Google is Banning paid Blog networks [Be Afraid]:(:(:(

[MagicWhisper]

I'm sorry if this sounds ignorant, but what are "paid blog networks" and "Private Blog Networks?" I tried to google what they are, and even though I found links about them, they never explained WHAT they are, just that one can buy them.

[MagicWhisper]

Could anyone tell me?

[ThatAblaze]

paid blog networks have a bunch of high PR blogs and a bit of web software. You write an article, sometimes you spin it, and put in their software and they post your article to one of their blogs. This way everyone is linking to everyone else, at least in theroy

[MagicWhisper]

Originally Posted by ThatAblaze

paid blog networks have a bunch of high PR blogs and a bit of web software. You write an article, sometimes you spin it, and put in their software and they post your article to one of their blogs. This way everyone is linking to everyone else, at least in theroy

Thank you for your explanation. I was scratching my head in trying to figure this out, as well as this whole thread. I get it now.

[phyfun]

I think Google is not happy because the blog network did some of the google work. Google like the quality original content provide website.

[Zen Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mike Grant

My **** is doing just fine.

What the hell does that mean?

That someone should call you to do their SEO I suppose.

Explain yourself if want to have any cred, son.

[Zen Warrior]

Originally Posted by dcristo

I think he's basically saying he's weiner is still functioning thanks to paid blog networks.

Ha..I like that answer. ha ha

[Zen Warrior]

A question, since private networks are the rage...I ,in fact, am taking a great course right now about that very thing.

Question: so, to build your private network, how do you build links to the tier 2 & 3 sites then?, since all link building methods, besides using natural links from related sites, seem to be not so good according to what I have read on this thread.

Anyone?......Mike Anthony perhaps?

thanks,
'
Mike

[bnetwork]

https://twitter.com/#!/mattcutts/sta...92083427823616

Good luck bros! I'm so happy that I've kept my networks private the whole time.

[cssitkt]

Most Private Blog Networks main intention is not to help you rank but to make money. SEO link monster is prime example of this - glossy launch of a terrible product made to look great.

The sad thing is that thousands of people sign up to these blog networks which at best will help you rank for a short time and at worst will tank your site. Just look at how many people's sites have been nuked just by using SEO Link Monster - it's frightening.

ALN recently admitted that it's normal for 5-10% of their blogs to be de-indexed each month. BMR have also admitted that it's normal for their blogs to be de-indexed regularly. A 5-10% de-index rate means you will always be buying more links to replace the deindexed ones which is probably viewed as not a bad thing if you own the Blog Network. I've said it before and i'll say it again - you don't want a link to your site on any de-indexed page.

Most of the SEO services you see advertised on Warrior are utter rubbish and are putting sites in real danger.

[ezpay4me]

Out of all the blog networks and services I currenly use I only noticed 1 take a hit from Google and thats obviously SEO Link Monster. The reason I say so is because before Google latest panda update on Feb.27 I wrote a post and used SEO Link Monster to rank it at the top of SERPS with a few days. My post stayed there with no problem up until March 1. I was then on page 8!

So since I always keep track of my link building I went back and loaded up all the backlinks from SEO Link Monster and put them on Scrapebox index checker & what do you know. Just a few weeks earlier I had well over 120+ indexed URLS and now its reduced to absolute 0! Thus i thought it was pretty safe to say that the SEO Link Monster network had been hit and i may be wrong BUT these were my own results and I will make a judgment based on them... you don't have to though

[quickcontent]

If you look at it, most of the backlinking that is done is some form of paid backlinking. And there are those that even Google might not know if its trading links for money...So I doubt its doomsday yet...

[bnetwork]

They've also been deactivating Adsense accounts (most likely due to these same links) lately. I know 2 people who got deactivation emails yesterday. Both of them had 20+ sites ranking with only ALN links. All sites got hit 2-3 days before the Adsense ban.

The sites all had 20+ pages of content, custom headers, no spammy ad placements, privacy/terms/contact pages - the lot. The only thing that happened was the sudden hit across all domains and then a ban next day/a couple days later.

People at the Googles are making a statement.

[JimSEO]

Blog/Article sites being deindexed isn't a myth. I've seen many drops for my competitors who we talk with reguarly, and they have been using distribution services for years. Whilst not as bad, I've also seen a couple of drop for some of my own sites.

In fact, I was quite fortunate to get information from SEO Linkm*nster, who said that "some" of their sites have been deindexed. Although apparently they have taken these down and replaced them with new ones. I can't make this message public, so it's up to you whether or not you want to take my word for it.

