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Old 02-22-2013, 12:06 PM   #1
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Default Private networks seem to be a huge key to getting good rankings..

I just can't thank you guys enough for some of the advice I've got on here.

Especially the advice about starting my own private network, as a newbie to private networks, that was without a doubt the single most potent piece of information I've got on WF.

I was posting TONS of content to web2.0s, backlinking the web2.0s, and not really seeing any crazy results. Probably because google knows they're all being made by the same IP address, I'm not really sure.

So I began leveraging the fact that some of my friends/family have hosting accounts, and I offered them money to register my own domains in their accounts. I also offered to pay for hosting, but none of them wanted money since they already have plenty of room to share hosting.

This may sound risky, by my plan is to still pay them a portion of the hosting, so their hosting fees are reduced, by having my domains in their accounts.

Anyway, with the little bit of backlinking I have been doing using these domains, I have already seen a net /\ 450 page increase between 10 of my keywords over the past 2 weeks (yes I can prove this - just ask). There could be a lot more factors playing into this, but I still feel like this was the single best advice I got on WF in terms of SEO.

So now my goal is to just build these sites out with more pages, potentially register a couple more domains, and keep at the backlinking.

I guarantee my keywords will start shooting up to page 1 within a matter of a month or 2.

Again, I'm not sure how responsible these networks are for the massive increase in rankings that I've seen (I've also been doing youtube videos and various other things/as well as a potential spam filter that may have let up 3-4 weeks ago) but whatever I'm doing, seems to be working incredibly. 1 month ago my keywords were ranking TERRIBLY. Nowhere to be found in google. Now 10 of my keywords are between pages 2-5, and continue to show a steep upwards trend.

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Of course, they are quality links... if you managed to host your domains with your friends host.... good idea of sharing something.

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Yes sir,

Private networks are amazing for getting your website to rank. Quality backlinks are more important than ever right now! I noticed a lot of folks are giving up on SEO because low quality no longer works, this is time to strike while the iron is hot.

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So I began leveraging the fact that some of my friends/family have hosting accounts, and I offered them money to register my own domains in their accounts. I also offered to pay for hosting, but none of them wanted money since they already have plenty of room to share hosting.

This may sound risky, by my plan is to still pay them a portion of the hosting, so their hosting fees are reduced, by having my domains in their accounts.
Not sure why you do so much hassle... You can get quality PR3 domains for 10 bucks (if you search), no need to build links to them. You can get hosting for $2.99 / month...
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Not sure why you do so much hassle... You can get quality PR3 domains for 10 bucks (if you search), no need to build links to them. You can get hosting for $2.99 / month...
Sometimes there's more to domains than just "PR". I have a PR3 with a DA47 that would sell for way more than $10. I am getting $27/month blogroll income from it.

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Not sure why you do so much hassle... You can get quality PR3 domains for 10 bucks (if you search), no need to build links to them. You can get hosting for $2.99 / month...
Perhaps you have to explain the method, most people don't know how.

In short just Google Hayden SEO he explains it all at his blog.

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lol sounds more like a cellular plan

it's not a private network you've created but rather a

friends and family plan:

nice idea to ask them, all that varied hosting accounts and ip.
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Agree with nik0 - check out nohat, get scrapebox, get a vps and start scraping for high PR domains. I'm sure its been said before, but PR is no longer the king...there are other factors to look at like MozRank, Domain Authority, age, referring domains.

The great thing about the private networks (and the reason they will be around for a longtime) is that there is a barrier to entry so most people won't do it or will give up. Powerful domains can be hard to find or cost a lot, you have to learn how to set up a hosting account with unique IPs, setup the unique nameservers, learn how to efficiently manage the network, pay for hosting, set up the sites, the list goes on.

Point being - SEnuke can't setup a private blog for you. You have to take action. Start small....grow big.

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Private Networks are a great way to get some ranking. I own a private blog network myself, and I can say that a lot of people have benefited from it. You can check my signature for more info.

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Agree with nik0 - check out nohat, get scrapebox, get a vps and start scraping for high PR domains. I'm sure its been said before, but PR is no longer the king...there are other factors to look at like MozRank, Domain Authority, age, referring domains.
I'm doing a test btw, not a very properly setup test but well, the bad things:

- 24 domains found with Haydens method so dropped for a long long time, all hosted on the same hosting as I just set them up temporarily to see what PR they get before I really start to purpose them. Just curious how it works out as they are all on the same IP.

- each domain has 1 Ezinearticle only

Now the test:

- Added 1 anchor txt at the bottom of each article
- All links are pointed to Seo service group – Search Engine Optimisation through Offpage SEO – Your SEO services provider
- Anchor txt's used:

seo service
seo services
seo
search engine optimization
search engine optimisation
offpage seo

Right now all the kw's except "seo services" are ranking nowhere, the one that does rank shows up at #430 or something.

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nikO,

I'm nourishing a couple scrapped domains myself at the moment to see what PR returns to the domain. If you find domains and were able to check to see live links still pointing at the domains you scraped/found, then you should be good (or least take some of the risk out of the process) and will be able to capture the link juice. I think the problem is we are rolling dice in terms of ROI because even though I don't really believe in PR anymore - the market still thinks PR is very important and who really knows if you are going to end up with a PR2, PR3 or PR4 using nohats scrape method. I think Nohats method is good for folks who don't want to spend $100 on a good domain and have the time to look.

