SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster Kill Your Sites?

[boxoun]

seolinkmonster caused a few of my urls to slip and one webmaster tools notice of unnatural links. It is for a cancer site that I really had ethical issues with anyways so I dont care about it. It still ranks but I'm guessing it will tank soon?

Also, how do you suggest to try to recover the other urls that I do care about?

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by boxoun

Also, how do you suggest to try to recover the other urls that I do care about?

Here is a thread over at Traffic Planet that goes into penalties. It will give you an idea of what is happening: RELAX: Truth about SERP Penalties and Ranking Drops - Traffic Planet

There are also various other threads that are hot right now about the recent penalties. You should read them! Although, most people are not seen any sort of recovery unfortunately!

[cc422]

I signed up for SEOLinkmonster and apparently within a few days on of my main sites was flagged by google webmaster tools for linking patterns.

I contacted SEO_LM immediately and their response to me was

- don't change what you're doing
- don't respond to Google it will make it worse
- it wasn't us this has been going around since the summer

I don't write spammy articles - its all to educate but I was at least smart enough to publish unique articles on that network so I know that what I saw was from what was published on their network. One posting generated hundreds of links by not only getting the url where the post was listed but generating those additional link by adding ?something-here after the / which of course looks suspicious.

I was fooled thinking having the Callen name on it made it trustworthy.

The sites are dropping out of searches and I know I will just keep on building links from various places as always - I just feel a huge sense of lose in the trust extended to even the heavy hitting marketers who had me on their lists.

[cssitkt]

When the penalty includes a message from Google, posted in Webmaster Tools, that includes the text: 'please submit your site for reconsideration’ I don't believe that simply waiting or building more links will resolve the issue.

For those stating that the penalty will disappear after 30 to 90 days I have seen no evidence of this at all.

[cssitkt]

Originally Posted by cc422

- don't change what you're doing
- don't respond to Google it will make it worse
- it wasn't us this has been going around since the summer

That's the most desperate message I've seen in a while.

1. "don't change what you're doing" as if anyone in their right mind will keep using SEO Link Monster!

2. "don't respond to Google it will make it worse" If you have that message from Google can things really get any worse?

3. "it wasn't us" lol

[pjman]

I just dropped SEOLM too! Last time I use a blog network for links.

[JayC81]

I mentioned this on a different post, but I figured this one could use it too since there are similar comments... If it were me, and I was so sure that one system could decrease my rankings, then the absolutely first thing I would do is add ALL of my competitors sites to it.

I don't think google works that way though. I'm not saying I know for sure or not, but if it were that easy to "decrease rankings" then there's no reason that you couldn't do the exact same thing to all of your competitors, start seeing their sites decrease in rankings, and then slowly see yours increase (due to their decreasing). This is why I feel that there's probably a lot more to the story, in terms of what Google is seeing.

i know this comment doesn't have to do with link monster, but is there any reason why you have your website in google webmaster to begin with?

That's like telling google... "Hey, please constantly look at the link building that I'm doing, no matter how small or large. Oh, and while you're at it, make sure that you put my site on your radar in case I want to do any sort of seo."

Yeah, they have some neat features in their interface, but in my opinion it just raises a red flag to google because they have an eye for your site. Maybe I'm wrong or just overly cautious when it comes to seo (since no matter what seo you're doing, it's always there to be "unnatural" and trying to "beat google". that's the whole point of seo, no matter how white hat or black hat it is).... so why give google any reason what so ever to put your site on their radar? just sayin... this is why I keep my sites out of google webmaster and google analytics.

off my high horse now and back to work.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by JayC81

i know this comment doesn't have to do with link monster, but is there any reason why you have your website in google webmaster to begin with?

That's like telling google... "Hey, please constantly look at the link building that I'm doing, no matter how small or large. Oh, and while you're at it, make sure that you put my site on your radar in case I want to do any sort of seo."

