The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Well, we're assuming that EVERYONE is simply "drive by spamming" the sites. However, I have heard several people talk about how thrilled they were about some site or another in a packet that they have stayed and participated on. Quite a few of these sites are extremely interesting, or they are great for networking, or several other things. People DO stay and participate on the sites...lots of times.

Another thing we should remember is that a lot of website owners are making money from their websites and the more traffic, the better. So what if people create profiles there? The more people who visit, the more likely their ads will be clicked or whatever. Not ALL website owners are going to be bothered by the traffic.

One of the great .Edu sites I found for September was given away on a post on Digital Point shortly after my packet came out. (There are over 100,000 users on that forum.) That site got spammed to DEATH. People left FULL PAGES of links. And yet~that .Edu site is still Page Rank 6 today (it's PR didn't "wash away" like some claim will happen), is still Do Follow, and still gives great "link juice" 10 months later. So all this talking about 'devaluing' of links is just that: speculation and conjecture.

Making money from link builders? I don't think so. I know you are trying to make your service look good for the websites but it is not, it can't be good in any way possible no matter how you look at tit, Visitors who spam and leave forever are definitely not a valuable asset to any website business, and the tiny few who actually stay are one out of a thousand.

That is the reason why I say most of those websites will remove the links within two years. And speculating I am, only time will tell. But I'm still going to use your links as usual , until the red flags are waving everywhere.

This has gone a bit off topic.

[Angela V. Edwards]

I think we're actually talking about similar things. The "visitors who spam" the sites much of the time were the folks who got the packets for free in the first place. I'm all for the webmasters taking away those links.

I always put my name, my photo, my location and often other stuff in my profiles and I've recommended that others do the same. People who are wise and use the sites like the gold they are most likely won't have any problems, even two years down the road.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

I think we're actually talking about similar things. The "visitors who spam" the sites much of the time were the folks who got the packets for free in the first place. I'm all for the webmasters taking away those links.

I always put my name, my photo, my location and often other stuff in my profiles and I've recommended that others do the same. People who are wise and use the sites like the gold they are most likely won't have any problems, even two years down the road.

Doing that may solve to problem, but I do not think webmasters gave the about box for the reason of leaving HTML links there. That may get your profile deleted if they delete all profiles with links in their about boxes. That is what I would have done, because 99% of web surfers doesn't even know what HTML is, so the chance of deleting innocent profiles will be less than 1%

It is a bit difficult to leave a link in the about box without it looking like spam I have tried but It always looks suspicious, even more so if anchored text is used.

I just want to make you understand that I''m not your enemy here I want to figure this out myself so that we can use your links to the best way possible for our businesses and websites. Sometimes arguing is necessary, that is usually what solves problems

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Saidar

Doing that may solve to problem, but I do not think webmasters gave the about box for the reason of leaving HTML links there. That may get your profile deleted if they delete all profiles with links in their about boxes. That is what I would have done, because 99% of web surfers doesn't even know what HTML is, so the chance of deleting innocent profiles will be less than 1%

It is a bit difficult to leave a link in the about box without it looking like spam I have tried but It always looks suspicious, even more so if anchored text is used.

I just want to make you understand that I''m not your enemy here I want to figure this out myself so that we can use your links to the best way possible for our businesses and websites. Sometimes arguing is necessary, that is usually what solves problems

Actually quite a few of the sites tell you right underneath that HTML is allowed and often they will show you which HTML codes will work. A lot of people know a little bit about HTML, but often they are using it for pictures and such. "For style" is how some sites put it.

I never thought you were my enemy and healthy discussion is a good thing. I am trying to point out that what you think MIGHT be the case or MIGHT happen possibly isn't even an issue at all. A lot of this can simply be boiled down to the term worry. And you know what is said about worry:

Thankfully, most of what we worry about never occurs. The French philosopher Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, wrote in the 1500's, "My life has been filled with terrible misfortune; most of which never happened."

