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Old 03-21-2012, 09:16 AM   #1
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I just received this email from High PR Society - a blog network that appeared to have escaped the wrath of Google.

Around a month ago several networks - SEO Nitro (Dori Friend), HomePageBacklinks.com (Terry Kyle), Backlink Monster (Brad Callen), etc - got largely deindexed by Google. As soon as that happened we locked down HPS to new users, changed hosting, and went underground as best we could. Our goal was to protect the service for our users and ourself.

Unfortunately, a few days ago our luck ran out. A bit more than half of our sites were deindexed. We've seen sites drop and come back, but I don't think that's going to happen this time.
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I recently filed a reconsideration request for a site that received the dreaded Notice of unnatural links. With all of the rankings dropping into oblivion overnight I figured i had nothing to lose.

Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?

I have link reports from most of the main Blog Networks that do or did advertise on warrior.
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No doubt they will now have a long list then ! Shows that some of these networks did work although it was always a short term strategy .

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Don't leave out the good news cssitkt

We closed down HPS to new members well before we were at capacity. Our current sites are at ~70% utilization AND we have at least 600 completely unused PR sites. We have enough sites to replace the ones that were lost.
We're also in discussions with possible domainer partners to add even more
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Don't leave out the good news cssitkt

We closed down HPS to new members well before we were at capacity. Our current sites are at ~70% utilization AND we have at least 600 completely unused PR sites. We have enough sites to replace the ones that were lost.
We're also in discussions with possible domainer partners to add even more
That's crazy talk. Only those in deep denial or blissfully ignorant would now consider using a blog network they didn't control to improve their rankings.
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That's crazy talk. Only those in deep denial or blissfully ignorant would now consider using a blog network they didn't control to improve their rankings.
So about half of all the "SEO" warriors?

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So about half of all the "SEO" warriors?
You could be right there

The trouble is a lot of the SEO services sold on Warrior work short term which is enough to get reviews and draw more customers in. People need to know that most of the services sold on warrior are complete rubbish with very little or no long term value.
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Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?
I think this is more than enough evidence that the latest scare tactic used by Google (unnatural link building emails) was just the means to infiltrate the blog networks.

These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.

People have exposed the networks they used in the hope that the penalties will be lifted.

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I think this is more than enough evidence that the latest scare tactic used by Google (unnatural link building emails) was just the means to infiltrate the blog networks.

These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.

People have exposed the networks they used in the hope that the penalties will be lifted.

Any other thoughts?
You could well be right - with 700,000 penalty messages going out to GWMT accounts in Feb, Google probably received quite a few confessions.

I have enough evidence on my hard drive to give Google at least 15,000 blog network URL's!!
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You could well be right - with 700,000 penalty messages going out to GWMT accounts in Feb, Google probably received quite a few confessions.

I have enough evidence on my hard drive to give Google at least 15,000 blog network URL's!!
If this is how they did it then these dudes in the Google plex are playing a game of chess with us IMers. They had us on check with that one but it is far from checkmate
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If this is how they did it then these dudes in the Google plex are playing a game of chess with us IMers. They had us on check with that one but it is far from checkmate
Absolutely....I have my next wave of sites all lined up and will using a completely new SEO strategy. Needless to say I wont be using any Private Blog Networks
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Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?
Oh man, what a classic police interrogation technique!

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These hits where not algorithmic, if they were then the entire network would have fallen and not just parts of it.
Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.

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Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?

LOL - not many things recently have surprised me but it does surprise me that they are being that flat out obvious However it does underline the point made above. it they were deindexing algo wise they wouldn't need that information.


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Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.
Good point - the way the Blog Networks are going down does look manual. I wonder who's next? I know of a few not effected....yet.
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Yep. the number one error people are running around now for no reason at all is that deindexing is an update to the algo. Deindexing is almost always a manual process that is different from the algo. If deindexing were the algo then all sites being crawled would be hit around the same time but we have seen one network go under the radar for a while then another while others are untouched and then another.

Problem for the rental networks is rather than innovate just about every network has been setup up the same copy cat way with just slight differences between them. So by now google probably does have a fairly streamlined way of outing and deindexing them.
Agreed! In the process G has also revealed their hand so innovation is definitely going to be embraced. We going to see new networks that's for sure and I bet the next step is tightly themed sites in the network using Joomla, custom built sites etc.