Yeah, they have some neat features in their interface, but in my opinion it just raises a red flag to google because they have an eye for your site. Maybe I'm wrong or just overly cautious when it comes to seo (since no matter what seo you're doing, it's always there to be "unnatural" and trying to "beat google". that's the whole point of seo, no matter how white hat or black hat it is).... so why give google any reason what so ever to put your site on their radar? just sayin... this is why I keep my sites out of google webmaster and google analytics.

off my high horse now and back to work.

Yes, you are wrong. Google can see your incoming links and knows what you are doing whether you have Webmaster Tools installed or not.

When people suggest not using GWT or Google Analytics is when you have multiple sites and linking the same GWT or GA account to all of those sites. If Google decides they do not like something about one of your sites, you just gave them a clean roadmap to other sites belonging to you that probably have similar or the same activities going on.

[JayC81]

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Yes, you are wrong. Google can see your incoming links and knows what you are doing whether you have Webmaster Tools installed or not.

Yeah, I agree. They can see anyone's incoming links if they want to. I'm just saying that adding your site to google webmaster's gives them a "headstart" on the sites to auto-check incoming links to. It's like wearing a dark t-shirt in a crowd of all white shirts. It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first. Again, none of us know this for sure, and I'll be the first to say that... but I'm mentioning it because I've had past experiences with sites in webmasters compared to sites that are not.

Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."

I mean, really? why would you ever "tell on yourself" if you're doing seo? haha.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by JayC81

It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first.

If that were true, then you would WANT to use GWT because it would mean you could rank faster, since they are looking at your site first.

Originally Posted by JayC81

Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."

Just because you do not get a personal message in GWT, does not mean that they are not taking the same action against you. Without GWT, you just do not get a notification of it.

[boxoun]

I beleive it is from having links from a lot of deindexed sites that are causing the problem. Get you refund now while you still can. Best advice in this thread!

[Derek Blandford]

Unfortunately, I can't speak good of SEOLinkMonster either.

The first few days I used it, the results were awesome. My sites moved up after nearly every post. But then the hammer came down.

I kept getting told that some sites got deindexed, but they were quickly replaced. I was even told my "group" was the one that got de-indexed and was then told I got moved to a new group.

But the results have remained the same. Ever since those first few days I can't find any of my articles in Google doing a quotes search for the title. (e.g. "Article Title") If they were indexed, I should be able to find them that way.

I just keep getting told "it takes time to get sites indexed"....what a bunch of bull! Even when I start a brand new site with a brand new post, Google finds and indexes it within 72 hours max without me doing anything. So these blog network sites that get lots of posts regularly should be getting indexed almost immediately..and definitely within just a few days.

I don't buy the whole "it can take 7-10 days to get indexed". Maybe back in the good ole days, but these days Google finds new content extremely fast...even on new sites.

I also have never received any update or admin email since the day I joined. Is anyone out there? What's going on with the program? Why are these issues not addressed to the whole membership?

There's enough negative press that you'd think the admins would want to explain what's going on.

Honestly, I'm not sure why this network is still open. Clearly they have been hit and hit HARD.

I don't think I've read anything from anyone who is happy thus far with SEO Link Monster...although I realize in forums it's usually the people who are unhappy about something that actually post about it.

I also must say Dori was good about being in touch with me and issuing me a refund. I just wish it would of worked out different.

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by Derek Blandford

There's enough negative press that you'd think the admins would want to explain what's going on.

They to busy issuing refunds and trying to replace deindexed domains.

[technog33k]

Originally Posted by Eleva8

They to busy issuing refunds and trying to replace deindexed domains.

I contacted SEOlinkmonster on 2 separate occasions on Sunday and have posted several times in this thread and I still have not heard a word from them at all.

I did manage to get a refund though but had to go through Clickbank to get it. I cannot believe that they could not be bothered to even attempt some sort of reply. Anyway, I got my money back but unfortunately 3 sites got the unnatural linking WMT message.

