SEO Debate - The importance of ageing a domain

[Alyona The Publicist]

No matter what you do seo-wise, Google will look at your domain age, so don’t expect to rank high for a particular keyword with a relatively new domain.

What I suggest to newbies is to register domains (by choosing appropriate names ) and populate the domains with an article or two at first, even if they have lots of other things going. So if you register 10 domains about niches related to your personal interests, in a year or two you might go to these domains and start promoting them aggressively to search engines, however you would have the added advantage of having had a year or two in ‘aging’ that domain in the eyes of Google!

[jesustamez]

How long do you think it would be for Google to be like "okay this domain isn't so new anymore"?

[solado]

You can pick up some pretty aged domains on godaddy auction, sometimes up to 2 years of age for around $10.

But it is important to note that it must have been indexed by the previous owner with content for Google knows it is an aged domain.

[TBInternetMarketing]

An older domain definitely helps, but I don't think its that important. I've managed to rank sites that are only a couple of months old.

[paulgl]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

No matter what you do seo-wise, Google will look at your domain age, so don’t expect to rank high for a particular keyword with a relatively new domain.

That's just not true. Google could care less how old a domain is.

I'm not sure how this myth got started. Have you never heard of
the word, viral? Plenty of new sites can and do shoot to the top.

Domain age has little to nothing to do with anything. But, as I'm
sure the reason why some of these myths get started, it makes
domain re-sellers rich.

The web gets "house cleaned" on a regular basis, actually. Out
with the old, in with the new.

Paul

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

I'm sorry but you are very wrong here....

see my other post on this same forum, where i outline why you should NEVER buy expired domains:

You are not making any sense. First you are trying to argue that an aged domain is practically a necessity for SEO, but then you are telling people not to buy aged domains.

If you do your proper homework on the domain, there is nothing wrong with buying an existing domain.

[SEO ibiza]

Originally Posted by paulgl

That's just not true. Google could care less how old a domain is.

I'm not sure how this myth got started. Have you never heard of
the word, viral? Plenty of new sites can and do shoot to the top.

Domain age has little to nothing to do with anything. But, as I'm
sure the reason why some of these myths get started, it makes
domain re-sellers rich.

The web gets "house cleaned" on a regular basis, actually. Out
with the old, in with the new.

Paul

I have to partially disagree with this.

Its very much easier launching and ranking a new site on a domain that's been up for a while with a holding page and had a few good links pointed at it for a year or so, than starting from scratch with a brand new domain.

so while what you say is correct in that it can be done, its quicker and easier, with a domain that's already on its journey.

basically the same amount of links will get you further if you're already started down the path.

[lukedidit]

I believe it is a factor, but its not as an important factor as what is being made out.

Here is proof:

40 Day Challenge – Top 5 in Google Within 40 Days!

[SEO ibiza]

Originally Posted by lukedidit

I believe it is a factor, but its not as an important factor as what is being made out.

Here is proof:

40 Day Challenge – Top 5 in Google Within 40 Days!

top 5 in Google "for what" ? you wont do it for anything even vaguely competitive in the grand scheme of things in that time with a new domain.

[JSProjects]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

No matter what you do seo-wise, Google will look at your domain age, so don’t expect to rank high for a particular keyword with a relatively new domain.

What I suggest to newbies is to register domains (by choosing appropriate names ) and populate the domains with an article or two at first, even if they have lots of other things going. So if you register 10 domains about niches related to your personal interests, in a year or two you might go to these domains and start promoting them aggressively to search engines, however you would have the added advantage of having had a year or two in ‘aging’ that domain in the eyes of Google!

Easiest thing to do is just grab an aged domain that is either broad, or related to your niche. It's really not too tough to find broad / generic sounding domains. You don't get the EMD benefit, but I think it's nowhere near as powerful as it used to be. You can rank a non-EMD just as easily if you know what you're doing.

Alternatively, if you've got a little to invest you can register a handful of aged domains with PR and redirect them to your new site. Or use them to build your own mini backlink network.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by JSProjects

Easiest thing to do is just grab an aged domain that is either broad, or related to your niche. It's really not too tough to find broad / generic sounding domains. You don't get the EMD benefit, but I think it's nowhere near as powerful as it used to be. You can rank a non-EMD just as easily if you know what you're doing.

