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And I HAVE put sites in the packets where people were required to post bookmarks and stories. It's not just a bunch of profile links to "spam". The only reason most of them are that type now are because of the abusers. And again, Google would HAVE to determine who was a valid user and who was not. Thousands of people sign up for sites and then forget to use them or don't have time or lose their internet capability or their computers break down or some such thing. Like I said already, having a site or two disable signing up is NORMAL and has been from the VERY BEGINNING; even when there were only a couple of dozen people signed up to my program. If you think the program is "shaky" then you think it's shaky. There's no use trying to convince you that it's working beatifully, even now. However, unless you can prove that Google HAS devalued these links or that similar programs such as all the Social Bookmarking software and programs and manual submissions have been devalued, then there is no evidence that this is going to happen. Again, two years ago, people were saying that Social Bookmarking was going down the tubes, too. And I had several customers who were concerned by the Social Bookmarking sites I had in my packets in the past. Some people didn't want to use ANY of those types of links. And yet~here we are, two years later and those sites and all that software and such is still humming along beautifully.
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What is the point of spending all that time if the links will be removed within two years? And most of them will definitely be removed sooner or later. They won't notice 100 profiles that are out of the ordinary, but a few thousand is a bit difficult not to notice. I may be wrong but this is reality, websites make a lot of money and where money is to be made all threats are extinguished as quickly as possible | |
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Saidar, you are basing your facts on assumptions of what other people think. If you believe that so be it. There are a lot of people who believe this and that. It just doesn't hurt to appear more natural looking.
Just hope Google stays dumb like you said, otherwise if it goes wrong, many things can go wrong. But, what if they didn't stay dumb? What happens then? |
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Can you prove otherwise? I would be glad to see some results because right now I'm building links at a very fast pace and I don't want to do it all for nothing | |
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From your experience, how should we proceed with our links building campaigns? I would like yo hear your opinion, theories, experimentation or whatever about it |
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Another thing we should remember is that a lot of website owners are making money from their websites and the more traffic, the better. So what if people create profiles there? The more people who visit, the more likely their ads will be clicked or whatever. Not ALL website owners are going to be bothered by the traffic. One of the great .Edu sites I found for September was given away on a post on Digital Point shortly after my packet came out. (There are over 100,000 users on that forum.) That site got spammed to DEATH. People left FULL PAGES of links. And yet~that .Edu site is still Page Rank 6 today (it's PR didn't "wash away" like some claim will happen), is still Do Follow, and still gives great "link juice" 10 months later. So all this talking about 'devaluing' of links is just that: speculation and conjecture. | |
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That is the reason why I say most of those websites will remove the links within two years. And speculating I am, only time will tell. But I'm still going to use your links as usual , until the red flags are waving everywhere.This has gone a bit off topic. | |
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I think we're actually talking about similar things. The "visitors who spam" the sites much of the time were the folks who got the packets for free in the first place. I'm all for the webmasters taking away those links.
![]() I always put my name, my photo, my location and often other stuff in my profiles and I've recommended that others do the same. People who are wise and use the sites like the gold they are most likely won't have any problems, even two years down the road.
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It is a bit difficult to leave a link in the about box without it looking like spam I have tried but It always looks suspicious, even more so if anchored text is used.I just want to make you understand that I''m not your enemy here I want to figure this out myself so that we can use your links to the best way possible for our businesses and websites. Sometimes arguing is necessary, that is usually what solves problems | |
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I never thought you were my enemy and healthy discussion is a good thing. I am trying to point out that what you think MIGHT be the case or MIGHT happen possibly isn't even an issue at all. A lot of this can simply be boiled down to the term worry. And you know what is said about worry: Thankfully, most of what we worry about never occurs. The French philosopher Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, wrote in the 1500's, "My life has been filled with terrible misfortune; most of which never happened." I actually think you have a good outlook on the whole thing; you are using the profiles properly as well as branching out to sites on your own and using the packets to reinforce the links you got yourself. I think your links will be just fine for a long, long, time.
