The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Ursa Anzur]

Hi Guys!

Sorry that I haven't updated my progress, but unfortunately I have been very busy with other projects.

Like I wrote in my first post, I have written a few articles but then I really built backlinks just for one. It's still on number 3 after about a month. Today I received a $100 commission just from this article. I had about 300 clicks on the affiliate link in June and 99 clicks in these 6 days.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

I'm in the process of using Angelas links for a local 'geographic' keyword phrase. I done about 16 profiles on Saturday and a few today. I'll do the full 30 and see if there is any movement. There is no movement as of yet although it has only been about 48 hours.

Have anyone used the links for local searches, ie - keyword TOWN? If so, what results did you get?

I did a localized keyword for my doctor's website. Because I am in a small town, the keyword was actually the COUNTY, but it's the same idea. I did an entire packet of links for him one night and then went to bed. When I got up the next morning, he was in the number ONE spot for two variations of this keyword. It's been about six months and he is still in the number one spot for his keywords.

[Adriana Copaceanu]

There is no question that Angela's link packets work: I am a little late to this thread here, but found it last week and after reading every post on it (probably about 2 hours reading), I signed up for her links.

I used 10 links form the July packet on Thursday night for a page on a 5 year old site, and today I am on page 1, hovering between #6 and #7 for my chosen key phrase, which is a "buying" key phrase (I've been doing PPC for several years). Yesterday, I got 4 sales (haven't gotten that many sales in one day since last year), and I am almost certain it's because of these new links.

Now here is a little bit of background: I've been acquiring links for this site for the past couple of years through article marketing, UAW, Linkvana, blog commenting, and more, so my link profile for the site, as well as the specific page I targeted now is very diverse.

I am going to do 10 more links tonight , for another key phrase on the same site. I am currently sitting at #38 for the plural of my key phrase (a specific page), and not in the first 15 pages for the singular of my key phrase.

I am going to link to the singular because there are a lot more searches per month: 90K, as opposed to 18K for the singular phrase. I will check back in here in about a week wiht an update.

As for whoever said that unless the links stick for 2 years it's not worth it, I have to disagree with that. It only took me about 1 hour to create the 10 profiles, and I made over $200 in commissions. I am happy with that. I'll do that over and over again for that kind of return.

[AndyBlackSEO]

Angela, that local phrase I mentioned in my post above.... No.2 already. Not bad for just over 48 hours :-)

[gavin6]

I think there are a lot of people talking and thinking about stuff rather than just doing it. For goodness sake this works.

I have built about 150 links to a keyword that has 25,000,000 competing sites google only registers about 15 links to that site.

I'm at number 3 for that keyword. If you use some basic seo with this you can easily dominate.

Basic SEO i all i do is use wordpress create a URL with the keyword in it, use the allinone seo plugin and then ensure the keyword is in the meta description and meta tags.

it's working fine, I have one site where i have not done that for because I cant access it at the moment, I've built the links but it si not ranking yet.

I am keen to see how it changes when i can access the site ad do my basic seo on it.

Rock on Angela and Paul.

Gav

[Terry Kyle]

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by djbory

'Great Tip' That's what I've been doing, eventhough it takes me about 5-10 more minutes to complete each profile page... I use same articles I post in ezine and go articles after a little bit of spining.

I try to brake the article into to small post. In the first post I link to my articles and in the second post I link to my website and to other profiles where I have left backlinks before.

That way Google finds my backlinks faster, the profile looks real, I add some value to the site and get my links to many places... all at once and it has worked very nice for me so far... Just a small tip...

DJBory...

Its always a smart strategy to make a big web of all your profiles together. SEOs do this all the time to help clients protect their brand. So for example set up a profile at 7-10 social sites and link them all together using your keywords and linking to your main site as well. In the case a companys brand name, you would just use your companys name as your keyword and create profiles linking them all together and linking back to the main site. If done correctly- when someone searches for that companys name you should dominate the first page of google thus allowing you to protect your brand name and and prevent your competitors from saying nasty things about you. I would imagine if you start linking your profile pages together so that it could be easily followed around like a big circle - all linking back to your main site would probably have a much bigger impact on the search engines. I could be wrong though. Ive got the last few months of back link packets so I will give this a go and see how it turns out.

