The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by axleman

That's another problem I have on my new sites... getting them indexed fast in Google. I see all these people claiming to get indexed in less than 24 hours, but it always seems to take mine a week or so at least before Google indexes them. I do sitemaps, webmaster tools, analytics, digg, etc, but it doesn't seem to matter.

I feel your pain, the same always happens to me.

[webmarketer]

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Query Deserves Freshness ... a term better explained by others - but a factor in googles algo [ as I understand it ] that essentially states that google wants to bring forward the freshest most relevant content to its readers.

I suspect this is getting a freshness boost ...

Hello. Do you mean that a page should have an RSS feed
to get the QDF advantage?

I hope I did not misunderstand its meaning.


webmarketer

[richnash33]

Originally Posted by Saidar

I feel your pain, the same always happens to me.

Same here..it gets frustrating when you know you are doing everything right

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by naijapower

Got the same as well too.
Though found it cringy that i ended up on a grave site courtesy of Angela...
all in the name of my desire to get back links.....................

LOL, well, that website is very famous and has lists of the most famous people and where they are buried. Many family historians use it all the time; it's no more creepy than the Social Security Death Index, which my mom uses all the time to find family members.

Here is what I tell people about that "reporting" thing:

I do know about that site...this is simply a scare tactic. Backlinks have been the lifeblood of Search Engine positioning for quite a few years now, and just about EVERY site has put a link to their site on another site. There's nothing "unethical" or illegal about it. What law are you breaking? What ethical standard are you not meeting? It wasn't like you were trying to disguise the link on that website or anything. What would you be "reported" for?

This is just a scare tactic designed to get people to stop putting links on their site; if "reporting" could get websites 'screwed' then you'd have competitors 'reporting' each other all over the internet and you can imagine the mayhem THAT would cause.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by axleman

Well, I agree that ultimately it's only the end result that matters. It was mostly out of curiousity that I even checked myself. BUt at the same time, I don't want to spend hours setting up my money links to have only a few be useful. I was just wondering if anyone had tried something similar to what I proposed above and what the results were.

Not sure what you mean here, as I and many other people have used the SAME lists of links very, very successfully. Why would you "spend hours setting up my money links to have only a few be useful" if those same links helped us rank at the top, even with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of competitors?

If you see movement UP the index, then the links are working and have been seen and recognized by Google.

[axleman]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Not sure what you mean here, as I and many other people have used the SAME lists of links very, very successfully. Why would you "spend hours setting up my money links to have only a few be useful" if those same links helped us rank at the top, even with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of competitors?

If you see movement UP the index, then the links are working and have been seen and recognized by Google.

I think you misunderstood me. I am quite happy with the results I have gotten for my established ecommerce site so far. I am very satisfied with your package and will be a longtime subscriber for sure.

Let's try again (with the understanding that I have only been at this backlinking thing for a couple of weeks now). I make 30 profiles from a package. (Let's assume that all of the sites remain valid.) We rely on Google to find these profiles naturally, so it's conceivable that many of them may not be found by Google for some time and some possibly never (like some forum profiles if you don't post).

In my case I have about 5-6 profiles out of 30(ish) that Google knows about (I think). Now I've had awesome results from those 5-6, but how much better would it be if Google knew about all 30?

So let's say I do something like this:

Profile on Site A
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site B profile]
[Link to Site C profile]

Profile on Site B
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site A profile]
[Link to Site C profile]

Profile on Site C
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site A profile]
[Link to Site B profile]

Etc, etc the goal being to help Google find the other profile pages faster once it finds the first.

Just wondering if there is any value in such a strategy.

[4morereferrals]

There are several tactics to get links indexed quicker than just relying on whether google eventually gets there.

bookmarks/rss feeds on the page where the links are left / pinging the url of the page where you leave the link, submitting to Yahoo.

Of course with the help of Fran the man ... I have automated this with iMacros ... the sites I pretty much use exclusively now have rss feeds.

I like to use the automation to ping the site page urls, tag the profile page urls and rss feeds, add it to Feedage.com, technorati, deliscious, yahoo - badda bing badda BOOM.

