The New SEO rules...

[livingwell]

nobody has agreed with you because youre wrong and youre giving out very bad advice. you know perfectly well the damage that youre cause to newbies sites.

i would encourage others to watch very closely the information youre "sharing" on this forum because youre not helping people youre only trying to hurt people.

you are officially on my list of 'people not to deal with'.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by livingwell

nobody has agreed with you because youre wrong and youre giving out very bad advice. you know perfectly well the damage that youre cause to newbies sites.

i would encourage others to watch very closely the information youre "sharing" on this forum because youre not helping people youre only trying to hurt people.

you are officially on my list of 'people not to deal with'.

Lol, entitled to your own opinion.

Maybe you've just ended this discussion and forced me to hide my testing from now on.

Everyone loves testing.. do you test.. or follow the crowd?

[livingwell]

ive done the forum a favor!

yes please keep your "testing" to yourself, that way you only damage yourself and not people looking for ACCURATE information.

i dont need to test i have the results i want (in fact better results than i could have ever wished for) because i followed the advice of people here who oppose your suggestions.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by livingwell

ive done the forum a favor!

yes please keep your "testing" to yourself, that way you only damage yourself and not people looking for ACCURATE information.

i dont need to test i have the results i want (in fact better results than i could have ever wished for) because i followed the advice of people here who oppose your suggestions.

You didn't answer my question - Do you test anything other than what the crowd tell you to do?

[livingwell]

i dont test. i dont need to.

i get results because "the crowd" does the testing, then they share the results with everyone else.

can you prove your tests? i think not.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by livingwell

i dont test. i dont need to.

i get results because "the crowd" does the testing, then they share the results with everyone else.

can you prove your tests? i think not.

I can and I will, no point me telling you though because it would only be bad advice, and you probably wouldn't even read it all anyway

[livingwell]

go on then post your tests now, show us. people have asked enough times. we're waiting...

or are we in store for a photoshop extravaganza?

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by livingwell

go on then post your tests now, show us. people have asked enough times. we're waiting...

or are we in store for a photoshop extravaganza?

I see I am wasting my time with someone who likes the words "I already Know That".. Have fun.

[livingwell]

aww.. and i thought you were going to show off your amazing tests. im shocked that you would refuse to show them at this late stage in the game... awww.

its almost like they really existed.. aww.



youre very much out of your depth here kid, prolly best to just stay in your room playing WoW where its alright to make massive mistakes and nobodys web business will suffer from your immature and unresearched advice.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

There is only one rule that matters... the Golden Rule.

"The person with the Gold Rules".

Google has 21 Billion a year in Revenue. So they get to make the rules. You can do whatever you want. I choose to do what works.

Good luck with your approach.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by internetmarketingiq

There is only one rule that matters... the Golden Rule.

"The person with the Gold Rules".

Google has 21 Billion a year in Revenue. So they get to make the rules. You can do whatever you want. I choose to do what works.

Good luck with your approach.

Do you care to share anything that I might need to know, I think I do pretty OK, but I'm always open to more information that can help me.

[damdaman]

Intrepreneur. You're a slimeball idiot.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Wow, interesting thread....

The only time a social bookmarking link has affected the url it was linking to was because of the fact that the Zimbio, Digg, or whatever other social bookmarking site/link "overshadowed" my post and out-ranked it and "buried" it for a week , sometimes longer.

But then the social bookmarking link goes away and my content rises to the surface to gain it's rightful place (above the SB links).

PageRank, some people say... is determined by a number of factors, most important of which is the quality of links pointing to you...

Most of my sites are PR2-3 and while I'd like to brag about having a higher PR, I don't care about that as long as the important thing, My SERPs for specific "money" posts and urls remians on page 1.

I spend my time worrying about getting at least 3 spots on page 1 for my terms (easy for me due to the sites I have and the term s I choose)....

With regards to getting traffic in volume, that only matters to me for my Adsense sites so impressions stay high enough to make bank there....

"Intrepreneur" do you have a name?