Interesting road ahead!
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The original 700K scare tactic was just that, a scare tactic.

So far all threads/comments I've seen people say their sites/pages had not dropped in the SERPs, but they were getting a message in GWT telling them to fix the problem links (LMAO! ).

I can only imagine how many thousands of people fell for that scare tactic.

My advise is, If pages haven't dropped into oblivion in the SERPs, leave the old links alone.

Good grief people, don't reply to the Google messages, use your head!

If you remove the old links you are guaranteed to drop in the SERPs. If Google does a manual penalty you'll drop in the SERPs. So you still have a 50% chance of holding SERP rank If you just ignore their message.

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What's funny is Google is actually playing whack-a-mole and in the process they highlighting the shortcomings of the algo!
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What's funny is Google is actually playing whack the mole and in the process they highlighting the shortcomings of the algo!
Yep, and no way are they going to do a manual penalty on 700K accounts.

Think about it, the average webmaster most likely has multiple sites, so I'm sure that the 700K is the number of accounts, not actual websites. I'm sure the actual number of sites is a lot larger number than 700k.

We all see the threads here on WF of people in panic mode, most likely they are creating their own problems by responding to the GWT messages.

Don't take the bait!

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Yep, and no way are they going to do a manual penalty on 700K accounts.
I just wanted to make a few points if I may...

1. Not all of those messages were about "unnatural links detected". So it's definitely less than 700k.

2. It makes no difference how many, they apply the penalties automatically. The process of identifying link sources is done semi-manually (by locating networks/sites), then they just follow the links and apply penalties to websites. There's absolutely no need for Google employees to manually penalize each and every account site.

3. I know at least 20+ people who got messages for anywhere from 1 to 20 websites and most of them have been hit by now (I'd say around 80%). Those who haven't been hit yet all got the messages not that long ago. For me personally it took exactly one week from receiving a message on two different websites (I don't have many sites linked though).

So yes, it is a scare tactic, but it is being fuelled forward by pretty harsh penalties all around. That's why it works so well.

Another thing (and why Google are OK with applying so many penalties) - the penalties expire over time. They de-index bad/spam blogs and the links naturally disappear. Over time, all of the penalized sites come back to their respective positions.

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And more importantly, this proves that blog networks DO work and that they CAN NOT CURRENTLY be addressed by the algo - if they could, google wouldn't be doing all of this manual de-indexing.

This is good news for people willing to invest in their own private networks.

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Definitely Oscar material!

But it has worked to a degree... I'm sure many webmasters will never think of ever purchasing another SEO service!
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I just wanted to make a few points if I may...

1. Not all of those messages were about "unnatural links detected". So it's definitely less than 700k.

2. It makes no difference how many, they apply the penalties automatically. The process of identifying link sources is done semi-manually (by locating networks/sites), then they just follow the links and apply penalties to websites. There's absolutely no need for Google employees to manually penalize each and every account site.

3. I know at least 20+ people who got messages for anywhere from 1 to 20 websites and most of them have been hit by now (I'd say around 80%). Those who haven't been hit yet all got the messages not that long ago. For me personally it took exactly one week from receiving a message on two different websites (I don't have many sites linked though).

So yes, it is a scare tactic, but it is being fuelled forward by pretty harsh penalties all around. That's why it works so well.

Another thing (and why Google are OK with applying so many penalties) - the penalties expire over time. They de-index bad/spam blogs and the links naturally disappear. Over time, all of the penalized sites come back to their respective positions.
Obviously I haven't read all the threads on the subject, but from the multiple threads I did read I haven't seen a single person say they've had any sites deindexed because of the BLs detected on 700k GWT message.



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Obviously I haven't read all the threads on the subject, but from the multiple threads I did read I haven't seen a single person say they've had any sites deindexed because of the BLs detected on 700k GWT message.
Not de-indexed, penalized. The backlink sources get de-indexed and the penalties slowly go away.

And yes both of my sites got penalized, along with dozens of sites from my Skype contacts list. All of these threads about rankings disappearing - if they didn't get a notification, that's because the sites were not using GWT.

There's a lot of legal ass-covering involved in this as well. Don't think that Google would use simple, kindergarten-like scare tactics. Those notifications also serve as a "advance notice", among other things.


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I recently filed a reconsideration request for a site that received the dreaded Notice of unnatural links. With all of the rankings dropping into oblivion overnight I figured i had nothing to lose.

