Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts?

mrtrance · 01-22-2012, 02:38 PM

I wanted to find out from that use Build My Rank (BMR) service that once you get some movement for your website/page after say 30-40 posts is there a saturation point with the sevice that any no more posts that you do will not push up the SERPs any more?

I've been using BMR for the last 2 months and have been using it for like 15 or so sites and after like 1 month and between 30-45 posts each of those sites that were ranking on the 2nd page move to the 1st page and some has made it all the way up to #2 spot. But I've noticed that when I've submitted more posts to these sites it just does not move the sites any more. I've had several just stop at the #2 or #3 spot and won't move up to the #1 spot.

So is there some point that any more posts does no good and it's just a waste of time and we should incorporate some other type of backlinks to get the sites to the #1 position?

Any feedback?

dp40oz · 01-22-2012, 03:10 PM

Its more about the difficulty for ranking the keyword, not so much about the posts being less effective. BMR usually will propel sites to a certain point because getting to that particular point was much easier to rank. So lets say you got to #3 for a keyword from 40 BMR posts and then you do another 100 or so and don't move. Its not that these new posts lost their effectiveness its just that those top 2 sites have a lot of link juice going to them.

Buyseech · 01-22-2012, 03:15 PM

You got from page 2. to #2...this is an amazing accomplishment, if done with BMR alone. You cannot expect BMR to do everything. If it was that easy, all the #1 spots will be filled with the "highest bidder".

I believe content and quality backlinks from reputable sources outweigh tiny BMR ants by a long shot. Even if you make hundreds of them, noone can guarantee you #1 or any increase in the comeptitive top 5 with backlinks alone

Lets not forget all of them are PR0 or even unranked.

Sincerely, Buyseech

thebitbotdotcom · 01-22-2012, 03:47 PM

Personally, I believe that you can move only so far without further diversifying your in-bound IPs.

Private networks have only so much power.

Maybe you could try using more than one network.

Just a theory.

mrtrance · 01-22-2012, 05:21 PM

Thanks guys for the input. Ya I was thinking to include some other backlinks now since I seem to have moved as far as I can with BMR. But for some of these sites they were #1 before the October Algo change and up to that time I had not used BMR at all and it was just a mix of articles, socialbookmarking,profiles,blog comments to get to that position. Then after the new algo hit, these sites started to drop a few spots every day or so until they got pushed to the 2nd page and stayed there until I implemented BMR on these sites.

These sites then started to move again and many are back in the top 5, but have not gotten their #1 rankings like before. The competitors are still the same ones and most are internal retail pages that aren't fully optimized for the keyword or have really made any new backlinks. Since I had beaten them before and got #1 rankings w/o BMR I would have thought by now I should have reclaimed that spot again with the included BMR posts and the aged links I had before.

I also include a linkpushing service as well to mix in the backlinks so I get web2.0, articles, other private network posts, etc., but they don't seem to climb any higher these days.

Any suggestions on which other network or service I can implement to really push these back to their #1 rankings again?

BigNorm · 01-22-2012, 05:43 PM

Id be interested to know how you get on with adding linkpushing.net to the mix as well. I'm thinking of combining the two as well and would like to know if it has had any significant effect on movement up or down.

TBInternetMarketing · 01-22-2012, 09:33 PM

Personally I haven't noticed this. I've thrown up a couple hundred links at some of my sites and they appear to climb steadily to page one.

danlew · 01-22-2012, 09:50 PM

It's still very effective even if you're having a certain number of posts. The more posts you submit to BMR, the more it helps your keyword to rank well in Google. It's a good thing that you've landed on the #2 spot from Page 2.

UMS · 01-22-2012, 09:57 PM

Keep in mind that depending on the keyword you are trying to rank, there maybe a HUGE difference in the backlinking effort needed to push your site from #2 to #1.

moneymoguls · 01-23-2012, 01:18 PM

I rank many keywords using BMR alone...some are #2.

mrtrance · 01-23-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moneymoguls

I rank many keywords using BMR alone...some are #2.

How many posts on average did it take to get to that position? And are you still submitting more posts and seeing more movement or not? Have you gotten any of your keywords to #1 spot say from page 2-3 with just BMR? For me I have several that just peaked at #2 and the more posts I do it just won't get to the #1 spot at all.

zabalex · 01-23-2012, 02:26 PM

Actually there is no hard and fast rule about number of back links, number of posts etc to get a specific spot in SERP. SERP is something that depends upon hundreds of factors.