I just noticed that ALN have posted a message here on WF saying their network has been hit pretty hard in the last week. At least they are honest about it and are willing to admit they are having problems.

[mosthost]

At least ALN didn't pay for all the domains that got dropped. Imagine paying for 5,000 domains and watching them all dropped.

[nik0]

Does anyone know what will happen with these 5000 deindexed blogs? I assume ALN will take them out of the network but will the users who submitted the sites delete all the content on the sites so we don't have our links at deindexed sites?

[Cataclysm1987]

Google is getting super strict. Link schemes are the last to fall.

[Maz945]

Yep alas I used SEOLM and had good results. Then e-mail from Google about unnatural links, then noticed all the de-indexing, and then cancelled my account. I guess the same is happening with SEOLV as well. It looks as if Mr Callen's cash cow has fled.

I also use UAW? Anyone had problems with them?

[cssitkt]

SEOLM could be be onto something here. I've heard of more people penalized using there network than anybody else's. Just change the name to SEO Competitor Monster.

[jhauer]

In an attempt to be fair, I was issued a full refund only one day after cancelling membership and requesting full refund. The refund was issued my SEOLM without my going through Click Bank. They refunded all fees I paid to them. (Intro $47 plus 1 month membership) They also responded to my support ticket within 12 hours. They explained that some of their sites were deindexed as a result of a member spilling the beans to Google. Props to them for quick and full refund.

[megadanny1]

This thread and others explaining how networks were deindexed have put me off signing up to any networks or buying any badly spun articles, it seems that all the networks leave some sort of footprint that is tracable by Big G
it would be ok if the content was good quality but it seems most of the networks just use badly spun content

[retsek]

Originally Posted by JayC81

Yeah, I agree. They can see anyone's incoming links if they want to. I'm just saying that adding your site to google webmaster's gives them a "headstart" on the sites to auto-check incoming links to. It's like wearing a dark t-shirt in a crowd of all white shirts. It's not that google can't see the incoming links of the other sites, because they easily can. But the sites in google webmaster are the ones they take a look at first. Again, none of us know this for sure, and I'll be the first to say that... but I'm mentioning it because I've had past experiences with sites in webmasters compared to sites that are not.

Plus, if your site is not in google webmaster, then they have no way to send you the message "We're detecting unnatural links on your site. Please tell us what you're doing."

I mean, really? why would you ever "tell on yourself" if you're doing seo? haha.

what a bunch of bull****. i hope no one reads the above and believes it.

[bbncu]

Just a newbie question, how does seo link monster work? Is it the same as ALN? Spun content? Seems like they got hit pretty hard....

[boxoun]

Can't tell you how it worked but I can tell you why I didn't work.
No pr. No categories. No moderation. Same themes. Download urls.

[cssitkt]

I just had a look at SEOLM website and it looks like they're still signing people up and taking their money!!

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by cssitkt

I just had a look at SEOLM website and it looks like they're still signing people up and taking their money!!

These people are the lowest of the low! Despicable!

[Maz945]

Originally Posted by MrToad

I notice the scum at SEOLM have yet to reply on any public forum about the con they've performed. They don't even reply to support emails any more.

These people are criminals.

They obviously don't realise that people have long memories, especially if they've had a slap from Google, which one of my sites has had with a 90 place ranking drop. Hopefully no more than 60 days.

If I ever see anything else from the Callen brothers, I'll avoid it, and even post things to warn others.

[jhauer]

Originally Posted by MrToad

I notice the scum at SEOLM have yet to reply on any public forum about the con they've performed. They don't even reply to support emails any more.

These people are criminals.

Sorry to hear that Mrtoad. My experience was that they not only responded within a day but processed full refund (Intro plus one month). You know that you can claim refund directly from ClickBank if the merchant doesn't respond?

Based on the BMR mess, I think these folks got slammed by this new Google initiative to penalize networks.

