 2006 and by your standards I do everything wrong. I prefer to have sympathy for those who got screwed rather then brag about how ive been lucky to keep it. To each his own.

[RatRaceWatch]

Originally Posted by yukon

How many years do you think the average banned Adsense account was active? I would be surprised If most banned accounts were older than 1 year.

Close to 3 years, Banned Yesterday, talking about it in another thread, you are spewing utter nonsense. Surprised?!

Originally Posted by yukon

I'm not naive that I don't think my own account couldn't be banned

Really? But you seem to think:

Originally Posted by yukon

I doubt very much it will happen anytime soon.

You keep up with that mentality, but if you have done any artificial backlinking whatsoever, don't be surprised when your doubts fail you.

[johnben1444]

This Yukon guy probably run his ad sense account from a different server and computer specifically for white hat seo purpose like many of the silent men here does and operate blackhat seo from another PC and connection. This is giving him enough courage and impression that his account can not be shut down ever and come to think of it with just one image, one descriptive sentence, one download link per page and you think you will be there for ever when bigger and long standing adsense sites and accounts have been shut down. Majority of people affected are just not revealing.

Please when it happens (i don't pray so), don't be too ashamed to come here and tell us, we will sympathize with you.

MFA system is still workable and still working. The owner Seitzer still runs them comfortably and making over $300 per site that does not take up to 30mins to create just apply your sixth sense. Afterall, what is the difference between the yukon sites, MFA and the mega sites, just little difference.

We should also understand that different niches goes with different strategy. Have google ban any MFA site just for been MFA then we will like to hear right here.

Regards,

John Benjamin

[hcl_23]

Once anyone gets banned by adsense the tone changes. Everyone thinks they have done nothing wrong but they may have.

I think once you hit a good amount probably $100+ or rank anything that gets over 2000+ daily searches your site/adsense account can go anytime.

But some people just don't understand unless their adsense account is banned or site de indexed. Plain and simple.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Just because you write that you don't want to sound like an arrogant prick doesn't mean that you can then say whatever you want and it excuses the arrogance.

Ive had my adsense account since 2006 and by your standards I do everything wrong. I prefer to have sympathy for those who got screwed rather then brag about how ive been lucky to keep it. To each his own.

Exactly, to each his own.

I don't have sympathy for schemers (MFA) & people that get banned because they don't have time to follow rules. If they were banned they didn't follow the TOS, simple as that.

Everyone that gets banned starts a new thread, cries a bit then moves on.

I'm posting to show the other side of BS MFA sites so that new people to Adsense see that the drama most times is created by the individuals that banned themselves.

Don't have time to create a real site? Can't be creative? Get a job at McDonalds.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

Close to 3 years, Banned Yesterday, talking about it in another thread, you are spewing utter nonsense. Surprised?!



Really? But you seem to think:



You keep up with that mentality, but if you have done any artificial backlinking whatsoever, don't be surprised when your doubts fail you.

I understand you've been banned from Adsense.

Let me ask you this.

What percentage of your Adsense traffic was repeat traffic?

I'm sure we both know the answer to that one (were they MFA?).

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by yukon

Exactly, to each his own.

I don't have sympathy for schemers (MFA) & people that get banned because they don't have time to follow rules. If they were banned they didn't follow the TOS, simple as that.

Everyone that gets banned starts a new thread, cries a bit then moves on.

I'm posting to show the other side of BS MFA sites so that new people to Adsense see that the drama most times is created by the individuals that banned themselves.

Don't have time to create a real site? Can't be creative? Get a job at McDonalds.

Sure but your ignorance is in the fact that you don't realize that the TOS states that Google can close your account at any time for any reason. So many people do follow the TOS and get banned.

And your last statement verifies your "high horse" mentality.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by johnben1444

This Yukon guy probably run his ad sense account from a different server and computer specifically for white hat seo purpose like many of the silent men here does and operate BlueFart seo from another PC and connection. This is giving him enough courage and impression that his account can not be shut down ever and come to think of it with just one image, one descriptive sentence, one download link per page and you think you will be there for ever when bigger and long standing adsense sites and accounts have been shut down. Majority of people affected are just not revealing.

Please when it happens (i don't pray so), don't be too ashamed to come here and tell us, we will sympathize with you.