Also there is an interesting article about it, with reference to the world famous Warrior Forum which can read here: Private Blog Networks Getting Deindexed? (it's been updated at the bottom).

Just my 2 cents.

[MediaMughal]

One should not use paid blog networks these days instead they should make their own network of high pr blogs and make them help their other sites rank. These people send reports to their clients and they get the url of the blogs the paid blog network own.

Some people do give out the report to other people and they do submit those urls in google spam department and Matt Cutts, deindexes or devalue the website..

I own a high pr aged blog network of ~20 domains and they are on unique ips and multiple servers. They help a lot to rank my other site

My 2 cents..

Thanks

[bigwillstyle]

They certainly are find the networks and banning them. It isn't worth it - no way.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen

1. I would remove links
2. I would remove links

You'll agree that the second site is legit and you know someone is really taking care of that site. For the 1st site, I can probably buy a blogpost for $10 but for the 2nd site, they gave me a price of $175 per blogpost with a live link only for 1 year.

Mike don't know the setup you have but it might be a good idea to remove the URl fo a site that you say sells links

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Zen Warrior

A question, since private networks are the rage...I ,in fact, am taking a great course right now about that very thing.

Question: so, to build your private network, how do you build links to the tier 2 & 3 sites then?, since all link building methods, besides using natural links from related sites, seem to be not so good according to what I have read on this thread.

Not sure I understand the question in light of the fact that you say you are taking a course on building networks. IF it doesn't cover that then what does it cover?

[mightiest]

Originally Posted by bnetwork

They've also been deactivating Adsense accounts (most likely due to these same links) lately. I know 2 people who got deactivation emails yesterday. Both of them had 20+ sites ranking with only ALN links. All sites got hit 2-3 days before the Adsense ban.

The sites all had 20+ pages of content, custom headers, no spammy ad placements, privacy/terms/contact pages - the lot. The only thing that happened was the sudden hit across all domains and then a ban next day/a couple days later.

People at the Googles are making a statement.

Yeah... that they're completely desperate and have no answer to blog networks. Google has been deindexing blogs in blog networks since the dawn of time. Nothing has changed except that the blog networks have become more sophisticated and Google can't use algos to sort them out anymore.

If Google was really so great at killing blog networks, why would Cutts have to brag about it? As far as I can tell, the rate of deindexing hasn't measurably increased on ALN, BMR, or any other blog network so his post about "coming after" ALN is complete BS. It's a scare tactic.

Blog networks will continue to thrive and survive because they're extraordinarily difficult to detect if done properly.

[bnetwork]

Originally Posted by mightiest

As far as I can tell, the rate of deindexing hasn't measurably increased on ALN, BMR, or any other blog network

I sort of agree with your post, except for this part^^.

The de-indexing rate has increased massively, at least on ALN. I mean come on man - even the owner sent out an email about it a few days back. They lost a huge chunk of the network overnight. I have friends (ALN blast providers) who lost anywhere from 50 to 200 blogs last week alone.

Constantly replacing lost links with more links just isn't a long term strategy. It's much more effective to build a high quality 20 blog network and use it for your own needs. With ALN and similar you need to keep blasting non stop to keep the rankings up.

[Zen Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Not sure I understand the question in light of the fact that you say you are taking a course on building networks. IF it doesn't cover that then what does it cover?

Oh, we cover that, of course. But I am planning on asking this same question just the same, as BMR, Linkvana have been mentioned as some of the methods to use in backlinking your lower level sites.

If these are "dangerous" to use, as you and others are saying, then what do you recommend then?

I am have a bunch of domains, etc, but am just starting on building a few sites up...it is out of my budget to buy High PR links on related sites, so what is the alternative?

Are Web2.0 and Social bookmarking good ways to get some juice to these lower level sites, better than using BMR IYO?

Thanks,

Mike

[bhuff85]

Originally Posted by bnetwork

They've also been deactivating Adsense accounts (most likely due to these same links) lately. I know 2 people who got deactivation emails yesterday. Both of them had 20+ sites ranking with only ALN links. All sites got hit 2-3 days before the Adsense ban.

The sites all had 20+ pages of content, custom headers, no spammy ad placements, privacy/terms/contact pages - the lot. The only thing that happened was the sudden hit across all domains and then a ban next day/a couple days later.

People at the Googles are making a statement.

Rope me in with the other's. I had built several websites with numerous pages of content that was both in quality and relevant to the user. Low bounce rate, great numbers for on-site time, laser targeted quality content, unique structure, solid link mixture, etc.

