MFA sites, $2000 for the start. Any advice?

[Kef]

Hi guys,
I'm planning to build a network of MFA sites, and have about $2K for the start.
I already have a good dedicated server with 10 IPs on board, unfortunately in the same C class. By the way, is it a problem?

Planned expenses for one site: $100-150
1. Domain name: $3-7 each.
2. Articles: 5-7 x $5 = $25-35
3. Link building = the rest

- I'm going to use BMR, is it the best way to get BLs?
- Can you suggest another good services for BL building?

Thanks!

[AfteraDream]

Don't worry too much about IPs and hosting.. build good sites, with worthy content and don't break rules of Google then you should be fine.

With 2k you can build at least 20 sites. More if you install blog yourself. You could buy ready made sites here on WF but it's good to learn to set them up yourself cuz then you will know how to work with them, how to fix them etc.

I spend about 70 bucks on a site. Domain is 10 bucks (.com, .net, .org), hosting is cheap, then about 20-25 bucks on content and about $30 on linkbuilding. I am willing tho to spend about 50 bucks on linkbuilding to get to 1st place on Google, some others will spend only limited amount of money and then see which sites perform well for limited budget and only spend more on best performers.

Heard good things about BMR, so use them if you can. Do some article directory submissions too, plenty of them on WF for 25 bucks or more. Sometimes even less! Gotta test couple of them.

Don't expect too much tho from this business model. If sites makes about $1/a day then you are doing fine. According to people who are smarter and more experienced than me in this, it's a numbers game. 1 of 10 sites will do more than 100 bucks a month (some even do $1000), 4 will be average and do 30 bucks a month and others will be stinkers doing less...5-15 bucks. A lot depends on keyword research so focus on that!!!!

Best of luck

[Kef]

Thanks for reply.

Don't worry too much about IPs and hosting..

Sounds good!

With 2k you can build at least 20 sites. More if you install blog yourself.

No need to say that I'll install them by myself I have about 100 of WP blogs for now (generally, made for Amazon income and for testing).

Don't expect too much tho from this business model.

Right, but:

A lot depends on keyword research

[ddDonPaul]

you can buy some unique designs for mfa sites if you would like to create quality websites where your visitors will come back.

[Kef]

Originally Posted by ddDonPaul

you can buy some unique designs for mfa sites if you would like to create quality websites where your visitors will come back.

Hmm... how much returning visitors do you have on your MFAs?
Pro design is good, but in my opinion it makes sense only for established sites which already have a good amount of traffic (not for new MFAs).

[futuremills]

2 grand is a good budget to start building MFAs. I would build 2-4 quality sites rather then 15-20 small crappy sites. You will make more money building authority sites plus you will gain more trust from google and from your perspective users. Make 10-20 page sites and you will be golden. You need to diversify your links. BMR is good but you need to diversify your links and not just have one type of links.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Kef

Hi guys,

I already have a good dedicated server with 10 IPs on board, unfortunately in the same C class. By the way, is it a problem?

Unless you are going for some killer terms and traffic MFAs on a dedicated may be overkill and depending on your cost for that a waste of money in the beginning. You can always upgrade with traffic.

- I'm going to use BMR, is it the best way to get BLs?
- Can you suggest another good services for BL building?

Thanks!

With that cash buy a few of your own domains with PR and you will kill in decent serps when you mix it up with the other link building.

[outwest]

where are you getting domains for so cheap?

[faridaziz]

$2K is more than enough.

Here are some suggestions:

• When you do some niche research, make a list
• From that list, start with 2-3 niche with the least-competitive keyword
• Buy Exact Match Domain (EMD), or at least you have the keyword phrase in the domain names
• Only use .com/.org/.net
• Write QUALITY content
• Write for HUMANS, not for Google
• Build QUALITY backlinks (forget about thousands of spammy backlinks to your sites, it's just not working anymore)

If you want to discuss further, I'd be happy to help. Just send me a PM.

[Kef]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Unless you are going for some killer terms and traffic MFAs on a dedicated may be overkill and depending on your cost for that a waste of money in the beginning.