Alternatively, if you've got a little to invest you can register a handful of aged domains with PR and redirect them to your new site. Or use them to build your own mini backlink network.

My argument is that no sane internet marketer will let a good aged-domain go! why would he/she do that?!! you will only find aged-domain up for grabs which have had either no success or else have gotten backlinks from link farms and google would have let such a site sink in google sandbox.

If you do such a thing you are doomed to fail....

Unfortunately you come here and give newbies such advice which is even more wrong!

[outwest]

More important is age of the backlinks

Domain age is only important as it relates to aging of the backlinks and those backlinks must be relevant to whatever kws you are wanting to ranjk for

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

My argument is that no sane internet marketer will let a good aged-domain go! why would he/she do that?!! you will only find aged-domain up for grabs which have had either no success or else have gotten backlinks from link farms and google would have let such a site sink in google sandbox.

If you do such a thing you are doomed to fail....

Unfortunately you come here and give newbies such advice which is even more wrong!

No offense, but I think it is you that should stop spouting out advice. There are plenty of domains available for sale everyday that have nothing wrong with them. There can be a variety of reasons why a domain was let go. And not every domain owner is an 'internet marketer' per se. Sometimes a business goes under. Sometimes the site owner dies. Sometimes a person was given an incredible opportunity in another field and just forgot about the site. There can be hundreds of reasons why a good domain was let go. To just denote all available aged domains as useless is both foolish and short-sighted.

Should you buy a domain with crummy backlinks or one that has been deindexed by Google? Of course not.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Should you buy a domain with crummy backlinks or one that has been deindexed by Google? Of course not.

...and how could you know that a site had crummy backlinks (unless you bought it and installed google analytics) or that it was deindexed by Google?

What I am saying is that buying dropped domains is not a good strategy compared to buying a fresh domain and having complete control over what links to it!

If you are a good search engine optimizer you don't need to buy a domain of a dead person to get some good backlinks to your site!

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

...and how could you know that a site had crummy backlinks (unless you bought it and installed google analytics) or that it was deindexed by Google?

What I am saying is that buying dropped domains is not a good strategy compared to buying a fresh domain and having complete control over what links to it!

If you are a good search engine optimizer you don't need to buy a domain of a dead person to get some good backlinks to your site!

It is pretty common SEO knowledge that it is very easy to investigate the backlinks of a domain. There are a host of tools that can be used for this. It is also very easy to see if a site was deindexed by Google. You can type in 'site:domainname.com' into the Google search bar and see if it shows up, obviously replacing the domainname with the actual domain. You can also use Domain Name Lookup, Domain Whois | DomainTools to see a little bit of the history of the domain.

And having a fresh domain, does not give you complete control over what links to it. Anyone can build a link with or without your permission.

I'm not saying a fresh domain cannot work too. I'm just saying you are giving people incorrect information when you say that buying an existing domain is always a bad idea.

Just because you do not understand how to evaluate a domain, doesn't make them all bad.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

It is pretty common SEO knowledge that it is very easy to investigate the backlinks of a domain. There are a host of tools that can be used for this. It is also very easy to see if a site was deindexed by Google. You can type in 'site:domainname.com' into the Google search bar and see if it shows up, obviously replacing the domainname with the actual domain. You can also use Domain Name Lookup, Domain Whois | DomainTools to see a little bit of the history of the domain.

And having a fresh domain, does not give you complete control over what links to it. Anyone can build a link with or without your permission.

I'm not saying a fresh domain cannot work too. I'm just saying you are giving people incorrect information when you say that buying an existing domain is always a bad idea.

Just because you do not understand how to evaluate a domain, doesn't make them all bad.

why don't you give us an example of some dropped domains you have bought and you managed to turn them into a success?!!!

because as far as i can see your seo-related blog seopub is only giving dubious advice!

I have noticed that your seopub blog is a pagerank 0 ZERO site and your spartanonlinemarketing.com is just a pagerank 3 site!

For being an SEO expert i would have expected you to have pagerank 8+ sites!!!!

[outwest]

The ONLY reason to buy aged domains is IMO for the PR of the domain OR the age of the domain

PR of the domain is irrlevant to backlinking kws
only the PR of the Relevant backlinks and the AGE of the Relevant backlinks matters, when google ranks page for kws

buying "aged high PR domains" to me, makes great money for the domain sellers or auctions sites but it is based on a false premise of uneducated webmasters who do not fully understand how google ranks sites

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

why don't you give us an example of some dropped domains you have bought and you managed to turn them into a success?!!!