Pretty much how I got that backlink where I used a sites blog post feature to #4 in google in like 5 hrs... not only was the backlink in hte index - the page it was on ranked - page 1 #4 in 5 hrs :-) I had 3 others just linke it in the index about the same time further back in the serps.

So yes ... you CAN influence nad help your links along

Originally Posted by axleman

That's another problem I have on my new sites... getting them indexed fast in Google. I see all these people claiming to get indexed in less than 24 hours, but it always seems to take mine a week or so at least before Google indexes them. I do sitemaps, webmaster tools, analytics, digg, etc, but it doesn't seem to matter.

[4morereferrals]

Not sure I follow and why RSS is part of the question....? Sorry ... I dont think RSS is a factor in that - but I could be wrong.

I think the QDF lesson is ... that it ranked right away on page 1 #4 position in 5 hrs - and is NO LONGER there. It was FRESH content. Google favored it over other content - temporarily and has now put it in its rightful place in the index.

The interesting thing about that was merely that the site and page and content used as a backlink to a main blog page actually ranked on page one in hrs. other than it being a potenial example of QDF in practice - it has no other significance but some temprary bragging rights :-)

Originally Posted by webmarketer

Hello. Do you mean that a page should have an RSS feed
to get the QDF advantage?

I hope I did not misunderstand its meaning.


webmarketer

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by axleman

I think you misunderstood me. I am quite happy with the results I have gotten for my established ecommerce site so far. I am very satisfied with your package and will be a longtime subscriber for sure.

Let's try again (with the understanding that I have only been at this backlinking thing for a couple of weeks now). I make 30 profiles from a package. (Let's assume that all of the sites remain valid.) We rely on Google to find these profiles naturally, so it's conceivable that many of them may not be found by Google for some time and some possibly never (like some forum profiles if you don't post).

In my case I have about 5-6 profiles out of 30(ish) that Google knows about (I think). Now I've had awesome results from those 5-6, but how much better would it be if Google knew about all 30?

So let's say I do something like this:

Profile on Site A
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site B profile]
[Link to Site C profile]

Profile on Site B
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site A profile]
[Link to Site C profile]

Profile on Site C
[Link to money site]
[Link to Site A profile]
[Link to Site B profile]

Etc, etc the goal being to help Google find the other profile pages faster once it finds the first.

Just wondering if there is any value in such a strategy.

Well, I know people worry about Google finding the profiles, so as I was thinking about this I thought of this test: Find a niche that has about 10,000 results, no quotes. Write a short article, or put a page on your site about the niche, or something. Then do all the links you have for the keyword of that niche and see how quickly you get to Page One. Then see how quickly it is to get to the NUMBER one spot. This doesn't have to be a "money keyword" or any of that stuff, since it's just a test of the speed of your movement in the index.

If you are number ONE overnight, then you will know that Google "saw" the profiles.

[Doug D]

Steve has the right idea, and probably knows more about than I...nevertheless, what I do is--Just before I leave my profile page (after I have set it up with my links, at Angela or Pauls sites), I use the bookmarklets that I set up in my toolbar, to ping that exact url where my profile and links are. It's manual, yes. And I'm sure there are more efficient ways to do it, but i'm already there at that point, and it only takes a few seconds. I have two different ones--one is a "pingfm" bookmarklet that I grabbed from their site, and the other one is a custom java bookmarklet (or it was at the time, anyway) that pings pingomatic which is an aggregator that then sends it out to a bunch of places, I believe. To be honest...I have my G. alerts set up with my unique user that I use for the profiles, and I don't get to many alerts from G. on the profiles, whether I have pinged them or not. Of course, that does not mean that G. has not seen them. But, I just wanted to say that I really have not seen any discernable difference since I started pinging my profiles?

[LaCosaNostra]

Some of those sites currently has applied baclinking check system. The graveyard site for example, Their system just automatically deleted my account after I updated my profile with backlinks to my site, There also displayed a message that backlinking is violating their terms of service. I guess there already to many warriors went there and put their links, and that make them nutz.