[emakina]

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

[banker0679]

check the source code

i believe migente is under an image so the link cannot appear since google can't read images

i had this discussion with Angela..and i believe she's already looked into that

Originally Posted by emakina

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

The old packets work just fine. Again, it's only one or two sites in most packets that have removed the capability to get links or have made links No Follow. I have used the older packets recently and I have a pretty good list of "power sites" built from ALL my packets of the strongest and best sites for backlinks. I use this list when I have new projects that I want to get to the top quickly.

How would someone go about making this power list like you mentioned. I have the last few months of packets but havent started backlinking yet for a couple projects ive been working on. So if I were to go and start from the beginning do you have a system you would recommend to make that power list? Thanks

[axleman]

Comments in bold

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

I think you need to use your judgement according to each site. You want to fly in under the radar, as far as the webmasters are concerned. Take the time to fill out the profiles as completely as possible. Personally, I would keep the number of links very limited at first. As you go thru the packets you will get a feel for the sites you are likely to be able to add more links to later on. Remember, the number of links on a site won't matter a bit if people abuse the site and the admin deletes accounts, removes html or makes links nofollow

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

I think it would be smarter to set up separate accounts for each site you are promoting (doing it at different times). This is much more tedious of course, but I think the payoffs will be better in the long run and if a moderator shuts down one account, they may not catch the other(s). Safety in numbers I guess. Again, just be smart about it.

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

I started doing that with mine. As I finish a profile, I bookmark it to my favorite dofollow site, then ping it with ping-o-matic. The bookmarking site I use has an RSS feed as well for even more goodness. I don't know if it helps or not, but it only takes a few seconds and surely it can't hurt.

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Should be OK as long as they are pointing to different pages on your site. Just keep in mind the site you are on. Some will be more tolerant of multiple links than others.

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

Angela, that local phrase I mentioned in my post above.... No.2 already. Not bad for just over 48 hours :-)

That's excellent, Andy. These backlinks are perfect for "offline" work as even in the big cities, the competition is smaller than it is for some niches online. Not only that, but offline businesses pay BIG BUCKS for this, too. I often recommend that people do this sort of work for local businesses.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by giftsolution

There is no question that Angela's link packets work: I am a little late to this thread here, but found it last week and after reading every post on it (probably about 2 hours reading), I signed up for her links.

I used 10 links form the July packet on Thursday night for a page on a 5 year old site, and today I am on page 1, hovering between #6 and #7 for my chosen key phrase, which is a "buying" key phrase (I've been doing PPC for several years). Yesterday, I got 4 sales (haven't gotten that many sales in one day since last year), and I am almost certain it's because of these new links.

Now here is a little bit of background: I've been acquiring links for this site for the past couple of years through article marketing, UAW, Linkvana, blog commenting, and more, so my link profile for the site, as well as the specific page I targeted now is very diverse.

I am going to do 10 more links tonight , for another key phrase on the same site. I am currently sitting at #38 for the plural of my key phrase (a specific page), and not in the first 15 pages for the singular of my key phrase.

I am going to link to the singular because there are a lot more searches per month: 90K, as opposed to 18K for the singular phrase. I will check back in here in about a week wiht an update.

As for whoever said that unless the links stick for 2 years it's not worth it, I have to disagree with that. It only took me about 1 hour to create the 10 profiles, and I made over $200 in commissions. I am happy with that. I'll do that over and over again for that kind of return.

Thank you for this feedback. I agree that if you made that much in commissions, the links are great, even if they aren't there for 2 years.

My own links, however, are still there. If they were disappearing or being deleted by the websites, I'd be losing my position in Google. So would my doctor who has been number 1 for six months. So would my friend, who has been number one for over a month. Obviously, most of the links are still good.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

Thank you for your kind words. I have never gone by any "limit" of links per page and all of mine have seemed to work well. I've actually gone by what looks okay on each site.

I have never pinged or bookmarked my links, nor have I ever tried to find them in the index. The ONLY thing I do is check for movement in the Google index and I have never one time been disappointed.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Best Affiliate

How would someone go about making this power list like you mentioned. I have the last few months of packets but havent started backlinking yet for a couple projects ive been working on. So if I were to go and start from the beginning do you have a system you would recommend to make that power list? Thanks

I made my list by taking the highest Page Rank sites from each packet. I now have a little bit of an "extended power list" that I will be using for outsourcers that contains some Page Rank 7, 8, and 9 sites that I cannot put into my packets due to the abuse of such sites.