That being said, it is no excuse for no public response or explanation. I also will be wary of the Callens and Dori in the future. Especially if they are still selling this crap.

[Maz945]

Good for you. I didn't get a refund!

[jhauer]

Originally Posted by Maz945

Good for you. I didn't get a refund!

That sucks, did you try Clickbank or were you past the 60 days?

[Maz945]

Originally Posted by MrToad

Just be aware that these lying rats will not even give you a list of "your links". They just refuse without any explanation.

I actually kept a load of the "links" when they used to give them to you in the early days. Aside from the fact Google has de-indexed them all anyway, the actual sites no longer exist anyway.... they've all been taken down and just have the ISP holding pages now.

[rightwrite]

Where are Dori and the others? They were here every day defending their network in the beginning. They need to step up and answer the questions here. I, too, had a site on page one before using them. Now, it is nowhere to be found.

[Chase Watts]

Originally Posted by rightwrite

Where is Dori and the others? They were here every day defending their network in the beginning. They need to step up and answer the questions here. I, too, had a site on page one before using them. Now, it is nowhere to be found.

Have you tried sending them a PM? Most likely they aren't ignoring - it's easy to get backed up on responding to stuff on Warrior Forum when you have a business to run.

[IM Ash]

Originally Posted by Chase Watts

Have you tried sending them a PM? Most likely they aren't ignoring - it's easy to get backed up on responding to stuff on Warrior Forum when you have a business to run.

Oh please dude! It has been over 2 weeks since this thread began and I assure you they have seen this thread and all the negatives spoken about their useless network. But guess what, they still accepting members!

Did you see how BMR approached the situation? They alerted all members about what is happenning and even went as far as giving people the option to remove links and they even mentioned that refunds will be issued.

[mike martin]

Originally Posted by Randall Kufarsy

Here are my experiences with both SEONitro 497/month and SEOLinkmonster 47 month 1 and then 147/month. And a question to Dori.

I only worked with SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster for a short while, but the effects were enormous, BUT in the wrong direction...

Within 10 days I received dreaded - unnatural linking to my sites messages from WMT, I have been reading all day on this and other forums and sites and this is what I figured out what might be happening.

On SEONitro I checked over 450 domains my sites were placed on and it turned out ALL of the domains had been deindexed! All of them, I kid you not! Ofcourse seonitro support tells me that this happens all the time to SOME sites, and they will be replaced and then things will be better.

BUT it was not some sites; ALL the sites I checked were deindexed. Why the heck would they place customers links on deindexed sites?!

Then on SEOLinkmonster the first couple of days you could still check the domains that the articles had been placed on and again, ALL of them had been deindexed. Later I could not check anymore, that option had disappeared in their backend.

As soon as I saw that the articles were place on all deindexed sites I took my articles out of rotation, but this morning I found out that the damage already had been done. WMT already saw these sites as well and raised the flag.

So I spent a couple of hours to reverse lookup the articles that are mentioned in WMT - and when I check all sites linking to my sites I run into the sites I recognize with articles that come through SEOlinkmonster and lo and behold, ALL of them were deindexed sites.

After all my reading on this and other forums I now conclude that the main thing that triggered WMT unnatural linking warning must be the linking from deindexed domains.

So I have one thing to ask Dori Friend: please be nice to your customers and take down all deindexed sites, that would at least solve one problem for all of your customers who have been placed on deindexed domains, in that it would rid our sites of these apparently dangerous backlinks. And could you please do that for SEONitro AND SEOLinkmonster?

I am trying to get someone's attention as well on the SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster support sites as well, but apparently they are flooded with support tickets...

DORI, PLEASE take those deindexed sites down, because like I said, I fear that your blognetworks have been tracked down and the best thing you can now do with these sites for your customers is take them OUT and all links DOWN. That could perhaps limit the damage a bit.