I actually think you have a good outlook on the whole thing; you are using the profiles properly as well as branching out to sites on your own and using the packets to reinforce the links you got yourself. I think your links will be just fine for a long, long, time.

[Saidar]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Actually quite a few of the sites tell you right underneath that HTML is allowed and often they will show you which HTML codes will work. A lot of people know a little bit about HTML, but often they are using it for pictures and such. "For style" is how some sites put it.

I never thought you were my enemy and healthy discussion is a good thing. I am trying to point out that what you think MIGHT be the case or MIGHT happen possibly isn't even an issue at all. A lot of this can simply be boiled down to the term worry. And you know what is said about worry:

Thankfully, most of what we worry about never occurs. The French philosopher Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, wrote in the 1500's, "My life has been filled with terrible misfortune; most of which never happened."

I actually think you have a good outlook on the whole thing; you are using the profiles properly as well as branching out to sites on your own and using the packets to reinforce the links you got yourself. I think your links will be just fine for a long, long, time.

I hope they do, I don't like to waste time (I'm a full time student). Will finish your July package tomorrow

[Doug D]

Bottom line- I concur with Ang, in that many (not all) of these sites...are just fine with people setting up profiles "proper like", and then perhaps not returning. This is not uncommon regardless of intent on the part of the person setting up the profile. There biz model is somewhat based on traffic, profiles etc. Their monetization can be affected by traffic, or lack there of.
I would not question the value of these links, and I don't think anyone else should either.
Obviously any opinion (mine included) regarding the potential future devaluation of such links...is merely speculation.
Lest anyone think that Google is "dumb" though, you are a little naive. They employ some of the best computer science persons in the world. Paid links, 3 ways etc.-- Is child's play for them to detect. I'm talking in large qty's, of course. If you have some little site where you approached a few doz. sites and got them to put a link to you for a monthly fee, and did a handful of 3 ways...I'm sure you get value from those links. But thousands of 3 ways set up at one site...would likely come into their crosshairs and get devalued. It's all a matter of where they want to put their limited resources. I was only originally making the point that if the methods being discussed here...became so widespread...and having the power that they do, and the lack of perceived value to the web (in G.'s eyes), that they might just throw some resources at it to negate the value that is currently being observed.
I envision 20 "Angela's" out there selling packets. It will be chaos, armageddon, and the world as we know it will come to an end. All that will be left is Google. LOL
I suppose the thing to is keep using these resources...but it should be just one weapon in your arsenal. If you are using it in conjunction with creating solid content and distributing it wisely, along with other methods...then it will just serve as a few extra rungs in the ladder...to get you to your end game that much quicker.
Of course, I have an ecommerce site that I built for the long haul, with the ability to generate enough sales to provide sufficient income for a few people. You guys with 100 adsense sites...I suppose your philosophy might be different than mine.

[banker0679]

let's see the 'smart' people at work

buy viagra - Google Search

search term

buy viagra

well what do you know....the majority of the first 50 sites have NOTHING to do with viagra, and a lot of them are forum profile pages. this has been going on FOR AGES.
are you telling me that Google hasn't found a way to fix this problem?

paid links? lol
they send secret agents to see what's going on behind doors lol
the way they determine it is by patterns, and someone reporting another person.
patterns can deceive, and this is why it's not used as much.

if Google was that smart then they wouldn't have a section to fill out SPAM REPORTS on paid links, and other stuff in their webmaster tools.

Why these guys are from MIT so they don't need US to police their search engine....or do they?

being naive is actually drinking the 'koolaid'