MFA system is still workable and still working. The owner Seitzer still runs them comfortably and making over $300 per site that does not take up to 30mins to create just apply your sixth sense. Afterall, what is the difference between the yukon sites, MFA and the mega sites, just little difference.

We should also understand that different niches goes with different strategy. Have google ban any MFA site just for been MFA then we will like to hear right here.

Regards,

John Benjamin

I don't do black hat on my Adsense sites, If you read the thread you might have noticed that already.

[mojo13]

Originally Posted by yukon

Don't have time to create a real site? Can't be creative? Get a job at McDonalds.

Dude, take a pill.. You are making an *** of yourself.

I made fun of people working at Mcdonalds when I was like 8 years old..

[RatRaceWatch]

Originally Posted by yukon

I understand you've been banned from Adsense.

Let me ask you this.

What percentage of your Adsense traffic was repeat traffic?

I'm sure we both know the answer to that one (were they MFA?).

That's a funny question you ask because not all sites are designed to push for repeat traffic.

Think about a website that answers a question, once you have the answer, you have the answer, there's nothing more to it.

MFA is a very debatable term, our definitions may be very different.

My website was designed to provide quality information and I set up a monetization ad pattern that was within the regulations set by google, simple as that.

I understand where you are trying to come from here, but your lumping everything into one category. Even if a website has 15 posts, that doesn't make it a MFA, more is not always better.

As for your post about not doing any black hat link building. I think the idea of any artificial link building might as well be considered black hat since it is deemed against googles guidelines.

Are you telling me you don't build any links whatsoever to your site? I find that hard to believe... and if you do, then you are just as prone to getting banned as anyone else.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Sure but your ignorance is in the fact that you don't realize that the TOS states that Google can close your account at any time for any reason. So many people do follow the TOS and get banned.

And your last statement verifies your "high horse" mentality.

That's total BS, we both know that (right?).

My high horse is I'm better than MFA, because I use my head & create sites that people enjoy, repeat traffic over the years proves that.

You want a high horse, there ya go.

It's very obvious which comments in this thread have been banned by Adsense. If your no longer running Adsense, why are are you in an Adsense thread?

Anyone that needs a shoulder to cry on about their Adsense account being banned, sorry, you won't find that shoulder here.

I have to wade through the hundreds of threads crying about Adsense, surely you can appreciate a single thread that is about being smarter than following the herd (MFA)?

[yukon]

Originally Posted by mojo13

Dude, take a pill.. You are making an *** of yourself.

I made fun of people working at Mcdonalds when I was like 8 years old..

Lol, my Adsense earnings begs to differ.

The guys crying they were banned are making an azz out of themeselves.

I'm proud as hell about my sites.

Anyone that can't build a quality site, do eveyone else a favor, hit your browsers back button.

[bitriot]

I would just like to point out that you *can* have MFA sites that are helpful to people. I have a handful of 3-5 page MFA type sites where I spent $5 per 100 words on 1000 word articles.

The content is excellent and is helpful to those searching for it. That I optimize the site for adsense doesn't change this fact.

[RatRaceWatch]

Continuing to act like a child with your responses doesn't say much for your reputation. People are on this thread because someone is spreading nonsense about adsense and they deserve to know the truth.

Originally Posted by yukon

That's total BS, we both know that (right?).

My high horse is I'm better than MFA, because I use my head & create sites that people enjoy, repeat traffic over the years proves that.

You want a high horse, there ya go.

It's very obvious which comments in this thread have been banned by Adsense. If your no longer running Adsense, why are are you in an Adsense thread?

Anyone that needs a shoulder to cry on about their Adsense account being banned, sorry, you won't find that shoulder here.

I have to wade through the hundreds of threads crying about Adsense, surely you can appreciate a single thread that is about being smarter than following the herd (MFA)?

[yukon]

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

That's a funny question you ask because not all sites are designed to push for repeat traffic.

Think about a website that answers a question, once you have the answer, you have the answer, there's nothing more to it.

MFA is a very debatable term, our definitions may be very different.

My website was designed to provide quality information and I set up a monetization ad pattern that was within the regulations set by google, simple as that.