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Bottom line- I concur with Ang, in that many (not all) of these sites...are just fine with people setting up profiles "proper like", and then perhaps not returning. This is not uncommon regardless of intent on the part of the person setting up the profile. There biz model is somewhat based on traffic, profiles etc. Their monetization can be affected by traffic, or lack there of.
I would not question the value of these links, and I don't think anyone else should either. Obviously any opinion (mine included) regarding the potential future devaluation of such links...is merely speculation. Lest anyone think that Google is "dumb" though, you are a little naive. They employ some of the best computer science persons in the world. Paid links, 3 ways etc.-- Is child's play for them to detect. I'm talking in large qty's, of course. If you have some little site where you approached a few doz. sites and got them to put a link to you for a monthly fee, and did a handful of 3 ways...I'm sure you get value from those links. But thousands of 3 ways set up at one site...would likely come into their crosshairs and get devalued. It's all a matter of where they want to put their limited resources. I was only originally making the point that if the methods being discussed here...became so widespread...and having the power that they do, and the lack of perceived value to the web (in G.'s eyes), that they might just throw some resources at it to negate the value that is currently being observed. I envision 20 "Angela's" out there selling packets. It will be chaos, armageddon, and the world as we know it will come to an end. All that will be left is Google. LOL I suppose the thing to is keep using these resources...but it should be just one weapon in your arsenal. If you are using it in conjunction with creating solid content and distributing it wisely, along with other methods...then it will just serve as a few extra rungs in the ladder...to get you to your end game that much quicker. Of course, I have an ecommerce site that I built for the long haul, with the ability to generate enough sales to provide sufficient income for a few people. You guys with 100 adsense sites...I suppose your philosophy might be different than mine. |
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let's see the 'smart' people at work
buy viagra - Google Search search term buy viagra well what do you know....the majority of the first 50 sites have NOTHING to do with viagra, and a lot of them are forum profile pages. this has been going on FOR AGES. are you telling me that Google hasn't found a way to fix this problem? paid links? lol they send secret agents to see what's going on behind doors lol the way they determine it is by patterns, and someone reporting another person. patterns can deceive, and this is why it's not used as much. if Google was that smart then they wouldn't have a section to fill out SPAM REPORTS on paid links, and other stuff in their webmaster tools. Why these guys are from MIT so they don't need US to police their search engine....or do they? being naive is actually drinking the 'koolaid' Quote:
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Thanks for the personal reply Angela. Well i will try to use every packet in future but is it worth using old packets as well? Like feb,march,april,may,june? Or shall i just go for the new ones?
Just a bit confused if these packets really work even after one or two months or their releasing. Thanks Webmatic |
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The old packets are more than worth your time and money. In fact, for the time and money...I don't think you will get more value with any other techniques. For $5 per 30 it's a no-brainer...even if half of them didnt work, which is not the case, by the way. Just work on your methods...like using roboform, copy/paste from notepad etc. If you have a competent outsourcer, even better. In my opinion...you won't get a better bang for your buck & time, than using all Ang & Paul's sites. Just buy em all and get to work. Obviously you need to use other methods too though.
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Yikes!
I have to admit to being a bit worried right now. My customers website, which had been doing so well has suddenly vanished from Google for every search term that includes his keywords - it's still there if I search for his company name - but everything else has gone, en masse! I'm quite used to seeing sites disappear for the odd search term here & there, but for them ALL to go at once - I have a bad feeling here ![]() Any thoughts? |
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The "Google Dance" usually (not always, though...it can happen at any time) happens shortly after backlinks were added to a website; no matter HOW they were added. I suspect this is something that is written into Google's algorithm. | |
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I hope so Angela! I've never seen it vanish for all of the search terms in one go though.
I expect the big G may still be reindexing his site from all of the changes I made to it as well. The links seem(ed) to be doing the trick nicely though - thanks Angela! |
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Can we have a discussion also on how to get the profiles indexed? I know that's not the purpose of this thread, but it will all be in one place since this thread is now more like an ebook.
