Can Google Take Finalized Earnings Of Over $1800

[RatRaceWatch]

Oh wow, I never thought I would see the day of this.

One of my websites that had a very low bounce rate, all of the requirements set by google, it was a big investment for me, time, effort, money, etc. received a message a couple weeks ago saying ad serving had been disabled.

The message was vague and didn't make any sense, i posted about this in a previous thread.

My finalized earnings for november was like 1880. Hence those earnings were finalized. And I had like 400ish for this month because the ad serving was disabled on my main site.

I sent in an appeal to google, trying to be a good publisher, and fix the situation that they gave me a very vague response to.

I just checked my email, and literally a few minutes ago it says my google account is disabled for invalid click activity.

Now I'm not going to get into an argument with anybody about clicking ads, because that's something I would never do, or encourage anyone to do.

My beef right now is, did they just seriously take away over 1800 dollars finalized earnings?! Thank god I have a screen shot, I dont care about the estimate, it's the fact that is finalzed.

My problem is, I kept their ads on my site, where I could have put other stuff, and there is a trust there when they say those earnings are finalized.

Is there any fight here guys with them? I also have a screenshot of the earnings.

Thanks,

Very frustrated....

[BigNorm]

It's gone, you can try to appeal again and again but if they say it's over, it's over. Unfortunately Google has the right to disable any account they feel is a threat to their advertisers without recourse to the publisher.

To be honest, Google in the past year has gone from a tool for users to being a monopoly with it's own interests at heart. Especially with the recent increase of how their search results weight heavily in favor or paid advertisers, related searches then Google shopping before you even see the organic searches for commercial searches.

I wish I could say Bing and Yahoo are going to be able to slip in the back door and take a lions share of this traffic away from Google, but their always trying to catch up to Google instead of being new an inventive.

[TolyZ]

I hate google. I'm really thinking about creating a site like googlesucks.com or fckgoogle.com lol

[paulgl]

You signed up for adsense. The TOS when signing up
says they can take the money if they find you broke
the rules. If you didn't want to agree to this, you
should not have signed up.

Getting banned sucks, but then, breaking the rules sucks
big time to them.

They will pay you what they figure out is legit. If it's
all legit, they will pay. But they do reserve the right
to not pay, figuring you have been bad for their service
and they don't owe you a thing.

Too bad this forum is just getting filled with people who
get their adsense banned.

It's actually quite easy to keep it.

Paul

[RatRaceWatch]

Ok Paul that is a bunch of BS, and I broke no rules according to their policy. I read it very well, and if you want to sit on your high horse and assume what happened go right ahead.

As for the people that are interested in adsense, this is what I have learned, and let this be a fair warning and lesson for everyone.

Finalized earnings doesn't mean ****. Google would rather sit on your site to the last minute before you get your finalized earnings, even though you were paid the last month, and take it all away because as the person above posted, they are a monopoly abusing their power.

I am disgusted by google, and what makes the situation worse is they also control the search engines and youtube. I've got to do some serious brainstorming today, as the system is just a complete mess.

I knew from the beginning this was not going to be easy, I just let it slide through my mind how corrupt google is.

The biggest problem with the internet is you pretty much have to game the system to get to the top of the search engines. Yet that is a no no with google.... what a joke.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

The biggest problem with the internet is you pretty much have to game the system to get to the top of the search engines. Yet that is a no no with google.... what a joke.

You nailed it right on the head. Anyone who has made money online for awhile knows that the only true strategy is to make money now. Things change too rapidly to attempt a long term business plan based on some other companies whim.

I am very sorry to hear about your account. But let me try and brighten your day a bit. Adsense is strict and anyone with an account constantly has to follow their rules and be worried about this or that. You are FREE now! Go find some CPA offers and put them right under the main page title. BAM!!! Not wrapped around some text… just big and fat, SMACK right there to be clicked on. Not breaking anyone's TOS anymore. Go put another offer right in the sweet spot in the top left corner of another site. Ya know that spot you were worried if you should because adsense might ban you.

Now start looking at CPA (offervault should be your new best friend), Amazon, 3rd party affiliates. Build a few sites and rank the $h&! out of them with no worry that your spammy links may ban your adsense account.