Google replied and said: if you give us details of the SEO services you used this will increase your chance of having the penalty removed. I wonder how many people are handing over link reports?

I have link reports from most of the main Blog Networks that do or did advertise on warrior.
Wow they really said that?

That's intense they're truly after these networks

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The penalties are real that is for sure but those who got hit the hardest relied heavily on paid links for their ranking, so I would say in terms of the penalties their had to be an algo at work looking for certain patterns.

Here is one warrior that was hit and there are tons more over at Traffic Planet who were hit heavily:

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The penalties are real that is for sure but those who got hit the hardest relied heavily on paid links for their ranking, so I would say in terms of the penalties their had to be an algo at work looking for certain patterns.
Don't forget that they have the most powerful web scraper in existence today and they have a **** load of data about every website in their index. All they have to do is follow the backlinks. Changing IPs, nameservers, themes and all that crap doesn't help anything if you come under their radar. Sure, it takes a bit of manual work, but (obviously) they see it worth their while.

Think about it this way.

1. Get backlink parameters - contextual links from high PR pages (they have this data already).
2. This is the manual/semi-manual part. Identify blogs that belong to link networks (why they've been collecting data lately - so they don't hit legit blogs).
3. Follow the backlinks going out of those blog network blogs. Locate all sites and send out GWT messages (manipulating PR).

Now there are two possibilities.

#1 Apply manual penalties (makes little sense).

#2 This one makes more sense. They have a "rapid link loss" (or somethign similar) penalty which is built into the algorithm. Such a penalty expires after the algo determines that "bad links" are gone.

And so they de-index link sources (blog networks). Sites using networks get hit automatically (thus they do not need to manually penalize 700k or w/e sites).

Google knows that a lot of good sites will be effected by this, but that's OK - because they have removed the bad links themselves. The algorithm will take care of everything over time.

See where I'm coming from? I'm not a very experienced programmer, but this makes perfect sense to me. There's no magic involved, nothing special or too resource consuming. Most of the process is automated.

And yes, they have a very big legal department advising them throughout the whole process. Hence the notification messages and all that (they also serve as a scare machine, a win-win).

inb4 you give Google too much credit.

I don't think that I'm giving Google too much credit here. This is pretty basic logic, IMO. In fact, I believe that they have the whole process simplified even more, somehow.

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Don't forget that they have the most powerful web scraper in existence today and they have a **** load of data about every website in their index. All they have to do is follow the backlinks. Changing IPs, nameservers, themes and all that crap doesn't help anything if you come under their radar. Sure, it takes a bit of manual work, but (obviously) they see it worth their while.

Think about it this way.

1. Get backlink parameters - contextual links from high PR pages (they have this data already).
2. This is the manual/semi-manual part. Identify blogs that belong to link networks (why they've been collecting data lately - so they don't hit legit blogs).
3. Follow the backlinks going out of those blog network blogs. Locate all sites and send out GWT messages (manipulating PR).

Now there are two possibilities.

#1 Apply manual penalties (makes little sense).

#2 This one makes more sense. They have a "rapid link loss" (or somethign similar) penalty which is built into the algorithm. Such a penalty expires after the algo determines that "bad links" are gone.

And so they de-index link sources (blog networks). Sites using networks get hit automatically (thus they do not need to manually penalize 700k or w/e sites).

Google knows that a lot of good sites will be effected by this, but that's OK - because they have removed the bad links themselves. The algorithm will take care of everything over time.

See where I'm coming from? I'm not a very experienced programmer, but this makes perfect sense to me. There's no magic involved, nothing special or too resource consuming. Most of the process is automated.

And yes, they have a very big legal department advising them throughout the whole process. Hence the notification messages and all that (they also serve as a scare machine, a win-win).

inb4 you give Google too much credit.

I don't think that I'm giving Google too much credit here. This is pretty basic logic, IMO. In fact, I believe that they have the whole process simplified even more, somehow.
This makes perfect sense and I have no doubt that the intellectuals at Google have instituted a system that involves a great deal of automation. It may even be close to your line of thought.

The problem I have with your theory is that sites are not recovering and if the "bad links" as you put it are actually been removed by Google themselves (through deindexing) then the penalty should resolve fairly quickly. Why are people's sites not recovering?

Remember these messages were going out to people from last year and from what I have read (no solid proof) many of these penalties have not been lifted.