I built links using a mix of social links, content syndication and BMR. Had great results, until I wanted to add another network into the mix - Linkamotion. Unlike BMR, Linkamotion accepted spun content. The network appeared heavily regulated at first (even for using spun content, as it had to be 80% unique or it was denied), but once I started doing research on sites that my links were getting posted on, I realized I made a big mistake. Not only that, but there were articles posted on their sites that couldn't even be termed an article. It was THAT bad.

I ended up cancelling my account there after 3 weeks, but the damage was done. All of my sites took a MAJOR hit, dropping 50+ spots or more. However, sites I owned that did NOT have links on this network remained OK, leaving me to believe this was one of those networks that started taking a hit. Since it isn't as "popular", I never saw any feedback from other users or heard anything regarding any issues with it.

Fast forward to today (about a month later from the hit) and I get notice that my Adsense account was disabled for "possible risk to advertisers". Had that sucker for nearly 5+ years and never had an issue with it. Coincidence? Not sure at this point.

Regardless, it's clear what Google wants and does not want. I'd rather build something that is valuable and can stand on its own regardless. Search traffic is just a bonus. Probably should've done that to begin with, but hey - we all make mistakes when we try to chase the golden goose. It is what it is.

[Cataclysm1987]

Here's a list of networks I've found to be in trouble:

Authority Link Network
Build My Rank
Elite Link Network (Closed)

Lots of smaller networks are getting hit too, particular home page networks. Google is getting angry.

[bnetwork]

Originally Posted by bhuff85

...

Ouch, that sucks. Losing Adsense accounts is always a bitch.

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by GGpaul

I remember buying SEO cook book from, where he used all of your services. I'll give it a shot.

Yup, let me know if you have any questions....and uh, I'll be hitting up long beach on March 29th for a tournament.....Can't WAIT! I love my California trips =D

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Zen Warrior

Oh, we cover that, of course. But I am planning on asking this same question just the same, as BMR, Linkvana have been mentioned as some of the methods to use in backlinking your lower level sites.

If these are "dangerous" to use, as you and others are saying, then what do you recommend then?

I don't agree with the premise of your class to begin with . In my class I don't and never have told people to build juice to their networks from public rental networks at all. One of the biggest benefits of building your own network is the privacy and exclusivity of it and connecting it to a public rental network exposes your entire exclusive network to theirs and subjects it to deindexing - especially in this climate.

Are Web2.0 and Social bookmarking good ways to get some juice to these lower level sites, better than using BMR IYO?

Could you PM me the name of this course? Its stunning that thats the only thing they cover to get PR to your site. For obvious reasons I can't get into those kinds of details on teaching you how to build a network here but no none of those are good at doing that. One bone I can throw out is that you would be better with blog comments with low OBL pages but those can be lost at a very high rate either by being removed or diluted by spammers.

[jubril58]

Long story short, if there is slight hesitation in you saying is this right or wrong in google's eyes. Google doesn't play around and when they catch on the are ruthless. Basically if any methods you are in question it's just a MATTER of time before they say , your account has been banned.

[Zen Warrior]

Sure, you are not going to give away your course for free, I understand.

SEO is a game, I understand that also.

So (for anyone that would like to contribute) are in-content links from sites with content that is relevant to your site content the only way to rank your site safely then?

Ha, and if those sites have links from rental networks....is G going to de-index everyone?

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I don't agree with the premise of your class to begin with . In my class I don't and never have told people to build juice to their networks from public rental networks at all. One of the biggest benefits of building your own network is the privacy and exclusivity of it and connecting it to a public rental network exposes your entire exclusive network to theirs and subjects it to deindexing - especially in this climate.



Could you PM me the name of this course? Its stunning that thats the only thing they cover to get PR to your site. For obvious reasons I can't get into those kinds of details on teaching you how to build a network here but no none of those are good at doing that. One bone I can throw out is that you would be better with blog comments with low OBL pages but those can be lost at a very high rate either by being removed or diluted by spammers.

And, to run with this a bit...so, we as SEOs--is the future of promoting turning into a political method, as in run down the opponent--instead of promoting our own sites, do we now just send a bunch of links from SEO LInk Monster, for instance, to our competitors sites?

I would not do that as I believe in the justice of the Universe, what goes around surely will come back around...but what do you people think?

How about using .edu links and press releases, maybe that will be my focus instead of BMR, etc.

How about just syndicating articles?

...is AMR ( I know, not high quality inks there) safe to use,. or can your sites be de-indexed from using that too?

thanks in advance for any opinions offered.