I use Adsense as my main income only because its how I learned IM. I make a good living with it so ive stuck with it but in my dabblings with CPA and Amazon, its all just as easy once you learn the system.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

Ok Paul that is a bunch of BS, and I broke no rules according to their policy. I read it very well, and if you want to sit on your high horse and assume what happened go right ahead.

They are not a monopoly. You had a choice.

I meant no offense and tried to keep it clean. But,
others had better live and learn.

Many people do not know all TOS. They make assumptions.

There are many TOS that fly under the radar because people
think they just don't matter.

Bounce rate has nothing to do with any TOS. Even making that
statement means you really do not know much about TOS.

I could list 100 items of TOS that people do not feel the need to get close
to.

Paul

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by paulgl

I could list 100 items of TOS that people do not feel the need to get close
to.

Paul

Please do! I am curious what you feel people are missing. IMO you can follow the TOS 100% and Google can still ban you. Actually I think that might be stated in the TOS.

[Whos That Guru]

Paul, Google DOES ban honest publishers that have NEVER broke a single rule, for absolutely no reason at all. Not sure why, but they do.

I was with them for 3 years, never had any holds, any warnings, no problems at all. NEVER broke any of their terms. If I had, why would they pay me for 3 years without any problems?

And I didn't make any changes to my site when they banned me. Everything was exactly the same as it was for the past 3 years, which they had no problems with.

I made payout every time. But one day I went to check my earnings, and I was banned.

Then to make it worse, they denied my appeal almost immediately after I sent it.

Literally 2 minutes after sending my appeal, I got a reply saying my appeal had been denied.

I'm willing to bet $ they didnt even READ what I had said.

So yeah, just stop.. having a high post count doesnt give you the right to just spew a bunch of crap to everybody.

You must have a very small mindset if you wont even CONSIDER the possibility that maybe.. JUST MAYBE Google really does screw over honest publishers.

Because trust me, they DO.

It's actually quite easy to keep it.

It sure is. DONT USE IT. LOL

Now, to the OP.. sorry man, but that 1800 is probably long gone. Let us know how it turns out though, you never know..

From here out, change those Adsense spots over to CPA banners/affiliate banners.

If you had 1800+ in earnings with Adsense, you will REALLY make a killing with CPA and affiliate marketing.

I recommend Peerfly & Maxbounty for CPA if you have never been with a CPA network before. They accept pretty much everyone. Just be honest with your application.

[RatRaceWatch]

Originally Posted by paulgl

They are not a monopoly. You had a choice.

Yes Paul, they are a monopoly in regards to certain critical aspects of the internet, please don't tell me I have to educate you on what a monopoly is.

Originally Posted by paulgl

I meant no offense and tried to keep it clean. But,
others had better live and learn.

You were actually very offensive in what you said, so you failed at your so-called intentions.

Originally Posted by paulgl

Many people do not know all TOS. They make assumptions.

Not going to argue with that, but thats not the case in my situation, are you trying to make an "assumption" about what I read?

Originally Posted by paulgl

There are many TOS that fly under the radar because people
think they just don't matter.

Bounce rate has nothing to do with any TOS. Even making that
statement means you really do not know much about TOS.

Another offensive statement and another "assumption" on your part. I know that the bounce rate is not listed in the TOS, but if you read the TOS and understand that they use very vague languages, that could be tied to one of their very vague sets of criteria for sites.

Originally Posted by paulgl

I could list 100 items of TOS that people do not feel the need to get close.

By all means please do. I would really like to find the one that I violated :0.
to. As for your condescending demeanor, and your assumptions, you can only fill in the blank _______ for my response to that.

I came here to understand, warn others, and recollect myself. Not listen to someone who has completely skewed the situation.

I would like to personally thank the others for your responses. The internet marketing game is very tricky, and I wish google had been a little bit more honest.

My hands are tied because of their agreement which pretty much covers their asses in every shape and form, and I regret hoping they would do the right thing with finalized earnings, and working with a publisher that was more than willing to correct anything they deemed unworthy.

