Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity?

pede · 05-17-2009, 04:40 PM

This is well beyond me and I have never seen it before.

I have a domain that is a PR0. Just a Goo search page basically.

About a year ago I signed up for an affiliate program for free trade mags and free magazines. I put the three files needed in a sub directory.

I have only three files in the subject directory on MY server. The index file loads an encrypted javascript and I guess pulls the product listings from their server.

Here is the damn kicker. My root, sonicinfo.org is PR0, Now.... the sub directory is a PR5.

How in the world is this happening? I have went to about 10 different sites that check PR and they ALL report the sub directory as PR5.

Anyone have an answer for this?

Thanks,
John

Here is the sub directory:
sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/

Ron Killian · 05-17-2009, 04:57 PM

Though it's odd, it does happen. I've had a number of sites where sub pages have higher PR than the root. It usually comes down to links to the page, say links from high PR sites. Though the difference seems odd, usually it's only a PR or two difference, but I guess if you get enough high PR back links, could be anything.

You must have gotten some good links to the pages, or people linked on their own.

pede · 05-17-2009, 05:42 PM

Yeah... but... 5 points?

I keep thinking that it is fake or something.

But everywhere I check says it's a 5.

J

Ron Killian · 05-17-2009, 06:29 PM

Yep, I was thinking the same thing, like I said, I've only seen at most 2 difference.

Have you checked back links?

pede · 05-17-2009, 06:39 PM

The only backlinks are from DP and Here.

Aside from domains on my own IP addresses.

Just damn strange if you ask me.

It is PR5... maybe I should sell it. hehe...

J

Ron Killian · 05-17-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pede

The only backlinks are from DP and Here.

Aside from domains on my own IP addresses.

Just damn strange if you ask me.

It is PR5... maybe I should sell it. hehe...

J

LOL ya really, plenty of people out there that think PR is the ticket.

pede · 05-18-2009, 07:16 AM

Does anyone have an answer for this? Bound to be someone that is an expert in these matters...

Thanks,
J

AndrewCavanagh · 05-18-2009, 08:23 AM

What is the URL so we can check ourselves.

There is a problem with many firefox browsers that shows false page rank.

Also have you checked the traffic?

If there's an enormous amount of traffic coming to that page then the page rank is probably genuine but if you're only getting 10 hits a day or something pathetic you can be pretty sure the page rank is false, misranked or some other error which won't last.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

pede · 05-18-2009, 08:38 AM

Hi Andrew..

Good to speak to you again. Hope you are doing well.

I could believe misranked but I am with you. Just don't seem very likely that's it valid.

I have checked backlinks and there are quite a few in here and DP. Then tons from my own IP's. That's it.

Not much traffic either.

Here's the url:
http://sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/

Thanks for your input Andrew,
John

bhopkins · 05-18-2009, 09:02 AM

Well you have a crap load of backlinks from careercast.com which has a root PR of 6 so 5 on this page. Makes sense. If you link from this page to your root page at sonicinfo.org, then you should get a 4 on the next update on your root.

Just to clarify, PR does not mean traffic. It never has and it never will. too many people put too much trust in PR. It really means very little for ranking purposes.

Mickm · 05-18-2009, 09:04 AM

One answer could be that at least 2 sites of PR 6+ are linking to it, which will bump up your PR by a fair bit.

pede · 05-18-2009, 09:34 AM

That's great information. Thank you guys.

J

KirkMcD · 05-18-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhopkins

Well you have a crap load of backlinks from careercast.com which has a root PR of 6 so 5 on this page.

He doesn't actually. If you check the pages, there are NO links back to his site.

It's actually a fake Pagerank. Google thinks the page hxxp://sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/ is actually the page hxxp://carreercast.tradepub.com/

Use the Google info command to see this: info:sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/

dburk · 05-18-2009, 01:46 PM

Good call Kirk, PR is easily faked, that's just one of several reasons that PR should be ignored most of the time.

The first rule of SEO is that search engines rank pages, not sites. Each page has it's own PR and it's very common to see internal pages rank higher than the root or home page.