I noticed that some are bookmarking the profiles so google can find them, while others are pinging them. When I click on the PageRank dropdown on the google toolbar and look under cache, I am unable to see the profile. (did this after one week since submission). Angela - should we even bother to do this? Thanks |
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I as curious to find out how belgirl is doing
Would be interesting to find out how these methods have worked out for a newbie |
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i know they are in site explorer but I manage about 1 dozen Google Profile accounts and bookmarking, and not 1 backlink shows up in Webmaster tools
show us a screen shot of the webmaster tools thanks |
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Nothing personal, but I think your assumptions are all very subjective and opinionated with not a whole lot of logic ..??
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NEWS FLASH! My Site is Now #1 For My Targeted Keyword Phrase...and Then Some. So right now I have to give credit where credit is due. Today my site went #1 for my targeted keyword phrase. We'll see if the traffic actually doubles when you go from the 2-3 spots to #1 when I pull the Analytics tomorrow morning. Better yet...my site is now ranking #2 for a related keyword term that gets 50% more traffic than the one I was hunting down. How you like 'dem apples? I'd have to say that what I've gotten from Angela's Backlinks is responsible for at least 50% of this success. Did I submit the site to 1,000 Web Directories? Yes. Did I distribute out a few articles with Article Marketer? Yes. Did I get the site into a 3-Way Linking Program? Yes. But all these are low-value links. It wasn't until I found Angela's Backlinks that I was able to hook high-value links to my site. . Plenty of what I was taught in ebooks and videos said go and comment on Authority Blogs to get backlinks. That's all fine and dandy but they didn't give me a reliable way to FIND these sites where I can get a backlink that wasn't NoFollowed AND had high value. Other tools lead you to places where you can get a DoFollow backlinks, but the site was weak and didn't transfer much (if any) weight back to mine. Still others would be authority sites, but you'd find they wree NoFollow. And NOWHERE was anyone promoting profile backlinks from High-PR sites for "trickle down" PR. Angela's backlinks was able to put all that together for me. I'm more than happy. This resource has given me the confidence to be able to compete in any niche I choose to target. |
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Just a quick post about Angela's back links. I started using them last week as well as Paul's back links. Before I started I was on page 9 for a search term. Over the course of the week after submitting all of the first free packet from Angela and about 60 or so from Paul my keyword went from page 9 to all over the place all week which from what I have read is normal. Any way as of today I am on page 1 in the 4th spot in google.
Does this work? So far it appears to work well and like I said only took a week from page 9 to page 1. Thanks a bunch Angela and Paul! |
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i have asked everyone who has told me that Google Bookmarks and/or Profile links shows up in webmaster tools to show me a screenshot.....and they never reply back
i have asked this question on MANY FORUMS, and have even asked at least 50 SEOs that I know PERSONALLY..and they all said it doesn't show up so to answer you....I sure am calling you out. I would understand if you can't produce one....wouldnt be the first time |
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Wow! 50 seo's personally. That's kool man. I don't even know 50 people personally. Will you be my friend Banker?
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Ya...your right. Maybe some day I will be as knowledgeable as you, and then I could be your friend. Until then, I will work diligently and listen to all that you say. Thank you so much.
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1st rule of becoming an SEO expert is to stop listening and start doing.
I noticed one of your posts stated that you're an expert because you been reading up on materials for over 5months, but you just broadcasted your first website that same week. (this was in may) My advice is to put everything to the test just like Dan Theis and the other ppl at stompernet. Also, you proclaim yourself to be a SEO Expert on WF then ask SEO noob questions on WF Opinion Please-Best SEO Practice On Hosting My Blog |
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what cracks me up is there's a lot of ppl indicating best practices because of something they read not because of something they have experienced
we can come up with a lot of reasons why Angela's are the best or why they suck...the point is that it works. coming up with a reasons of why it wont work or why it doesnt work is insane. to say Google's search engine has no flaws is ridiculous to say you can't afford the first amount FOR FREE is beyond understanding to say you can't continue the subscription at 5 per month shows you should not be in internet marketing. |
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And I don't believe he said he was an expert. But if you are one please share with us your exceptional knowledge I would love to hear it! Like I said, never stop learning | |
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I seriously don't know why people call themselves SEO "experts" anyway! A 6 year old can be an "SEO Expert"! It is really simple, a few tricks here and there but not much. At the end of the day the one thing that counts is experience and actually doing it. Other than that the theory is really simple.