Lastly, Mike did mention in a reply earlier that G probably has a way of outing a network by now with all the data they have collected recently. So the future of the conventional type blog network may be dead. It can be something as simple as: Worpress + High Posting Frequency = Red Flag - Check!

With that said do we agree that the deindexing of the network itself has to be done manually, or risk deindexing real sites if is an automated process?

I'm now wondering whether they actually used the WMT message as a scare tactic to find the networks or whether it was actually an agorithmic process that helped uncover the network. Seeing that the messages in WMT are actually been received after the deindexing of the network I guess the latter now makes more sense.
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Receiving an email from Google coinciding with all of your rankings vanish is enough to scare most people. If your rankings vanish there's nothing to lose from requesting reconsideration which is when google asks you for as much info about the paid links as possible.

If google stick to this game, Private Blog Networks will never work because there will always be site owners ready to spill the beans if and when they receive a penalty. Considering these changes I think blog networks are 100% dead unless you alone own it and keep it very secret and well maintained.

Link building now has to be done in way that blends in completely with natural links.
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Not de-indexed, penalized. The backlink sources get de-indexed and the penalties slowly go away.

And yes both of my sites got penalized, along with dozens of sites from my Skype contacts list. All of these threads about rankings disappearing - if they didn't get a notification, that's because the sites were not using GWT.

There's a lot of legal ass-covering involved in this as well. Don't think that Google would use simple, kindergarten-like scare tactics. Those notifications also serve as a "advance notice", among other things.
If Google drops the site providing the backlinks (example BMR), then those BMR style pages are probably getting deindexed or the pages removed by BMR.

If a guy has a BL on a deindexed page or a page removed by BMR (again BMR is the example) then that's not a penalty on the site the BL was pointing at.

Losing a BL is not a penalty. Losing BLs will surely make your page drop in the SERPs, again, it's not a penalty to lose backlinks.

Build new backlinks equivalent to the old BLs.

Google is setting bait in those GWT messages, they can't prove anyone built links, they are tricking people into confessing they built BLs.

The only penalty anyone can prove is being deindexed (site:URL).



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I don't know whether or not to be excited by this stuff or scared.

Excited because maybe white hat SEO will start working, scared because maybe it won't and no one will be able to influence the search engines effectively and SEOs will basically be out of a job.

Hard to say moving forward.

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If Google drops the site providing the backlinks (example BMR), then those BMR style pages are probably getting deindexed or the pages removed by BMR.

If a guy has a BL on a deindexed page or a page removed by BMR (again BMR is the example) then that's not a penalty on the site the BL was pointing at.

Losing a BL is not a penalty. Losing BLs will surely make your page drop in the SERPs, again, it's not a penalty to lose backlinks.

Build new backlinks equivalent to the old BLs.

Google is setting bait in those GWT messages, they can't prove anyone built links, they are tricking people into confessing they built BLs.

The only penalty anyone can prove is being deindexed (site:URL).
Sorry Yukon, I agree with most of your posts, but this one just makes no sense...

Penalties are very real, and they aren't simply rankings dropping due to a loss of backlinks. Both of my sites held solid top 5 positions before I used ALN -> got WMT messages -> dropped to pages 5/6. That's a penalty.

I know what I'm talking about, I track a load of data and use pretty much every technique out there. This isn't theory, it's actual data. Many other people have reported the exact same thing.

They can prove it - all they have to do is identify blog networks that sell links and the penalize all sites that those blog networks link out to.

Negative SEO is real, it's not a myth. Penalizing a competitor's website is very easy right now (unless it's a true authority website with a gigantic link profile).

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Receiving an email from Google coinciding with all of your rankings vanish is enough to scare most people. If your rankings vanish there's nothing to lose from requesting reconsideration which is when google asks you for as much info about the paid links as possible.

If google stick to this game, Private Blog Networks will never work because there will always be site owners ready to spill the beans if and when they receive a penalty. Considering these changes I think blog networks are 100% dead unless you alone own it and keep it very secret and well maintained.

Link building now has to be done in way that blends in completely with natural links.
Let's define private & public backlink networks:
  • Private BL Network - The general public doesn't know the network exist.
  • Public BL Network - Everyone knows for a fact the network exist, heck their sales pages are ranking well in the SERPs (lol).

