Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links!

[Isabella86]

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

[domainmadness]

Same here, just got those messages. Anyone else has experience this in past and any tips how to proceed. I got this for most of my sites, even the ones I havent bought/done seo jobs in like 6 months. My sites are still indexed and still has rankings, though I am guessing that unfortunately might change soon.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by Isabella86

Hi I wondered if anyone could help me out! We're a web design company who have been outsourcing SEO for some of our clients. We've been using a freelance SEO consultant over the course of the last year, but today we've had a notice from Google for a large number of our sites which goes as follows:

"Dear site owner or webmaster of (our site),

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team"

I wondered if anyone has any advice on why this might have happened? Or what we can do do fix it? Thank you so much in advance!!!! X

If you don't know what your SEO guy is doing as far as building links, how do you expect anyone else to know?

[videolover7]

That's what happens when you "game" the system. Eventually you get caught.

You can bet Google is working hard to uncover unnatural links. Should be interesting to hear folks scream when Google figures out who's running link farms... and all those links go away too.

VL

[dsbusiness23]

Isabella86, have your rankings been affected? domainmadness, You mention that you received notices to all of your sites? Have you been buying links? Or are you currently a member of any link exchanges?

[domainmadness]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Isabella86, have your rankings been affected? domainmadness, You mention that you received notices to all of your sites? Have you been buying links? Or are you currently a member of any link exchanges?

I got the message for MOST of my sites, not all. I have a outsourced my SEO, not sure what is counted as buying links? Im not part of any link exchanges.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by domainmadness

I got the message for MOST of my sites, not all. I have a outsourced my SEO, not sure what is counted as buying links? Im not part of any link exchanges.

Who did you hire & what type of links did they build?

How did they build the links?

Need more info.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by yukon

Who did you hire & what type of links did they build?

How did they build the links?

Need more info.

Like Yukon said, we need some more information to help you. I assume this will be the last month you pay that SEO consultant lol

Its sad though.

[domainmadness]

I dont have exact details atm, but building strategy should be diversified and "professional", not like buying bunch of fiver gigs. Also, I have sites that did not get a warning, which are using same kind of SEO/backlink strategy. So it seems bit weird and unconsistent. Don't know what to think and how to react. Firing my SEO guy/guys would be too soon I think. Also, Im reading around the net and many people are getting this lately.

[UMS]

Given that you probably pay good money to your SEO person, get them to detail exactly the methods they are using to gain the backlinks.

If they can't or won't provide you with the information, then you have a problem with them that needs sorting out ASAP.

[yukon]

Since your sites are still indexed, I would delete the GWT verification code on the site, delete the GWT profile for the site, clear the browser history, log back in & submit the same site again to GWT.

Test a single site in GWT & see what happens, does the message come back after a few days/weeks?

Still, you need to know 100% what types of links your SEO guy is building.

[linkbuildr]

Stop buying "link building" from vendors on here..it's all low quality spam spam spam. If you're building links and they're not naturally given then Google is going to determine that as against their TOS.

[Duncan]

It is never to early to fire anyone doing crap work. If they are harming your business they need to be fired. And should pay you cash back for the damages.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by UMS

Given that you probably pay good money to your SEO person, get them to detail exactly the methods they are using to gain the backlinks.

If they can't or won't provide you with the information, then you have a problem with them that needs sorting out ASAP.

Agree with this completely. Find out exactly how they are building your links. Find out what sites they are using and tools. How fast they building them. Any good SEO service provider should be able to detail this for you.

I was going to also ask you how your ranks are since receiving the notice. Also was it an email you received or in webmaster tools?

[Genesis1]

It gets harder to rank nowadays with google. it's just not stable anymore

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by Genesis1

It gets harder to rank nowadays with google. it's just not stable anymore

I think it's getting easier to rank honestly. With the amount of people giving up on SEO altogether. It's just also a lot easier to make a mistake and fail.

[Fernando Veloso]

No one here can help.

Period.

Harm is done, and UNLESS you can go out and remove a kazillion backlinks, you'll suffer a penalty/filter.

More: Google is so hateful toward IM'ers that sites with less then 10 backlinks received that same message/warning. So... even people with no SEO in place got hammered by this "dominating" attitude from Google.

