When determining profitable keywords...

Roan · 12-29-2011, 01:56 PM

Hi guys,

When I do research on profitable keywords I use Market Samurai, I check out the SEO results of the top 10, of course. Now when determining if you should go for those keywords, you will have to look at the backlinks other websites have. When looking at the backlinks you should look at the page backlinks and not the domain backlinks.

bermuda · 12-29-2011, 02:13 PM

Well it depends on the pages you are examining. For example, a site might have hundreds or even thousands of internal pages and some of them could have top ranks online, getting monetized very well and being too difficult to cope with. In some cases even the ranks of inner pages of domains might be better than their homepages due to stronger links pointing at them. Of course choosing the profitable keywords can be one part of trying to find the best terms for sites.

Usually, the primary keywords which are suggested to you by keyword suggestion tools might not be the best terms to stick with, because they are extremely competitive at the same time. Using less competitive words and long-tail phrases could generate finer results after some time. Internal pages of websites, just like sites can have their own ranks and traffic shares, this is a technique used by webmasters whose sites might be monetized through ad publishing too.

Bryan V · 12-29-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Roan

If there are quite some sites like: domain.com/blablabla, do you look at the back links to the page or the domain, in order to determine if you can compete easily?

The backlinks to the domain also give a sense of the age and power behind the site as a whole, but you need to look at the specific page you want to rank in terms of backlinks. Look at both the internal and external backlinks to that page.

hamburglar · 12-29-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roan

Hi guys,

I have been wondering something for quite some time now. When I do research on profitable keywords I use Market Samurai, I check out the SEO results of the top 10, of course. Now when determining if you should go for those keywords, you will have to look at the back links. If there are quite some sites like: domain.com/blablabla, do you look at the back links to the page or the domain, in order to determine if you can compete easily?

Thanks

I look at the PR for the page that is ranking, links to the ranked page and SEO tags.

The only time I get concerned is if the root domain is a large site like wikipedia. That just means that it will take a lot of time to rank above it.

Market Samurai is pretty good at letting you know if they keyword is good. Also make sure you get pretty kick ass link building then you don't have to worry.

Roan · 12-29-2011, 02:34 PM

Yeah in market samurai it shows the domain age, page rank but then the back links to page and backlinks to domain. Some have a few backlinks to page but quite a few to domain. For example a website like amazon. U cant compete with backlinks to domain but wud u still be able to end up above the amazon site? (not talkin about homepage)

Roan · 12-29-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hamburglar

I look at the PR for the page that is ranking, links to the ranked page and SEO tags.

The only time I get concerned is if the root domain is a large site like wikipedia. That just means that it will take a lot of time to rank above it.

Market Samurai is pretty good at letting you know if they keyword is good. Also make sure you get pretty kick ass link building then you don't have to worry.

Thanks! So you look at the page backlinks?

stellaandreapark · 12-29-2011, 03:07 PM

I love Market Samurai and it is pretty easy to use. You can get all the info that you need and it also shows you how difficult or how easy to rank a certain keyword.

I suggest you go with it

Roan · 12-29-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stellaandreapark

I love Market Samurai and it is pretty easy to use. You can get all the info that you need and it also shows you how difficult or how easy to rank a certain keyword.

I suggest you go with it

Lol you clearly didn't read my post

Maraun · 12-29-2011, 04:05 PM

Page backlinks is what you are up against. Domain backlinks show you how big/competitive the site is overall together with amount of pages indexed, but in terms of ranking for a specific keyword domain backlinks don't matter that much.

Check out any of the Amazon pages. Obviously Amazon has a LOT of domain backlinks. But if you try to compete with a specific product subpage and this page doesn't have backlinks you can outrank it pretty fast.

Maraun · 12-29-2011, 04:07 PM

Edit: Sorry, doublepost.

bitriot · 12-29-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roan

Lol you clearly didn't read my post

Warrior forum is filled with these terrible add-nothing comments lately.

As to the question, I disregard domain backlinks... if they mattered, amazon would own every keyword

Rollmodl · 12-29-2011, 09:04 PM

PR and backlinks are important but pay attention to the anchor text for the backlinks. For example;

Your competitor may have thousands of backlinks but if none of them use the keywords or phrase you are targeting then you will not have a problem. Just do a PR Analysis of MS. That would give you an idea of how many you will need. It's not an exact science but it's the closest thing.