I have no doubts that private BL networks will continue working well to rank pages in the SERPs. Remember If the BL network is truly private 99.999... of IMers will never know about it.

I predict guys like Mike Anthony will be busy this year.



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I agree with bnetwork on this one. When you receive a message from google in your GWMT account saying Google has detected unnatural links and that message coincides with total loss of rankings for all keywords - that's a penalty.

I've seen it with several sites now and exactly the same thing happens - one month on and the rankings have not returned.
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I predict guys like Mike Anthony will be busy this year.
Mike Anthony might be busy this year but it will be from selling his course on how to build your own private blog network, not necessarily from his blog network. All it takes is for one of his clients to receive the dreaded unnatural links message and then Google will be asking for details.

I hope it doesn't happen but Private Blog Networks are just too risky. Even if you build the best blog network that appears completely natural, all it takes is for someone with a penalty notice to freak out and hand over the details in their reconsideration request.

The only Private Blog Networks that will work are the ones you build yourself and keep to yourself
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Mike Anthony might be busy this year but it will be from selling his course on how to build your own private blog network
That's what I was referring to.



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Mike Anthony might be busy this year but it will be from selling his course on how to build your own private blog network, not necessarily from his blog network. All it takes is for one of his clients to receive the dreaded unnatural links message and then Google will be asking for details.
Warning long answer - lots to correct

and why would they receive such a notice if the links are in fact quite natural to the content? See this is where no offense but you guys get trapped in your ideas of networks. You really don't know what networks look like that are NOT the public rental ones.

Let me give you two small clues.

Never seen a links page like links.php or links.html. Standard practice. Have they all been deindexed even though quite a few of them have high PR and are not nofollowed? Nope because the links there fit the context of what the site is about. You have no clue which one take payments and which don't and neither does Google so they have left them alone. Hint: a pile of them can be bought.

Ever heard of a blog by John chow? DO you have any idea over the years how many sites he has linked to in the IM niche and has he been de-indexed? On both cases the links placed make sense within the context of what the site was about. Now answer honestly - have you ever seen ANY rental blog network that has content that all makes sense being together on the same page? No. SO trying to claim that all Networks are toast because you don't know about networks that are not rental is lets just say REALLY over reaching

Final two clues.

Can you spot a network that has less than ten links to their clients ON THE ENTIRE Domain? Forget just the front page crowding nonsense. What if it also links to Adobe, legit businesses in your local are and ton loads of other sites.

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Do you know there are networks that never link direct to client sites? NEVER.


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I hope it doesn't happen but Private Blog Networks are just too risky. Even if you build the best blog network that appears completely natural, all it takes is for someone with a penalty notice to freak out and hand over the details in their reconsideration request.
A) why would a site get a penalty notice if the links the pages come from look completely natural? Is the bogeyman going t get you for every link even if it looks natural?. If theres no evidence then Google would have to be penalizing you based on suspicion in which case you could get a penalty from any site so why care? You might as well get out of Search engine traffic all together because if a blogger one day says hey thats a neat site and does so naturally then Google might say you slipped him cash when there was none offered.

B) what details would they have to hand over? Again your stuck in your rental network understanding and applying it to all networks. I don't give out links. I don't offer my network to renters. I will robot text the main backlink checkers so you don't even know you are getting links. . Now will people here accustomed to link rentals balk at that (and my price tag) . Sure. I had one just last night that said I had his head spinning . He wanted to know how many links. I told him no promises and no numbers. People who gave out link reports are just asking for trouble. You get none from me. My job is to rank you not tell you how I did it or how many links you got. Link counters I send packing. Thing is business owners never ask or care. they just see the customers coming in and thats all they want where the average renter wants to hear numbers and will go crazy with positive reviews based on numbers while they are at the bottom of page one getting no traffic.

Frankly half the problem with rental networks was that they attracted the link counters and so they HAD to give out all their links which = kiss of death.

The only people who I want to see links is google. I'll block Opensite explorer, block majestic, block Yahoo when they were around etc. So good luck finding the links to give to google.

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That's crazy talk. Only those in deep denial or blissfully ignorant would now consider using a blog network they didn't control to improve their rankings.
A blog network they control, thats even more blissfull... Forget money you spent renting or buy a few links...how would you like to waste Tens of thousands of dollars building a network that "You control" and have it nuked. We talked to a Private network owner and he used his network ONLY for himself and look what happened to him.