[schnisz]

I am a subscriber of the packets but I have a question about onsite optimization of the site. Taking the Adobe example of how they rank for "click here" and have not optimized their site, how important is this and which techniques are suggested? In a site I have, changing the url to the keyword is not an option. Should the keyword appear on the first page? If so at what density? Thanks Angela!

Brian

[banker0679]

if you can't have the keywords in the anchor text then it's going to be really hard to rank

you should have it in your title tags
if you can't have it there then you're almost toast!

put it once or twice in the content of the page, and make sure to bold it

Originally Posted by schnisz

I am a subscriber of the packets but I have a question about onsite optimization of the site. Taking the Adobe example of how they rank for "click here" and have not optimized their site, how important is this and which techniques are suggested? In a site I have, changing the url to the keyword is not an option. Should the keyword appear on the first page? If so at what density? Thanks Angela!

Brian

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by banker0679

if you can't have the keywords in the anchor text then it's going to be really hard to rank

you should have it in your title tags
if you can't have it there then you're almost toast!

put it once or twice in the content of the page, and make sure to bold it

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

[axleman]

Well, I think that depends on how competitive the keywords are.

[schnisz]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by schnisz

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

Having the keyword in the URL will HELP your SEO a little bit, but it's not the most important thing. You CAN rank without the keyword in your URL. The deal is, the more your keyword is "in evidence", the more often people will click through to your site.

Here is the "broad search" results for the keyword New York, which has 972 MILLION results. You can see how many of the top results actually have the words New York in their URL; most of them DON'T. Most of them have NY or NYC, but not New York, which is the actual search term.

[banker0679]

he said he can't use the keyword in the URL backlink or the title tag

please show me a site that ranks for a 'decent' keyterm that DOES NOT have the keyword in the anchor text backlinks or the title tag?

exact match are not common as most ppl think

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

[banker0679]

that will be keyword in the domain

keyword in the URL is more like

domainname.com/new-york/

keyword in the Domain is
newyork.com

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Having the keyword in the URL will HELP your SEO a little bit, but it's not the most important thing. You CAN rank without the keyword in your URL. The deal is, the more your keyword is "in evidence", the more often people will click through to your site.

Here is the "broad search" results for the keyword New York, which has 972 MILLION results. You can see how many of the top results actually have the words New York in their URL; most of them DON'T. Most of them have NY or NYC, but not New York, which is the actual search term.

[emakina]

Originally Posted by emakina

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

bumping this for angela

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by schnisz

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

It can help, but it's not the most important thing. Your site CAN rank without your keyword in the URL. Take a look at this search. This is the top results for the search term New York, which has 972 MILLION resulting sites, "broad search". You will notice that most of the top sites do NOT have the word New York in the URL; most of them have NY or some variation of that:



What you want is enough of your keywords sprinkled in your Title Tag and Meta Description so that the searchers will click through to your site.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by emakina

bumping this for angela

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

[banker0679]

ok sorry

he was talking about anchor text "click here" with adobe so i thought he was talking about the anchor text

now i see that he may have been speaking of the actual page url not the backlink with anchor text

[banker0679]

exactly

i did half packet today for a new site

i did it on one of the subpages only
i did the site:domain.com command and only the subpage is showing up...not even the homepage!

only took a few hours (15hours)

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Sorry about the double post. Firefox has been LOVING to crash, lately. Anybody have a clue what could be causing that??

[emakina]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

so you don't pay attention to whether the profiles get indexed or not?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by emakina

so you don't pay attention to whether the profiles get indexed or not?

No. I only watch movement in Google and I have never looked for the indexing of any of the profiles.

[mistermickster]

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by mistermickster

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

Don't put your eggs all in one basket. End of story.

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by slvrsrfr

i agree, and that's exactly the approach i'm taking, but this approach could take longer. who knows? but i'm building a long term business of my own real estate.

That's because this is part of Angela's method -- we're here in this thread to TEST the method, not to CRITICISE it. Before you can criticise you need to know what works and what doesn't.