I can put up a sample illustration if that will help.

Roan · 12-30-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Maraun

Page backlinks is what you are up against. Domain backlinks show you how big/competitive the site is overall together with amount of pages indexed, but in terms of ranking for a specific keyword domain backlinks don't matter that much.

Check out any of the Amazon pages. Obviously Amazon has a LOT of domain backlinks. But if you try to compete with a specific product subpage and this page doesn't have backlinks you can outrank it pretty fast.

Thank you!!

Roan · 12-30-2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollmodl

PR and backlinks are important but pay attention to the anchor text for the backlinks. For example;

Your competitor may have thousands of backlinks but if none of them use the keywords or phrase you are targeting then you will not have a problem. Just do a PR Analysis of MS. That would give you an idea of how many you will need. It's not an exact science but it's the closest thing.

I can put up a sample illustration if that will help.

Yeah if you don't mind! Id like that

packerfan · 12-30-2011, 12:30 AM

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12-29-2011, 01:56 PM	#1
Roan RoanAkkermans.com War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 190 Thanks: 31 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts Contact Info	When determining profitable keywords... Hi guys, When I do research on profitable keywords I use Market Samurai, I check out the SEO results of the top 10, of course. Now when determining if you should go for those keywords, you will have to look at the backlinks other websites have. When looking at the backlinks you should look at the page backlinks and not the domain backlinks.
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bermuda HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 235 Thanks: 1 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts	Re: When determining profitable keywords... Well it depends on the pages you are examining. For example, a site might have hundreds or even thousands of internal pages and some of them could have top ranks online, getting monetized very well and being too difficult to cope with. In some cases even the ranks of inner pages of domains might be better than their homepages due to stronger links pointing at them. Of course choosing the profitable keywords can be one part of trying to find the best terms for sites. Usually, the primary keywords which are suggested to you by keyword suggestion tools might not be the best terms to stick with, because they are extremely competitive at the same time. Using less competitive words and long-tail phrases could generate finer results after some time. Internal pages of websites, just like sites can have their own ranks and traffic shares, this is a technique used by webmasters whose sites might be monetized through ad publishing too.
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12-29-2011, 02:34 PM	#5
Roan RoanAkkermans.com War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 190 Thanks: 31 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts Contact Info	Re: When determining profitable keywords... Yeah in market samurai it shows the domain age, page rank but then the back links to page and backlinks to domain. Some have a few backlinks to page but quite a few to domain. For example a website like amazon. U cant compete with backlinks to domain but wud u still be able to end up above the amazon site? (not talkin about homepage)
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12-29-2011, 03:07 PM	#7
stellaandreapark Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: When determining profitable keywords... I love Market Samurai and it is pretty easy to use. You can get all the info that you need and it also shows you how difficult or how easy to rank a certain keyword. I suggest you go with it

12-29-2011, 04:05 PM	#9
Maraun Took the red pill Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 253 Thanks: 8 Thanked 46 Times in 36 Posts	Re: When determining profitable keywords... Page backlinks is what you are up against. Domain backlinks show you how big/competitive the site is overall together with amount of pages indexed, but in terms of ranking for a specific keyword domain backlinks don't matter that much. Check out any of the Amazon pages. Obviously Amazon has a LOT of domain backlinks. But if you try to compete with a specific product subpage and this page doesn't have backlinks you can outrank it pretty fast.

12-29-2011, 04:07 PM	#10
Maraun Took the red pill Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 253 Thanks: 8 Thanked 46 Times in 36 Posts	Re: When determining profitable keywords... Edit: Sorry, doublepost.
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Rollmodl Brooklyn, New York War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 244 Thanks: 2 Thanked 29 Times in 22 Posts Social Networking	Re: When determining profitable keywords... PR and backlinks are important but pay attention to the anchor text for the backlinks. For example; Your competitor may have thousands of backlinks but if none of them use the keywords or phrase you are targeting then you will not have a problem. Just do a PR Analysis of MS. That would give you an idea of how many you will need. It's not an exact science but it's the closest thing. I can put up a sample illustration if that will help.
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