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- Fully private network of over 2000 sites. Only he posted on the network.
- Content was average quality.
- Lost 90% around a month ago.

As "J" lost his network, we compared notes. At the time, Our network was staying alive while his was getting destroyed. As it turns out, we were both using SEOHosting.com. We both had multiple servers with them and we noticed that his servers were getting taken down one by one. We had overlap with him on one server, and that server had around 50% deindexing for us. That day we moved hosting and locked things down and everything has been great for a month.

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A blog network they control, thats even more blissfull... Forget money you spent renting or buy a few links...how would you like to waste Tens of thousands of dollars building a network that "You control" and have it nuked. We talked to a Private network owner and he used his network ONLY for himself and look what happened to him.


Private Network Owner "J"
- Fully private network of over 2000 sites. Only he posted on the network.
- Content was average quality.
- Lost 90% around a month ago.

As "J" lost his network, we compared notes. At the time, Our network was staying alive while his was getting destroyed. As it turns out, we were both using SEOHosting.com. We both had multiple servers with them and we noticed that his servers were getting taken down one by one. We had overlap with him on one server, and that server had around 50% deindexing for us. That day we moved hosting and locked things down and everything has been great for a month.
Honestly, all that tells me is that just because someone created a network themselves doesn't mean they did it well enough. The info you gave here is not enough to tell us that it was actually a well done network. In fact if it looked just like BMR style networks but with a bit better content and only he is linking from it, that is only marginally better.

Read Mike's last post for a few hints on what can be done to make things look more natural before saying that relying on a personal network is blissful ignorance. It takes more work to do it right, but you really can have a network of site that people would never guess were in a backlink network.


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Private Network Owner "J"
- Fully private network of over 2000 sites. Only he posted on the network.
- Content was average quality.
- Lost 90% around a month ago.

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J's site most likely had low low quality since no on e can handle content on two thousand sites without spinning and junk quality. It seems obvious to me he was running it just like rental networks do. You are right being private doesn't mean anything if you are going to do it just like the rental networks did.

Now the SEO hosting thing is something though. I have always advocated mixing things up with regular hosts but I think now I will just stay away from the SEo hosts completely and recommend likewise. That IS something to consider


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Blogs rarely have dedicated IPs, let alone on separate class C IP addresses.

There is a shortage of ipV4 addresses. Undoubtedly this type of service raises many eyebrows.
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I had my suspicions that this was a tactic to get people to not only rat out themselves but blog networks as well. I didn't say anything but I saw a few people publicly state that they thought this was going on. It was a pretty obvious ploy but I guess when they pull something of this magnitude they're going to catch a bunch of people that fall for it.

Google outsmarted SEOs with a pretty obvious trick. I guess you have to give them credit for that.

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You know whats funny? I'm a pretty hardcore user of high PR society and despite the deindexing of a large portion of their sites my rankings hardly dropped. Guess it works to diversify your backlinks.

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That's pretty thorough Mike and credit to you, however I still think there is a small element of risk.

Even if your links are indistinguishable from natural, the client could be using other low quality link building techniques that result in an unnatural links detected notice. If the client then confesses to using SEO Link Building Services and gives details I think google can find the links quite easily without a link report.

Of course google may not be able to recognize your links as bought, even under manual review and with a bit of luck that would be the case.
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J's site most likely had low low quality since no on e can handle content on two thousand sites without spinning and junk quality. It seems obvious to me he was running it just like rental networks do. You are right being private doesn't mean anything if you are going to do it just like the rental networks did.
Pretty much this. I've said in maybe ten posts now - you need to run your blog networks like real blogs. Pick a theme and build then around your money sites. So you have a site about headaches? Build a blog network of "natural health/remedies" blogs and keep all articles on the same topic. Then link out from the network to your money blogs.

Another thing - there's no need for hundreds of blogs. A strong 10 blog network can help you rank 3-10 money sites over time. Get 20 or 30 blogs in your network to further hide footprints.

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Not sure what to make of this to be honest. I'm hosting most of my sites across a bunch of regular shared hosting accounts (one per domain) at hostgator, bluehost, site5, fatcow, etc... it's a bit more expensive, but I prefer it this way.