If the keyword is too competitive it may take a bit more time to get to the top. It also depends upon if the site above you is doing the efforts to get the top spot. If someone is also working on the same keywords more effectively than you and is above you there is very less chances that you'll get the spot above him.

dminorfmajor · 01-23-2012, 03:15 PM

It could also to do with how many sites BMR has for that certain niche.

Let's say you have a race car niche. You use BMR for 35 posts and get to #4 for your desired keyword. Now, 25 posts later you're at 60 posts with no movement at all.

Use SEO Spyglass and see where these BMR links are coming from. If they're only coming from 2 sites then BMR may only have 2 sites related to your race car niche.

If that's the case then those 2 sites may be running low on "link juice" to give to your site. (in the eyes of Google) If you get 35 backlinks total from 2 sites and I get 35 backlinks total from 10 sites, I'm most likely going to be ranked higher using Google's algo.

On the other hand, if you check SEO Spyglass and you have backlinks from multiple domains using BMR and you're still stalled at #4 in the SERPs, then it's most likely an issue in how tough those top 3 spots are to rank for your keyword.

mrtrance · 01-23-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dminorfmajor

It could also to do with how many sites BMR has for that certain niche.

Let's say you have a race car niche. You use BMR for 35 posts and get to #4 for your desired keyword. Now, 25 posts later you're at 60 posts with no movement at all.

Use SEO Spyglass and see where these BMR links are coming from. If they're only coming from 2 sites then BMR may only have 2 sites related to your race car niche.

If that's the case then those 2 sites may be running low on "link juice" to give to your site. (in the eyes of Google) If you get 35 backlinks total from 2 sites and I get 35 backlinks total from 10 sites, I'm most likely going to be ranked higher using Google's algo.

On the other hand, if you check SEO Spyglass and you have backlinks from multiple domains using BMR and you're still stalled at #4 in the SERPs, then it's most likely an issue in how tough those top 3 spots are to rank for your keyword.

But before the whole October Algo fiasco these sites were ranking #1 without BMR backlinks. They just had a variety of backlinks from articles, web 2.0s, blog comments, profile links, .edu/.gov., etc. So I know I can outrank the other sites on the first page and these sites are mostly the same ones as before just regular retails sites with an internal page that aren't really optimized like mine and I doubt they did as much backlinking for the same keyword in the last 3-4 months.

So I would have thought that throwing in a mix of contextual backlinks from BMR would really get them back to the top spot by now since some of these have over 60 posts now, but they just seem to stall at like #4-#7 positions now.

So I think you might be right about the whole diversity of links from BMR. Maybe I'm not getting enough variety of sites and that is why they aren't moving any further because I don't think it's the competition doing anything better or more than me.

ralekson · 02-19-2012, 06:37 PM

I think BMR got overloaded in Dec and Jan with too many users and many posts never got indexed, despite what they say. It is either that, or other posts in the network started falling off....I had steady climbs in links and IPs thru the beginning of Dec, and then efforts in Jan and Feb, 10 per/day per site, did not increase my # of BLs. It seems that one week all of your posts will get indexed, and the next week nothing....

BMR is suspect to me right now, but has worked quite well for me over the past 6 months.

As far as rankings, I think part of the algorithm will not let you go higher than a certain spot, based on age and market you are ranking for.

Just a guess, like everyone else.

Thomas Strock · 02-19-2012, 08:37 PM

I don't think that once you reach a certain amount of posts, they don't become as powerful. However, you should diversify your link building so that you are not JUST using BMR. BMR is great for ranking for low and medium competition keywords and can sometimes be used by itself for these keywords. However, for more competitive keywords, I definitely recommend using BMR along with other link building methods. I personally like using the combination of BMR and Unique Article Wizard. Another good combination is BMR and My Article Network. Hope this helps!

01-22-2012, 03:15 PM	#3
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01-22-2012, 05:21 PM	#5
mrtrance Advanced Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 603 Thanks: 3 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? Thanks guys for the input. Ya I was thinking to include some other backlinks now since I seem to have moved as far as I can with BMR. But for some of these sites they were #1 before the October Algo change and up to that time I had not used BMR at all and it was just a mix of articles, socialbookmarking,profiles,blog comments to get to that position. Then after the new algo hit, these sites started to drop a few spots every day or so until they got pushed to the 2nd page and stayed there until I implemented BMR on these sites. These sites then started to move again and many are back in the top 5, but have not gotten their #1 rankings like before. The competitors are still the same ones and most are internal retail pages that aren't fully optimized for the keyword or have really made any new backlinks. Since I had beaten them before and got #1 rankings w/o BMR I would have thought by now I should have reclaimed that spot again with the included BMR posts and the aged links I had before. I also include a linkpushing service as well to mix in the backlinks so I get web2.0, articles, other private network posts, etc., but they don't seem to climb any higher these days. Any suggestions on which other network or service I can implement to really push these back to their #1 rankings again?