Originally Posted by Doug D

Bottom line- I concur with Ang, in that many (not all) of these sites...are just fine with people setting up profiles "proper like", and then perhaps not returning. This is not uncommon regardless of intent on the part of the person setting up the profile. There biz model is somewhat based on traffic, profiles etc. Their monetization can be affected by traffic, or lack there of.
I would not question the value of these links, and I don't think anyone else should either.
Obviously any opinion (mine included) regarding the potential future devaluation of such links...is merely speculation.
Lest anyone think that Google is "dumb" though, you are a little naive. They employ some of the best computer science persons in the world. Paid links, 3 ways etc.-- Is child's play for them to detect. I'm talking in large qty's, of course. If you have some little site where you approached a few doz. sites and got them to put a link to you for a monthly fee, and did a handful of 3 ways...I'm sure you get value from those links. But thousands of 3 ways set up at one site...would likely come into their crosshairs and get devalued. It's all a matter of where they want to put their limited resources. I was only originally making the point that if the methods being discussed here...became so widespread...and having the power that they do, and the lack of perceived value to the web (in G.'s eyes), that they might just throw some resources at it to negate the value that is currently being observed.
I envision 20 "Angela's" out there selling packets. It will be chaos, armageddon, and the world as we know it will come to an end. All that will be left is Google. LOL
I suppose the thing to is keep using these resources...but it should be just one weapon in your arsenal. If you are using it in conjunction with creating solid content and distributing it wisely, along with other methods...then it will just serve as a few extra rungs in the ladder...to get you to your end game that much quicker.
Of course, I have an ecommerce site that I built for the long haul, with the ability to generate enough sales to provide sufficient income for a few people. You guys with 100 adsense sites...I suppose your philosophy might be different than mine.

[webmatic]

Thanks for the personal reply Angela. Well i will try to use every packet in future but is it worth using old packets as well? Like feb,march,april,may,june? Or shall i just go for the new ones?
Just a bit confused if these packets really work even after one or two months or their releasing.
Thanks
Webmatic

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You can target a highly competitive keyword, but you won't get to the top with one packet. It will take several packets to get there.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by webmatic

Thanks for the personal reply Angela. Well i will try to use every packet in future but is it worth using old packets as well? Like feb,march,april,may,june? Or shall i just go for the new ones?
Just a bit confused if these packets really work even after one or two months or their releasing.
Thanks
Webmatic

The old packets work just fine. Again, it's only one or two sites in most packets that have removed the capability to get links or have made links No Follow. I have used the older packets recently and I have a pretty good list of "power sites" built from ALL my packets of the strongest and best sites for backlinks. I use this list when I have new projects that I want to get to the top quickly.

[Doug D]

The old packets are more than worth your time and money. In fact, for the time and money...I don't think you will get more value with any other techniques. For $5 per 30 it's a no-brainer...even if half of them didnt work, which is not the case, by the way. Just work on your methods...like using roboform, copy/paste from notepad etc. If you have a competent outsourcer, even better. In my opinion...you won't get a better bang for your buck & time, than using all Ang & Paul's sites. Just buy em all and get to work. Obviously you need to use other methods too though.

[daveshu]

Yikes!

I have to admit to being a bit worried right now. My customers website, which had been doing so well has suddenly vanished from Google for every search term that includes his keywords - it's still there if I search for his company name - but everything else has gone, en masse!

I'm quite used to seeing sites disappear for the odd search term here & there, but for them ALL to go at once - I have a bad feeling here

Any thoughts?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by daveshu

Yikes!

I have to admit to being a bit worried right now. My customers website, which had been doing so well has suddenly vanished from Google for every search term that includes his keywords - it's still there if I search for his company name - but everything else has gone, en masse!

I'm quite used to seeing sites disappear for the odd search term here & there, but for them ALL to go at once - I have a bad feeling here

Any thoughts?

This happens all the time; usually right after you've been working with linkbuilding. If you have been working on all the sites recently, this would explain it. It's the "Google Dance" and you will most likely find that they are right back up in a day or two.

The "Google Dance" usually (not always, though...it can happen at any time) happens shortly after backlinks were added to a website; no matter HOW they were added. I suspect this is something that is written into Google's algorithm.

[daveshu]

I hope so Angela! I've never seen it vanish for all of the search terms in one go though.

I expect the big G may still be reindexing his site from all of the changes I made to it as well.

The links seem(ed) to be doing the trick nicely though - thanks Angela!