What amazes me is those sites that sell airline tickets (for a huge commission) - they spam the hell out of Google everyday, they create lot's of backdoor pages, and YET, they rank top 3 for all their keywords.

Google loves them, go figure...

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

No one here can help.

Period.

Harm is done, and UNLESS you can go out and remove a kazillion backlinks, you'll suffer a penalty/filter.

More: Google is so hateful toward IM'ers that sites with less then 10 backlinks received that same message/warning. So... even people with no SEO in place got hammered by this "dominating" attitude from Google.

What amazes me is those sites that sell airline tickets (for a huge commission) - they spam the hell out of Google everyday, they create lot's of backdoor pages, and YET, they rank top 3 for all their keywords.

Google loves them, go figure...

Did you get hit with one of these notices? I agree about Google hating internet marketers, even though that is what they are too when you think about it, at least that's where they came from. That is sad that even sites with just 10 links got hit.

I wonder what big name companies had to deal with it. Is this JC Penny scandal all over again?

[Fernando Veloso]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Did you get hit with one of these notices?

Yes, last year.

That is sad that even sites with just 10 links got hit.

Google seemed to take a % of sites inside webmasters tools - including sites with a couple backlinks. Not all of these sites had "weird" backlink profile, but since ONE had it... the others got hit too.

Awesome, huh?

I wonder what big name companies had to deal with it. Is this JC Penny scandal all over again?

Big companies get a "yellow card" and they get back after a couple months - but the small guy gets hit for one/two years.

Do a search and see what happened last year, lot's of sites got nuked.

[yukon]

Lol, why do people take Google SERPs so personal?

[domainmadness]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

Agree with this completely. Find out exactly how they are building your links. Find out what sites they are using and tools. How fast they building them. Any good SEO service provider should be able to detail this for you.

I was going to also ask you how your ranks are since receiving the notice. Also was it an email you received or in webmaster tools?

My rankings and traffic has not changed, yet. I received it in WMT.

I have multiple SEO providers, others provides full reports, others not, and Im fine with that and kind of understand the reasons. I have contacted both of my main SEO guys and trying to figure this out. Havent heard back from other one yet and dont know what he thinks about this.

Other one has a lot of clients and only had 1 other client having this message, and that was also today. We both have at least one thing common, same, non-english language.

Also, like I said, this is happening to many sites lately.

It is never to early to fire anyone doing crap work. If they are harming your business they need to be fired. And should pay you cash back for the damages.

I dont believe this is right way to look at it with the information I have at the moment. I know that probably some of the links my seo providers are building might be considered spammy depending the way you look at it, but to be honest, it is how it is. You cant rank without breaking Googles guidelines.

Also, not all my sites (which has same SEO provider) received a warning. Also, like I said this is happening a lot to other webmasters too lately.

[retsek]

Why are you here asking for help. Google tells you exactly what you need to do to fix it.

- DON'T go and delete the sites now from WMT. That's just dumb and accomplishes nothing. You think deleting the site will delete the data Google holds for it? No.
- Go to this url. File a reconsideration request. https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...deration?hl=en. Within 1-2 weeks, it will be read by a Human.
- In the request, you say that you hired an "SEO company and you didn't realise that the work they were doing would be outside Google's guidelines". Mention the company name and web address if possible.
- You then state you have done since to clean up the site and remove the un-natural links created by the seo company. Something along the lines of instructing the said SEO company to remove the links they created, and also removing as much as possible yourself.
- Obviously you're not gonna be able to remove all. Google just needs to see that you're making an effort.
- If the request is denied, work on removing more and file again.
- I would abandon a site at a third failed request and do a 301 redirect to a new domain.

[Jordan Kovats]

Don't you get a report from your Guy? If so, you need to spot check some of the work. It is no longer about thousands of links in my opinion...there needs to be some quality in there. I have always said, 1 good quality link beats a thousand crappy links ANY day.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Yes, last year.


Google seemed to take a % of sites inside webmasters tools - including sites with a couple backlinks. Not all of these sites had "weird" backlink profile, but since ONE had it... the others got hit too.

Awesome, huh?


Big companies get a "yellow card" and they get back after a couple months - but the small guy gets hit for one/two years.

Do a search and see what happened last year, lot's of sites got nuked.

