SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster Kill Your Sites?
 

Here are my experiences with both SEONitro 497/month and SEOLinkmonster 47 month 1 and then 147/month. And a question to Dori.

I only worked with SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster for a short while, but the effects were enormous, BUT in the wrong direction...

Within 10 days I received dreaded - unnatural linking to my sites messages from WMT, I have been reading all day on this and other forums and sites and this is what I figured out what might be happening.

On SEONitro I checked over 450 domains my sites were placed on and it turned out ALL of the domains had been deindexed! All of them, I kid you not! Ofcourse seonitro support tells me that this happens all the time to SOME sites, and they will be replaced and then things will be better.

BUT it was not some sites; ALL the sites I checked were deindexed. Why the heck would they place customers links on deindexed sites?!

Then on SEOLinkmonster the first couple of days you could still check the domains that the articles had been placed on and again, ALL of them had been deindexed. Later I could not check anymore, that option had disappeared in their backend.

As soon as I saw that the articles were place on all deindexed sites I took my articles out of rotation, but this morning I found out that the damage already had been done. WMT already saw these sites as well and raised the flag.

So I spent a couple of hours to reverse lookup the articles that are mentioned in WMT - and when I check all sites linking to my sites I run into the sites I recognize with articles that come through SEOlinkmonster and lo and behold, ALL of them were deindexed sites.

After all my reading on this and other forums I now conclude that the main thing that triggered WMT unnatural linking warning must be the linking from deindexed domains.

So I have one thing to ask Dori Friend: please be nice to your customers and take down all deindexed sites, that would at least solve one problem for all of your customers who have been placed on deindexed domains, in that it would rid our sites of these apparently dangerous backlinks. And could you please do that for SEONitro AND SEOLinkmonster?

I am trying to get someone's attention as well on the SEONitro and SEOLinkmonster support sites as well, but apparently they are flooded with support tickets...

DORI, PLEASE take those deindexed sites down, because like I said, I fear that your blognetworks have been tracked down and the best thing you can now do with these sites for your customers is take them OUT and all links DOWN. That could perhaps limit the damage a bit.

I am now at the stage where I would gladly pay you to take those sites down so I get all links from deindexed sites pointing to my sites out of the way again, can you believe this?!

Dori, these deindexed sites will do you no good and I think they are detrimental to all people who have articles on them because - afaik - links from deindexed sites in networks raise huge red flags. Talk about footprint..

Apart from that I would have to say these guys know how to sell, because did they not convince me to jump on board? And the feeding of the articles went relatively smooth as well, so the back end really works as well.

Just one minor detail, they placed all my articles on deindexed sites.

What more can I say, probably this is lousy for your business as well.

Dori, please take the deindexed sites down?

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Wow. Well it sounds like it could be a great service. Once they solve this problem, I would be interested to hear how ranking goes.

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$650 a month for link building? Wow :)

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This is a perfect example of why it is a good idea to find the smaller networks that nobody is talking about to join instead of the one that every wannabe guru is pimping like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Not to mention that any network that allows spun garbage is going to be easier for Google to find and deindex.

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Wow thats a massive slap but I have ask you based on the last line - how did you actually verify they were deindexed? Did you do an info:domain.com search or was it something else?

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In the present climate any network that is advertising themselves as the place to publish spun content deserves a bone head award.

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Hi all I can 100% confirm that SEOlinkmonster has been almost entirely deindexed. I was lucky enough to have downloaded all of my URL's from seolinkmonster the day before they disabled the feature and every single domain (not just the URL's, the entire domains) has been deindexed. They are still charging $147 for people to subscribe to this network. I have just contacted support and I am waiting for them to refund all of my money for this service. I will update again as soon as I have heard back from them about how they are going to handle this.

It is completely wrong to still be charging subscribers for access to this network or any others out there that have been hit like this and it is beyond belief that these networks will not openly disclose the effect that the recent Google hits have had on their network and are going to have on each and every one of their subscribers.

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Although I would not agree with slapping a network with such a insulting "award" I would agree that they could develop a better, more valuable marketing strategy and service.

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Its "award" not reward and I said nothing about their service not being valuable which I suppose a network service provider would find very insulting. SO we disagree the service isn't valuable. I merely was indicating that when Google is going around deindexing sites that have spun content it would not be smart to advertise to customers that they can place spun content. Just being logical.