[Zen Warrior]

OK, got a little carried away in my above post

I am thinking that maybe the $59 monthly for BMR isn't a good investment after all.....

I am looking for long term...so laying a foundation using basic, solid methods will be best....what that would be, still working on it...

Writing articles, videos, etc..to start

[GGpaul]

Originally Posted by HKSEO Rotzee

Yup, let me know if you have any questions....and uh, I'll be hitting up long beach on March 29th for a tournament.....Can't WAIT! I love my California trips =D

Really? Damn! I'm going to be in the Philippines. Long Beach is DOPEEE.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by Zen Warrior

do we now just send a bunch of links from SEO LInk Monster, for instance, to our competitors sites?

Once a service has had sites deindexed it doesn't matter what you put on them - they will not count for anything. Google will not crawl them or pick up any new links form them so if you got links from such sites already deindexed they would have no effect. They are in siberia and google cares nothing about whats on them to even tank your competitor.

[Zen Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Once a service has had sites deindexed it doesn't matter what you put on them - they will not count for anything. Google will not crawl them or pick up any new links form them so if you got links from such sites already deindexed they would have no effect. They are in siberia and google cares nothing about whats on them to even tank your competitor.

Understand that part Mike, just an analogy...but I wouldn't do it anyway, and I doubt most would either...but there would certainly be more than a few that would...IF it worked, as in spam links to sites to bring them down.

[Uncleflag]

Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987

Here's a list of networks I've found to be in trouble:

Authority Link Network
Build My Rank
Elite Link Network (Closed)

Lots of smaller networks are getting hit too, particular home page networks. Google is getting angry.

ALL 300 of the manual sites in SEO Nitro are not indexed any more...plus I looked at several hundred the automated posts and they were all de-indexed.

[mosthost]

"SEO Link Monster" is sort an ironic name in light of the recent developments. That monster can devour a site whole

[Zen Warrior]

Anyway, interesting stuff here...this SEO business sure isn't one that you just set and forget.

(I do have a few clients, and have them in the A or B spot in G Places for several KWs for HVAC and DJs, so am not a total newbie.)

That being said,. anyone want a BMR subscription?

Decided that BMR isn't something I want to be invested in, too much time and money for what appears to be risky as things are progressing.

Besides, as has been noted elsewhere, I have 10 newer posts on BMR, only 3 have been indexed, 7 not including several almost a week old.

And I have seen on another thread that some folks posts that were once indexed aren't a few months later.

So, back to the basics, my money is better spent elsewhere I am thinking.

[nik0]

Originally Posted by Zen Warrior

Anyway, interesting stuff here...this SEO business sure isn't one that you just set and forget.

(I do have a few clients, and have them in the A or B spot in G Places for several KWs for HVAC and DJs, so am not a total newbie.)

That being said,. anyone want a BMR subscription?

Decided that BMR isn't something I want to be invested in, too much time and money for what appears to be risky as things are progressing.

Besides, as has been noted elsewhere, I have 10 newer posts on BMR, only 3 have been indexed, 7 not including several almost a week old.

And I have seen on another thread that some folks posts that were once indexed aren't a few months later.

So, back to the basics, my money is better spent elsewhere I am thinking.

Have to agree with you, spending around $1 for 1 post with 1 link, not really worth it, since most blogs get deindexed after a manual review cause someone reported it then it won't matter whether a blog accepts unique or spun content, a reviewer sees right through it anyway. Personally I use high pr society, the index rate isn't very high but I rank very well with it, and I only pay 7.5 cents for an article that contains 2 links.

[KeepItSimpleSilly]

Everything here still looks fine to me. My blogs are still moving up. Hope it stays that way !

[mjohnson2009]

Could not agree more.

Their blogs are garbage.

Originally Posted by John Romaine

The solution is to write decent content that people actually want to link to!



Dude, have you ever actually looked at any of their blogs? They're garbage!

[rodanglee]

BMR have to cross out the 'must be unique and readable content' strategy and look for more viable ways to develop their remaining blogs before google let loose another wave of deindexing.

[todawg_not]

Is BMR a bust Bawhaaaa.... ?

I had words with admin in Feb after every second post was getting rejected and told them to shove it
there's no way there getting my $59 buckaroo's then I here this from
JamesW

JamesW on his thread is experiencing some issues with BMR and his articles being
de-indexed which could me BMR blog is DOOOOOOOMMMM..
All Of My BMR Articles Have Been Deindexed - The Game's Up

Any one else can confirm BMR's demise?

[Berkinb]

Indeed, I can confirm that as not a single post (out of 1000) is indexed as of now.