Usually, you won't see this kind of PR pass through with JavaScript code, are you sure it not an iframe snippet?

05-17-2009, 04:40 PM	#1
pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? This is well beyond me and I have never seen it before. I have a domain that is a PR0. Just a Goo search page basically. About a year ago I signed up for an affiliate program for free trade mags and free magazines. I put the three files needed in a sub directory. I have only three files in the subject directory on MY server. The index file loads an encrypted javascript and I guess pulls the product listings from their server. Here is the damn kicker. My root, sonicinfo.org is PR0, Now.... the sub directory is a PR5. How in the world is this happening? I have went to about 10 different sites that check PR and they ALL report the sub directory as PR5. Anyone have an answer for this? Thanks, John Here is the sub directory: sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/
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Ron Killian Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan, USA. Posts: 1,548 Blog Entries: 17 Thanks: 86 Thanked 130 Times in 104 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Though it's odd, it does happen. I've had a number of sites where sub pages have higher PR than the root. It usually comes down to links to the page, say links from high PR sites. Though the difference seems odd, usually it's only a PR or two difference, but I guess if you get enough high PR back links, could be anything. You must have gotten some good links to the pages, or people linked on their own.
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pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Yeah... but... 5 points? I keep thinking that it is fake or something. But everywhere I check says it's a 5. J
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Ron Killian Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan, USA. Posts: 1,548 Blog Entries: 17 Thanks: 86 Thanked 130 Times in 104 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Yep, I was thinking the same thing, like I said, I've only seen at most 2 difference. Have you checked back links?
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05-17-2009, 06:39 PM	#5
pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? The only backlinks are from DP and Here. Aside from domains on my own IP addresses. Just damn strange if you ask me. It is PR5... maybe I should sell it. hehe... J
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05-18-2009, 07:16 AM	#7
pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Does anyone have an answer for this? Bound to be someone that is an expert in these matters... Thanks, J
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AndrewCavanagh Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cairns, Australia. Posts: 3,323 Thanks: 3 Thanked 814 Times in 445 Posts	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? What is the URL so we can check ourselves. There is a problem with many firefox browsers that shows false page rank. Also have you checked the traffic? If there's an enormous amount of traffic coming to that page then the page rank is probably genuine but if you're only getting 10 hits a day or something pathetic you can be pretty sure the page rank is false, misranked or some other error which won't last. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh
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pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Hi Andrew.. Good to speak to you again. Hope you are doing well. I could believe misranked but I am with you. Just don't seem very likely that's it valid. I have checked backlinks and there are quite a few in here and DP. Then tons from my own IP's. That's it. Not much traffic either. Here's the url: http://sonicinfo.org/freetradepubs/ Thanks for your input Andrew, John
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bhopkins Bruce Hopkins War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA. Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 11 Thanked 73 Times in 30 Posts Social Networking	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Well you have a crap load of backlinks from careercast.com which has a root PR of 6 so 5 on this page. Makes sense. If you link from this page to your root page at sonicinfo.org, then you should get a 4 on the next update on your root. Just to clarify, PR does not mean traffic. It never has and it never will. too many people put too much trust in PR. It really means very little for ranking purposes.
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Mickm SEO Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 262 Thanks: 14 Thanked 52 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? One answer could be that at least 2 sites of PR 6+ are linking to it, which will bump up your PR by a fair bit.
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05-18-2009, 09:34 AM	#12
pede Ancient Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 433 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? That's great information. Thank you guys. J
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dburk Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 4,647 Thanks: 163 Thanked 673 Times in 583 Posts Contact Info	Re: Can anyone explain this crazy bizarre Page Rank oddity? Good call Kirk, PR is easily faked, that's just one of several reasons that PR should be ignored most of the time. The first rule of SEO is that search engines rank pages, not sites. Each page has it's own PR and it's very common to see internal pages rank higher than the root or home page. Usually, you won't see this kind of PR pass through with JavaScript code, are you sure it not an iframe snippet?
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