Google algo change today?

[Steadyon]

Originally Posted by mosthost

How realistic was it really for these 'families' to rely on income that solely existed due to Google rankings? Worse, calling this a 'business' put these poor families into a mindset that they were doing something much more substantial than 'gaming Google' for easy money.

Real business survive algo updates all the time, without flinching. They have more than one source of traffic. These strange 'Google-Only' monstrosities are not businesses.

I'm not diminishing the pain these poor misled fools must feel now that they're been bankrupted within a few days of an 'algo adjustment,' but let's get serious here. Slapping up a few pages of content and spamming thousands of backlinks is hardly building a business.

I've run a business for twenty years. Do you realize that even the most basic 'business expenses' add up to $40,000 a year or more? Do you know much paperwork and overhead a business has? Even small ones are costly to operate.

Please climb down off your High Horse.

You insult too many people here.

A lot of decent websites without crappy spammy backlinks got hit in these past few weeks.

Are all of these people "poor misled fools" to quote you?

Put a sock in it.

[malcsimm]

A site of mine was getting 15k visitors a month in January 2011.

With me doing nothing special to it at all, this rose to 20k by May 2011, 25k October, 32k January 2012. Thanks a lot Google!

Then the downfall: Feb 28k: March 22k: April 13k. Google - you b*stards! LOL

I've done almost nothing to rank this site: it's just 90 pages of old newsletter content of mine that has been up there for 10 years.

No backlinking, no BuildMyRank, no article marketing, no Fiverr "specials", no Scrapebox, no SENuke. Nothing, Nada. Just sitting there.

Not even very well optimized.

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Google traffic hit
A selection of my sites by unique visitors show (today - monthly traffic):

Down 42%
Down 4%
Down 5%
Down 8%
Up 53%
Up 22%
Down 10%

Looks like some-and-some to me. And I expect there's a bit of dancing in there - some will bounce back, doubtless.

+++++++++++++++

The lessons are clear, as others have been saying:
- Don't rely on Google for your money - diversify
- Be cautious which sites you put in G Analytics, and also what you use Gmail accounts for (eg "spamming" social bookmarking sites, etc)
- Be careful with your link-building. Dont' mass backlink your main sites. (Use "buffer" or "feeder" sites, which are expendable, but can pass on PR to your main sites.)
- When you build links, get a variety; drip them fairly slowly, and be consistent over time - don't get 500 one week then no more for a month.
- Centre your backlinking efforts around a small number of high quality links (high PR - 5/6/7) and support these with a variety of lower quality links with a good variety of anchor text.
- Let "natural" be your guide
- Look out for "footprints" which can be identified and punished. That's how BMR sites got hit.

Do No Evil
And finally, I find it helpful to remember that Google's greatest fear is that it will start to fail to provide good quality search results to its users. G's whole business revolves around search, though they are trying to diversify. And a lot of their income, I seem to recall a huge majority of it, is from Adwords. And no-one using their search means vastly reduced income from Adwords for them. So that is their fear.

They are not setting out to screw Internet marketers. And let's face it: it's actually a pretty good search engine, though I say so myself!

They are setting out to deliver good search results. But they are not always good - sometimes their search results contain cr*p sites, and they are aware of that and trying to fix it. (Panda, Penguin, Platypus, Partridge, Peacock... etc)

We are all just playing in the same game and need to plan our own strategies accordingly. The parts of our businesses relying on Google need to revolve around providing good quality content for searchers. If we do that - and make sure we are not relying on Google for too much of our income, we can't go wrong.

[stanleylyndon]

You make some good points Malc.

[Rajinder]

sannntiago

I hope this will not be here. I have hopes that Google will need to finish the update. I hope things improve.

If google stops updating than google will be full of spam site and we will not be able to get good results or useful information..
Just go for proper SEO . you site will never go down.
Thaanks
Rajinder Ricky

[jacksonlin]

That's the problem. People with 100% clean "no where close to blackhat" sites were penalized too! THAT'S THE PROBLEM!

[Ravisharma]

google algo is change ranking, keywords and so many more

[maheshr]

Any updates guys. One of my site is still beyond #500 th, before it was in top 5.

[shifat]

it looks like everyone been suffered with the recent algo changes in here!

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by maheshr

Any updates guys. One of my site is still beyond #500 th, before it was in top 5.

No change apart from traffic is getting worser. Two days in a row without any sales. Yesterday was the first day of the year I had no sales, now its two days in a row.

I don't think hoping things are going to change is going to work, we need to build backlinks then wait for the next update.

[plsearch]

The update appears to continue to roll out, sites I thought made it through are now losing big rankings this week.

[1byte]

Originally Posted by Rajinder

Just go for proper SEO . you site will never go down.
Thaanks

Rajinder Ricky

So what is "proper SEO" these days? There are many webmasters who practiced what they thought was proper SEO as defined by Google, only to get hammered by the Penguin on April 24th 2012.

[Dayne Dylan]

There is no such thing as proper SEO with Google anymore.

[golu]

yes google algo is change yestarday a new virsion update penguin 1.1

[golu]

hi friends how are you

[CyborgX]

Any artificially inflated keyword density (10% and over) is keyword stuffing and you risk getting banned from search engines.

[Chronic IM]

Hello! Google is a bit nuts nowadays. I think this may last longer. Well, for all of you who got hit, good luck on your plans. Best of luck!

[Austin E Anthony]

If you are still suffering from Penguin, do a 301 redirect and get your rankings back. I did 301 on ALL my sites that got hit with a special 301 code I coded and I recovered all the sites back to page one and they have been there for 2 months now ranking steady.