Originally Posted by todawg_not

Is BMR a bust Bawhaaaa.... ?

I had words with admin in Feb after every second post was getting rejected and told them to shove it
there's no way there getting my $59 buckaroo's then I here this from
JamesW

JamesW on his thread is experiencing some issues with BMR and his articles being
de-indexed which could me BMR blog is DOOOOOOOMMMM..
All Of My BMR Articles Have Been Deindexed - The Game's Up

Any one else can confirm BMR's demise?

[todawg_not]

Originally Posted by Berkinb

Indeed, I can confirm that as not a single post (out of 1000) is indexed as of now.

Wow, the time and effort involved to get posts not to mention the cost.

I would be calling you credit company up and asking for a refund

The services rendered were technically not delivered

Paypal will side with you on this, they protect buyers more than sellers

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by todawg_not

Wow, the time and effort involved to get posts not to mention the cost.

I would be calling you credit company up and asking for a refund

The services rendered were technically not delivered

Paypal will side with you on this, they protect buyers more than sellers

PayPal doesn't offer buyers protection on intangible goods like this.

More importantly, he did receive the service. The service was the right to post 'blog entries' onto the 'BMR network' of blogs. He did that.

Unless they guaranteed rankings or search engine indexing, there's no argument.

I'm sure most people perceived they were purchasing rankings and 'permanent one-way contextual links,' but that is 'too good to be true.'

I think it's totally okay to cancel, but initiating PayPal chargebacks is definitely not the way (BTW, according to PayPal TOS you have to exhaust all avenues of dealing with the seller first, before opening a dispute.)

So ask BMR for a refund first and give them sufficient time to respond.

[Berkinb]

Those 1000 posts are dating back to June 2011 and have been indexed ever since (until this day).

I am not going to ask for a refund or anything since this is not actually their (BMR's) fault. We all knew what we were paying for and that nothing is forever (read longer than a few months) in SEO.

I actually feel sorry for BMR... For me, it was good while it lasted.

[bbncu]

Just to make it better guys, try to get a copy of your posts from BMR. They should be "original" again and you can package them up to form an article that will surely pass ezine or buzzle or just put them up as content on your site...

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by bbncu

Just to make it better guys, try to get a copy of your posts from BMR. They should be "original" again and you can package them up to form an article that will surely pass ezine or buzzle or just put them up as content on your site...

I like the fighting spirit! Try and salvage something out of it.

I really think Google targeted 'SEO Services' by infiltrating the forums, networks etc.

Plus all the snitches that turn in spam reports etc. The 'Men in White Hats' filling out their reports must be feeling very clever right now.

Still, these changes just leave more holes in Google. The best bet it is to look for a big truck to drive through one of those holes

[todawg_not]

Originally Posted by bbncu

Just to make it better guys, try to get a copy of your posts from BMR. They should be "original" again and you can package them up to form an article that will surely pass ezine or buzzle or just put them up as content on your site...

Wasn't aware about intangables with paypal

but good point by bbncu to repost your articles since they are already de-indexed.

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by todawg_not

Wasn't aware about intangables with paypal

but good point by bbncu to repost your articles since they are already de-indexed.

Most people aren't aware about the issue with PayPal. I just happen to work with billing for years now.

Still, I think you're more than justified to 'demand' a refund straight from the vendor.

But I think this is how it really breaks down.

Companies grow their affiliate network. The affiliates actually write the posts about 'How BMR boosted up my rankings,' etc. The webmasters of the affiliate sites push the pre-sold traffic into BMR where they sign up. They're excited about their rankings.

They click on 'I Agree' and skip reading the terms where the site states 'You're on your own. Not responsible for loss of income' etc.

Despite all that, if I was running the program, I probably would refund anyone who 'just paid' on a subscription without too many questions. That's especially true if ALL THEIR FRIGGING blog posts for two years were gone along with their rankings.

But that's just me.

[HKSEO Rotzee]

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Really? Damn! I'm going to be in the Philippines. Long Beach is DOPEEE.

Yup, well...actually..the jiu-jitsu tournament is in Long Beach, but my hotel is actually on Hermosa beach. I got an ocean front suite at Beach house on Hermosa.

I haven't stayed in this one yet, but its literally steps away from the sand, and I hear these ocean front suites I'm staying in, have amazing views...here is some pictures out of the suite I'm getting.










So I'm pretty stoked. Not to mention, one of my best friends coming for the jiu-jitsu tournament as well and he is staying in same hotel, so its gonna be a ****ing blast, can't wait.

[mosthost]

Looks awesome for sure