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LOL... that was quick... wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that SEO Link Monster launched with a whole lot of hype? It was probably the most poorly designed network I have ever seen. Built entirely for profits! They got what was coming to them but damn that was quick. I guess when you start a network with so much hype, G will get wind of it!

The character of the people behind this network is clearly revealed by the fact that they are still accepting new members!

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I completely agree with you. I have lodged a request for a complete refund with them via their helpdesk support so I guess we will find out what sort of character they do have. So far I have not heard anything back from them but hopefully it won't take too long. I am sure they are going to come out firing defending their "network" (or lack of it) just as they have in other threads on here but I have absolue proof that they have been hit very hard and that they are willing to continue ripping of their customers. If it wasn't for the fact that there are a lot of others that have used their network that could be affected by any disclosure I would paste a list of the sites that have been de-indexed here as proof. Unfortunately though that is not going to do anything other than cause problems for anybody who had links on these sites. The best thing that the network operators can do is take it down straight away before any more people get the dreaded WMT unnatural linking message which I have unfortunately received on each of the sites I put on seolinkmonster. The sooner they can do this, the less damage they are going to cause to any more sites.

I asked for a full refund on Sunday morning Australian time so I will let keep this thread updated with how long it takes to actually get my money back and to get a reply. Otherwise, I will just have to cancel the PayPal payment through my credit card company and do it the hard way. Either way, I want my money back and I will not stop until I get it. It is just up to them to decide whether they want to do it the right way or whether it needs to go any further than it already has.

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UPDATE TO THE ABOVE POST - Upon checking some of the sites that have been deindexed of which I have the list for as I downloaded them prior to them disabling this feature in their network they are still continuing to publish new posts to them!! So not only are they taking people's money they are publishing content to blogs that have been deindexed and claiming to be legitimately posting them and continue to give Google even more people's sites to issue WMT notices to. This is just ridiculous. I have never come across such an unprofessional service anywhere before.

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WTH... they trying to recoup their losses. I hope more people see this thread who are a part of the network.

Seriously, these people need to be exposed. What is scary is that you are just one in a thousand or more. The network owners have massive lists and friends who also have huge lists and the marketing that went into this network during the prelaunch was insane.

If what you say is true then many have already been negatively affected and if these guys don't pull the plug now then their reputations will vanish with the network.

Let's see whether honesty and integrity is part of their business model? ;)

Regarding your refund request: why don't you just request a refund through ClickBank as this network uses CB as a 3rd party processor?

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The one good thing about products like this is it gives you a great gauge of whose email lists you should unsubscribe from.

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I really want to keep this thread alive so more people can see it ;)

I've taken an interest to this network and I went digging on the net and I have found various blogs (IM related of course) where the blogger is now taking back all the praises that were sung about the network during the pre-launch... LOL

What is interesting is that everyone that has downloaded the URLs and checked if the root domain is still indexed are getting "0" indexed barring one person who checked 99 URLs and "1" came back indexed (that one is probably gone by now as well)

The other startling fact is how poorly this network was designed (in terms of staying under the radar): none of the blogs have predefined categories and there are 5+ blogs all on the same IP... and the people behind this network were suppose to be SEO Guru's... LOL... there are newbs on this forum who will do a better job creating a network.

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before we go too far down this road I need to ask again - HOW DID THE OP CHECK THE SITES WERE DEINDEXED. Not saying he is incorrect but a lot of people have become confused about what deindexing is and/or are relying on inaccurate ways of checking. If you do an info:domain.com and a site:domain .com thats the most reliable way to check.

If you do those two checks and get nothing then yes you are paying for air. As far as Google is concerned those sites don't exist.

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LOL. careful there Mikey. There are some big hitters running some of those lists. How could you not want to be subscribed to their list? ;)

That aint no lie. I got an email this weekend from a guy thats a total newbie to networks that I've been helping and he sent over a diagram of his network. I smiled. Compared to how most public rental networks are setup the diagram looked more like a CIA analysts plan to not to be tailed. LOL. Smiled at the content too - for the most part it all made sense and looked natural (for the most part - got to talk to him about one site with spun content).

Heres the thing though - takes time and thought to do it right and alot of people don't want to spend the money on services set up right ( but the SEO nitro is pricey enough). Customers do create a bit of the climate. IF I set up a network with 70 domains done all right and another guy sets up 200 done all wrong people will bite on the higher number and definitely if its at a lower price.