I am now at the stage where I would gladly pay you to take those sites down so I get all links from deindexed sites pointing to my sites out of the way again, can you believe this?!

Dori, these deindexed sites will do you no good and I think they are detrimental to all people who have articles on them because - afaik - links from deindexed sites in networks raise huge red flags. Talk about footprint..

Apart from that I would have to say these guys know how to sell, because did they not convince me to jump on board? And the feeding of the articles went relatively smooth as well, so the back end really works as well.

Just one minor detail, they placed all my articles on deindexed sites.

What more can I say, probably this is lousy for your business as well.

Dori, please take the deindexed sites down?

bull mate, if you could damage a site with links, then i wouldnt be paying for links i would be paying link monster to link to my competitors, I have seen improvements from these sites, and de indexed sites still give you a boost, it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes

I run a Locksmiths in Manchester and since using link monster i have gone from page 6 to page one plus many other sites, the key is to not over link one site, instead add 10 sites on 10 articles and be patient.

remember mate its easy to slag people off, but what real SEM people do is dont slag anyone off, they just learn from their mistakes and spot the money niches like Brad Matt and Dori have done brilliantly.
mention their name online and you have a PR 3 site from people like you slagging them off, and thats why they are so rich.

[MikeFriedman]

Originally Posted by mike martin

it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes

You have a source for this research? I'd love to see it.

[zharfan]

Originally Posted by mosthost

$650 a month for link building? Wow

this software very very hard to accept

[Michael_Le]

Originally Posted by MrToad

SEOLM and the scum behind it including Fat Friend will have a shock coming to them I think. What they have done is commit FRAUD. As you all know FRAUD is a serious serious offence.

FBI anyone ?

SEO Link Monster was a CON from the start. It didn't work because they don't know what the hell they are doing. If Dori spent more time on delivering a REAL business model instead of just FRAUD we would all be able to get on with more constructive things.

One thing I have noticed in life is this. FRAUDSTERS, CONMEN and BULL****TERS always tend to be good talkers but if they are FAT as well, steer well clear because it is an indication that they are just a GREEDY LYING PIG and they'll do you for every dime without even a second thought !

What say you DORI ?

dont forget the so called GURUS who were offering the bonuses and pushing it to their list.

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by zharfan

this software very very hard to accept

So true! There are MANY things you can buy for that money!

The prices of 'IM products' are very HIGH compared to the REAL WORLD where I live. LOL

[bfas]

Originally Posted by mike martin

... and de indexed sites still give you a boost, it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes

...

That's simply not true.

Google doesn't recognize de-indexed sites; "de-indexed" means 'removed from the index'.

A link on a de-indexed site does not convey any ranking boost. As for being 'proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes' - that's just plain bad information.

This is the sort of mis-information, hear-say, theory, or assumption passing for fact that does real damage to the people who may not know better.

Michael

[eurofxnow]

Amazing. Nicely it sounds enjoy it might be a wonderful support. Every time they remedy this trouble, I might be interested to know how standing moves.

[SEO_WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by MrToad

Still no links list. Still no refund. Still no "support".

Linkmonster = FRAUD

The seolinkmonster.com is DEAD, I can't access it since yesterday. Please help me to get my money back!

[snakeyes]

Originally Posted by SEO_WARRIOR

The seolinkmonster.com is DEAD, I can't access it since yesterday. Please help me to get my money back!

SEONitro -SEOLinkVineElite- BackLinkBuddy- SEOLinkMonster, Are all part of the same network!

All de-indexed

Brad callen is ruining his name this way !

[SEO_WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by snakeyes

SEONitro -SEOLinkVineElite- BackLinkBuddy- SEOLinkMonster, Are all part of the same network!

All de-indexed

Brad callen is ruining his name this way !

I have two accounts with SEOLinkMonster & asked them to give me FULL REFUND!!

Brad & Droi! Thank you very much for putting us at the edge of disaster!!