[samcarson]

Can we have a discussion also on how to get the profiles indexed? I know that's not the purpose of this thread, but it will all be in one place since this thread is now more like an ebook.

I noticed that some are bookmarking the profiles so google can find them, while others are pinging them. When I click on the PageRank dropdown on the google toolbar and look under cache, I am unable to see the profile. (did this after one week since submission).

Angela - should we even bother to do this?

Thanks

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by banker0679

Google's profile link or bookmarking is GARBAGE because Google never gives any juice to it's own links.
You'll never see the profile link or bookmarks in your webmaster tools

I have 8 sites in my Google profile, and they all show up, both in Webmaster Tools, and Yahoo Site Explorer.

Mark

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by samcarson

Can we have a discussion also on how to get the profiles indexed? I know that's not the purpose of this thread, but it will all be in one place since this thread is now more like an ebook.

I noticed that some are bookmarking the profiles so google can find them, while others are pinging them. When I click on the PageRank dropdown on the google toolbar and look under cache, I am unable to see the profile. (did this after one week since submission).

Angela - should we even bother to do this?

Thanks

I've never done anything like this, nor have I ever even tried to find the profile once it was set up. The one and only thing I watched was movement in Google. Since all the projects I've ever personally worked on are on Page One (some of them in the number one spot) it just isn't something I've spent time worrying about.

[samcarson]

Thanks Angela. You put my mind at ease

[banker0679]

i was referring to the google bookmarks or from google profile

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

I have 8 sites in my Google profile, and they all show up, both in Webmaster Tools, and Yahoo Site Explorer.

Mark

[Niche]

I as curious to find out how belgirl is doing
Would be interesting to find out how these methods have worked out for a newbie

[banker0679]

i know they are in site explorer but I manage about 1 dozen Google Profile accounts and bookmarking, and not 1 backlink shows up in Webmaster tools

show us a screen shot of the webmaster tools

thanks

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

I have 8 sites in my Google profile, and they all show up, both in Webmaster Tools, and Yahoo Site Explorer.

Mark

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by Saidar

Google's "suspicions", although they should be there, I don't think they are there. Many warriors does a few hundreds links a day and they haven't complained about any penalty. Lets hope Google stays dumb

Nothing personal, but I think your assumptions are all very subjective and opinionated with not a whole lot of logic ..??

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by banker0679

show us a screen shot of the webmaster tools

thanks

Show you a screen shot? I think not.

Are you suggesting I'm lying?

Mark

[The Expert]

NEWS FLASH!

My Site is Now #1 For My Targeted Keyword Phrase...and Then Some.

So right now I have to give credit where credit is due. Today my site went #1 for my targeted keyword phrase. We'll see if the traffic actually doubles when you go from the 2-3 spots to #1 when I pull the Analytics tomorrow morning.

Better yet...my site is now ranking #2 for a related keyword term that gets 50% more traffic than the one I was hunting down. How you like 'dem apples?

I'd have to say that what I've gotten from Angela's Backlinks is responsible for at least 50% of this success.

Did I submit the site to 1,000 Web Directories? Yes.
Did I distribute out a few articles with Article Marketer? Yes.
Did I get the site into a 3-Way Linking Program? Yes.

But all these are low-value links. It wasn't until I found Angela's Backlinks that I was able to hook high-value links to my site. .

Plenty of what I was taught in ebooks and videos said go and comment on Authority Blogs to get backlinks. That's all fine and dandy but they didn't give me a reliable way to FIND these sites where I can get a backlink that wasn't NoFollowed AND had high value.

Other tools lead you to places where you can get a DoFollow backlinks, but the site was weak and didn't transfer much (if any) weight back to mine. Still others would be authority sites, but you'd find they wree NoFollow. And NOWHERE was anyone promoting profile backlinks from High-PR sites for "trickle down" PR.

Angela's backlinks was able to put all that together for me. I'm more than happy. This resource has given me the confidence to be able to compete in any niche I choose to target.