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

[cssitkt]

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

[hdalive]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

Thats some answer. Google Analytics and webmaster tools are very important tools for your website to analyze site traffic, ranking keywords, pages getting high CPM or CPC and to figure out bad links.

Google panda detects article submission as unwanted link building along with unnecessary auto blog commenting.

[cssitkt]

Originally Posted by cssitkt

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

Typing mistake while searching - my sites are still indexed. The main effect is that non of my keywords now rank at all and I had 120 that were in the top 5 on Google spread across several sites.

Also for folks implying that this can only happen to those that use google webmaster tools or similar - i simple don't believe that. Google webmaster tools is simple where the 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected' message is posted. Do you really think the google will not do anything to your site because you don't use google webmaster tools!?

[dean1986]

hmm, I got the same message, the funny thing is, I only got it for website im using BUildmyrank on,

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.
If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

My rankings have not moved yet but im guessing over the next few weeks they will fluctuate.

[slix]

Originally Posted by cssitkt

All of my sites just got hit and have been de-indexed. The ones linked to google webmaster tools have this message: 'Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected'

Most of the links to my sites were private blog networks with PR home pages. The other types of links were added mainly for variation. I never used Senuke X, AMR, Xrumer or Scrapebox - not directly to my site anyway. The anchor texts were varied and all of my sites had at least PR3.

The common statement - backlinks can't harm you because competitors would be able to hurt is simple not true.

I think it's game over folks.

This has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tool, but with PR home page backlinks. A couple of days ago google deindex most of blog networks made for home page links renting and people who relied on this backlink method exclusively got hit very bad.

Slix

[cssitkt]

Originally Posted by slix

This has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tool, but with PR home page backlinks. A couple of days ago google deindex most of blog networks made for home page links renting and people who relied on this backlink method exclusively got hit very bad.

Slix

Agreed it has nothing to do with Google Webmaster Tools - this is simple were they post the message:

"Google Webmaster Tools notice of unnatural links detected...please submit your site for reconsideration"

Thousands of sites appear to have been hit over the weekend.

I never had home page PR links mainly blog posts from private blog networks but i've heard of it happening to so many sites there doesn't appear to one culprit.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by hdalive

Thats some answer. Google Analytics and webmaster tools are very important tools for your website to analyze site traffic, ranking keywords, pages getting high CPM or CPC and to figure out bad links.

Google panda detects article submission as unwanted link building along with unnecessary auto blog commenting.

Webmaster tools and analytics allow Google to punish all of your sites. I am not saying you wouldn't be penalized because you don't use webmaster tools but you wouldn't be leaving yourself open to mass penalties across all sites. Google has been known to punish entire webmaster and analytics accounts. Its just safer. There are many ways to analyze traffic rather then analytics and webmaster tools. I actually prefer a few other methods over them.

[GGpaul]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Webmaster tools and analytics allow Google to punish all of your sites. I am not saying you wouldn't be penalized because you don't use webmaster tools but you wouldn't be leaving yourself open to mass penalties across all sites. Google has been known to punish entire webmaster and analytics accounts. Its just safer. There are many ways to analyze traffic rather then analytics and webmaster tools. I actually prefer a few other methods over them.

Well then wouldn't that be the case if I were to use Google Adsense too? It's all linked together.

And besides, my site is indexed it's in Google, it's in the web. It's the big G. "God" in the internet world. I mean, I don't think it really matters whether you use analytics this or that, they know either way.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Well then wouldn't that be the case if I were to use Google Adsense too? It's all linked together.

And besides, my site is indexed it's in Google, it's in the web. It's the big G. "God" in the internet world. I mean, I don't think it really matters whether you use analytics this or that, they know either way.

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

[GGpaul]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

I see. Well I haven't gone to that point yet, but I get what you're saying. Thanks!

[ChrisJohn]

A couple weeks back a partner of mine resubmitted his site after receiving this notice in his Webmaster Tools account. Within a week or so things were back to normal. That being said, make sure your reconsideration request is as detailed as possible.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Well yes if you are tying all of your sites to the same adsense account. But I didn't assume that everyone was doing that. If you wanna play with fire and game the system (which I do for living I might add) then be smart about it. I just don't get the logic of some people. By using blog networks, Senuke, Xrumer ect.. you are trying to manipulate Google. So you are gaming their algo. But then you decide to give them full access to all of your information. It'd be the equivalent of robbing from Chase, then depositing all the money you stole into a Chase bank account.