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01-22-2012, 09:50 PM	#8
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01-22-2012, 02:38 PM	#1
mrtrance Advanced Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 603 Thanks: 3 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? I wanted to find out from that use Build My Rank (BMR) service that once you get some movement for your website/page after say 30-40 posts is there a saturation point with the sevice that any no more posts that you do will not push up the SERPs any more? I've been using BMR for the last 2 months and have been using it for like 15 or so sites and after like 1 month and between 30-45 posts each of those sites that were ranking on the 2nd page move to the 1st page and some has made it all the way up to #2 spot. But I've noticed that when I've submitted more posts to these sites it just does not move the sites any more. I've had several just stop at the #2 or #3 spot and won't move up to the #1 spot. So is there some point that any more posts does no good and it's just a waste of time and we should incorporate some other type of backlinks to get the sites to the #1 position? Any feedback?

01-22-2012, 03:10 PM	#2
dp40oz Full Control SEO War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 896 Thanks: 10 Thanked 142 Times in 105 Posts	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? Its more about the difficulty for ranking the keyword, not so much about the posts being less effective. BMR usually will propel sites to a certain point because getting to that particular point was much easier to rank. So lets say you got to #3 for a keyword from 40 BMR posts and then you do another 100 or so and don't move. Its not that these new posts lost their effectiveness its just that those top 2 sites have a lot of link juice going to them.

01-22-2012, 09:33 PM	#7
TBInternetMarketing Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In your PC Posts: 2,075 Thanks: 83 Thanked 789 Times in 234 Posts	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? Personally I haven't noticed this. I've thrown up a couple hundred links at some of my sites and they appear to climb steadily to page one.

01-22-2012, 09:57 PM	#9
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01-23-2012, 02:26 PM	#12
zabalex SEO Strategist Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? Actually there is no hard and fast rule about number of back links, number of posts etc to get a specific spot in SERP. SERP is something that depends upon hundreds of factors. If the keyword is too competitive it may take a bit more time to get to the top. It also depends upon if the site above you is doing the efforts to get the top spot. If someone is also working on the same keywords more effectively than you and is above you there is very less chances that you'll get the spot above him.
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01-23-2012, 03:15 PM	#13
dminorfmajor HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 403 Thanks: 46 Thanked 40 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? It could also to do with how many sites BMR has for that certain niche. Let's say you have a race car niche. You use BMR for 35 posts and get to #4 for your desired keyword. Now, 25 posts later you're at 60 posts with no movement at all. Use SEO Spyglass and see where these BMR links are coming from. If they're only coming from 2 sites then BMR may only have 2 sites related to your race car niche. If that's the case then those 2 sites may be running low on "link juice" to give to your site. (in the eyes of Google) If you get 35 backlinks total from 2 sites and I get 35 backlinks total from 10 sites, I'm most likely going to be ranked higher using Google's algo. On the other hand, if you check SEO Spyglass and you have backlinks from multiple domains using BMR and you're still stalled at #4 in the SERPs, then it's most likely an issue in how tough those top 3 spots are to rank for your keyword.
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02-19-2012, 06:37 PM	#15
ralekson Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? I think BMR got overloaded in Dec and Jan with too many users and many posts never got indexed, despite what they say. It is either that, or other posts in the network started falling off....I had steady climbs in links and IPs thru the beginning of Dec, and then efforts in Jan and Feb, 10 per/day per site, did not increase my # of BLs. It seems that one week all of your posts will get indexed, and the next week nothing.... BMR is suspect to me right now, but has worked quite well for me over the past 6 months. As far as rankings, I think part of the algorithm will not let you go higher than a certain spot, based on age and market you are ranking for. Just a guess, like everyone else.

02-19-2012, 08:37 PM	#16
Thomas Strock Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Pennsylvania, United States Posts: 54 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Build My Rank no longer effective after certain number of posts? I don't think that once you reach a certain amount of posts, they don't become as powerful. However, you should diversify your link building so that you are not JUST using BMR. BMR is great for ranking for low and medium competition keywords and can sometimes be used by itself for these keywords. However, for more competitive keywords, I definitely recommend using BMR along with other link building methods. I personally like using the combination of BMR and Unique Article Wizard. Another good combination is BMR and My Article Network. Hope this helps!