Different Domains, Same IP - backlinks?

[TolyZ]

Hey guys,
Quick question. If you have 10 PR5 and 10 PR4 web sites, different niches, different domains, but hosted on the same server. Will backlinks from those domains have any effect?
I honestly haven't dealt with anything like that yet. Half of the people tell me yes, half of the people tell me no. Your opinions?

[I webs design]

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Hey guys,
Quick question. If you have 10 PR5 and 10 PR4 web sites, different niches, different domains, but hosted on the same server. Will backlinks from those domains have any effect?
I honestly haven't dealt with anything like that yet. Half of the people tell me yes, half of the people tell me no. Your opinions?

You might get some link juice from the domains, but since they are on the same IP address you won't get the full juice from them or it even could turn around to haunt you as google might view this negatively and disregard your links.

P.S. If the site you plan on getting the links for is also on the same IP then I definitely wouldn't do it.

Have you thought about selling the links to others?

[Brendan Mace]

I would really like to know about this as well. How many diverse ip addresses do you need. Do you need a separate ip address from every single incoming source?

[webskills]

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Hey guys,
If you have 10 PR5 and 10 PR4 web sites, different niches, different domains, but hosted on the same server. Will backlinks from those domains have any effect?

It depends on how you use them.

For example, if you had 20 other sites* (hosted on different servers) that you wish to promote in different niches, and the high PR blog network (which you described above) are all different niches, you could potentially create a backlink on one high PR site to one of the sites* as part of your backlinking strategy.

Originally Posted by co2

I would really like to know about this as well. How many diverse ip addresses do you need. Do you need a separate ip address from every single incoming source?

Not necessarily, but if you had, say 3 links coming from a high authority site's home page, only the first would count.

If you were creating a high PR blog network, to promote just one site, then each blog in that network would need to be hosted on a separate C Class IP address, preferably with private WhoIs. If you had a large network of over a 100 sites, then this should be spread over several domain registrars and hosts.

[dadamson]

If you are direct linking them to your site then no. (Especially when you target site is ALSO on the same IP server).

To actually get some decent rankings from backlinks from your domains you should buy some SEO hosting (unique c-class IP hosting) so that your backlinks come from different sites which appear to be individually owned.

Again, care must be taken when using this method as you do not want to jepardise your network and 'out' it to the big G

[Lucas Becker]

There is a chance Google will identify your sites are all on the same IP address and that they all link to one domain, in this case, it will treat all the same as one big site, so less PR will passed on.

[chandan_dutta]

>> Will backlinks from those domains have any effect

No, they won't have.

To get the most benefit you need to purchase SEO hosting. You need backlinks from unique Class IP and that is what SEO hosting provides.

[DeskCoder]

How do I know if my sites are on different C-class IPs? I have dreamhost, and all my domains have different IPs ... is that ok?

And what about 2 sites on the same IP, but different IP than the site it links to ... are the links from the 2 sites ok, or should remove links from one site?

[chandan_dutta]

>>How do I know if my sites are on different C-class IPs

Try Find IP address - Check IP Address - Test Class C IP Address and you can see whether they are from different Class C IP or not.

>> and all my domains have different IPs ... is that ok?

Yeah, this looks fine since they have different IP. But still Class C IP is more valuable and 2 different IP may not have 2 different Class C IP. You can find the difference if you do a quick search in Google. But anyway you will get good link power because of Unique IP. But make sure to have Private Name server for each domains and enable privacy.

>> And what about 2 sites on the same IP, but different IP than the site it links to ... are the links from the 2 sites ok, or should remove links from one site?

Sorry, did not get clearly what you are asking...

[rkagan]

Actually what could happen is if all of the sites are linked together and are on the same server (same IP or as in shared hosting possible multiple IPs) then your site could get deindexed by google

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Hey guys,
Quick question. If you have 10 PR5 and 10 PR4 web sites, different niches, different domains, but hosted on the same server. Will backlinks from those domains have any effect?
I honestly haven't dealt with anything like that yet. Half of the people tell me yes, half of the people tell me no. Your opinions?

Theres always a debate on this and probably always will be because Google is not likely to give a straight answer. However inmy book it makes no sense to have them on the same server. In my opinion it would have a negative effect but beyond that having these domains are valuable and putting them all on one server risks them all if there is a problem -deindexing, downtime, hacking etc.

[TolyZ]

Thank you! I was pretty sure it would have negative effect.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Theres always a debate on this and probably always will be because Google is not likely to give a straight answer. However inmy book it makes no sense to have them on the same server. In my opinion it would have a negative effect but beyond that having these domains are valuable and putting them all on one server risks them all if there is a problem -deindexing, downtime, hacking etc.

Mike, the best SEO hosting providers allow you to choose from several servers to host your domains on. This includes servers throughout the States and the world thus negating the valid concerns you have.