As I stated earlier, my biggest issue is figuring out the next step. Because we have to game the system to have a fighting chance, it's hard to figure out whether I should build a huge authority site, or continue on in hopes that the next step isn't a deindex nightmare.

I'm also wondering if I should step away from google analytics for the rest of my sites, or even take the current ones off? Any thoughts anyone?

Thanks,

Ryan

[hcl_23]

So what are the choices? This is monopoly, plain and simple. If there were 2-3 more strong competitors they would have not doing this. Google says that the money will be refunded to advertisers? Has anyone ever received a refund??

Originally Posted by paulgl

They are not a monopoly. You had a choice.
Paul

[mosthost]

This story is very familiar to others I know to be true. When you add up all the money that Google just keeps from incidents like this, it has to add up!

[Nero Arcnumé]

I understand it must suck to lose your Adsense account and the money you had. But there are other ways to earn money on the internet. Those are your choices. Signing up with Adsense as a means of monetization makes you susceptible to bans from Google. It sucks that you won't get a detailed description but that's what it is, on a take it or leave it basis.

There is no monopoly on making money online, there is no monopoly on making money with ad networks, there is no monopoly on search engines, there is no monopoly on getting traffic to websites. Being the market leader, that's a different story.

Again, I'm sure it's a horrible feeling that you're experiencing, but now the road to CPA and other monetization options is completely open.

[TolyZ]

Originally Posted by hcl_23

Google says that the money will be refunded to advertisers? Has anyone ever received a refund??

This what actually pissing me off about Google. They "say" that the money will be refunded, but I'm 99% sure no one gets refunded. Fking google ... hate them.

[lovboa]

Theres a common trend here.

People who get banned always have something to say. It's never their fault.

[RatRaceWatch]

Originally Posted by lovboa

Theres a common trend here.

People who get banned always have something to say. It's never their fault.

Gimme a break, you have no idea what you're talking about. There is a huge difference between people that are trying to defraud the advertisers and people that are fine with appeasing google.

If you want to discuss the facts go right ahead, but this shallow comment has no room here.

[murrc2]

In all fairness, why would Google who are worth Billions of $ want to keep your 1880? If your site was "naturally" earning that amount monthy, then in the long run it is more beneficial to them. If you weren't ( not saying you did anything wrong ) Then they have to take it and ban you in order to keep their customer happy in the long run.

[lovboa]

I'd love to see somebody make a thread like "Google Banned Me! But Hey...I deserved it"

Google doesn't tell people the specific reason for banning, but if they did, we probably wouldn't have these sympathy threads anymore.

[murrc2]

Originally Posted by lovboa

I'd love to see somebody make a thread like "Google Banned Me! But Hey...I deserved it"

Google doesn't tell people the specific reason for banning, but if they did, we probably wouldn't have these sympathy threads anymore.

Agreed! As I mentioned above, such a big company like big G do not need 1880 once off. IF people are earning it correctly, its more profitable to google, seeing as they get a huge percentage before you get your share.

[outwest]

Thats one of the main reasons why that Even though I try to make good money from Adsense I also have other sites other products which have nothing to do with Adsense

If you are dependent on Adsense 90 -100 % then google bans your account, then you are sht out of luck

[Oranges]

Originally Posted by paulgl

They are not a monopoly. You had a choice.

I meant no offense and tried to keep it clean. But,
others had better live and learn.

Many people do not know all TOS. They make assumptions.

There are many TOS that fly under the radar because people
think they just don't matter.

Bounce rate has nothing to do with any TOS. Even making that
statement means you really do not know much about TOS.

I could list 100 items of TOS that people do not feel the need to get close
to.

Paul

BS!
A 3rd Party CAN Get You Banned From AdSense - Blogs - Digital Point Forums
Banned him, then apologized and swallowed back their automated BS emails.
This is monopoly and it stinks.

[outwest]

Just because you never clicked on your own ads doesnt mean some competitor didnt come in and do it, (click bomb you)

does google have safeguards against this? I dont think so

[stelweb]

you just have to pick up the pieces and move on. I lost about 15000 dollars because of the ban. I had a previously disabled account and hence, banned. Take this in your stride and move on. Really sorry for the loss.