[scottty64]

Just a quick post about Angela's back links. I started using them last week as well as Paul's back links. Before I started I was on page 9 for a search term. Over the course of the week after submitting all of the first free packet from Angela and about 60 or so from Paul my keyword went from page 9 to all over the place all week which from what I have read is normal. Any way as of today I am on page 1 in the 4th spot in google.

Does this work? So far it appears to work well and like I said only took a week from page 9 to page 1. Thanks a bunch Angela and Paul!

[banker0679]

i have asked everyone who has told me that Google Bookmarks and/or Profile links shows up in webmaster tools to show me a screenshot.....and they never reply back

i have asked this question on MANY FORUMS, and have even asked at least 50 SEOs that I know PERSONALLY..and they all said it doesn't show up

so to answer you....I sure am calling you out.

I would understand if you can't produce one....wouldnt be the first time

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

Show you a screen shot? I think not.

Are you suggesting I'm lying?

Mark

[Doug D]

Wow! 50 seo's personally. That's kool man. I don't even know 50 people personally. Will you be my friend Banker?

[banker0679]

no...you dont know SEO

Originally Posted by Doug D

Wow! 50 seo's personally. That's kool man. I don't even know 50 people personally. Will you be my friend Banker?

[Doug D]

Ya...your right. Maybe some day I will be as knowledgeable as you, and then I could be your friend. Until then, I will work diligently and listen to all that you say. Thank you so much.

[banker0679]

1st rule of becoming an SEO expert is to stop listening and start doing.

I noticed one of your posts stated that you're an expert because you been reading up on materials for over 5months, but you just broadcasted your first website that same week. (this was in may)

My advice is to put everything to the test just like Dan Theis and the other ppl at stompernet.

Also, you proclaim yourself to be a SEO Expert on WF then ask SEO noob questions on WF

Opinion Please-Best SEO Practice On Hosting My Blog

Originally Posted by Doug D

Ya...your right. Maybe some day I will be as knowledgeable as you, and then I could be your friend. Until then, I will work diligently and listen to all that you say. Thank you so much.

[banker0679]

what cracks me up is there's a lot of ppl indicating best practices because of something they read not because of something they have experienced

we can come up with a lot of reasons why Angela's are the best or why they suck...the point is that it works.

coming up with a reasons of why it wont work or why it doesnt work is insane.

to say Google's search engine has no flaws is ridiculous

to say you can't afford the first amount FOR FREE is beyond understanding

to say you can't continue the subscription at 5 per month shows you should not be in internet marketing.

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by banker0679

i have asked everyone who has told me that Google Bookmarks and/or Profile links shows up in webmaster tools to show me a screenshot.....and they never reply back

i have asked this question on MANY FORUMS, and have even asked at least 50 SEOs that I know PERSONALLY..and they all said it doesn't show up

so to answer you....I sure am calling you out.

I would understand if you can't produce one....wouldnt be the first time

Why does that not surprise me your "50 SEOs that I know PERSONALLY.." don't tell you how to do your job. And no one will give you screenshots of their Webmaster Tools screens? Another big surprise.

As for "calling me out"... well, you're learning how to win friends and influence people here, probably much the way you have with your 50 PERSONAL SEO's...

Mark

[banker0679]

nothing wrong with asking questions but you'll never learn unless you try it yourself

i have always heard and still hear that Content is king

if you ask someone how to make a great website...they'll telll you that to make great content and everyone will link to you, and that you wont need to create backlinks

i'm sure everyone here has been creating content for a long time...and can testify that w/out backlinks you're nada

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

What is wrong with asking questions? Once you stop asking questions you start to decline into the dark abyss of retardness... Asking questions and learning from others are a priority in this line of business!