Worse there are alot of people that will pick 300 linking domains where your links all roll off authority pages over 50 that don't and they'll always pick the more popular ones which only ensures that they roll off very quickly.

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Its looks like the Sun has set on the Golden Age of Blog Networks, or at least the bigger public ones.

It's sort of like how John Gotti was so famous. How could that have been a good thing in his line of work? Flying under the radar is the only thing that can prevent you from being shot down.

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Yea, these networks that are feeling the pinch are built to appeal to the masses... "more links on high PR sites with just one spun article, YUM, gotta have some of that".

But many who are buying into these networks are just naieve, sad! Anyone who wants to depend on organic traffic needs to at least do their due diligence before placing their money sites at risk.

Anyway, for those who want a bit of Sunday entertainment, read the last page of this thread:

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...e-tried-3.html

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Actually reading that thread give me mixed feelings. Obviously its not doing great as a service but on the other hand people getting upset that they won't give them a list of indexed articles are not understanding the issue either. I give them one other prop - they are at least admitting they had some sites deindexed.

Apparently at least one person they are aware of signed up and then reported their sites. Its the kiss of death to be giving everyone that signs up a list to go through to find all the sites used. It may seem reasonable for a link rental service but the model has to change. It has to be about ranking not link counts.

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All I get from that thread is a load of excuses! No client (members in this case) wants to hear one excuse after the other. I just can't get it: if any business person decides to create a network of this magnitude the first order of business is to find ways to allay the risks that are common to every public network (deindexing).

Now, all they seem to be doing is trying to fill the holes with $5 PR0 aged domains from GD. This network is diminishing from a high PR network to a low PR network and soon it will be only .infos LOL.

These guys need to watch all their prelaunch videos and then they will know why threads like this begin and why members are disgruntled. Then they need to assess whether covering up the magnitude of the problem by adding more PR0s is a long-term solution(not). By doing this they are increasing their expenses and at the same time confidence in the network is disintegrating because people are not experiencing the same ranking affect as they did in the beginning.

When a company like Nestle finds out that one of their baby products might contain a dangerous substance, they stop production, recall all distributed products and issue warnings to the public. They do this because they are long-term focused and realize that short-term gains will be to their own detriment.

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Hi Mike, not only did I do a scrapebox check on all base domain names I have also been through and done an individual "site:" check on the domains as well. I run a SEO firm here in Australia and I am well aware of how to check indexation of sites. The sites have been deindexed and they are still continuing to post to them even as I type this. PM me your email mate and I will send you a small sample of the 300+ sites that I have..

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WOW, i never thought seolinkmonster would have such a bad impact on rankings... I was considering adding it to my SEO Strategy... Thank you for sharing your experience here and keep us updated please

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Seriously, do not bother with it. Not only are you putting your sites at risk with a very poorly designed network but what you are actually getting is posts that are going onto de-indexed blogs. So you are wasting your money and you are risking your sites. It is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that should be done is these sites should be taken down so that anybody on the network can at least attempt to file for a reconsideration request from Google if their sites have been hit with the natural linking WMT message. But to ensure profits and to maintain cashflow I would be willing to bet that not even 1 of their customers has been told the extent of the damage that has been done to their network by the recent de-indexings that have been happening.

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I am with you here! The only thing that is going to happen now is people are going to continue to cause more damage to their sites with links that they cannot remove. For $147 a month all that you are going to get is damage to your site. Anybody who has used SEOlinkmoster needs to check their WMT tools and see if there is any messages waiting for them. If not, stop using it anyway because it will come. I would be asking for a refund ASAP because there is no way these people should be able to get away with this.

Perhaps if all of the marketing they put into SEOlinkmonster was focused on creating a network that would at least partly stand up then there would not be so much damage done. Unfortunately when you draft press releases that are designed to spread like wildfire via Google News telling everyone you are building something to games Google's network there is bound to be a retaliation of some sort. Unfortunately, completely wiping out the network was what has happened here.

And then on top of that to still be posting to blogs that have been de-indexed and counting them as the 14 daily posts you are supposed to get is bordering on fraudulent considering what they are still advertising their service as.

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I used seo link monster on one of my sites that had been on page one for a year # 3...now it's gone..not even in the top 1000..MF!!!

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All I wanted to know. Wasn't implying that anyone didn't know how to check was just making sure because some people recently have been confusing no t indexed and deindexed. PM will be sent. I'd appreciate the list offer as it will give me a real good look at how much Google is going after these rental networks.