If you are serious SEO then you need to cover your a$$. Don't tie all of your sites to one Adsense account, don't give Google access to your traffic information and onpage user interaction through Analytics and don't use Webmaster tools. Don't use the same hosting account for everyone of your sites, don't use the same whois information for all of your sites. If you are dealing with 1-2 sites then whatever it doesn't really matter, but I am boggled by people with 10+ sites who still have them all so easily identifiable by Google. It just leaves you open to lose everything in 1 swoop. Why make it so easy for them to ruin your business.

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

[studlee46]

One of my sites got hit too. No message in GWT but the homepage stopped ranking for anything competitive. It's still indexed and sub pages rank on pages 3+. The homepage has come back to the first page a few times, (but not where it was). It's only stayed at most a day then bam, gone again. It's been about 4 days now and hoping that it is a dance or some kind of shuffling.

[dp40oz]

Originally Posted by yukon

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

True, but thats why you open separate businesses for different groups of sites and have them run different adsense accounts. Or like me, start realizing that there are better ways to monetize then with Adsense and move on.

Yukon you yourself have admitted to using BMR which is an obvious ploy to game the system. Now I think if Google decided to punish you for it its easier when you only have a few sites to condone using Google tools like analytics and webmaster tools. If they did punish you you can file for reconsideration and just try and clean up those bmr posts. But for guys with many sites its just not smart to give Google anymore information about your sites then you need to.

I don't get why people would ever use analytics personally. Google doesn't even show you all keywords incoming anymore. There are way better trackers. Webmaster tools I can see but not for anyone with a a big website portfolio.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

True, but thats why you open separate businesses for different groups of sites and have them run different adsense accounts. Or like me, start realizing that there are better ways to monetize then with Adsense and move on.

Yukon you yourself have admitted to using BMR which is an obvious ploy to game the system. Now I think if Google decided to punish you for it its easier when you only have a few sites to condone using Google tools like analytics and webmaster tools. If they did punish you you can file for reconsideration and just try and clean up those bmr posts. But for guys with many sites its just not smart to give Google anymore information about your sites then you need to.

I don't get why people would ever use analytics personally. Google doesn't even show you all keywords incoming anymore. There are way better trackers. Webmaster tools I can see but not for anyone with a a big website portfolio.

I've never had any problem with BMR style links, so I don't worry about that.

As far as GWT, I use it, but that is by far the crappiest tool Google has ever made. The GWT data is always way behind, at least it is for all my sites. I might remove my sites from GWT but only because it doesn't serve much purpose since the data is most times outdated with the real SERPs.

I run Adsense so I already know G is tracking traffic, links, whatever...

I use GA because it lets me track Adsense earnings per individual page, no other tool can do do that. With GA I know the exact source of the incoming traffic that earned X amount of money on each page, again no other tool can do that.

Anyone that is running Adsense on their pages is ony fooling themselves If they think Google isn't tracking everything that happens on that Adsense page. You can bet Adsense is the king of tracking data, Adsense is Googles cash cow, I guarantee they won't let their guard down on that.

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by yukon

I've never had any problem with BMR style links, so I don't worry about that.

As far as GWT, I use it, but that is by far the crappiest tool Google has ever made. The GWT data is always way behind, at least it is for all my sites. I might remove my sites from GWT but only because it doesn't serve much purpose since the data is most times outdated with the real SERPs.

I run Adsense so I already know G is tracking traffic, links, whatever...

I use GA because it lets me track Adsense earnings per individual page, no other tool can do do that. With GA I know the exact source of the incoming traffic that earned X amount of money on each page, again no other tool can do that.

Anyone that is running Adsense on their pages is ony fooling themselves If they think Google isn't tracking everything that happens on that Adsense page. You can bet Adsense is the king of tracking data, Adsense is Googles cash cow, I guarantee they won't let their guard down on that.

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

I do not think that GWT is useless. It can easily help you create robot.txt files. You can check the links that Google knows point to your site (hate that it won't tell you do or nofollow though) I use SEO powersuite, but finding backlinks with it has been super slow for me lately. Anyone else having these issues?

