Do you think SEO is easier with MSN?

suraja · 04-26-2009, 12:38 AM

On one of my sites, MSN gives me a top 5 keyword placement, while on Google, I wasn't even on the first page. And MSN indexed the whole site, while Google had only indexed the main page. I've noticed this for other websites as well. So do you think SEO is easier with MSN?

Mark Brian · 04-26-2009, 01:14 AM

Pretty much yes. When I try to rank with Google, I would also almost always rank well in MSN and Yahoo. It's like a bonus package. You just work out with Google, you get MSN and Yahoo rankings free. But it's probably just because they have similar ways of ranking pages.

Red_Virus · 04-26-2009, 02:27 AM

kind of strange for me. I find my sites initially to rank well with MSN and when I try to optimize for Google then my sites disappear from MSN !

Mr_Cheese · 04-26-2009, 04:48 AM

I think so, yeah.

Google would put a lot more work into their ranking system IMO, and I read msn takes a lot longer to index etc.

But it's good to rank high on a few of them, everyone seems to just aim for google.

Mickm · 04-26-2009, 07:43 AM

MSN are always playing catch up to Google and have a lot less spam filters.. so I've found that first you'll get decent ranks in MSN for a certain keyword before Google gives you a score for the same keyword.. I see it like a preview of how Google will eventually index a site.

DanielFonda · 04-26-2009, 08:09 AM

Google is much harder. After all it IS the #1 search engine out there.
None the less I usually try to focus on google. That is the Search engine that usually generates the most traffic.

delirious · 04-26-2009, 08:20 AM

Ranking with google is definitely tougher as it is the no1 search engine.. its the first SE which users log on to.. the rest comes much later.. hence route to google rankings has to be difficult..

anuj291 · 04-26-2009, 08:49 AM

yes MSN has a different algo as to google.. and they giv eimportance to all kinds of links... crapy ones also

FredJones · 04-26-2009, 09:29 AM

What factors are the basis of MSN rankings? How does a Google SEO differ from MSN SEO?

I understand that Google looks at backlinks, anchor text of backlinks, relevance of the site providing the backlink, importance (page rank etc) of the site providing the backlink, content of the site to be ranked with erspect to the keyword, content freshness, and a few more factors.

What are those for MSN?

It can not be pagerank I suppose, since Google (as I know, correct me if I am wrong) holds the pagerank patent still. Is it content? What is it that matters?

morwanneg · 04-26-2009, 09:33 AM

I think if your site ranks well in Google, it will also rank well in Yahoo! and MSN. I don't really spend time optimizing my site for Yahoo! and MSN. Just my 2cents.

Mickm · 04-26-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredJones

What factors are the basis of MSN rankings? How does a Google SEO differ from MSN SEO?

Google runs all new sites through a LOT more spam filters than MSN. There's hundreds of factors, but that's a biggie.

Zeus66 · 04-26-2009, 12:05 PM

On-page factors seem to matter more to MSN than Google. It's also much easier to rank on Page 1 at MSN for low-competition keywords than anywhere else - if the content is on a new site. What I mean is, you can get an article at a well known article directory ranked in the top 10 at Google quickly because the site hosting your article is viewed as an authority by Google. Put that same article on your own brand new site and it won't rank for quite a while. With MSN, however, you can get that page on your new site to rank high. As long as the phrase you're targeting has low competition, all it usually takes is decent on-page SEO and a few good backlinks. I have a site right now sitting at #5 on MSN for a moderately popular search phrase that has low competition. The domain and site are less than 6 weeks old. I probably won't see it ranking in the top 10 on Google for months, unfortunately.

John

gabibeowulf · 04-26-2009, 12:23 PM

The best results I get with yahoo ... too bad the traffic doesn't even compare to google's *sigh*

dave147 · 04-27-2009, 03:10 AM

I think google have a higher standard of site relevancy than yahoo or msn

vistaland · 04-27-2009, 10:44 AM

MSN is far easier than Google...however they work on 2 different algorithms...what puts you on top of google will not necessarily put you on top of MSN. There is a program called the Ultimate Seach Engine Stragedy. Do a search for it and it'll give you all your answers to get you to the top of MSN.

PalatnkFactor · 04-27-2009, 12:06 PM

No. I think Google is way easier because it just seems to index websites WAY faster AND pretty much most of the SEO info you'll find online, is from people optimizing for Goog.