And I don't believe he said he was an expert. But if you are one please share with us your exceptional knowledge I would love to hear it! Like I said, never stop learning

[banker0679]

when you are doing SEO for a living then you'll meet a lot of SEOs

i counted 50 because that's the amount of responses in emails i have received when i asked this question a month back

in my city there's at least 20 ppl i know that do SEO, and twice as many in Miami, and a lot more across the world

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

Why does that not surprise me your "50 SEOs that I know PERSONALLY.." don't tell you how to do your job. And no one will give you screenshots of their Webmaster Tools screens? Another big surprise.

As for "calling me out"... well, you're learning how to win friends and influence people here, probably much the way you have with your 50 PERSONAL SEO's...

Mark

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by samcarson

Thanks Angela. You put my mind at ease

Sam if you're concerned about that then build backlinks to your profiles. Blogger is very good for that.

[Doug D]

Skippy,
I've never stated I was an expert at anything (see self deprecating title under photo). All I can do is aspire to someday begin to even comprehend the intellectual level at which you are at. Until then, I will go back to promoting my site...whilst you spread your vast knowledge to the masses, here in the forums where us mere mortals reside, eagerly awaiting to hear from the genius of Skippy. He who knows 50 seo's personally. We can all dream, can't we?

[banker0679]

Maybe if you start having respect then ppl would be a lot more friendlier.

Judging by your other posts on other threads...it seems I'm not the only one you seem to annoy.

Go learn some SEO before you start calling anyone out.

Your assumptions on this thread has shown you know little so I would recommend that you start actually working on a handful of sites, and not think you hit the goldmine when you get an extra handful of visitors per month.

BTW I was referring to your self proclamation that you made in another thread...alongside your statement of receiving 200 unique visitors per month from a site you just started a few weeks back.

Originally Posted by Doug D

Skippy,
I've never stated I was an expert at anything (see self deprecating title under photo). All I can do is aspire to someday begin to even comprehend the intellectual level at which you are at. Until then, I will go back to promoting my site...whilst you spread your vast knowledge to the masses, here in the forums where us mere mortals reside, eagerly awaiting to hear from the genius of Skippy. He who knows 50 seo's personally. We can all dream, can't we?

[banker0679]

BTW folks

Google has normally updated Pagerank on a page every 3-4months

You can't expect them to update it almost immediately (1-2 weeks)

Just recently Google updated PR within a 5-6week period.

They will however remove the Gray bar within 1-2 weeks if you build links to the page.
The page will go from gray to white ...otherwise known as PR 0 (no value)

There are 2 ways to build PR

1. Internal linking - if the website doesnt internally link to your profile then you wont get this benefit. You will normally get this benefit from forums as you can see they have the username at the bottom of the forum. This is normally found as 'New User = Username'
If the username link is nofollowed then you're out of luck.

Best practice if the username appears at the bottom and is followed - try not to create too many usernames at once because there's usually only 1 new username at the bottom. if you create more than 1 then google willl probably only see your last username you create

2. Backlinks - if you create backlinks to the profile link or the page then the will increase from gray/PR0 to PR 1. You will need at least a PR1-2 baclink pointing to page for it to become a PR1. If your backlinks are also gray bar then it will not pass any PR juice.

this is just on PR
Google looks at other stuff besides PR...so just because the PR bar is Gray doesnt mean the link is worth nothing.

Last point - just because the page has a Pagerank doesnt mean the site will be indexed.
Also, just because it has a PR0 or GrayPR doesnt mean it WONT be indexed.

best way to find these links is finding them by the username you used.
if you use Angela as a username then you probably wont find the links
create unique usernames so you can later find it when searching for it.

[Doug D]

Skippy,
I never said 200 uniques a month either? It was a daily # for a new site. Thats cool though...that you are an internet entrepreneur, and still find the time to go through w.f. member's back posts. And to think I just wasted 800 bones on Dan Thies's L.L.) In retrospect...I clearly would have been better off giving it to you, and learning link building from you. I could have learned some valuable time management tips too.
Thanks for your insightful post on PR and backlinks.