I understand where you are trying to come from here, but your lumping everything into one category. Even if a website has 15 posts, that doesn't make it a MFA, more is not always better.

As for your post about not doing any black hat link building. I think the idea of any artificial link building might as well be considered black hat since it is deemed against googles guidelines.

Are you telling me you don't build any links whatsoever to your site? I find that hard to believe... and if you do, then you are just as prone to getting banned as anyone else.

I'm telling you that at least 75% of my external backlinks are built by my traffic (not me).

I belong to a few niche forums that I still post free content on every now & then.

I have niche competition linking to me.

I have niche competition paying me for promoting their products offline via links in zip files.

I have at least 3+ million downloads that all include links on my traffics desktop inside of the free content that they are downloading. Keep in mind the niche I'm in is pretty small, when I say small think something like a cycling sub-niche, so I'm getting a large chunk of that niche traffic from word of mouth.

I do not spam my downloads, I run a single URL that I can control via my site (single web page) & promote anything related to my niche. So I control the link inside that zip file (free useful content) years from now & it's always up to date.

As far as Google, they see my repeat traffic manually searching to my site from the traffics browser.

That's not black hat, that's creative self promotion.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by yukon

I'm telling you that at least 75% of my external backlinks are built by my traffic (not me).

I belong to a few niche forums that I still post free content on every now & then.

I have niche competition linking to me.

I have niche competition paying me for promoting their products offline via links in zip files.

I have at least 3+ million downloads that all include links on my traffics desktop inside of the free content that they are downloading. Keep in mind the niche I'm in is pretty small, when I say small think something like a cycling sub-niche, so I'm getting a large chunk of that niche traffic from word of mouth.

I do not spam my downloads, I run a single URL that I can control via my site (single web page) & promote anything related to my niche. So I control the link inside that zip file (free useful content) years from now & it's always up to date.

As far as Google, they see my repeat traffic manualiy searching to my site from the traffics browser.

That's not black hat, that's creative self promotion.

I just don't get why you think thats so much better then anyone else? Because Matt Cutts would be proud of you? Because you put in about 1 million times more work then I had to in order to get it going and it probably took you years to make a living off of it. Get over yourself. Good for you, you have a few sites in a niche with no competition that other people like.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

Are you telling me you don't build any links whatsoever to your site? I find that hard to believe... and if you do, then you are just as prone to getting banned as anyone else.

I won't get into this argument regarding adsense as the years have taught me never to say never just because something hasn't happened to me (and no I am not talking adsense because I've always had something better I wanted to promote than depending just on Google to pay me)

That said posts like this convince me that I might need to do ahead and do that thread on funnel sites because Ratrace most people are just not doing linkbuilding right post Panda. Call it funnel sites like I do, feeder sites or networks theres no reason to point backlinks at your good site even should you choose to link spam.

[lovboa]

I guess some people are actually proud of their MFA sites that they are still ranking. But these are the same people sweating and panicking each time a new algorithm change comes around.

[hamburglar]

Both methods are strategies to earn income. I don't think there is one concrete answer. However, MAJORITY of the adsense world (based on the threads) revolve around quick MFA turnaround sites. Also, based on the last panda update, Google prefers authority sites. I am basing this from many ebooks that have changed their perspective from MFA to Authority models including Xfactor. John Xfactor himself in his first book wrote "Create valuable content and keep building your sites".

So to each its own. I am so happy to see a thread that actually focuses on providing great value and getting creative.

Create videos, audio recordings, music, posters and email newsletters. The list is endless. But this is what hard work is about.

[outwest]

I am not such a 5 yr Adsense expert to really put my 2 cents on the experience side

All I can say is just on basic site building advice, especially site STRUCTURE advice (silo) Yukon is a stand up guy, extremely helpful and not arrogant at all. He just states his mind forcefully some times

for all of you MFA guys who are offended. Man up learn to realize not everyone has to agree with you.

Thanks Yukon for all your helpful threads and Advice

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

I just don't get why you think thats so much better then anyone else? Because Matt Cutts would be proud of you? Because you put in about 1 million times more work then I had to in order to get it going and it probably took you years to make a living off of it. Get over yourself. Good for you, you have a few sites in a niche with no competition that other people like.