Ummm... no. I'm not giving away any of my sites or the sites of my clients here. That is silly.

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

I have noticed that your seopub blog is a pagerank 0 ZERO site and your spartanonlinemarketing.com is just a pagerank 3 site!

Actually, my blog is a PR 3, and Spartan is only a PR 2. And in all honesty, I spend very little time worrying about PR or rankings for my own sites. My time is devoted to the sites of my clients.

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

For being an SEO expert i would have expected you to have pagerank 8+ sites!!!!

SEOmoz.org, one of the premiere SEO related sites in the world, is only a PR 6. You act like PR 8's just grow on trees.

And if you think I have links in my signature on an internet marketing forum to any of my best performing sites, you are nuts.

You can continue to attack me all you want. It does not change the fact that you are wrong about buying domains. If you know what to look for, it can give you a quick boost towards better rankings.

Is it necessary? No. Can a 3 year-old PR 4 rank faster than a brand new domain? Absolutely.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by outwest

it is based on a false premise of uneducated webmasters who do not fully understand how google ranks sites

VERY WELL SAID - Thanks

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

The ONLY reason to buy aged domains is IMO for the PR of the domain OR the age of the domain

PR of the domain is irrlevant to backlinking kws
only the PR of the Relevant backlinks and the AGE of the Relevant backlinks matters, when google ranks page for kws

buying "aged high PR domains" to me, makes great money for the domain sellers or auctions sites but it is based on a false premise of uneducated webmasters who do not fully understand how google ranks sites

You are absolutely right that initially a site is only going to rank for whatever it was backlinked for previously.

However, I know you are a fan of building sites in a silo structure. So imagine you take that same philosophy, but you are starting with a homepage that is a PR 4 or 5 on day one. How much easier would it be to rank those internal pages?

In that case, it does not make any difference what the anchor text of the backlinks to the homepage contain. All that matters is the homepage is passing on PR 4 or PR 5 internal links to the pages of the site.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Ummm... no. I'm not giving away any of my sites or the sites of my clients here. That is silly. .

oh my!!! - the same old story - someone says they have lots and lots of great sites but does not want to reveal their url!!

why? are you afraid someone from here may steal them?!!!

come on! who are you trying to impress?

you own only a pr2 and a pr3 site?!! - WOW that must make you an SEO expert!!!

...oh and btw your blog is nowhere to be seen on the top pages of google - the only traffic you're getting to it is probably from the warrior forum sig!!

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

oh my!!! - the same old story - someone says they have lots and lots of great sites but does not want to reveal their url!!

why? are you afraid someone from here may steal them?!!!

come on! who are you trying to impress?

you own only a pr2 and a pr3 site?!! - WOW that must make you an SEO expert!!!

Yeah those are the only sites I own.

And for talking so much crap, where are your sites then?

It is becoming increasingly obvious you just created these BS threads and are arguing with everyone you can to get your signature some exposure. Good luck with your WSO's.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Yeah those are the only sites I own.

And for talking so much crap, where are your sites then?

It is becoming increasingly obvious you just created these BS threads and are arguing with everyone you can to get your signature some exposure. Good luck with your WSO's.

Thanks for admitting that you only own those sites, I did not create these threads to expose my sig. unlike you i have sold 3,000 ebooks for that sole WSO and another 1,000 from other ebooks.

And I can proove it!! - because my WSO has been around for years and is still selling!!

You started attacking my methods that i wanted to share with newbies and now you are regretting it because you are being exposed for being an seo-expert impersonator!!! LOL

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

oh my!!! - the same old story - someone says they have lots and lots of great sites but does not want to reveal their url!!

why? are you afraid someone from here may steal them?!!!

come on! who are you trying to impress?

you own only a pr2 and a pr3 site?!! - WOW that must make you an SEO expert!!!

...oh and btw your blog is nowhere to be seen on the top pages of google - the only traffic you're getting to it is probably from the warrior forum sig!!

Only a fool would show his backlink network on a public IM forum.

Only a fool would show his money sites on a public IM forum, unless that money site is a service for IMers.