Matt Cutts claims that what is in GWT is very accurate about how Google see's your site. Understand I am not one who advocates that Google is not lying when they come out with updates. Indeed I feel most of the time they are. However GWT does in fact let you a little bit into the mind of Google and you don't have to have all your sites on just one account.

Has anyone even considered that by having your site linked to GWT you might be seen as more authoritative once your website really gets going?

[yukon]

Originally Posted by dsbusiness23

I do not think that GWT is useless. It can easily help you create robot.txt files. You can check the links that Google knows point to your site (hate that it won't tell you do or nofollow though

They don't show you a lot of the links in GWT that they know about.

Check some of your backlinks that don't show in GWT & have a Google cache on the backlink/page. If the page is cached G knows about the backlink, even If they don't show that link in GWT. Just saying.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by yukon

Bottom line, running Adsense on a page is the equivalent to running GA.

Are you sure? Adsense is run by the Adsense team, which as we all know, does not interact with the Webspam team at all. The Webspam team has access to Analytics and Webmaster tools accounts, but not Adsense accounts.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by yukon

They don't show you a lot of the links in GWT that they know about.

Check some of your backlinks that don't show in GWT & have a Google cache on the backlink/page. If the page is cached G knows about the backlink, even If they don't show that link in GWT. Just saying.

Would not be the first time, at least in my opinion that Matt Cutts has lied about what Google does. I do feel that there is some use to GWT. I have heard good arguments from top marketers about using it and why ypu shouldn't so it seems to be a preference,.. if you are planning on doing a bunch of spam blasts all the time, then I would not recommend using GWT

But I don't recommend that approach at all either.

[deezn]

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Never use Webmaster Tools or Analytics. You're asking for trouble.

I've removed the big eye of Sauron from my websites.

[dsbusiness23]

Originally Posted by deeznuts

I've removed the big eye of Sauron from my websites.

LOL this is great! Who knew I'd be checking out the warriorforum today and I'd see someone post a LOTR reference. Thanks for the laughs

[multifactorguru]

A lot of good information in this thread however the fact is that SEO is different for everyone since we all target different verticals and all utilize different efforts.

Personally though paying an SEO consultant is asking for trouble.

[yukon]

Originally Posted by RayW

Are you sure? Adsense is run by the Adsense team, which as we all know, does not interact with the Webspam team at all. The Webspam team has access to Analytics and Webmaster tools accounts, but not Adsense accounts.

No we all don't know that, lol.

I bet my last nickel Adsense accounts deliver more data to Google than our Ga accounts show us.

This is a billion dollar business (Google), not some new CPA startup running out of some guys kitchen.

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

[cagliostro]

Originally Posted by yukon

I bet my last nickel Adsense accounts deliver more data to Google than our Ga accounts show us.

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

Maybe so. But Yukon still some data will not be revealed to Google. For example every Fiverr i was buying, i was seing a log (in the software recent visits) that was VERY clear what it was (I Fiverr guy dealing with my order, like Fivver/orders/someguy/). And other information also.

Better safe than sorry. I have removed GA from most websites the last week and see if anything changes.

[RayW]

Originally Posted by yukon

No we all don't know that, lol.

Well, it's true. When Google updated their algo to penalize rankings for having too many ads above the fold, the Adsense team sent out an email to publishers telling them to put more ads above the fold lol. Many top-earning adsense earners who have spoken to Adsense representatives have asked them and they have all said that the adsense team does not interact at all with the webspam team.

Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, that Adsense page will deliver any data Google wants to see. Doesn't matter If your running GA or not.

Have any evidence to back that up?

[Cantbedone!]

Originally Posted by yukon

Thing is not everyone blast the he$$ out of their sites with spammy links.

I've had all my sites hooked up to GA & GWT for years & seriously never worried what Google is looking at on those sites data. Granted I now have only a few larger sites (cleaned house), but my site inventory is constantly changing.

If a guy runs Adsense I just don't understand their logic that they can hide what they are doing with their sites while Adsense is on their pages, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Agreed. If you are using Adsense across multiple sites, then your sites are already linked regardless of whether or not you use Analytics or WMT. Also I thought that having multiple Adsense accounts was a direct violation of Adsense TOS. How do you get around that? Open a bunch of LLC's or DBA's? Use your cousins names?