Ron Killian · 04-27-2009, 02:03 PM

I just do good SEO, never try to do it for one specific search engine. I will say, as others haven mentioned, Google sends alot more traffic, with similar ranks than the rest, quite a difference, least for my keywords.

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suraja Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? On one of my sites, MSN gives me a top 5 keyword placement, while on Google, I wasn't even on the first page. And MSN indexed the whole site, while Google had only indexed the main page. I've noticed this for other websites as well. So do you think SEO is easier with MSN?
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Mark Brian Spartan Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: PH Posts: 906 Thanks: 124 Thanked 145 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? Pretty much yes. When I try to rank with Google, I would also almost always rank well in MSN and Yahoo. It's like a bonus package. You just work out with Google, you get MSN and Yahoo rankings free. But it's probably just because they have similar ways of ranking pages.

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Red_Virus Social Bookmarking Ninja War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 97 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? kind of strange for me. I find my sites initially to rank well with MSN and when I try to optimize for Google then my sites disappear from MSN !

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Mr_Cheese Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? I think so, yeah. Google would put a lot more work into their ranking system IMO, and I read msn takes a lot longer to index etc. But it's good to rank high on a few of them, everyone seems to just aim for google.

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Mickm SEO Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 262 Thanks: 14 Thanked 52 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? MSN are always playing catch up to Google and have a lot less spam filters.. so I've found that first you'll get decent ranks in MSN for a certain keyword before Google gives you a score for the same keyword.. I see it like a preview of how Google will eventually index a site.
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DanielFonda HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 133 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? Google is much harder. After all it IS the #1 search engine out there. None the less I usually try to focus on google. That is the Search engine that usually generates the most traffic.

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delirious Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? Ranking with google is definitely tougher as it is the no1 search engine.. its the first SE which users log on to.. the rest comes much later.. hence route to google rankings has to be difficult..

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anuj291 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Writers heaven Posts: 292 Thanks: 2 Thanked 31 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? yes MSN has a different algo as to google.. and they giv eimportance to all kinds of links... crapy ones also

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FredJones GegeTech Consultants War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,530 Thanks: 235 Thanked 502 Times in 259 Posts Contact Info	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? What factors are the basis of MSN rankings? How does a Google SEO differ from MSN SEO? I understand that Google looks at backlinks, anchor text of backlinks, relevance of the site providing the backlink, importance (page rank etc) of the site providing the backlink, content of the site to be ranked with erspect to the keyword, content freshness, and a few more factors. What are those for MSN? It can not be pagerank I suppose, since Google (as I know, correct me if I am wrong) holds the pagerank patent still. Is it content? What is it that matters?

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morwanneg Lost Monk Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 149 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? I think if your site ranks well in Google, it will also rank well in Yahoo! and MSN. I don't really spend time optimizing my site for Yahoo! and MSN. Just my 2cents.
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Zeus66 John Schwartz War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Near Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 3,734 Thanks: 1,660 Thanked 3,336 Times in 1,179 Posts Social Networking	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? On-page factors seem to matter more to MSN than Google. It's also much easier to rank on Page 1 at MSN for low-competition keywords than anywhere else - if the content is on a new site. What I mean is, you can get an article at a well known article directory ranked in the top 10 at Google quickly because the site hosting your article is viewed as an authority by Google. Put that same article on your own brand new site and it won't rank for quite a while. With MSN, however, you can get that page on your new site to rank high. As long as the phrase you're targeting has low competition, all it usually takes is decent on-page SEO and a few good backlinks. I have a site right now sitting at #5 on MSN for a moderately popular search phrase that has low competition. The domain and site are less than 6 weeks old. I probably won't see it ranking in the top 10 on Google for months, unfortunately. John

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gabibeowulf Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 683 Thanks: 157 Thanked 138 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? The best results I get with yahoo ... too bad the traffic doesn't even compare to google's sigh
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dave147 Platinum Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: AU Posts: 2,823 Thanks: 506 Thanked 335 Times in 271 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? I think google have a higher standard of site relevancy than yahoo or msn
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vistaland Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? MSN is far easier than Google...however they work on 2 different algorithms...what puts you on top of google will not necessarily put you on top of MSN. There is a program called the Ultimate Seach Engine Stragedy. Do a search for it and it'll give you all your answers to get you to the top of MSN.

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PalatnkFactor Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Do you think SEO is easier with MSN? No. I think Google is way easier because it just seems to index websites WAY faster AND pretty much most of the SEO info you'll find online, is from people optimizing for Goog.
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