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Not true. IF a site gets links from interior pages then the links can stay in place for a long time. Just think how many times does a blogger go back and even read a page that he wrote two years ago? In context links are not removed by ton loads of pages. Plus a good network builder will include "support" sites over time and they ARE a source of new backlinks.

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Google has gotten really smart recently. It know when your backlinks are trashy and of spam quality and when they are actually deserving on being passed the Page Rank of the page you posted the backlink too.

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Hi Mike I have sent you an email with the sample sites..This is by no means all of them but as you will see from the ones I have sent there is fresh content being posted to them still and they have been de-indexed.

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Slmonster was bad from the start. Right away all their pages lost pr and they said because of transition from park domain to their dns move but "trust us, pr still there". None of the 400 links I've downloaded are indexed and I've received a penalty of some sort.

Lesson learned. No such thing as a good reputation when people are trying to get your money. No apologies, no updates or explanations but continue to accept members. Good thing I only tested on a couple urls.

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I can verify for a fact too Mike - their service is posting fresh new content onto boatloads of de-indexed domains.

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And people are paying $147 for this. This has got to be put to a stop somehow. So far they have not answered my support request for a refund. Has now been about 30 hours. If it was my network being knocked out like this I would be working overtime to try and contain the damage. They obvioulsy do not care that much otherwise the sites would have been taken down as they were de-indexed!!

Is anybody out there able to bring Matt Callen's attention to this thread? I cannot PM yet otherwise I would..

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I signed up at when it first launched and I liked the backend system, simple to use and I even got a boost in rankings at the start.

However I soon quickly realised my rankings stopped growing and basically stayed put. One site even got a "unnatural backlink" warning within my Webmaster account and the only form of backlinks promotions I've done on that particular site was from SEOLM.

Basically Google on to it and like what's been said above, it'll do your site more harm than good having a site on their network.

James Scholes

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Mike,

I checked with both:
site:domain.com AND
info:domain.com

Really startling to hear they are still posting fresh content to these sites!

Randall

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I was a member of seo nitro vip and elite linkvine vip for almost 2 years and i got good results with it.

But on the last months this two networks started to get deindexed and the support just keep saying 'we will change the sites' but never did.

If seo nitro and elite linkvine was already being deindexed before linkmonster,why they launched it ? it is obviously that they knew that they would be deindexed,but they was aiming just to make some bucks and trying to play dumb.

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Actually this is a very good point! Seeing that SEO Linkvine was owned by the creator of SLM one will assume that the experience with one network would have equipped him to build a higher quality network, designed to stay under the radar, but the complete opposite occurred. :rolleyes:

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Obviously there are too many sharks in the shark tank (blog networks). When a new network is hyping itself, the other ones get nervous. They sign up and report it to Google.

The site gets de-indexed. The networks have to buy even lower quality 'replacement domains.' I think it's getting obvious that poorly written content on low quality domains does not have the impact it once did.

But as long as there are new people being drawn into 'getting rich' with Google SEO, there will be more of this type of snake oil. That's just the nature of the basically corrupt 'IM" segment. Everyone is looking for a shortcut to 'internet millions' when in reality Google search is past its prime and social media is even more important for growing revenue.

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Unfortunately for them if they are knowingly advertising a service which they are not providing and continue to take money from people this constitutes fraud. 'We will change the site' is not an answer to this because in their current model they cannot keep up with the rate of de-indexing. And while they are posting people's content to blogs which are not indexed and claiming those as the daily pots they are submitting they are not delivering the service people are paying $147/month for. And while they continue to post content to their network they are potentially causing harm to every customer using the service. There would be a lot of customers who do not use these forums who would just simply have no idea about what the current state of the industry is with all of the recent Google changes and they are preying on those people and continuing to take their money knowing they are not delivering the service they are promising.

They have absolutely no right to continue to do this. At least some of the other networks out there have been half honest with their customers and some have closed the doors to new registrations (I have actually done the exact same check on HighPRSociety's sites and so far i cannot find any sites that have been hit). I understand some of the other bigger networks have been hit as well but seemingly nowhere near as bad as SEOlinkmonster. It was an overpriced service to begin with and now it is even more so while they are taking people's money and knowingly doing wrong by every single one of their customers! They are willing to sit back and continue to damage their customers sites and have done absolutely nothing to attempt to fix the situation. Yes, we use these services at our own risk, but once the issue becomes as big and widespread as this and the owners of the network do nothing to attempt to rectify the situation then the liability has to lie with them.