If you don't believe fellow IMers won't copy what you do (keywords/backlinks/content/themes) you've obviously never heard of Flippa. The same will happen on any other public site.

Good luck with that...

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

Thanks for admitting that you only own those sites

Apparently you do not understand sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

I did not create these threads to expose my sig. unlike you i have sold 3,000 ebooks for that sole WSO and another 1,000 from other ebooks.

And I can proove it!! - because my WSO has been around for years and is still selling!!

Sell something on the open market and I will be impressed. A WSO? There are plenty of horrible products in the WSO market that have sold far more than yours (not saying yours is horrible by the way), so that doesn't really impress me much.

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

You started attacking my methods that i wanted to share with newbies and now you are regretting it because you are being exposed for being an seo-expert impersonator!!! LOL

I do not regret anything, nor has anything been exposed.

I did not attack your methods. I simply pointed out that you were spreading false information which is dangerous to the same people you were claiming to try to help.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You are absolutely right that initially a site is only going to rank for whatever it was backlinked for previously.

However, I know you are a fan of building sites in a silo structure. So imagine you take that same philosophy, but you are starting with a homepage that is a PR 4 or 5 on day one. How much easier would it be to rank those internal pages?

In that case, it does not make any difference what the anchor text of the backlinks to the homepage contain. All that matters is the homepage is passing on PR 4 or PR 5 internal links to the pages of the site.

Personally i dont agree that the PR of a site makes it hard to outrank

one of my competitors ranks 1,2 on a lot of kws in a niche I target
of course he has no EMDs
they are all coming off the same domain

his mother domain is 13 yrs old about PR5 or so
most of the internal pages he has are PR5 etc

but he is ROUTINELY outranked by NEW domains
why?
how can a new domain with low PR outrank this guy? if he has a 13 yr old PR5

reason? the bankllinks to most of those kw ranking internal pages really suck, there is not much competition for those kws

so IMO based on my observation the PR of the site is not that important
the PR of the RELEVANT BACKLINKS.? YES thats very important

but how many relevant backlinks are there to MY KWS on an aged domain I buy? ZERO

So who cares what the PR of the site is? The PR of the Site is certainly not reflected in Relevant kw backlinks coming in for MY kws is it? to that site? There are probably or most likely ZERO relevant aged backlinks for MY keywords on a site I would buy in Flippa. So to me that makes a "high PR" "aged" domain useless. Now if I bought a site with high PR for classic autos............aged high PR site. and I wanted to use it for a classic auto website? Then sure I can see that being useful and having some value. All the aged backlinks coming in are related to kws I might want to rank for, or at least they are LSI kws for my niche.


I have come to the conclusion that YES PR MATTERS but
only the PR of the RELEVANT backlinks

Google is not ranking pages based on the PR of your site, it is ranking pages based on the backlink profiles of YOUR Relevant KWS, and the PR and AGE of those kws

at least thats my opinion based on all my competition research

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by outwest

Personally i dont agree that the PR of a site makes it hard to outrank

one of my competitors ranks 1,2 on a lot of kws in a niche I target
of course he has no EMDs
they are all coming off the same domain

his mother domain is 13 yrs old about PR5 or so
most of the internal pages he has are PR5 etc

but he is ROUTINELY outranked by NEW domains
why?
how can a new domain with low PR outrank this guy? if he has a 13 yr old PR5

reason? the bankllinks to most of those kw ranking internal pages really suck, there is not much competition for those kws

so IMO based on my observation the PR of the site is not that important
the PR of the RELEVANT BACKLINKS.? YES thats very important

but how many relevant backlinks are there to MY KWS on an aged domain I buy? ZERO


I have come to the conclusion that YES PR MATTERS but
only the PR of the RELEVANT backlinks

Google is not ranking pages based on the PR of your site, it is ranking pages based on the backlink profiles of YOUR KWS, and the PR and AGE of those kws

at least thats my opinion based on all my competition research

I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in my point. I'm not saying that the PR of the homepage is going to help that page to rank. I'm talking about the internal links that it is now giving to individual pages on the site. Those are generally what you are trying to rank (sometimes the domain too, yes I know).

Those individual pages are going to be far easier to rank because of the internal linking a silo structure creates plus you are starting with a high PR domain.