[banker0679]

lol sorry i actually meant to say 200 per day

but really good for everyone to see that you were getting 200 UNIQUE visitors per day within weeks of LAUNCHING your site...and this was your FIRST SITE lol

Originally Posted by Doug D

Skippy,
I never said 200 uniques a month either? It was a daily # for a new site. Thats cool though...that you are an internet entrepreneur, and still find the time to go through w.f. member's back posts. And to think I just wasted 800 bones on Dan Thies's L.L.) In retrospect...I clearly would have been better off giving it to you, and learning link building from you. I could have learned some valuable time management tips too.
Thanks for your insightful post on PR and backlinks.

[Doug D]

Ya, actually it is my 1st site. 7 months ago I didn't know what a title tag was. I spent 6 months studying and working on the site. And the 200 approx. a day, was about the average at 2 months after going live. I did have a few splash pages up though, for 6-8 weeks prior to going live with the shopping cart. In truth though, even though the traffic is coming from targeted k.w.'s in the serps (mostly G.), my conversion rate sucks right now, as I haven't had time to get the G. ecommerce code set-up...so I can start making use of G. website optimizer. So, even though my average sale is approx 60-70 bones (bedding, clothes etc.), and I am making sales, sometimes several a day, sometimes none in a day, I ain't claiming any kind of substantial income at this point.
Now, can we just kiss and make up, skippy.

[banker0679]

doesnt matter dough boy

there's nobody on this forum that will believe you were getting 200 uniques per day


that means you two things

1. you picked a hot niche
2. you had to master SEO to outrank all the other listings with your website or using other resources

like i said....good one. it was a good laugh for the night

btw i did read your posts, and your story doesnt add up.

what else is new? someone bragging over the net, and can't prove diddly

[Doug D]

Skippy,
I'm not a professional seo like yourself. I'm just a guy with an ecommerce store. I'm just here to learn some stuff, thats all. You brought up the 200 thing (incorrectly) that I had referenced in another post where I may or may not have been asking a question? I do ask questions here from time to time, as I don't proclaim to be proficient in a lot seo areas. I have 0 interest in impressing anybody online-- It just aint my style. And actually, It wouldn't even have occured to me that 200 was some big traffic #, especially with a 1% conversion rate...which I freely admit...and as far as I know it should be 3 or 4% if I was doing things right?

I tried to make peace in my own comedic way, but it seems you have some anger issues, and a belief that everone on the w.f. is here to impress others and fabricate #'s, as in your accusation with internetmarketer99.
So, I will let you get back to your work, and I will get back to mine. You did make my day though. I guess by *skippy* definition, I am a "master seo". It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Good day my friend.

[slvrsrfr]

Originally Posted by The Expert

Why is everyone so focused on putting up articles on article sites, getting them to rank well, and then driving the traffic to an affiliate offer?

Wouldn't it make better sense to build your own site around the targeted keyword and work on promoting that?

I put up articles myself, but it's really just to get backlinks to my sites...which is what I truely want to show up #1 when someone searches for my keyword phrase.

You have more control when they are on YOUR site.

i agree, and that's exactly the approach i'm taking, but this approach could take longer. who knows? but i'm building a long term business of my own real estate.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Niche

I as curious to find out how belgirl is doing
Would be interesting to find out how these methods have worked out for a newbie

Nada. Nothing. I was on page 4 when I had links pointing to the affiliate link, but then I changed them all to point to the actual article and added more. I don't even register now.

[banker0679]

changing backlinks can have a detrimental effect
Google crawls the page and finds a link...it comes back and finds another.
looks suspcious
either way it may take a couple of weeks for you to see the difference and that's if Google recrawls the page



you should create new ones from the same places to the article
the new ones will look fresh

Originally Posted by belgirl

Nada. Nothing. I was on page 4 when I had links pointing to the affiliate link, but then I changed them all to point to the actual article and added more. I don't even register now.

[AlbertF]

This thread has gone a bit out of hands and disastrous. Everyone is just trying to get by and there is no need to be attacking each other.

My only advice in terms of link building is to build at a pace that you can keep providing periodically whether it be whitehat or B-hat. Yes, I even said B-hat.