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nothing wrong with asking questions but you'll never learn unless you try it yourself
i have always heard and still hear that Content is king if you ask someone how to make a great website...they'll telll you that to make great content and everyone will link to you, and that you wont need to create backlinks i'm sure everyone here has been creating content for a long time...and can testify that w/out backlinks you're nada Quote:
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when you are doing SEO for a living then you'll meet a lot of SEOs
i counted 50 because that's the amount of responses in emails i have received when i asked this question a month back in my city there's at least 20 ppl i know that do SEO, and twice as many in Miami, and a lot more across the world Quote:
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I made a huge content site with the best articles in that niche on the internet, and 6 months later... NOT ONE LINK! Maybe it takes 5 years...
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Skippy,
I've never stated I was an expert at anything (see self deprecating title under photo). All I can do is aspire to someday begin to even comprehend the intellectual level at which you are at. Until then, I will go back to promoting my site...whilst you spread your vast knowledge to the masses, here in the forums where us mere mortals reside, eagerly awaiting to hear from the genius of Skippy. He who knows 50 seo's personally. We can all dream, can't we? |
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Maybe if you start having respect then ppl would be a lot more friendlier.
Judging by your other posts on other threads...it seems I'm not the only one you seem to annoy. Go learn some SEO before you start calling anyone out. Your assumptions on this thread has shown you know little so I would recommend that you start actually working on a handful of sites, and not think you hit the goldmine when you get an extra handful of visitors per month. BTW I was referring to your self proclamation that you made in another thread...alongside your statement of receiving 200 unique visitors per month from a site you just started a few weeks back. Quote:
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BTW folks
Google has normally updated Pagerank on a page every 3-4months You can't expect them to update it almost immediately (1-2 weeks) Just recently Google updated PR within a 5-6week period. They will however remove the Gray bar within 1-2 weeks if you build links to the page. The page will go from gray to white ...otherwise known as PR 0 (no value) There are 2 ways to build PR 1. Internal linking - if the website doesnt internally link to your profile then you wont get this benefit. You will normally get this benefit from forums as you can see they have the username at the bottom of the forum. This is normally found as 'New User = Username' If the username link is nofollowed then you're out of luck. Best practice if the username appears at the bottom and is followed - try not to create too many usernames at once because there's usually only 1 new username at the bottom. if you create more than 1 then google willl probably only see your last username you create 2. Backlinks - if you create backlinks to the profile link or the page then the will increase from gray/PR0 to PR 1. You will need at least a PR1-2 baclink pointing to page for it to become a PR1. If your backlinks are also gray bar then it will not pass any PR juice. this is just on PR Google looks at other stuff besides PR...so just because the PR bar is Gray doesnt mean the link is worth nothing. Last point - just because the page has a Pagerank doesnt mean the site will be indexed. Also, just because it has a PR0 or GrayPR doesnt mean it WONT be indexed. best way to find these links is finding them by the username you used. if you use Angela as a username then you probably wont find the links create unique usernames so you can later find it when searching for it. |
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Skippy,
I never said 200 uniques a month either? It was a daily # for a new site. Thats cool though...that you are an internet entrepreneur, and still find the time to go through w.f. member's back posts. And to think I just wasted 800 bones on Dan Thies's L.L.) In retrospect...I clearly would have been better off giving it to you, and learning link building from you. I could have learned some valuable time management tips too. Thanks for your insightful post on PR and backlinks. |
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lol sorry i actually meant to say 200 per day
but really good for everyone to see that you were getting 200 UNIQUE visitors per day within weeks of LAUNCHING your site...and this was your FIRST SITE lol Quote:
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