I respect the fact you are learning on your own and testing things out, but the proof you showed doesn't really tell me anything. You should know by now that solid SEO usually results in good results and getting ALL types of links is the variety that adds spice to life/linkbuilding

Regarding the OP who said OffPage is way more important, that's simply not 100% true as no site does well as an island as all the LSI gurus will tell you.

LSI, Silo sites, building your sites like HubPages and Wikipedia, avoiding theme and PageRank bleeding...yeah...focusing on all that stuff will get you crazy-hot rankings and traffic but getting hundreds and thousands of links of all types is also important.

The better your on-page SEO the less links you need to gain your proper ranking, but links are still needed, whether by dir. submissions (which I've never done) by hoping that people link to you out of the goodness of their own heart, or by generating the links yourself by article syndication or using linkbuilding services.

[Star Riley]

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Let me say to the poster above I've been doing SEO for a year.. I don't just follow the crowd, I dream up and test my own methods.

I've found a lot of the information out there to be shoddy, very shoddy to say the least.

Honestly I wouldn't make this post if i wasn't seeing this happening, when testing methods.

There are MANY different factors that determine ranking and what works today may not work tomorrow.. I'm finding there are changes as paying attention to what I do, enables me to see without perhaps even having to strain my brain too hard, that something works better than the other.

Anyhow I'll continue with my methods, and do a few more tests to see what I can conjur up.

congratulations on quitting smoking, and while I do agree 1000% testing and more testing is not only good it's great!

The fact is you should know that time is an important factor in any test...

Maybe if you phrased your question as a question and not a statement of absolute Fact that applies to all, then others may not be so offended by your "absoluteness" possible English is not your first language if i am right i understand.

As an SEO person daily I am testing things privately for a lot longer than you and I am not absolutely sure of any blanket statements outside of the basics. Link building is one of the basics now in support of a portion of what you are saying on many of my Blogs that are getting traffic I do a ton of insight linking and the benefits continue to increase do I plan to not build inbound links of course not I am also building inbound links.

For a new sight it is true as of today that too many over night linking has not been as good for me as slow progressive keyword anchor text link building over time.

Remembering one mans truth is another mans lie I look at you as a kitten trying to tell a bunch of lions that roaring is outdated, wish you luck and if your making money with your 2 month old revelation then keep doing you.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

This is simply disgusting. Shame on you.

Man, look.. I did correct myself and gave an example of 6 pages I took aside to test, showed exactly where they had been bookmaked and gave reference to how they differentiated between the pages I didn't bookmark.

I then continued to explain that I will take on more testing on my sites to see if it is proving to be a problem overall.

If everyone isn't understanding of exactly what I'm doing, this isn't my fault.. I did at least backup with what evidence I already have.

Hopefully soon I can come back with some more results on this, and then the evidence will be more substantial.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

Hmmm.. I've seen you promise to show results only to refuse. You seem like a typical internet scammer to me.

Go back a page on this one and read my posts.. I did already provide results of a small test.

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

Hahahaha.

No. They are not real results. Sorry. You fail.

Of course not, I made them up

[Kay King]

If a thread such as this one presents as "fact" results that some of us disagree with- we can argue the points without resorting to childish taunts and personal insults. There is nothing scammy here - and no one has to "prove" anything if they choose not to.

Some of the remarks above are over the line and don't reflect well on those who joined the WF today.


kay

[Daniel McGonagle]

Kay, I agree.

He came on strong, was willing to backup what he said, and did...sort of, but the responses were over-the-top negative.

This is like a car crash, hard to look away....

Everyone back to business now, or at least for me, hope this thing settles down, people are starting to look unprofessional here....

Have a nice day/night/weekend everyone, and be brave enough to test things out for yourself like he did, but be prepared to backup blanket statements if you want to share...

Peace Out..

Originally Posted by Kay King

If a thread such as this one presents as "fact" results that some of us disagree with- we can argue the points without resorting to childish taunts and personal insults. There is nothing scammy here - and no one has to "prove" anything if they choose not to.

Some of the remarks above are over the line and don't reflect well on those who joined the WF today.


kay

[4morereferrals]

I saw this thread, not as a scam or "damaging" info - but of a guy who just quit smoking challenging the norm, and ... trying to stir up some controversy.