[axleman]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Well, I know people worry about Google finding the profiles, so as I was thinking about this I thought of this test: Find a niche that has about 10,000 results, no quotes. Write a short article, or put a page on your site about the niche, or something. Then do all the links you have for the keyword of that niche and see how quickly you get to Page One. Then see how quickly it is to get to the NUMBER one spot. This doesn't have to be a "money keyword" or any of that stuff, since it's just a test of the speed of your movement in the index.

If you are number ONE overnight, then you will know that Google "saw" the profiles.

That's not exactly true. It only "proves" that Google saw enough of the backlinks to get the page to the number one spot, not that it saw all of them, right?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by axleman

That's not exactly true. It only "proves" that Google saw enough of the backlinks to get the page to the number one spot, not that it saw all of them, right?

Maybe with these many results. But I've gotten to Page One several times with a whole lot more results than that. I keep saying that and I keep telling people to watch THEIR movement. They are still concerned about whether or not the profiles are indexed, however, so the quickest and easiest way to put this to the test is the method I outlined. You may not be able to know if Google saw ALL of the backlinks, but if you get the number one spot and you aren't able to find MOST of the profiles in the index, you can be pretty sure that Google did, indeed, see the majority of them.

[RanjithaV]

Hi Angela,

I have been using the PDF file that you send every month to get backlinks from other high PR sites. It is just awesome!

I have got a qick question for you....

Do you know why Google is not indexing the links quickly when compared to Yahoo site explorer? In fact it is almost 10-20 times more in Yahoo when compared to Google. At the same time I don't see any change in Page Rank update or any other performance of my website it's all happening on time.

Can you please help me understand how exactly Google is trying to change it's algorithm.

Regards,
Ranjitha.
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[The Big Deal]

Just FYI, I just finished all 30 sites of the June pack over the last 3 days. I spent a good amount of time adding as much detail as possible to each profile to make them look as real as I could.

So far I have only had signup issues with 3 sites. 2 sites that I did have successful signups with initially then removed my profile within 24 hours. So 25 out of 30 is not bad! I actually had already seen movement after just the first 5.

Looking forward to the July pack!

[4morereferrals]

My google webmaster tools account only seems to update the anount links to my sites every 20 days or so ... even though Yahoo site explorer seems to update and display the links on an hourly basis [ if you check it that often :-) ]

They [ Google] are tracking them and moving the sites up - but just not showing them until they are damn good and ready ...

< 10 days is really nothing to worry about if they show up - unless you are aggressively trying to get the bots to the pages you linked on ...

Originally Posted by RanjithaV

Hi Angela,

I have been using the PDF file that you send every month to get backlinks from other high PR sites. It is just awesome!

I have got a qick question for you....

Do you know why Google is not indexing the links quickly when compared to Yahoo site explorer? In fact it is almost 10-20 times more in Yahoo when compared to Google. At the same time I don't see any change in Page Rank update or any other performance of my website it's all happening on time.

Can you please help me understand how exactly Google is trying to change it's algorithm.

Regards,
Ranjitha.
==

[axleman]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Maybe with these many results. But I've gotten to Page One several times with a whole lot more results than that. I keep saying that and I keep telling people to watch THEIR movement. They are still concerned about whether or not the profiles are indexed, however, so the quickest and easiest way to put this to the test is the method I outlined. You may not be able to know if Google saw ALL of the backlinks, but if you get the number one spot and you aren't able to find MOST of the profiles in the index, you can be pretty sure that Google did, indeed, see the majority of them.

Well, maybe I am just impatient

My site jumped from #13 to #5-8 (still dancing a little) today. I'm gonna hold off trying to do any interlinking of profiles and just let Google do it's thing for now.

[daveshu]

Hello,
I bought the back packets from Angela & started with the oldest pack first. I added about 50 links around 7-10 days ago for a 2 word key phrase that has only 18,900 competing pages.

I haven't seen any results yet, but I wanted to throw a question into the mix here.

