Dillute My Anchor Text With Spam?

by momo3
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I hate to whine but this Penguin update has brought me to a very sad and dark place.

I am sure it has happened to many of you too.

"Create compelling content. Thats what you need to do. I am sorry you lost rank. None of my sites did," I can hear someone say.

Yeah, well, I did that. I created great content but its in a niche that very few people would joyfully create links to.

Anyway, I was thinking about testing a site where I'd spam it with a few thousand links to say click here, domainnamehere.com, and dozens of other terms like that to try to dillute my anchor text.

I highly doubt it will work... but sometimes I think its NOT about where the links come from but simply the ratios.

However, a different part of me thinks it (penguin) is very much about where the links come from...

Thoughts?
#anchor #dillute #spam #text
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I wouldn't waste my own time with stuff like that (click here, etc..).
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    • Profile picture of the author carolrt
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I wouldn't waste my own time with stuff like that (click here, etc..).
      Interesting. I've seen a lot of links recently with "click here."

      My first thought is to chuckle and think they are trying
      to compete with adobe!

      How about no anchor text at all, just the bare http: etc... ?

      No question anchor text matters. For good or bad. If google
      had ways of dealing with anchor text as a "signal," then it
      makes sense they have ways to note the signal of spam.

      I don't think anchor text alone can signal spam. It has to
      be sheer numbers, the words chosen, as well as the location.
      Putting up a bunch of blog comments could signal spam by
      itself. And spammy anchor text, high up, in content, in
      a very authoritative site would not.

      Carol
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I don't really think sending a ton of low quality links to your site is going to do any good. If anything, it'd probably just make things worse. Save the lower quality links for your tiers.

    You can still diversify your anchor text with a fewer number of quality links. Though it may be difficult if you've got a ton of links with the same anchor text already created.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Penguin appears to tackle link source i.e. spam and anchor text ratio's. It also appears to have a threshold - i'd tested a few sites with spam since penguin and up to a point the links increase ranking and then there comes a point where a limit is reached and the site falls sharply into obscurity.

      Scott
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

        Penguin appears to tackle link source i.e. spam and anchor text ratio's. It also appears to have a threshold - i'd tested a few sites with spam since penguin and up to a point the links increase ranking and then there comes a point where a limit is reached and the site falls sharply into obscurity.

        Scott
        ^ This. Gotta mix up the anchor text. It's imperative!
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      • Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

        Penguin appears to tackle link source i.e. spam and anchor text ratio's. It also appears to have a threshold - i'd tested a few sites with spam since penguin and up to a point the links increase ranking and then there comes a point where a limit is reached and the site falls sharply into obscurity.

        Scott
        Hi Scott, do you mind sharing that "magic" number with us? I have been thinking about analyzing the ratio on my own sites. How do you do it?

        I can download the links from Webmaster Tools, but how do you check the anchor text for each link? Is there a tool for this? Preferably a free one.
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  • Profile picture of the author seospecial
    You are so right, I have been very confused too, lately and trying to get all those links right, after the penguin update.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Yukon -- would you -- in any case -- ever dilute your anchor text on a penguin-penalized site?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Yukon -- why would you not dilute your anchor text on a penguin-penalized site?
      Why is that going to work is the better question?

      You were penalized for the 'wrong kind of links.' You'll be getting more of those type of links. Why would that 'dilute' anything.

      It seems more likely that getting the right kind of links would be the way to go. However, you've ruled that out for your website.

      Why not start a new domain? Your website can't be very valuable now that it's penalized. Starting fresh might yield you quicker results.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    I meant make my profile more like this:

    http://seo-hacker.com/wp-content/upl...xt_natural.jpg

    I do have many sites.

    The site is worth a lot.


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    And I agree, it probably not wise to do backlink spam when spam is what they are targeting... but I was just thinking that maybe its more about the RATIO and not as much of the origin... as there are many small sites at the top rihgt now with crappy backlinks.. (however, I think since they haev smaller profiles they are probably not signaling G)

    Just brainstorming here.. thats all.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      I meant make my profile more like this:

      http://seo-hacker.com/wp-content/upl...xt_natural.jpg

      I do have many sites.

      The site is worth a lot.


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      And I agree, it probably not wise to do backlink spam when spam is what they are targeting... but I was just thinking that maybe its more about the RATIO and not as much of the origin... as there are many small sites at the top rihgt now with crappy backlinks.. (however, I think since they haev smaller profiles they are probably not signaling G)

      Just brainstorming here.. thats all.
      I know. I don't blame you for not wanting to give up revenue!

      I think you should at least try your idea. Try some links without any surrounding text and also throw in "MyDomain.com" type branded links. If you're right that it's a ratio, you would bounce back.

      If you roughly know how many links you already have, it should be fairly easy to reduce the ratio.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Scott:

    When you say "Falls sharply into obscurity" --- do you mean that it falls off of G's radar once it hits a point of dilution?

    And yes I also would like to know if there is a way to analyze...

    Supposedly you could upload your backlink profile from Open Site Explorer and upload it into Link Detective and it would show this.. but Link Detective never worked for me.

    (Learned this here: http://kaiserthesage.com/anti-penguin-link-building/)
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Very difficult to say when Penguin is gonna kick in and devalue all the links it suspects are spam. Domain age, other authority links, balance of high quality to low quality links etc etc may all play a part.

      For example i started a new test site and created about 100 spam links. The site moved into position 1 for the targeted keyword which only had 500 exact searches a month. I kept pushing the spam and then bang! site not ranking in the top 100 pages of Google. Just out of interest I removed most of the spam and created a few quality links and the site started to move back up the SERPS.

      It's almost link penguin gives you the benefit of the doubt when checking links until it's sure you're spamming than it ruthlessly devalues all the links which cause rankings to plummet.

      I don't think it's a penalty like the Unnatural Links Notice we saw so much of before penguin because it's possible to regain rankings by reducing the spam and adding quality links.

      Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Scott my man

    So you didn't dilute --- you deleted them on your test, and replaced with quality?

    Correct?
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Hi momo3,

      i didn't dilute the spam or anchor text, i removed most of the spam links and added some quality links.

      However, I think the Penguin trigger is probably affected by the ratio of high quality links to low quality links along with anchor text ratio and domain age etc. Every site, including 100% natural sites, have links in the profile that could be considered spam so I think ratio does play a part. Google will let a few spam links pass if you have some quality in the mix. Of course I don't know for sure but this is my guess.

      The problem is most people have just been pushing out 1000's of spam links with over optimized money keywords which is very easy to detect.

      I checked out the Warrior services section the other day and could hardly find a service that created a single quality link
      Blog networks worked ok as they were not so easy to tag as spam but now they carry an even greater risk - the Unnatural Links Penalty.

      My conclusion so far is to cut out the spam links and build link profiles and anchor text ratio's that mimic natural sites.

      SEO takes more thought and care now.
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