Very briefly, what she recommends doing is:

(a) make a site or just use an affiliate landing page provided by the merchant
(b) write an article, post it on goarticles, and in the resource box point at your site or the affiliate landing page
(c) use the sites mentioned in Angela's packets to create links to the goarticles article

We're here to test her method. Let's see if it works. So far the evidence is very strong that it does work. That's all we are here to accomplish. Let's use other threads to discuss improvements to her method or why her method is stupid or the best thing since sliced bread.

SHEESH!

[Yusuf]

I have a question about outranking existing articles that have low backlinks.

As a completely random example, if I type site:ezinearticles.com intitle:"how to learn chinese" I find 35 articles and the #1 ranking is the only one with backlinks and it only has 1 backlink.

My question: Does this mean that if I write an article around this keyword phrase (how to learn chinese), and build backlinks for the article then I have a high possibility of outranking the other 35 articles since they have no backlinks? How does Google determine which of these 35 articles to show in the search results since, from my understanding, they will only show 2 results max?

I'm not concerned about ranking for this phrase itself on its own when just searching for "how to learn chinese" because this is just an example. I'm just wondering about how to outrank the existing 35 articles on ezinearticles.com. I have a full list of keywords that I think I can easily rank for on the search results and some of them have existing articles at ezinearticles.com so I am wondering how hard it will be to outrank them.

I did skim through the 800+ posts in this thread to see if someone else asked it, so I apologize if I happened to miss the answer to this question. Thanks in advanced.

[4morereferrals]

Sorry Joe118,

Youre not the thread GOd here - we'll discuss all sorts of things we'd like to as they relate to the topic of backlinking using Angelas links and other variations thereof.

If others have a different or more effective approach, or other $.02 on a similar issue as this topical thread - so be it.

Besides this has - as usual, morphed into a advert for 2 current WSO's

Go with the flo.

Originally Posted by Joe118

That's because this is part of Angela's method -- we're here in this thread to TEST the method, not to CRITICISE it. Before you can criticise you need to know what works and what doesn't.

Very briefly, what she recommends doing is:

(a) make a site or just use an affiliate landing page provided by the merchant
(b) write an article, post it on goarticles, and in the resource box point at your site or the affiliate landing page
(c) use the sites mentioned in Angela's packets to create links to the goarticles article

We're here to test her method. Let's see if it works. So far the evidence is very strong that it does work. That's all we are here to accomplish. Let's use other threads to discuss improvements to her method or why her method is stupid or the best thing since sliced bread.

SHEESH!

[4morereferrals]

A lot of folks write under Pen Names - not their own.

Originally Posted by mistermickster

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

[4morereferrals]

Why not just go thru the extra effort to rank your own site? Use the articles to deliver high PR backlinks to your $$$ page and the home page.

My test results in this very thread indicate it is not very difficult to outrank an article. Right now a blog post I did on a site I use for good - fast indexed backlink generation is ranking Page 1 #5 ... it bounces from #4-#15 at any given time ... it has ZERO backlinks to it... at least none created by me. It was created AS A BACKLINK to Panic Attack Heart Symptoms Blog [ which is languishing right now ] Google seems to be hating on this test blog ... baffling.

For some reason this is a very funky term ...

goarticle is in #10 spot and looking at its links in yahoo - indicates it to have 20 links - several I recall from Angelas March 2009 packs.

One of my other sites has 4 targeted EZA articles I did for it ... been online for a while ... I link to the $$$ site and the articles at about 3:1 ... 3 to the $ site and 1 to an article. For every link my eza gets - the $$$ site gets 3. My $$$ site outranks the EZA articles by 2 pages in broad search [ no quotes ] This site is a PR2 ... its on Page #1 position 8 ... now. Pretty competitive term in that ... when you search in quotes and without - the 1st page yields same results / positions. The point ... you get a pretty serious FRESHNESS boost off the Article Dir's - but it appears from my testing - [ tho limited ] its about as much work to KEEP an article up top - as it is a site/blog. Belgirls experience seems to be bearing that out as well.

If you have enough places and the tech to drop links to do both an article AND your $$$ site then sure go WFO on both and let the article ride the QDF factor as long as it gets it ... but be building links to the main site where your target audience can take buying action steps.