My website is a .org.uk domain - it's already no1 in both Yahoo UK & Bing UK for this phrase & 6th in Google UK.

Do you think that there is any geographical restriction on how the links will perform - ie, if the links are from US hosted sites pointing to a UK extension hosted in the UK, will this have a detrimental effect?

Should I be looking for UK based authority sites to link from, or should the US to UK links be okay too?

Thanks!

[Doug D]

I don't claim to be an expert in these matters, but I am confident that U.S. links would not be detrimental in any way.
I would take links from U.K. based sites...all day long. The most important factor is the domain itself. And we know that these are "trusted" domains.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Doug D

I don't claim to be an expert in these matters, but I am confident that U.S. links would not be detrimental in any way.
I would take links from U.K. based sites...all day long. The most important factor is the domain itself. And we know that these are "trusted" domains.

I did that exact experiment. I used the June packet to build links for an African site, and its rankings went up from those links, not by much but it did.

[daveshu]

Thanks,
I was just curious as to whether people thought geography was a part of the google algo, maybe reducing the value of links, but maybe not.

I guess I'm just impatient

[Doug D]

If anything...I think a little geographic diversification is a good thing, but I still come back to the quality of the site that is linking to you...as being the most important factor.

[emakina]

added 120 angela back links to a subpage and a grand total of 5 pages have shown up i dont know what's going on - do home pages take the credit for the backlinks even if the anchor text points to the subpage? because i see the backlink count increase for the homepage but the subpage im backlinking to = 0

[daveshu]

Thanks Doug.

Do you think it helps to go & post in the forums on each site/ make a comment, or is it really enough to just sign up & let google find your profile.

It souunds almost too good to be true

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by emakina

added 120 angela back links to a subpage and a grand total of 5 pages have shown up i dont know what's going on - do home pages take the credit for the backlinks even if the anchor text points to the subpage? because i see the backlink count increase for the homepage but the subpage im backlinking to = 0

Google does very strange things indeed... Yesterday I noticed that Google indexed my links page, where I place my link partner's links. I forgot to change the title of the page, so the title is the same as my homepage. Guess what, that crappy link page with no inbound links and content ranked 14th for a VERY competitive keyword.

Very amusing indeed, I just about crapped myself when I saw it

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Doug D

If anything...I think a little geographic diversification is a good thing, but I still come back to the quality of the site that is linking to you...as being the most important factor.

Sir, how many back links did you build in one day? I remembered you said you are ranking very high after 6 weeks

[Doug D]

Dave,
There is know question...that that could only help you as far as increasing the chance that your profile page gets found and indexed by G. But its kind of a subjective thing, as to whether or not you want to spend the time doing it. Myself, I like to spend a little extra time setting up my profile so that it really blends in with the theme of the site. Also, not be paranoid, but some of the sites on Paul's packet for example...get very little traffic...like only hundreds of visitors a month, in some cases. I worry a little bit, about putting myself out there where site admins or other members (with no lives) might look at my profile and my links, and view it as spam. So in a sense there is something to be said for anonymity. And there are other things you can do to help get your profile page indexed. Think ping, think RSS, and bookmarks etc.

[Doug D]

Saidar,
1st off...I ain't no "sir". Some would even say...I'm a bit rough around the edges, and some might say...I'm like a bull in a china shop. But seriously, In my opinion...many people worry to much about getting to many links to fast. I have looked at thousands of keywords...and analyzed the top ten sites for those keywords. All I can say is there are a lot of sites that have many thousands of links...and the site is not even a year old in some cases. So I really wouldn't worry about that. I do all 30 of Angela's in one day...and I think I'm doing pretty well in the rankings for all of my most important keywords.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Saidar,
1st off...I ain't no "sir". Some would even say...I'm a bit rough around the edges, and some might say...I'm like a bull in a china shop. But seriously, In my opinion...many people worry to much about getting to many links to fast. I have looked at thousands of keywords...and analyzed the top ten sites for those keywords. All I can say is there are a lot of sites that have many thousands of links...and the site is not even a year old in some cases. So I really wouldn't worry about that. I do all 30 of Angela's in one day...and I think I'm doing pretty well in the rankings for all of my most important keywords.