[sonicadam123]

Originally Posted by yukon

Only a fool would show his backlink network on a public IM forum.

Only a fool would show his money sites on a public IM forum, unless that money site is a service for IMers.

If you don't believe fellow IMers won't copy what you do (keywords/backlinks/content/themes) you've obviously never heard of Flippa. The same will happen on any other public site.

Good luck with that...

Wow, it's all getting a bit heated hear isn't it lol.

Well said though, needed to be said I think.

It's happened numerous time, someone reveals a profitable niche they're doing well in, someone clones their site & content and outranks them.

It's a dog eat dog world out there.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in my point. I'm not saying that the PR of the homepage is going to help that page to rank. I'm talking about the internal links that it is now giving to individual pages on the site. Those are generally what you are trying to rank (sometimes the domain too, yes I know).

Those individual pages are going to be far easier to rank because of the internal linking a silo structure creates plus you are starting with a high PR domain.

I understand what you are saying

[Tacit]

Alyona, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of SEO and internet marketing in general. Please get your facts straight before giving advice out to newbies.

[solado]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

Thanks for admitting that you only own those sites, I did not create these threads to expose my sig. unlike you i have sold 3,000 ebooks for that sole WSO and another 1,000 from other ebooks.

And I can proove it!! - because my WSO has been around for years and is still selling!!

You started attacking my methods that i wanted to share with newbies and now you are regretting it because you are being exposed for being an seo-expert impersonator!!! LOL

I'm genuinely speechless about this post.

[strategic seo services]

Although a domain's age is not the most important factor in SEO, it is easier to rank a domain that is at least a year old.

[Ian Varnava]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

you will only find aged-domain up for grabs which have had either no success or else have gotten backlinks from link farms and google would have let such a site sink in google sandbox.

LOL!

I haven't posted on this forum in months, but you made me laugh so hard I had to suck it up and make a post.

Thanks for the laugh.

P.S. So can we all go ahead and shoot "backlinks from link farms" to your sites so you can "sink in google sandbox"?

[Alyona The Publicist]

One day you will hopefully open your eyes and understand that SEO is not based on magic or alchemy it's a science based on formulas as dictated by Google (and the other search engines).

Hope that by the time you open your eyes and understand the fundamentals of SEO you would have not lost too much time and too much money in the process.

How many of you can admit to having purchased tons of ebooks on SEO and thinking that what is written in them is true, without even trying out the methods themselves?

I am speaking from experience, years of experience, in doing this. I have always managed to outrank my competitors and using the tactics I preach on this forum I am today succesfuly a self-employed full time internet marketer. I also own a small advertising agency, which has been occupying my time since 12 years ago and I employ 4 people full time, however I am letting go the agency a bit and want to focus more on internet marketing because I believe it's the way to go for the future.

I have let things go perhaps slightly out of hand on this thread and people attacked me and I attacked them back (in the heat of the moment) looking back I think I have to say sorry if I hurt anyone, it definetely was not my intention, anyway I still stand by my principles.

What I want newbies to learn from this experience is this:

Please do not take what you read anywhere, either on this forum or on any ebook as the absolute truth. Go out there, build websites, build backlinks, experiment and you will learn, like I did. When you go through that process you can form an opinion on what SEO is. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps others on this forum who do not agree with me are wrong, but hey, if what I am saying works for me (and vice versa) then good luck to everyone and hope everyone makes a buck at the end of the day

[Laubster]

Wow, there are so many thing wrong with Alyon's "debate" threads. First, if this is a debate, post your opinion and let the community debate it. When you attack every person that disagrees with you it makes you look stupid, and makes your advice less trustworthy. It's obvious you don't want a debate, you just want to fight.

Second, you're wrong. Have you ever done keyword research in Market Samurai?? I see domains that are less than 6 months or one year old ranking for keywords all the time. I honestly have no idea where you get your ideas from. Putting up links to screen shots of brand new domains that rank on the first page isn't a good way to spend my time, but it's really tempting given how much bad information you're putting out on this forum.

[Laubster]

Originally Posted by outwest

one of my competitors ranks 1,2 on a lot of kws in a niche I target
of course he has no EMDs
they are all coming off the same domain

This quote alone goes to show you have no idea what you're talking about. Your entire last debate thread was about how important exact match domains are, and how you "must" have your KW in your domain. yet one of your competitors is beating you without an EMD. interesting.