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Even if your links are indistinguishable from natural, the client could be using other low quality link building techniques that result in an unnatural links detected notice. If the client then confesses to using SEO Link Building Services and gives details I think google can find the links quite easily without a link report.
I actually do agree with this. Paying for links is against Google TOS. All the client has to do is show an invoice of any sort that in some way links it to links bought from your network and you're done.

Not providing a link report can help if you have perfect blogs in your network, but I doubt it... Which is why I do not use my networks to rank clients. I know this is what Mike advocates doing (working on client sites it's good business, I just prefer working on my own sites). You really just have to take that risk sometimes, I guess.

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I've also been thinking a lot about SEO hosting. I'm not claiming to be an expert on hosting but if Google uncovers a block of IP's used for SEO hosting then I think all of the sites found on those IP's are in trouble even if they look natural.

Given Google's recent hard stance I'd rather blend in using standard shared hosting. Sure you need to manage a few accounts but I think it may be safer.

Uncovering SEO Hosting IP's would be a jackpot hit for Google - 1000's of link building sites in one go...Ouch!
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My advise is, If pages haven't dropped into oblivion in the SERPs, leave the old links alone.

Good grief people, don't reply to the Google messages, use your head!
Totally agree here Yukon, if people actually reply then they are just idiots. All it takes is to say I used local company (made up name) seo services and not sure what they used and they will not tell me, they have confirmed they have removed the links they could blah blah and then see what happens.

But this has been a big scare tactic and a lot have not seen the penalty.

There is also the thought that they got lots of scared people giving out URLs and then assessed them manually and then created some kind of algo to identify and deindexed these domains?? Who really knows though hey ?!
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But this has been a big scare tactic and a lot have not seen the penalty.
It's not a scare tactic. It's a simple advance notice to cover their asses in case your site means a lot to you. They have to give you every reasonably possible notice before penalizing a site.

If your site hasn't been penalized yet - it's not going to be that way for long.

To all the people who got these messages and claim that they haven't been penalized - I doubt it. I have loads of proof showing the exact opposite. Most of you here are just posting for the sake of arguing. You haven't got a single message from Google, you don't track anything and most of you have no sites in the top results for any meaningful keywords anyways. lolz

If anyone has real data to share/discuss - get in touch. Theorists will theorize, lol.

Use your heads, you're not dealing with a company run by amateurs. Stop thinking like one.

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I my case it was not a scare tactic - 3 sites completely dropped rankings after receiving the message from Google and after a month non have recovered.

These three sites together made more than $3000 a week
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It's not a scare tactic. It's a simple advance notice to cover their asses in case your site means a lot to you. They have to give you every reasonably possible notice before penalizing a site.

If your site hasn't been penalized yet - it's not going to be that way for long.

To all the people who got these messages and claim that they haven't been penalized - I doubt it. I have loads of proof showing the exact opposite. Most of you here are just posting for the sake of arguing. You haven't got a single message from Google, you don't track anything and most of you have no sites in the top results for any meaningful keywords anyways. lolz

If anyone has real data to share/discuss - get in touch. Theorists will theorize, lol.

Use your heads, you're not dealing with a company run by amateurs. Stop thinking like one.
The penalties do exist and those who are in denial about it will soon get hit if they did receive the msg, via WMT. I know it took 3 weeks after receiving the msg. on one of my sites for it to get hit and others have seen the penalty come after 6 weeks.

The signs that it will come is a very unstable site that starts bouncing around from page one to 3-4 for many keywords then bang - all KWs drop!

But you still didn't answer the question I asked earlier? With your theory sites should recover quickly due to the "bad links" been removed by Google themselves through the deindexing. Why are sites not recovering?

If this is algorithmic as you believe it is then sites should begin recovering! Who knows maybe it will take 6months to a year? I know my site is stuck where it is regardless of what I do but it is still early days for me!
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I my case it was not a scare tactic - 3 sites completely dropped rankings after receiving the message from Google and after a month non have recovered.

These three sites together made more than $3000 a week
Ouch, that's a hefty loss. And exactly what I mean - it's not a scare tactic and a lot of people are going to/have lost rankings from this. Those who haven't - they never got the message, because they either didn't use these blog networks to rank or they don't even have any websites.

I lost good sites to this, and so have many others. My sites have mostly recovered now. Mostly - not quite there yet (one is #26 and the other one #8, both were top 3 before getting slapped to pages 5-6 and 10). Neither of the two sites got their initial rankings from blog networks - those were done to push them to #1's (heh).

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