That is good to hear, I did about 120 links in three days.

[nofearman]

I've been using this system for term "move posters" for about 2-3 months. I was at about position 90 when started. Then after about a month I was on PAGE ONE! Now this is a HIGHLY competitive keyword term with over 160,000 EXACT monthly search results and about 8 million EXACT cometitor results (movie posters in quotes).

NOw the BAD NEWS! As of last week , after enjoying about a week on first page, I was gradually DEMOTED to currently last PAGE 3 (posiiton 30) and dropping.

The million $$ question is , did I backlink TOO Much for this keyword term??

[samcarson]

One of my sites has 50 product pages. I would like to know from people experienced with Angela's links, what is the best way to proceed. Should I get 2 links from June's packet for each product page and a total 30 links to home page

Thanks in advance

[AnneE]

Okay, well I completed my experiment... now waiting for the results.

To recap, I wrote an article on GoArticles.com with LOW competition - 112K results when searching on the keywords. Now I have linked it to 30 websites from Angela's packages and a few I found on my own. They range from PR 5 to PR 9 with the vast majority being PR 7.

Last weekend when I created the first 11 links, the next day my article was #16 in the results. On Monday however, it was impossible to even find the article in Google's results unless I restricted the search to the GoArticles.com domain (then it was found).

On Friday 10 links were created in one day from my purchasing a package of backlinks. Yesterday (Saturday), my article was at least findable -- about #150 in the search results (yes one hundred fiftieth). Today I completed the links and reran the search and the article is some place around #300 in the search results. So I will say that at least some links seem to cause a temporary huge bump in my results. I now am going to back burner this project, as I have many other to-do's on my work list. And the point of doing this was to test out the 30 backlinks and low competition formula. And the proof will come if this formula puts my article on page 1 and keeps it there.

4morereferrals and Belgirl -- where are your results now?

[samcarson]

Anne in how many days did you finish all 30 links? Do you see a problem with doing them in one day?

[Doug D]

nofearman,
The bottom line is that there are so many variables that it would be difficult for anyone to ascertain the specifics of why you dropped. I experienced my own similar situation whereby one of my top keywords that I have been working very hard to get to #1 over the last 2 months, finally resulted in not only a #1, but a #1 and #2. I was there for about a week, then out of nowhere I dropped to #4 and #5. Of course my competitors are Big Brands, but I had there qty of links going to there page, memorized...so I know that they didn't acquire anymore links. Not only that, I have several hundred links going to my pages, and most of those links have my anchor text for that keyword. And the #1 site...Target (the store) has like 8 links going to there page. W.T.F. right? right!
I was really pissed at first, and that only served to motivate me to get more links. Just this morning I went back to #1 and #2.
The moral of the story: Don't waste time trying to figure out why G. moved you negatively. Use it as motivation to get back to the top. And to answer your question...in my mind it is very unlikely that you got to many links to fast. If I were you I would be getting more links and working my way back. And, you never know with G., you could bounce back tomorrow...without even getting anymore links.
I would be remiss if I didn't mention that...if you do see real significant drops or across the board big drops...then you would want to do your due diligence and check your site structure, make sure you don't have any 404's etc. Sometimes **** does happen...that you do need to investigate. But in general, even in my short 2 months I.M. for my website, I have learned to just keep plugging away and try not to dwell on any minor setbacks along the way...for what its worth.
Doug

[kckaz]

I got to position #3 on page #1 out of nowhere for "success biographies" that has 7,000,000 competing pages with only 3 links. But when I added another 6 links, I dropped to page 3. So I wonder if some links are disliked.

I finished the packet and now rank #3 for "success biographies" and #1 for "success biography". So who knows for sure what the deal is.

[Shane F]

I originally used Angela's packets way back and saw some of the same frustrations some of you did. You backlink a new site, then it disappears from Google. I even cancelled my membership thinking this was a waste.