Hopefully you will get your main page/site on page 1 at the top and your articles right below ...

Not a fan of GoArticles now either since they started infecting the articles with THEIR own keyword links and possibly leading your targeted prospect to their affiliate links.

Kinda partial to the idea of being able to make a article - fill it with the links I want and where and post it "frequently" ... and laughing when some random goofy PR3 site's blog post kicks eza and goarticles arse ... :-)

Originally Posted by Yusuf

I have a question about outranking existing articles that have low backlinks.

As a completely random example, if I type site:ezinearticles.com intitle:"how to learn chinese" I find 35 articles and the #1 ranking is the only one with backlinks and it only has 1 backlink.

My question: Does this mean that if I write an article around this keyword phrase (how to learn chinese), and build backlinks for the article then I have a high possibility of outranking the other 35 articles since they have no backlinks? How does Google determine which of these 35 articles to show in the search results since, from my understanding, they will only show 2 results max?

I'm not concerned about ranking for this phrase itself on its own when just searching for "how to learn chinese" because this is just an example. I'm just wondering about how to outrank the existing 35 articles on ezinearticles.com. I have a full list of keywords that I think I can easily rank for on the search results and some of them have existing articles at ezinearticles.com so I am wondering how hard it will be to outrank them.

I did skim through the 800+ posts in this thread to see if someone else asked it, so I apologize if I happened to miss the answer to this question. Thanks in advanced.

[AlbertF]

If your really serious about Internet Marketing, either way, your going to need your own website or you will keep on starting from scratch with article sites.

Just take the time to dedicate on a site that you will be publishing articles from. It looks better as well as pay in the end.

[nobluff]

Ive got something to add:

Added a goarticle on the 28th of June.

Keyword without quotes - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,200,000 (numbers rounded)
Keyword in quotes - Results 1 - 10 of about 150,000 (numbers rounded)

I am currently at no 10 (1st page), the article is sitting at 60 requests right now, I think this is the amount of times someone reads article? Anyway, I will update this number to see if there is any movement.

I have done about 40 links in total, plus some other links (few blog comments and social links).

[FredJones]

Yeah, I am actually trying Angela's using a GoArticle as well as my own website - none of them are doing badly. Both keep within #5-#15 - need more backlniks to be consistently in top-10 and break top-3 I suppose - but fundamentally hte basic Google principle of backlinks is still working. This takes us back to ABC of PR.

[Shane F]

Since we are adding stats here:

I have two Ezine articles ranked #1 and #2.

Competition NO quotes 1,750,000
Competition WITH quotes "354,000"

I have put over 200 backlinks on each of these with combination of Angela's and Pauls packets. They have been at the top for over two weeks now and I hope they stay there.

I have most every other keyword article in striking distance but for some reason only this keyword has responded really well to the backlinks. I haven't tested Goarticles yet. Only because Ezine always gives me 1st page presence organically for a week or so and decent traffic, so I am scared to switch until I see some testing from others haha.

I also backlink every article and web site in a rotation wheel. Working 2 hours a day just on backlinking I average 40 sites a day.

Thanks, Shane

[Saidar]

Ok people,

I used Paul's backlinks yesterday, and today I received an email from to owner of urbis.com,

Here is the email:

Dear Spammer,

You have just spammed my site, Urbis.com, by creating a profile with the purposes of creating backlinks to your site.

I am taking the following actions:
1. I am reporting you to the Federal Trade Commission. What you are doing is illegal. Read the law here: FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING
2. I am reporting you to Google, which means you will be much lower in the search rankings. Google punishes link spammers.
3. If your profile spam continues, I will file a civil lawsuit against you.

-Steve



I know Google will ignore their report as I'm sure they get thousands every day, but is it really illegal? I don't understand that "law"

[traceye]

Originally Posted by Saidar

Ok people,

I used Paul's backlinks yesterday, and today I received an email from to owner of urbis.com,

Here is the email:

Dear Spammer,

You have just spammed my site, Urbis.com, by creating a profile with the purposes of creating backlinks to your site.

I am taking the following actions:
1. I am reporting you to the Federal Trade Commission. What you are doing is illegal. Read the law here: FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING
2. I am reporting you to Google, which means you will be much lower in the search rankings. Google punishes link spammers.
3. If your profile spam continues, I will file a civil lawsuit against you.