Just make sure you do the 301 properly otherwise the penalty will transfer and you will lose ranking again.

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by young-Money

If you are still suffering from Penguin, do a 301 redirect and get your rankings back. I did 301 on ALL my sites that got hit with a special 301 code I coded and I recovered all the sites back to page one and they have been there for 2 months now ranking steady.

Just make sure you do the 301 properly otherwise the penalty will transfer and you will lose ranking again.

Do you need to buy new domains to do a 301 redirect? How do you do a 301 properly, do you have a link to a guide which explains each step?

There has only been 1 penguin refresh so far around 26th May, so how have your sites been ranking steady for 2 months since recovering?

[Austin E Anthony]

Yes, new domain. I don't have a guide but starting a service soon to help warriors recover their ranking with the same method I used. Since I did the redirects, all my sites came back and have been ranking ever since. That has been 2 months now.

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by young-Money

Yes, new domain. I don't have a guide but starting a service soon to help warriors recover their ranking with the same method I used. Since I did the redirects, all my sites came back and have been ranking ever since. That has been 2 months now.

2 months ago was 28th April, which was only 4 days after the penguin update. How could you have recovered after just 4 days when the first penguin refresh wasn't until near end of May?

How does the 301 recover your rankings? If it uses new urls then don't you need to build new backlinks to the new domain before you get your previous rankings prior to Penguin?

[Austin E Anthony]

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

[cooler1]

Originally Posted by young-Money

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

I thought Penguin only started to roll out on 24th April, so if you got hit on 18th April what makes you think that was due to Penguin?

Most people say that Penguin is mainly due to backlinking and over optimization, so if the backlinks which were pointing to your old site then point to your new site, why doesn't Penguin trigger on the new domain also?

[mosthost]

Originally Posted by Steadyon

Please climb down off your High Horse.

You insult too many people here.

A lot of decent websites without crappy spammy backlinks got hit in these past few weeks.

Are all of these people "poor misled fools" to quote you?

Put a sock in it.

I'm not riding a high horse. I'm just really tired of people complaining about how their ride on the Google gravy train came to an end. That's life. Deal with it.

Nobody told people to hire multiple employees based on revenue derived from search results only. Come on man, that's downright idiotic. Do you think anyone can honestly predict how much traffic Google is going to send them year in and year out? That's no way to project revenues or to do business.

Within hours of the average Google update there are people firing employees or jumping off the nearest cliff. Get serious here. Business is filled with challenges. Google updates their algo hundreds of times every year. Can you really afford to run your business based on what they're doing? I don't think so.

[ayamkampung]

Google is becoming God and doing whatever it likes

[Jasonsc]

Originally Posted by young-Money

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

Originally Posted by cooler1

I thought Penguin only started to roll out on 24th April, so if you got hit on 18th April what makes you think that was due to Penguin?

Most people say that Penguin is mainly due to backlinking and over optimization, so if the backlinks which were pointing to your old site then point to your new site, why doesn't Penguin trigger on the new domain also?

I believe that what young-Money's sites COULD have been hit by was actually a bit of a glitch with Google's "classifier for parked domains" which was reported in and around the 18th. https://plus.google.com/109412257237...ts/BBDZDq3a5DR

Cooler, I also believe that you are right in what you say - a 301 redirect pushes any link authority from the old domain to the new and should be used for when moving a site. If Google punishes a site for some reason then that punishment will also be passed through the 301, to the best of my knowledge.
It is logical after all - why would Google come up with a complex algorithm to rank (or derank) websites only to also offer a way for sites which Google deemed were of a low quality / had a dodgey backlink profile / etc to simply transfer everything to a new domain except for the punishments which were incurred on the first domain.

They wouldn't. In my opinion.

young-Money, before offering any sort of service, if I were you I'd make fully certain of a) what your sites were actually hit by, b) why your 301 solution worked and c) that you didn't engage in any black hat activities to regain your ranking.
You haven't done a very good job of explaining yourself in this thread thus far - and while it's fine to say what worked for you and why you think it worked for you it is another issue entirely to offer a service (attempt to get other warriors to pay you) to help people to regain there rankings through your method unless you can state clearly what it is.

Fwiw, I don't need help in this regard I just came across the thread and figured I'd add my thoughts to the discussion ... although the OP is a long while ago.

[Austin E Anthony]

Well, I clearly know what Penguin is and that was what I was hit by. I have been following this thread since day one. The day everyone stated that they got hit is the day I got hit as well.

Sorry guys, I may not be right on the exact timing since my sites came back but all I did was 301 but this was done properly. I cannot give everything away at the moment because I plan to start a service and I am also going to show my websites that got hit and came back through redirects so that everyone can see for themselves.

I didn't do any black hat. I am a white hat kind of guy but even the white hat sites got hits when penguin algo. came.

Anyway, I am only taking about what has worked for me. I may not be the only person that knows this system of recovery because I have seen few people in my niche doing the same thing and their sites I haven't seen in serp for a while is back and when you go to their original site, its a redirect to the new site so this system is working and effective.

Hope that clears things up.

[arnie19]

Originally Posted by Eyetrap

Should we remove articles from the spun blog networks that point to our sites?

Yep you must

[hilarious89]

Yes. My page rank downed from 1 to 0.

[miskat]

i heard google now a day focusing on onpage seo and existing blog on site
is it true for ranking and SERP???

[agapril07]

Originally Posted by miskat

i heard google now a day focusing on onpage seo and existing blog on site
is it true for ranking and SERP???

lol. Bump from the dead.