After reading more and more and seeing my sites bounce back and stick to the top, I emailed Angela, asking to get back in. She was understanding and allowed me too.

I have sites that compete with over 15 million search results and 80,000 sites that are in the top 5 on Google by using her packets. Sites with less competition are easy to get on page one with one or two packets. Each one bounces around drastically for the first month then sticks.

Think about it, if these backlinks had a negative impact on your site, then I would just backlink the hell out of my competitors and vanish them from the rankings.

30 links and 2 days is not enough time. Be patient and realize the power of what Angela is doing for us. I also have taken the advice of others and now completely optimize each site she gives us. In addition to the backlinks, if there is a site that allows a blog, then post articles there! I post ezine articles of mine for everyplace that allows blog posts. This has increased rankings for those really well also.

I will start pinging the profile URL also. Thanks for that tip, (i forgot your name).

Hope that helps, Shane

[Angela V. Edwards]

Thank you so much for the feedback, Upstate Cowboy. I think quite a few people run into the "just started backlinking" frustrations at first and some of them, not knowing what is normal, think they've been penalized or some such thing. But you're right; if getting a penalty is THIS easy and fast, people would be "penalizing" their competitors all over the internet and what used to be a great Search Engine (Google) would be pure mayhem. Google is not going to let that happen. They've got way too much money invested, to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars.

I appreciate the feedback on the sites that allow blogs. More than once I have heard from people that these are super powerful and I've taken notice of that as I look for more backlinks.

[daveshu]

Well shiver me timbers!

I just checked for the site I really wanted to get to no 1 in google (the one thats already no 1 in yahoo & bing) and it's now no 1 in google uk & google.com for the main search term & 2nd for my 2nd search term !

I think I'm seeing things (its 3-00 am here) so I'm going to bed & will see if it's still there in the morning

Unfortuantely I had also made some other changes to the site so I can't say with 100% certainty that it's down to the backlinks only, but I have a pretty strong suspicion it probably is.

[emakina]

im still worried because out of 120 links now to a subpage only 6 links show up.

im thinking my home page is taking the credit for the backlinks or something.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

People, people... remember this: Google DOESN'T crawl every site every day. If you do a bunch of backlinks all at once, it is VERY unlikely that Google is going to discover all of those backlinks at the same time.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

People, people... remember this: Google DOESN'T crawl every site every day. If you do a bunch of backlinks all at once, it is VERY unlikely that Google is going to discover all of those backlinks at the same time.

Yes, this is exactly right; your movement will go up over time. Sometimes it's really fast and sometimes it's not. It just depends on how soon Google crawls the sites.

[AndyBlackSEO]

Originally Posted by axleman

That's another problem I have on my new sites... getting them indexed fast in Google. I see all these people claiming to get indexed in less than 24 hours, but it always seems to take mine a week or so at least before Google indexes them. I do sitemaps, webmaster tools, analytics, digg, etc, but it doesn't seem to matter.

I was adding a few of my profile links to high traffic pages to get them indexed quickly. This though for some reason has stopped working. Not sure if Googles algo sniffed out a pattern. Before though, this ensured my links were indexed within 24hrs of setting up a profile.

Prividing a human can physically locate your profile page from the index page (ie - navigate from the index page and be able to get to your profile page somehow) the spiders will have no problem. Providing your profile doesn't get buried too quickly.

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by samcarson

Anne in how many days did you finish all 30 links? Do you see a problem with doing them in one day?

The only problem I see with doing them all in one day is my own ability or inability to do so. I do think I could go through now and add 20 in fairly quickly, as that is how many sites I did on my own after verifying that the links placed there back in Feb and March were still there and still follow. But... I still don't know if I'd opt to do them in ONE day. Basically for me it took about 9 days from start to finish to add all 30 links, with a couple days where I added 10 and then lots of days with 0 - 3 links being done.

Angela, and a few other folks say they have not seen a problem doing a large number of links in one day. I'm not sure I'll ever get the time and inclination to test the theory out!