It's not better than everyone elses strategy, but from the type of things I see going on in most IM forums trying to scheme Adsense, it's better long term.

For the record I've never followed Matt C., If you don't believe that look at some of my older forum comments. The guy is a corporate puppet. I'm 99% sure he makes zero decisions, he's the middle man between Google & the public. He speaks when they tell him to speak. Besides Adsense/Google I can't stand people like that, but hey I suppose he has his reasons ($$).

Anyways...

Yes, it did take me years to build, but you know what, those sites will keep earning me $$ for many years to come. That was my goal.

The niche is semi small, but what I did was focus on driving traffic to my sites by offering free content, works every single time. My competition has never figured out that even though the traffic will download free content, they will also buy premium content.

Which I don't understand my #1 competition because I've sent him a $hit load of traffic this year & I know exactly what they bought from my competition because the guy is transparent as heck with his data, plus I have the direct deposits in my bank account to know his data is legit. Our deal was I get 25% of all sales on his site from my traffic. I'm sure more traffic flows in/out of my sites compared to the competitions site.

He's a good guy, I just don't think he knows how to drive traffic very well. I've also used his data that I still have access to & created my own premium download package of files. I took the highest amount of sales category I made on his site, with my traffic & created a similar product, doesn't look anything like his product but it's similar. I'm still selling that for $19 with 100% profit, & running Adsense at the same time.

My point is everyone loves something free (everyone). Free content will get targeted traffic on your landing page. Give them a solution & they'll keep coming back for more. Get them hooked on your site & content (free & paid).

[outwest]

Yukon can you comment more on free things to give away, and how? or I should say where?

[brittlesnc]

Hey Yukon,

Thanks for the post. Still patiently waiting for the silo package you're putting together or has that been postponed?

Also, something that I think would be beneficial for people new to Adsense and veterans alike would be for someone to actually post the Adsense TOS and break it down for people who don't exactly understand what it says.

I've had my Adsense account for about 2 years and honestly I've only read the TOS a few times and still don't fully understand the TOS...as embarrassing as that is to admit.

Might be a big request and maybe a silly 1 but I think that would finally lay the issue to rest (maybe lol)...having someone experienced and well-versed with Adsense to break down what is in the TOS and what it actually means.

Just my 2 cents.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by hamburglar

Both methods are strategies to earn income. I don't think there is one concrete answer. However, MAJORITY of the adsense world (based on the threads) revolve around quick MFA turnaround sites. Also, based on the last panda update, Google prefers authority sites. I am basing this from many ebooks that have changed their perspective from MFA to Authority models including Xfactor. John Xfactor himself in his first book wrote "Create valuable content and keep building your sites".

So to each its own. I am so happy to see a thread that actually focuses on providing great value and getting creative.

Create videos, audio recordings, music, posters and email newsletters. The list is endless. But this is what hard work is about.

That's what I was trying to point out to begin with.

I would much rather see folks thinking for themselves & being creative in how they manage traffic than to wade through countless rehashed threads trying to game something (Adsense or whatever).

I know a lot of people new to IM think they need to start by following some niche guru. Guys it shouldn't be like that, seriously.

My latest IM project that I'm sure will dwarf my Adsense earnings is a new niche for me, but guess what it's still a downloadable product & I will use a lot of the things that made my Adsense sites successful for self promotion in the new niche.

I will give away a stripped down version of my payed product for free (BINGO free traffic), then I'll show them why the payed product is better & worth buying.

Find a problem > Create a solution > Free giveaway > Funnel Targeted Traffic > $$

It's the same technique as I've been running for the last few years. I will start out with 100% free traffic (targeted niche forums, etc..), then after a month or so I'll start on plan-B traffic, which is seo.

BTW, this new niche is very competitive. But that's not important, what's important is I have a way to drive traffic. If I have 10% buyers from my free giveaway traffic, I'll be grinning ear to ear since it's a $25 product (keeping it affordable for the masses).

Keep in mind that free content will start spreading on it's own, If you self promote from inside the free content, you'll have it wooped.