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Thanks for that and not that you need my confirmation but yet another pair of eyes can see they are deindexed PLUS its no wonder to see why they are. The content on some of them is absolute gibberish, Standard wordpress themes with the same old formula of several articles on one page all about completely different subjects and no rhyme nor reason.

Seeing them only confirms to me that the days of customers writing their own content are dead. SO are the days of cheap home page backlink systems (not that SLmonster was particularly cheap). The only way is to give Google what they want. A sensible site that has some value with fewer links. That takes more time, planning and quality control.

People swore this was some kind of cash machine to the point where they did next to nothing to protect themselves. Basically looks like they just said hey lets buy a bunch of PR domains and make cash. Wasn't this that launch where they claimed they got some expert lady (Name starts with a D I think but I can't remember)to build their network? or was that some other launch?

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Public, huge networks always have footprint issues.

If they have a limited number of sites and are blasting it to lists of thousands of people to buy buy buy, you know that the service is going to be flooded with crap and super footprinted.

I'd avoid it.

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interesting stuff, cant wait to hear the rebuttal

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dont forget guys, these are the so called GURUS, the guys that every one says" he always puts out good products, thats why i always buy"......lesson learnt hey. previous good performance doesnt mean they will keep up with it. At the end of the day it's all about the money.

is anyone here part of matt carters seo expert academy? Terry kyle does something called seo sundays and he was talking about his own high PR network being caught out by google and it went bust. Basically google is on to the whole High PR domain page links and blog networks and have started de-indexing alot of them lately. i seem to re-call there were quite a few notable so called GURUS promoting link monster.........they should be ashamed!

so should matt and brad callen!!!!

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I am a subscriber to SEO Sunday and I have to actually give some credit to Terry Kyle for being open and honest with his customers about what happened to his network. At least he took it down straight away and notified everybody of the issues, admitted there were problems and has tried to help others to fix their networks.

So far I still have not heard back from SEOlinkmonser and it has been 48 hours now. It's just not good enough.

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I used elite seolinkvine, seemed to have good success with that network in with my mix of back linking. I tried seolinkmonster for maybe 3 days then I noticed most of my keywords were gone from there first page rankings. But I also watched Dori's instruction videos in seolinkmonster where she said to go to fiverr and do a blog comment blast of non seo keywords so you don't over optimized.

So being the dim wit, I listened to her.

I was #8 a big keyword now I'm 668 yet I'm still on the first page for another main keyword in #7 although I use to be number #1. I don't get it, is this a google penalty? Was it from the blog comments or the deindexed sites, or both?

What can we do to get our rankings back? I was wondering if I'm just over optimized on keywords.

I sent google a reconsideration request (I know really stupid, right). But I was freaking out as this is a big part of my families income (I know, I know really stupid to use a link network or mass blog commenting to a main site).

I haven't heard anything back yet. Do you think it's a penalty? or just losing link juice from the deindexed sites (as someone on the google forum said). I can't see it being losing link juice, you wouldn't go from #2 to 490 or #3 to 591

Any advice on how to come back from this would be very helpful. I will never be impatient again :(

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:eek:

It is really, amazing how these people can destroy people's/their costumers livelihood and not even care to comment.

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Interesting that there was an earlier thread here where Dori and Matt were regularly posting their defense to complaints. Now their silence is deafening. Being a constant optimist I hope it's just because they're all trying to fix the mess. I also had multiple first page rankings that have tanked beyond 500 and 600. The only good part of my SEOLM experience was that Dori actually pointed me to this forum to show that lots of people were suffering from "Google dance". Glad to have found WF. --

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Wow. sometimes theres bad advice and sometimes theres spectacularly bad advice.

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I appreciate the correction, So allow me to help you also. I made no reference to you mentioning anything about "them" merely I was referring to your statement "a network". I also said nothing about "not being valuable" although I did make a mention of "more valuable"

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And this person is the so- called SEO expert :rolleyes:

To the previous poster: your site has been penalized. Many people who have had links on networks (HPBL & PBN) that have been deindexed have seen their site's tank. If it were just an algorithmic affect your site would have dropped to the spot it was on before you began using the service, but all you have experienced is a drop.