-Steve

I know Google will ignore their report as I'm sure they get thousands every day, but is it really illegal? I don't understand that "law"

Hi Steve,

I got the same email, but I just laughed.

Report me for what? Leaving a link on my own profile page on their site? If that's the worst thing I did then Google will laugh in their face.

I wouldn't worry too much, I doubt they even really reported anyone - it's just a threat.

And as for the FTC law they quoted, that has to do with bloggers writing fake reviews and receiving payment in return. Hardly the same as leaving a link or two on a profile page.

Ignore the threat and move on. You'll be fine.

Tracey

[pj413]

Originally Posted by Saidar

Ok people,

I used Paul's backlinks yesterday, and today I received an email from to owner of urbis.com,

Here is the email:

Dear Spammer,

You have just spammed my site, Urbis.com, by creating a profile with the purposes of creating backlinks to your site.

I am taking the following actions:
1. I am reporting you to the Federal Trade Commission. What you are doing is illegal. Read the law here: FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING
2. I am reporting you to Google, which means you will be much lower in the search rankings. Google punishes link spammers.
3. If your profile spam continues, I will file a civil lawsuit against you.

-Steve



I know Google will ignore their report as I'm sure they get thousands every day, but is it really illegal? I don't understand that "law"

First of all, that FTC rule about "endorsements" goes for HIM, not for you. If he doesn't want "advertisements" on his site, then he is free to remove them. You are not breaking the law by simply putting a link on a website. Not to mention that trying to tie a simple backlink as a violation of the FTC "endorsement" statute is REALLY pushing it. I don't think ANY court in the country would see a simple backlink as a violation of the FTC's "endorsement statute". The website itself would be the one in violation of this statute if it allowed illegal "endorsements", not a person leaving a backlink. And in order to violate the FTC's statute, you'd actually have to appear to be endorsing something that is not valid, not simply leaving a link to your website in your profile. You can read the FTC's definitions of such "endorsements" here.

This is just a scare tactic. How is putting a link on a site illegal? What law does it break? It doesn't; not even the FTC's "endorsement statute". They are just trying to scare you and are pointing to a law that has NOTHING to do with backlinks to "prove their point". Backlinks are the lifeblood of the Search Engines, and putting links on websites is not illegal, nor is it unethical. It's not like you are trying to disguise the links on the site or anything. What would they "report" you for, and what would the FBI do to you? Have you broken any laws? Of course not!

There are some sites who don't like links and have even created a "list" of people who have tried to leave a link on their system. A few other sites might pay attention to such a 'list'. However, it means absolutely nothing to Google or any other search engine. If it did, wouldn't you think that competitors would be getting the competition "blacklisted" all over the Internet? Of COURSE they would. If that sort of thing really mattered, all you'd have is mayhem instead of a search engine. Google knows that and they are NOT going to let something like this ruin their BILLION dollar business.

How do you think the "Big Name" companies get their sites to the top of Google? Anyone who thinks it's just because of their "Great Content" is seriously naive. They are all getting backlinks, too. They have SEO people who work FULL TIME, making sure their sites get and stay at the top and their job does not ONLY consist of fixing up the company's website for SEO purposes. Backlinks are the "name of the game" and just because a site doesn't like it doesn't mean that you have done ANYTHING illegal.

[mdzarate]

Originally Posted by Kurt

So all we have to do is submit our competitor's links to directories?

LOL! that is what I was thinking. Of course not! google may not count those links but will not penalize you for submitting to directories or as you stated all we would need is to submit our competitor's sites to directories and other link farm places....

[Doug D]

I emailed him back and told him, if you email me again...I'm coming to your house, I'm gonna knock your wife's teeth out, eat your dog, and make you my bitch!

What? should I not have done that? Seemed like a reasonable reply to me?

muuhaha........just kidding guys, woulda been funny though.

[mdzarate]

Angela,

I am a customer of your packets but do not remember getting this article technique, where do I get it from?

Thanks.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Sending you a PM, mdzarate.

[Pat Jackson]

Did anyone email him back letting him him know how ridiculous he sounds and stating all the facts that Pj just posted? haha