[IMSince2003]

I really enjoyed this discussion. I have my own Adsense account since 2003 without a ban. One of my first earners was a single page site. I built it and traffic came. Then I added Adsense in 2003 and asked people to click on the ads The Adsense team sent me a polite email asking that I not tell people to click on the ads. I fixed it and the rest is history. My earnings have steadily increased year after year. I don't do spammy niches, I don't do one page sites (except my first site which was a how-to site that described the whole process in one page!). I don't send spammy traffic, I just play by the rules and so far, so good.

[IMSince2003]

And yes, I agree, it's SO MUCH better to give your site visitors a reason to come back and build a community. Repeat traffic is the way! To be honest, I don't know of many reasons for people to come back to a site about horizontal LCD TV mounts! Just my own perspective. And yes, I tried it the other way too. At one time, I had over 2,500 sites. The domain renewal fees were INSANE! It's much better to consolidate and work on the bigger earners.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by outwest

Yukon can you comment more on free things to give away, and how? or I should say where?

Sure, but knowing how to spot a sub-niche that has a few common problems that can be monetized would benefit you more. Notice I said sub-niche, because you don't have to know everything in the world for a complete niche.

For example, say I was into cycling (I've used that before in other threads, I'll do it again ).

My hobby is cycling but what I'm really interested in is off-road mountain bikes, thousands of people are involved in this niche, but let's dig deeper than that, dominate & possibly create our own niche.

I live in the United States, my hobby is off-road mountain bikes. The US has 50 states with national & state public cycling trails.

Problem:
I have a mountain bike & I'm trying to find places to ride that are fun & legal, no trespassing. I really need something with GPS points.

Solution:
Create a new site for mountain bike trails. Each of the 50 States has it's own page on the site. Each page includes every single possible public trail per individual state.


Free Giveaway:
Each individual trail has it's own Free downloadable pdf inside a zipped folder.

The zipped folder is very important, because that is future repeat traffic (internet shortcut back to your sites money page).

It's far easier to get repeat traffic than to bring in 100% new traffic.


Funnel traffic:
In this example, the free content would be a pdf file, which is a good thing since you can self promote with hyperlinks inside the pdf.

Income:
If you get clever about your free product (pdf maps) you will purposely not include GPS coordinates.

The same map with GPS coordinates would be the premium product.



Think about it. The traffic has a very detailed map for free, for some cool off road trails that they won't be trespassing on.

But wait!

Ahh... that clever late night infomercial one liner.

What would make this off road map way better is some GPS coordinates. It just so happens we have that for sale!

Buy a single GPS map for $1.97, a full state map package for $9.97, or the complete 50 state set for only $19.97.

That's a business waiting to happen!


It doesn't stop with the maps!

We brought traffic in the front door via any & all mountain bike forums by dominating a single sub-niche.

If you learn anything from this, learn this one thing (seriously)!

Start your forum thread on the free forum & give the maps away for free (not the premium product) directly on the niche forum, your goal is to build an authority thread & this is very easy, hear me out.

When you first start you have no website (trust me on this), your goal is building trust & being very helpful for free.

Start with a single US state (your state), & post those free maps on the forum thread stick with a single state for right now. Out of state mountain bikers are watching the thread, they want a map for their own state, they'll start requesting maps from you.

Once the request start rolling in start building the site & first create pages for the existing maps that are hosted on the forum, once the site is brought up to date with existing maps, go back to the forum take a few more request with links pointing at the new map page on your site & repeat...

Remember this is not a scheme, this is building trust, this is building repeat traffic. That guy that has an Illinois map is heading to northern Michigan on his camping vacation next summer (awesome state trail system btw), he will need another map, rinse repeat...

I could go on all day with this mountain bike example, like Amazon, they sell low end mountain bikes ($300), might return a nice affliate check along with your own product.

If your running Adsense, guess what, the pages are 100% optimized per state travel, which equals vacation Ads on Adsense. I'm sure Adsense vacation Ads have a nice CPC.

Want to keep upselling?

Remember the vacation guy, there are millions of others just like him, they need someplace to sleep when they go on their vacation with their bikes, that's a new premium ebook to sell, campgrounds & hotel list packaged with GPS bike maps.

Guess what, 1 year later you have 1+ million zip files & pdfs on desktop PCs all over the USA that all point back to a single sales page (your sales page).

Repeat traffic ROCKS, & it all started with a simple solution to a real problem.