It may have been coincidence but I had a domain at seohosting.com sitting on a unique c-class, then moved it over to my bluehost account where I had 40 plus sites and I lost the PR. Then I moved it back to seohosting.com and the PR returned. Again this is tool bar PR talk which is not a meaningful measure. Point being - your experiment my give you a false negative reading if you have all of those hosted on the same IP.

The real test is to leave those for a month on 1 IP, then move them to 24 unique IPs and measure that improvement...that would be interesting to report on.

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I'm nourishing a couple scrapped domains myself at the moment to see what PR returns to the domain. If you find domains and were able to check to see live links still pointing at the domains you scraped/found, then you should be good (or least take some of the risk out of the process) and will be able to capture the link juice. I think the problem is we are rolling dice in terms of ROI because even though I don't really believe in PR anymore - the market still thinks PR is very important and who really knows if you are going to end up with a PR2, PR3 or PR4 using nohats scrape method. I think Nohats method is good for folks who don't want to spend $100 on a good domain and have the time to look.

It may have been coincidence but I had a domain at seohosting.com sitting on a unique c-class, then moved it over to my bluehost account where I had 40 plus sites and I lost the PR. Then I moved it back to seohosting.com and the PR returned. Again this is tool bar PR talk which is not a meaningful measure. Point being - your experiment my give you a false negative reading if you have all of those hosted on the same IP.

The real test is to leave those for a month on 1 IP, then move them to 24 unique IPs and measure that improvement...that would be interesting to report on.
Sometimes when you move a site Google can get confused and show PR n/a in the toolbar but it's just a matter of time before it returns, can take up to max 2 weeks is what I experienced.

I used Hayden's method before and purchased 95 domains, about half of them turned into PR2, a dozen or so PR3's a couple of PR4's and the rest was PR1 or PR0 so for $950,- it was a pretty good deal. I use most of these sites in my tier 2 network to boost public properties but as I always build links in combination with links at my tier 1 private network site it's very hard to test the effectiveness, thus I bought a new batch with stricter filters and decided to throw up a quick test while waiting for the PR to regain.
Sure on 24 IP's would be a better test, but it's just something that crossed my mind yesterday and when I have something on my mind I want to execute it immediately.

Additionally to the IP thing, I'm very curious what will happen to my rankings. I do expect quite a boost of course as 24 PR2 - PR3 domains is quite a bunch cause the OBL is only 1 so if the boost is real tiny then that's definitely proof that having them on 1 IP is very bad.

You know most people avoid having all the domains on 1 IP cause they are afraid to leave a footprint that might cause all their sites to be deindexed in 1 day or their money site to be penalized, now this is shared hosting but still. If that happens to me now it's not a huge problem as it's only $240,-. If my site gets penalized it's also no issue cause it isn't ranking for anything anyway. I might move them to 24 different IP's in 2 months from now to see if the rankings change but I don't think so tbh.

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Now the test:

- Added 1 anchor txt at the bottom of each article
- All links are pointed to Seo service group – Search Engine Optimisation through Offpage SEO – Your SEO services provider
- Anchor txt's used:

seo service
seo services
seo
search engine optimization
search engine optimisation
offpage seo

Right now all the kw's except "seo services" are ranking nowhere, the one that does rank shows up at #430 or something.
I am sure I read a post earlier by you about using SAPE to rank for those kws?
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I am sure I read a post earlier by you about using SAPE to rank for those kws?
Yeah I use some money exchange service to get money on WebMoney but that's taking forever and I don't have a creditcard to fund my account so SAPE is in the waiting row for now.

That's the shitty thing when you're in Holland, Paypal doesn't issue those debit cards and credit cards are not issued easily in my country when you don't have a normal fixed contract job.

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Yeah I use some money exchange service to get money on WebMoney but that's taking forever and I don't have a creditcard to fund my account so SAPE is in the waiting row for now.

That's the shitty thing when you're in Holland, Paypal doesn't issue those debit cards and credit cards are not issued easily in my country when you don't have a normal fixed contract job.
Okay, I see! I was interested to see the results from your test!

You should look at something like Payoneer which may help (they issue a card that also allows you to make ATM withdrawals at any mastercared approved atm machine).

Not sure whether you will be able to fund WebMoney with it.

There is a thread here about it: Is Payoneer Good?

Their reps have left email addresses in that thread so you can ask them questions about the card!
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Okay, I see! I was interested to see the results from your test!

You should look at something like Payoneer which may help (they issue a card that also allows you to make ATM withdrawals at any mastercared approved atm machine).

Not sure whether you will be able to fund WebMoney with it.

There is a thread here about it: Is Payoneer Good?

Their reps have left email addresses in that thread so you can ask them questions about the card!
Yeah I have such card from Moneybookers as well but when there is no money coming in through those platforms then the issue remains the same. I did sign up on Payoneer but the card arrived at my address 1 week after I left to travel lol. I thought it would come in handy when starting as an Amazon affiliate as they can pay there directly.

Either way now I am just waiting for my Visa card from my LLC in the US, lawyer still has to send me the papers after I supply him an address here in Thailand but I'm a little bit lazy / non-caring sometimes

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Either way now I am just waiting for my Visa card from my LLC in the US, lawyer still has to send me the papers after I supply him an address here in Thailand but I'm a little bit lazy / non-caring sometimes
Well, problems solved once you get your ass into gear! Good luck!
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Not sure why you do so much hassle... You can get quality PR3 domains for 10 bucks (if you search), no need to build links to them. You can get hosting for $2.99 / month...
I've search here and abroad and I still can't find anything with pr for less than $80. Mind sharing a link? I'm trying to build my own network as well with 5 domains only 1 of which has a pr-1 rest are new
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