[snakeyes]

Originally Posted by Matt Callen

I'm *really* surprised to hear that you didn't get a reply from our support department. Our support staff at SEONitro, LLC - Powered by Kayako Fusion Help Desk Software has an average response time of less than 4 hours. Usually quicker, if the time of the submitted ticket isn't in the middle of the night (US time). Can you send me a PM here with your support ticket ID and I"ll make sure that I personally look at this for you.

Second... yes, sites have been de-indexed, like many other networks out there. But this is definitely not true in saying that "all" sites are deindexed. Please stop spreading rumors. We just emailed all current members about all of the MAJOR updates we've done to the network, changes we've made, and important info about Google's latest updates. If you're still a member, you should have received this email.

2 months ago when 50+ sites got de-indexed i received the same auto reply answer every time as i did recently!

"We are now repopulating the network as fast as we can with our reserved inventory in addition to newly purchased aged/pr domains. Please bear with us during this process."

the diff now is YES all the sites in the network have been de-indexed!
I would be happy to send anyone a list to verify this.

as of today you are still accepting customers on a network of de-indexed sites.
Why have they not be removed to mitigate the damage?

None were replaced in Feb or march!

so why don't you process the $497 refund i requested for feb. for a network that couldn't be used. I have paid you guys over $5000 in linkvine elite!

Oh and the guarantee of your links be remain permanently after you a customer for a year? how do you handle that one?

you need to close all your affected networks to unsuspecting new customers ASAP !

I doubt i will ever see a refund !

[retsek]

Jesus christ $5000??????!

[Matt Callen]

seo_warrior, you were refunded in full. We have a refund policy, and we follow it. You asked for a refund, and you got one as promised.

snakeeyes, I sent you a PM from your other identical post that was in the other thread. Not sure why you duplicated it here since we were chatting in the other thread and figure out the issue, why you weren't replied to by our staff, and fix up the refund... anyway... I sent you my contact info since you can't reply to PM's. I'll be on the lookout for your email.

We sent out a very important email today to ALL seolinkmonster members, updating them on what's been going on the past couple weeks since Google's "attack". The information we shared with all members has a ton of updates and things that we've been doing to continue moving forward... things we've already changed, things we're in the process of working on, things we're planning to add, etc... If you're a current SEOLinkMonster member, just login to your members area and you'll see ALL of the info there on the "updates" page...

Thanks!

[salegurus]

Originally Posted by Matt Callen

seo_warrior, you were refunded in full. We have a refund policy, and we follow it. You asked for a refund, and you got one as promised.

snakeeyes, I sent you a PM from your other identical post that was in the other thread. Not sure why you duplicated it here since we were chatting in the other thread and figure out the issue, why you weren't replied to by our staff, and fix up the refund... anyway... I sent you my contact info since you can't reply to PM's. I'll be on the lookout for your email.

We sent out a very important email today to ALL seolinkmonster members, updating them on what's been going on the past couple weeks since Google's "attack". The information we shared with all members has a ton of updates and things that we've been doing to continue moving forward... things we've already changed, things we're in the process of working on, things we're planning to add, etc... If you're a current SEOLinkMonster member, just login to your members area and you'll see ALL of the info there on the "updates" page...

Thanks!

Too little, too late.
Learn from BMR and how they handled the situation.

[salegurus]

"Originally Posted by mike martin
it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes"

Seriously ?? Proven by who?
I have 2 sites that dropped from page 1 to nowhere to be seen.

[SEO_WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by salegurus

"Originally Posted by mike martin
it is proven that deindexed sites help to prove you are not just linking fraudulently for seo purposes"

Seriously ?? Proven by who?
I have 2 sites that dropped from page 1 to nowhere to be seen.

Mine also dropped.............and got LOVE NOTE from google that unnatural links are detected to your website. I have read the post by Matt but loss has bee done to us. I am thankful to Matt for the return but what about dropped rankings & lost income caused due to their network???