[pj413]

Originally Posted by emakina

im still worried because out of 120 links now to a subpage only 6 links show up.

im thinking my home page is taking the credit for the backlinks or something.

The backlinks won’t show up right away, it can take up to two months before you can see them in any backlink checker tool, and Google will never show all of your links. However, these links start working for your site long before they show up in any tool.

[emakina]

Originally Posted by pj413

The backlinks won’t show up right away, it can take up to two months before you can see them in any backlink checker tool, and Google will never show all of your links. However, these links start working for your site long before they show up in any tool.

yea its just weird though as an experiment i am linking from one domain to my home page and also the subpage. link for homepage shows up right away, however it never does for the subpage.

a question to you and angela, and anyone else that wants to answer.

should i be creating a different username for all of these sites. when google indexes all of these sites, would they not see that all of the backlinks are coming,although from different domains, from the same "username"?

[AnneE]

Originally Posted by AnneE

Okay, well I completed my experiment... now waiting for the results.

To recap, I wrote an article on GoArticles.com with LOW competition - 112K results when searching on the keywords. Now I have linked it to 30 websites from Angela's packages and a few I found on my own. They range from PR 5 to PR 9 with the vast majority being PR 7.

Last weekend when I created the first 11 links, the next day my article was #16 in the results. On Monday however, it was impossible to even find the article in Google's results unless I restricted the search to the GoArticles.com domain (then it was found).

On Friday 10 links were created in one day from my purchasing a package of backlinks. Yesterday (Saturday), my article was at least findable -- about #150 in the search results (yes one hundred fiftieth). Today I completed the links and reran the search and the article is some place around #300 in the search results. So I will say that at least some links seem to cause a temporary huge bump in my results. I now am going to back burner this project, as I have many other to-do's on my work list. And the point of doing this was to test out the 30 backlinks and low competition formula. And the proof will come if this formula puts my article on page 1 and keeps it there.

Well I queried this morning, thinking "Stop being so obsessed, you only queried last night and you weren't even in the ballpark." and my article is #5 (yes, 5, not 5th page, Page 1, Item 5)... will it last? I'll let you know... I'll probably try to contain myself and simply track it for the next 1 - 2 weeks, then write one post with those results.

P.S. -- Edited 7/2 - Three days later, I'm holding at #5. Unfortunately the product I'm promoting moved up to #1. I don't link to it directly, so I don't think I'm responsible. This does mean I'm less likely to see commissions as many will buy from that first website.

On the other hand, I have a new keyword phrase and a corresponding $30 commission product from Clickbank that I am going to try out -- call me old-fashion, but I like to use a product before I recommend it. The new keyword phrase has 310K competitive results including some ezinearticles and really lame websites coming up on page 1, so it looks like pretty low-hanging fruit to me (practically laying on the ground it's so low).

[belgirl]

Nice job Anne! I, on the other hand, have had no success yet. Sigh...

[MR2nice]

Thank you for the share. I can learn from this.

[djbory]

So Much for BACKLINK BUILDING and CONTENT… I just discovered something very disturbing at Google…

Angela’s and Paul’s BackLinks are good, no doubt about it... I have benefit from them... But I have been doing some SEO analysis on Google for the last few days now…I’ll just bring one of my discoveries to see is someone has some explanation:

I’ve been checking on a site I just found in Google 1rst page for a highly competitive

keyword: internet income

Site address: internetincome.com


The site has 2 backlinks, no bookmarks, no content whatsoever, NOTHING-NADA just a ridiculous page sitting there in Google first page…

I'm not an IM expert, but I only see that the domain is about 8 years old…That shouldn’t be enough…

Any good explanation?


DJBory

[Angela V. Edwards]

Hi DJ,

It might be because the site owner just started doing backlinks for their site. Remember, they don't show in the "backlink checker" tools for several months. When I got my doctor's site to the top of Google someone could have looked at that site's backlinks too and said "what's going on, here?" as none of the ones I had just done showed for quite some time.

People expect to see their backlinks in the checker tools almost instantly, but that doesn't happen. And yes, people can get their site to the top of Google before any of the links show.