But then there was no Sig Link

I kinda lost the will/desire to spend too much effort after what I thought was a seo topic on SERP switched to PR.

Been fun ... except for the uncivil parts.

I disagree with aspects of your theory Intrepreneur, but I give you kudos for keeping your cool, and remaining civil under duress. Perhaps there's a lesson in htere for all of us :-)

Best to all,

Steve

[kkchoon]

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Don't want to offense anyone here, but based on my experience, BOOKMARK does work.

The **key**, and I say it again, the key to make it success:

1. Mix links - You need to mix all kinds of links, directories, bookmarks, web 2.0, blogs, comments, forums... and if you use any one type of linking, you might not see the power of each link, however, combining them shows me great result.

2. High PR links - Don't worry about a lot of links show up at the same time, as long as those links are from high PR sites.

3. Avoid low PR links - At start, at least the first 2 months, try to avoid low PR links, or your site might end up in the filter.

That's the 3 rules I experienced, hope this helps clarify some arguments...

[TheAge]

Guys, come on, calm down with the personal insults, really. I disagreed with the OP, as has most others, and most of us have given our reasoning without hesitation.

To those calling for Intrepreneur (love the name by the way) to be banned, and calling him a slimeball... grow up, this is an open forum. It's discussions like this that gave us what we know in the first place.

Intrepreneur, you're doing your own thing, and that's great. Do whatever works for you. I think you should've done a little more testing, and made sure all variables were under control, though I support the fact that you put up some information and findings you thought could help others. Good job.

- Adrian

[Steve Crooks]

Anybody could throw up a load of words into a post like you did, where are the URL's to back this case study up? Without them this is a pointless argument, you may even be right in your findings but give us the links so that we can see for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Man, look.. I did correct myself and gave an example of 6 pages I took aside to test, showed exactly where they had been bookmaked and gave reference to how they differentiated between the pages I didn't bookmark.

I then continued to explain that I will take on more testing on my sites to see if it is proving to be a problem overall.

If everyone isn't understanding of exactly what I'm doing, this isn't my fault.. I did at least backup with what evidence I already have.

Hopefully soon I can come back with some more results on this, and then the evidence will be more substantial.

[Jenie0109]

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Of course not, I made them up

so that sums it up y'all

[Fernando Veloso]

This thread went too far. I don't recognize WF in here. Now we allow personal attacks?

Intrepeneur, just follow what you think its correct and show us some data in a few weeks.

*Hint* IF you do find something relevant, open a new WSO.

[Intrepreneur]

Cheers everyone, glad someone came in and gave the word of disagreement to the livingwell guy.

I owuld just like to add, before I do leave this thread that i had a PM from someone who thought a little more deeper than I had on this whole idea.

He said that what I am doing is more than good, I am sacrificing rankings to test SEO for the future, and that one day you might be following me.

[kkchoon]

more test...

Although I disagree with you Interpreneur..

Everyone has the right to speak, just need solid proves. Many warriors has experienced differently, including me, the social bookmarking still works.

Bookmarking might not work in the future, when "all" sites are nofollow... but untill today, many sites still has dofollow link.

[mistyone]

Intrepeneur, I think you are a super young man As a few others have said, you have kept your cool and remained focused on what your thread subject was about. I admire you for that. In a young person that is rare. Those of you who have tried to bash him, look at his post level and his thanked in posts, he is a contributing member of this forum

Keep testing and as you will have seen, people are willing to listen if you provide positive proof, so get back to us when you have more test results back

Cheers
Viv

[Intrepreneur]

Originally Posted by mistyone

Intrepeneur, I think you are a super young man As a few others have said, you have kept your cool and remained focused on what your thread subject was about. I admire you for that. In a young person that is rare. Those of you who have tried to bash him, look at his post level and his thanked in posts, he is a contributing member of this forum
Cheers
Viv

Thank you for noticing me for who I am, I'm not a bad guy, I'm only on here to give and to take advice.

To Your Success..

Mark