I agree, dedicated server isn't "a must" for the beginners. But in my situation I have it 'for free' (one of my local clients is paying for it )

With that cash buy a few of your own domains with PR and you will kill in decent serps when you mix it up with the other link building.

Thinking about it, but domains with PR itself cannot guarantee anything: we need to find domains not only with PR but with good backlinks with appropriante anchor texts too. I've done a little research and it seems that good domain with PR and backlinks on board will cost me $100-400, and still no guarantee for good rankinks. Do I need to play this roulette? Btw, I've purchased a few dropped domains (DMOZ+Yahoo dir+BLs), and some of them are performing good.

Originally Posted by outwest

where are you getting domains for so cheap?

My local registrar offers .com domains for $5 for the first year. Pretty good IMO.

Originally Posted by futuremills

2 grand is a good budget to start building MFAs. I would build 2-4 quality sites rather then 15-20 small crappy sites. You will make more money building authority sites plus you will gain more trust from google and from your perspective users.

Attractive idea, but building an authority site takes much more time and money, right? And the cost of the mistake increases accordingly.

Originally Posted by faridaziz

• When you do some niche research, make a list
• From that list, start with 2-3 niche with the least-competitive keyword
• Buy Exact Match Domain (EMD), or at least you have the keyword phrase in the domain names
• Only use .com/.org/.net
• Write QUALITY content
• Write for HUMANS, not for Google
• Build QUALITY backlinks (forget about thousands of spammy backlinks to your sites, it's just not working anymore)

Thanks. These are basics, but many people forget about them.
As for EMD - when I search something in big G and see an EMD at the 1st page, it's 99% an MFA (or at least was started as MFA)

[TheAdsenseGuy]

Here's some advice - You're completely wasting your $2000. With Adsense on all your sites you need to understand that eventually all of your sites will come under manual review from a Google employee. And guess what? All your sites are connected with the same G adsense account. So if they deindex your site for being a MFA site (and they will) they will also deindex all your other sites as well. So kiss your $2000 goodbye.

I kinda know this from experience. Last December i had 130 of these 1-3 page adsense sites and they were cranking in almost $9000 a month. But last January a human reviewer deindexed ALL of my sites!

I would strongly suggest you build affiliate sites. Whether it's Amazon or clickbank or whatever. Your sites won't be connected (dont use the same webmaster tools/ analytics account for them all) so it's safer. And you will make more money too.

Backlinks - I've noticed that it's gotten really easy to get your site penalized/sandboxed for doing the wrong kind of backlinks since the last Panda update (October).

Be careful with blog comment backlinks. If you find a blog to comment on and it has 30-100 other blog comments with outgoing links - don't put a link there. You may actually lose rankings if you do that. I recently had a site on the middle of page 1 of google and i did 6 blog comments on spammed out pages. Two days later my site fell from page 1 to page 5. And this type of penalty usually lasts 1-3 months.

It seems that prior to the October Panda update "bad" backlinks wouldn't hurt your rankings - but now it will. It's not fair but it's true.

Good luck!

[AfteraDream]

Originally Posted by futuremills

2 grand is a good budget to start building MFAs. I would build 2-4 quality sites rather then 15-20 small crappy sites. You will make more money building authority sites plus you will gain more trust from google and from your perspective users. Make 10-20 page sites and you will be golden. You need to diversify your links. BMR is good but you need to diversify your links and not just have one type of links.

Small doesn't mean crappy! Just because you got 20 pages doesn't mean its a great site. It's not numbers, it's quality of content. I am trying to rank 2 sites with only one article. On one site it's 1500 words and on other is 2000 words. Currently in Google Dance stage but they started off pretty well. Don't to say that they WILL rank in first page at once but I heard people smarter than me use this strategy and it paid off.

My other site has 3-4 articles, of 700+ words and one of them is 1000 words I think, ranks 11 for main keyword after about 2 months so far.

In the end, get/write good content!

[IMSince2003]

How about building sites that don't get monetized by Adsense? Build those sites around product niches and you should do well and not worry about a manual review or ban.