[Melissa82]

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Thank you! I was pretty sure it would have negative effect.

I think you should research this topic a little more before coming to a decision.

I'm hosting my domains on five separate servers on five separate IPs all over the world for six dollars a month.

I can now use my favorite high PR backlinks for each of my domains without risk of any devaluation. You might find it easy to find quality backlinks but I don't so this advantage alone warrants the six bucks a month.

[Brendan Mace]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

I think you should research this topic a little more before coming to a decision.

I'm hosting my domains on five separate servers on five separate IPs all over the world for six dollars a month.

I can now use my favorite high PR backlinks for each of my domains without risk of any devaluation. You might find it easy to find quality backlinks but I don't so this advantage alone warrants the six bucks a month.

How do you pull off 5 separate Ip addresses for only 6 bucks a month. I'd love to have that deal!

[TolyZ]

Well the total is 51 sites ranging from PR1-PR6. All hosted on the same server. I was thinking about creating links on them to 1 site that is hosted on the different IP, but I'm pretty sure it will get me penalized.

[dadamson]

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Well the total is 51 sites ranging from PR1-PR6. All hosted on the same server. I was thinking about creating links on them to 1 site that is hosted on the different IP, but I'm pretty sure it will get me penalized.

Well you have the potential for a very nice SEO network. You are wasting opportunity by having them hosted all together.

Just buy some unique IP hosting and dedicate each site on a new IP.

I am currently using 'Host The Name' for 50 unique IPs for around $120 per month.

Best price and service I have found.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Melissa82

Mike, the best SEO hosting providers allow you to choose from several servers to host your domains on. This includes servers throughout the States and the world thus negating the valid concerns you have.

Well aware Melissa. I use and teach on using SEO hosting. I think we are all assuming he is on one class C IP on that server.

Originally Posted by TolyZ

Well the total is 51 sites ranging from PR1-PR6. All hosted on the same server. I was thinking about creating links on them to 1 site that is hosted on the different IP, but I'm pretty sure it will get me penalized.

There are better ways of leveraging it than just pointing at the one money site. For one it leaves an easy to see pattern and for two you won't be building upo what seems to be a pretty good set of assets you have. For just one example - Use some of your higher PR sites to create other PR sites and then link so that the pattern is not so obvious.

[paulgl]

Like Mike, I hear this all the time. I have yet to hear of a reputable
host losing a boatload of sites due to "problems." I used to
think that way, but then logic took hold. I have never heard of,
say godaddy, getting a big penalty and zapping a bunch of sites.

If you go with xyz host in grandma's basement, you are playing with
fire. All reputable hosts will do backups constantly, and have the
latest and greatest anti-hacking safeguards. I have had sites on
earthlink.net for 15+ years. All interlinked, same server. No probs.

My other host I am on a first name basis. Downtime happens to
everybody. Hacking may happen to everybody. Just read the
news.

The internet runs on shared servers. Plenty of big sites, from
ebay to amazon, wikipedia, etc. run boatloads of sites on
the same server. Backlinks? They fully backlink them all to all.

Now the real issue is "value" of the backlink. In my book, a backlink
is a backlink is a backlink. Same server or not.

That's why people want sig links in big forums, over and over,
like wf, digitalpoint, etc.

If the same IP backlink thing was a problem, then internal backlinking
would not be golden. But it is. I have pages that have no other
hand built links EXCEPT internal, and they rank high, have PR, etc.

It all depends on the authority of the site, IMHO, as to whether the
links have value.

You are not going to tell me that 10 backlinks here on the WF, same
IP, are not worth more than 100,000 on some PR n/a piece of garbage.

I think the biggest secret in SEO is to build your own empire of websites.
Same IP is of no consequence. Just like the big boys.

People don't believe it when I tell them that WF is on a shared server.

The kicker to this whole thing would be subdomains. Since subdomains
are looked upon as separate domains, then people would be scared
$#!tle$$ to ever do subdomains and link up. That same IP thing would
be a killer. But logic proves that it's not.

Link up your site, same IP, or not. It's the way the internet works,
and is how the big boys do it.

If you are doing bad things with your sites, then you cannot hide
on different servers. How is a different IP going to protect you?

Now if someone wants to argue logically, like Mike, about 10 links on
different authority sites with high PR are "worth" more, somehow,
than 10 on the same server from an average site, I won't argue
with that. The argument comes from hurting or penalty, or even
not helping at all. I'd still say the same IP backlinks will help if
they are reputable sites.

And sites is a misnomer. We really should be talking about webpages,
not site.

Think about it. Wikipedia is really separate webpages, like blogspot
blogs, squidoo, etc. They have a Brazillian amount of these. How
practical is it to have a different IP for each page? You would need
thousands. If google puts thousands of blogspot blogs on the same
server, what does that say about the mentality of google and
shared servers?

Paul