[outwest]

Originally Posted by Laubster

This quote alone goes to show you have no idea what you're talking about. Your entire last debate thread was about how important exact match domains are, and how you "must" have your KW in your domain. yet one of your competitors is beating you without an EMD. interesting.

Show me a thread where i said YOU MUST have EMD ?
I said EMDs give a small boost IF ANY, they used to give huge boost but now not much


What I said was if you are one of those EMD people (I am not) I think you are wasting your time to begin with

EMDs only target one kw, if you are targeting multiple kws, longtails, you can target those with any domain

what I said about EMDs is, the people who buy them, hey fine you get a small boost (I guess) but the people who go out and buy EMD1.com. EMDx.com, thats ridiculous and the small benefit that EMD gives you is IMO NOT valid for those domains since they are NOT EMDs they are variations on EMDs.

who ever claimed that kw in the DOMAIN is important? Used to be maybe but not now
What I said is if you are a EMD buyer, I think that you MUST BUY A REAL EMD, not a variation on an EMD which destroys that EMD and makes it NOT an EMD..

Nevertheless I am NOT a person who buys EMD or recommends buying them. I think they are a crutch used by people who dont understand SEO

besides why buy an entire domain for ONE kw? its absurd if you ask me

Now if the kw is 20k searches per month and the EMD is available (it never is) I would buy it, because thats A LOT of traffic. (this would assume that the kw is not massively competitive and I thought I could rank for it)

but you guys who go buy EMDs for kws with 500 searches/mo kws? I think thats insane

The Reason EMDs are hard to outrank IMO?
Is not because of the domain name

Its because
If I go out and spend the money and time to buy an entire domain called
BlueCars.com

Chances are *if I know much about SEO* And the kw has good traffic
I will backlink the heck out of that domain with the anchor text Blue Cars and many of those will be high PR backlinks

THAT is the main reason I think EMDs are a bit harder to outrank, they tend to backlink the hell out of the main kw for the domain,

[Sclark]

I wouldn't trust a person who doesn't know how to check backlinks on a site (by means other than checking in Google Analytics) and thinks that

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

SEO is not based on magic or alchemy it's a science based on formulas as dictated by Google (and the other search engines).

Have you seen those formulas, really?

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by Laubster

Wow, there are so many thing wrong with Alyon's "debate" threads. First, if this is a debate, post your opinion and let the community debate it. When you attack every person that disagrees with you it makes you look stupid, and makes your advice less trustworthy. It's obvious you don't want a debate, you just want to fight.

Second, you're wrong. Have you ever done keyword research in Market Samurai?? I see domains that are less than 6 months or one year old ranking for keywords all the time. I honestly have no idea where you get your ideas from. Putting up links to screen shots of brand new domains that rank on the first page isn't a good way to spend my time, but it's really tempting given how much bad information you're putting out on this forum.

I did not attack anyone, I just made my opinion known, if I don't agree with something I tell it as it is.

With reference to your comment about the new domains ranking for keywords, ok, but what keywords are you talking about? how much traffic do they get? I can rank a new domain for an obscure keyword anytime you want, but the challenge is when you have to rank for a competitive keyword. It's not easy and I try to take all advantages ever

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by Sclark

Have you seen those formulas, really?

Trying to make fun of me because I told you I have seen the 'google patent' - (I never said I saw THE formula!)

The google patent is something which is in the public domain, I would have given you a link, but since you are so good why bother?!

The google patent has information on how google arrives at the search engine results it provides.

No Search engine optimizer can call himself an expert without having read the Google Patent before. Otherwise the search engine optimizer would be just like any other witch-doctor who would want prescribe medicine without having any knowledge of medicine itself!!!!

[Shrikrishnap]

I have seen little bit of changes or modification done on a website with longer doamin age show very god improvements in SERPs comapare to new domain age websites.

I agree on opinion that domain age is important factor but not the only factor for better SERP.

[SEO ibiza]

Originally Posted by Alyona The Publicist

Trying to make fun of me because I told you I have seen the 'google patent' - (I never said I saw THE formula!)

The google patent is something which is in the public domain, I would have given you a link, but since you are so good why bother?!

The google patent has information on how google arrives at the search engine results it provides.