Google can't separate which links are automated or which is not not, they can only tell by quantity. Personally, I find B-hat links useless and just takes up "space," rendering having those links in the first place useless anyways if they don't help because they are low quality.

I mention B-hat because I know some people are wary of B-hat and might have the wrong antipiciation of it.

When you start your site, you've got to make a decision whether or not it is for short term or for long term. Once you have decided, that will effect how you will be treating your website in terms of SEO-ing

The earliest stages of your site's first official launch is the most vital and if you start building links from the day it was launched and those links gets indexed, and Google sees that you've got tons of links already, suspicion will grow.

QUANTITY DOES MATTER in the early stages, unless you've got an excuse like being a multimillionaire company like Microsoft, your no different from me or you trying to rank well in the search engines.

I would say, let your articles/new launched sites to just stay put for the first week with no link building, and then slowly build up like a staircase. Once you pass that first initial month without getting into any sort of trouble, or penalization, just build links however you like. The more your page ages, the less likely that it will be penalized for having "too" much backlinks and or being slapped for no apparant reason. Give Google no excuse to slap you back down the ranks. After the first month, it still doesn't hurt to be discrete and build links in a staircase model. The more natural looking, the better I would say.

There is no short cut to optimizing a new site. You have to take baby steps and grow slowly, and after that initial few months passes, things just lift off and you should start seeing results. How you find those quality links to get ranked higher is all up to you.

The only thing I would be concerned about is getting backlinks from a whole lot of high PR root pages, in this case, Angela's links, is using them all at once. You remember how Google indexes pages from the pages with the highest PR to the lowest? You may see a problem there if you used all the links in one go.

Well you can say, my site is new and I used the packages all in one go and didn't get slapped. I would say it is probably because of pure luck and those backlinks didn't get indexed as fast as maybe other webmasters using those links in one go. Personally, I'll say, don't take the risk, just take your time. Your brand new site is fragile in the rankings in the first months until you gain more "trust."

My only advice when using Angela's links with a new site/page is to spread it out, or build up like a staircase slowly. That is probably why belgirl's article is being penalized. If your in this situation, you have two options. You can either publish a new article and start over, or live with the penalization for a month while it clears out and just start building up backlinks like a staircase.

[Jon Steel]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

What you said sounds all good to me, it makes a lot of sense to me, BUT most experienced marketers on this forum says otherwise.

I myself have built about 150 Angela and Paul's links within a week, and I'm having a lot of success at the moment. Because many of those links are profile links, they will take several days or even weeks to get indexed. All 150 links of mine did not get indexed within a week, I'm sure of it.

So it's ok to build many links at once, no human can possibly build enough links manually to set off any spam alarm, those are meant for link building software that gets thousands of links in a day.

At least what I said is from my experience, don't know if you experienced the same. Did you ever get penalized by Google?

True - even if you do them all at the same time, google starts higher PRs then works its way down. They wont get viewed at the same time...

[AlbertF]

@Franco, did you read the entire post? Is your site new? If not, then of course you might have a different reaction than other sites that just launched who build links all in one go.

You don't have to follow everything I have to say, but just be conscious is all I have to say. Maybe you are that close away from picking the wrong straw with Google in your early launches? Who knows.

[AndyBlackSEO]

I'm in the process of using Angelas links for a local 'geographic' keyword phrase. I done about 16 profiles on Saturday and a few today. I'll do the full 30 and see if there is any movement. There is no movement as of yet although it has only been about 48 hours.

Have anyone used the links for local searches, ie - keyword TOWN? If so, what results did you get?

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by banker0679

changing backlinks can have a detrimental effect
Google crawls the page and finds a link...it comes back and finds another.
looks suspcious
either way it may take a couple of weeks for you to see the difference and that's if Google recrawls the page



you should create new ones from the same places to the article
the new ones will look fresh

Yeah, I figured as much. I have started building new backlinks to the article...we shall see how it goes...I haven't given up yet!