[Juvv2096]

I agree with a few posts in this thread (too lazy to quote). Diversify your streams of monetization to be on the safe side.

I would also suggest building a couple of sites with authority and good content rather than smaller sites that are just junk.

Less sites = less overheads and a chance to make more money + less maintenance and ongoing costs.

[johnben1444]

For me MFA is good teacher to learn how to make money from adsense. I recommend putting on your thinking hat, get involve in niches and build your site up to $1, 500, it won't cost you more than what you want to spend on a site.

Buy some great high converting themes, EDM, and higher guys at fiverr for you ground work.

[strategic seo services]

Originally Posted by outwest

where are you getting domains for so cheap?

Godaddy & Namecheap have low prices.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Kef

Thinking about it, but domains with PR itself cannot guarantee anything: we need to find domains not only with PR but with good backlinks with appropriante anchor texts too.

Don't think you understand the concept. You buy the domains AND then put those links with appropriate anchor text on them pointing at your website.

I've done a little research and it seems that good domain with PR and backlinks on board will cost me $100-400, and still no guarantee for good rankinks.

I've ranked a few adsense sites for some people here just to help out and used nothing but two PR3s and a few PR2s none of which cost me over $60. Benefit being since they were not domains rented out to many people the PR held strong with only 12 or less links on a page. Nothing guarantees good ranking if thats yourway of looking at it but I've yet to see a contextual page with good juice not move sites.

[amarketing]

Here's some advice - You're completely wasting your $2000. With Adsense on all your sites you need to understand that eventually all of your sites will come under manual review from a Google employee. And guess what? All your sites are connected with the same G adsense account. So if they deindex your site for being a MFA site (and they will) they will also deindex all your other sites as well. So kiss your $2000 goodbye.

I kinda know this from experience. Last December i had 130 of these 1-3 page adsense sites and they were cranking in almost $9000 a month. But last January a human reviewer deindexed ALL of my sites!

Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? I have heard negative connotations concerting the term "made for Adsense," however, I can't understand why Google would de-index your sites because you have Adsense on all of them? Why would Google provide a service such as Adsense and then penalize you for scaling its use?

[Barry Unruh]

They don't penalize your for scaling its use, they penalize you for not providing what searchers are looking for.

Build sites for users which just happen to be monetized with Adsense. Do not build Adsense sites which just "kind of" take visitors into consideration for the purpose of getting clicks.

[kennykjtan]

I think the basic concept is, build a HUMAN UNDERSTANDABLE websites. I've seen lot of websites which I don't even know what is it all about. Doesn't mean that you need to have hundreds of post. Just build your website for human and you will be alright

[Michael Daniels]

Sucks to be you, now i see why your so upset...

[StoneWilson]

If I were you, I won't spend all 2 grand to promote new websites, buying other's old websites probably would be easier and more beneficial.

[TheAdsenseGuy]

Originally Posted by amarketing

Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? I have heard negative connotations concerting the term "made for Adsense," however, I can't understand why Google would de-index your sites because you have Adsense on all of them? Why would Google provide a service such as Adsense and then penalize you for scaling its use?

Sure. I couldn't undestand this either when it happened. Back then, I naively thought that i was helping the searcher find what they are looking for on my site - through Adsense ads. I was targeting mostly physical product keywords with the sites. But i wasn't selling physical products on my site. I just had an article and video and ads.

The problem with this is that according to Google I wasn't giving the searcher what they were looking for - I wasn't providing anything unique and valuable to the web - just ads. People had to actually leave my site to find what they were looking for.

Now on the other hand, let's say you had a site about exercise bikes. And it was an ecommerce site so you were actually selling exercise bikes through a dropshipping system. And your site had adsense ads also. This would be ok to Google and you wouldn't lose your account.

If you want to use adsense just make sure you target keywords that are more "how to". Google knows that the searcher is looking for an article so you should be ok. But on the other hand you never know with Google. That's why i only do affiliate marketing now - don't have to worry about it anymore.

Good luck!