No Search engine optimizer can call himself an expert without having read the Google Patent before. Otherwise the search engine optimizer would be just like any other witch-doctor who would want prescribe medicine without having any knowledge of medicine itself!!!!

!!!! ..fave post of the week. ..which Google patent exactly?

[SEO ibiza]

double post

[Bofu2U]

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

!!!! ..fave post of the week. ..which Google patent exactly? I clearly have some reading to do

They have hundreds. If you think he's joking, here's something to scratch the surface.

Google Search Patents 2010 | Search News Central

[SEO ibiza]

Originally Posted by Bofo2u

they have hundreds. If you think he's joking, here's something to scratch the surface.

Google Search Patents 2010 | Search News Central

yes I'm well aware of this thanks. my question was which one is it that makes you "seo expert not witch doctor"?

The google patent has information on how google arrives at the search engine results it provides.

No Search engine optimizer can call himself an expert without having read the Google Patent before. Otherwise the search engine optimizer would be just like any other witch-doctor who would want prescribe medicine without having any knowledge of medicine itself!!!!

English isn't your first language is it?

I'm bowing out now, I don't think you need my help to embarrass yourself anymore.

[Alyona The Publicist]

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

!!!! ..fave post of the week. ..which Google patent exactly? I clearly have some reading to do

Well said... You clearly have some reading (and learning) to do!!!

if you are saying you never heard about the google patents and you call yourself ... SEOibiza!!! oh my oh my!!!!!

I am sorry to say but people do speak before thinking here!

How can you lambast someone who is trying to help you just because you 'think' you know something?!

Why don't you try to learn something from your experience on this forum rather than just try to sound intelligent when in reality you make a fool of yourself!

You are telling me that you never heard of the google patents?!! - WOW you must be really good at SEO!!!

I think it is so extremely important that we all learn something from these patents that I have decided to open a new thread on this forum about Google Patents:

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/527330-google-patents.html#post5473379

Hopefully on this thread we will be able to discuss (civily) what works and what does not in the Google SEO world. But please let's be scientific in our approach on this thread, we cannot just keep arguing if an EMD works or if an EMD doesn't work unless it's backed by a scientific approach, and the closest to scientific that we can be in this case is by examining the data that google made public about it's formula.

Altough Google never did (and never will) publish it's exact formula, notwithstanding the fact that it is probably changing continually, we can infer some important things from the patents it published in the past couple of years.

May I take this opportunity to invite everyone who has posted on this thread and perhaps even disagreed with me on some points to join the discussion on google patents and Watch out that thread as I and others will be posting important information (with proof from Google Patents) that will completely change the way you think about SEO!!!!

[awj888]

if you look at extact match keyword domains I have some ranking in about 24hours fresh domain and they jump right up, granted cometition isnt alawys strong; but usually very high PR pages or approx 55,000,000 results. (yes i know number of pages doesnt mean anything please dont school me on this!) - so to anser the quaestion - google likes aged domains for sure, however i wouldnt make this a strategy, unlesss you are talking about highly competitive niche, where you need to promote as soon as a site is up and very aggressivly. - otherwise letting a new domain sit for 1-3 months I usually find is more than enough; just get it indexed fast and wait to see what it does on its own before building your links

[Bofu2U]

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

yes I'm well aware of this thanks. my question was which one is it that makes you "seo expert not witch doctor"?

Sorry, normally when someone says "I have some reading to do" I throw a bunch of reading at them. It's a reflex of mine.

[Premier Door Handles]

age of the domain and name of the domain both are very important as a part of onpage seo. if your choose domain name carefully then in some case ( for local keyword ) there is no need for linkbuilding process.

[yukon]

I didn't mean any disrespect to anyone, it's just reality.

Originally Posted by yukon

Only a fool would show his backlink network on a public IM forum.

Only a fool would show his money sites on a public IM forum, unless that money site is a service for IMers.

If you don't believe fellow IMers won't copy what you do (keywords/backlinks/content/themes) you've obviously never heard of Flippa. The same will happen on any other public site.

Good luck with that...

Originally Posted by sonicadam123

Wow, it's all getting a bit heated hear isn't it lol.

Well said though, needed to be said I think.

It's happened numerous time, someone reveals a profitable niche they're doing well in, someone clones their site & content and outranks them.

It's a dog eat dog world out there.