The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Doug D]

Ya, actually it is my 1st site. 7 months ago I didn't know what a title tag was. I spent 6 months studying and working on the site. And the 200 approx. a day, was about the average at 2 months after going live. I did have a few splash pages up though, for 6-8 weeks prior to going live with the shopping cart. In truth though, even though the traffic is coming from targeted k.w.'s in the serps (mostly G.), my conversion rate sucks right now, as I haven't had time to get the G. ecommerce code set-up...so I can start making use of G. website optimizer. So, even though my average sale is approx 60-70 bones (bedding, clothes etc.), and I am making sales, sometimes several a day, sometimes none in a day, I ain't claiming any kind of substantial income at this point.
Now, can we just kiss and make up, skippy.

[banker0679]

doesnt matter dough boy

there's nobody on this forum that will believe you were getting 200 uniques per day


that means you two things

1. you picked a hot niche
2. you had to master SEO to outrank all the other listings with your website or using other resources

like i said....good one. it was a good laugh for the night

btw i did read your posts, and your story doesnt add up.

what else is new? someone bragging over the net, and can't prove diddly

[Doug D]

Skippy,
I'm not a professional seo like yourself. I'm just a guy with an ecommerce store. I'm just here to learn some stuff, thats all. You brought up the 200 thing (incorrectly) that I had referenced in another post where I may or may not have been asking a question? I do ask questions here from time to time, as I don't proclaim to be proficient in a lot seo areas. I have 0 interest in impressing anybody online-- It just aint my style. And actually, It wouldn't even have occured to me that 200 was some big traffic #, especially with a 1% conversion rate...which I freely admit...and as far as I know it should be 3 or 4% if I was doing things right?

I tried to make peace in my own comedic way, but it seems you have some anger issues, and a belief that everone on the w.f. is here to impress others and fabricate #'s, as in your accusation with internetmarketer99.
So, I will let you get back to your work, and I will get back to mine. You did make my day though. I guess by *skippy* definition, I am a "master seo". It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Good day my friend.

[slvrsrfr]

Originally Posted by The Expert

Why is everyone so focused on putting up articles on article sites, getting them to rank well, and then driving the traffic to an affiliate offer?

Wouldn't it make better sense to build your own site around the targeted keyword and work on promoting that?

I put up articles myself, but it's really just to get backlinks to my sites...which is what I truely want to show up #1 when someone searches for my keyword phrase.

You have more control when they are on YOUR site.

i agree, and that's exactly the approach i'm taking, but this approach could take longer. who knows? but i'm building a long term business of my own real estate.

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Niche

I as curious to find out how belgirl is doing
Would be interesting to find out how these methods have worked out for a newbie

Nada. Nothing. I was on page 4 when I had links pointing to the affiliate link, but then I changed them all to point to the actual article and added more. I don't even register now.

[banker0679]

changing backlinks can have a detrimental effect
Google crawls the page and finds a link...it comes back and finds another.
looks suspcious
either way it may take a couple of weeks for you to see the difference and that's if Google recrawls the page



you should create new ones from the same places to the article
the new ones will look fresh

Originally Posted by belgirl

Nada. Nothing. I was on page 4 when I had links pointing to the affiliate link, but then I changed them all to point to the actual article and added more. I don't even register now.

[AlbertF]

This thread has gone a bit out of hands and disastrous. Everyone is just trying to get by and there is no need to be attacking each other.

My only advice in terms of link building is to build at a pace that you can keep providing periodically whether it be whitehat or B-hat. Yes, I even said B-hat.

Google can't separate which links are automated or which is not not, they can only tell by quantity. Personally, I find B-hat links useless and just takes up "space," rendering having those links in the first place useless anyways if they don't help because they are low quality.

I mention B-hat because I know some people are wary of B-hat and might have the wrong antipiciation of it.

When you start your site, you've got to make a decision whether or not it is for short term or for long term. Once you have decided, that will effect how you will be treating your website in terms of SEO-ing

The earliest stages of your site's first official launch is the most vital and if you start building links from the day it was launched and those links gets indexed, and Google sees that you've got tons of links already, suspicion will grow.

QUANTITY DOES MATTER in the early stages, unless you've got an excuse like being a multimillionaire company like Microsoft, your no different from me or you trying to rank well in the search engines.

I would say, let your articles/new launched sites to just stay put for the first week with no link building, and then slowly build up like a staircase. Once you pass that first initial month without getting into any sort of trouble, or penalization, just build links however you like. The more your page ages, the less likely that it will be penalized for having "too" much backlinks and or being slapped for no apparant reason. Give Google no excuse to slap you back down the ranks. After the first month, it still doesn't hurt to be discrete and build links in a staircase model. The more natural looking, the better I would say.

There is no short cut to optimizing a new site. You have to take baby steps and grow slowly, and after that initial few months passes, things just lift off and you should start seeing results. How you find those quality links to get ranked higher is all up to you.

The only thing I would be concerned about is getting backlinks from a whole lot of high PR root pages, in this case, Angela's links, is using them all at once. You remember how Google indexes pages from the pages with the highest PR to the lowest? You may see a problem there if you used all the links in one go.

Well you can say, my site is new and I used the packages all in one go and didn't get slapped. I would say it is probably because of pure luck and those backlinks didn't get indexed as fast as maybe other webmasters using those links in one go. Personally, I'll say, don't take the risk, just take your time. Your brand new site is fragile in the rankings in the first months until you gain more "trust."

My only advice when using Angela's links with a new site/page is to spread it out, or build up like a staircase slowly. That is probably why belgirl's article is being penalized. If your in this situation, you have two options. You can either publish a new article and start over, or live with the penalization for a month while it clears out and just start building up backlinks like a staircase.

[Franco Mocke]

Originally Posted by AlbertF

This thread has gone a bit out of hands and disastrous. Everyone is just trying to get by and there is no need to be attacking each other.

My only advice in terms of link building is to build at a pace that you can keep providing periodically whether it be whitehat or B-hat. Yes, I even said B-hat.

Google can't separate which links are automated or which is not not, they can only tell by quantity. Personally, I find B-hat links useless and just takes up "space," rendering having those links in the first place useless anyways if they don't help because they are low quality.

I mention B-hat because I know some people are wary of B-hat and might have the wrong antipiciation of it.

When you start your site, you've got to make a decision whether or not it is for short term or for long term. Once you have decided, that will effect how you will be treating your website in terms of SEO-ing

The earliest stages of your site's first official launch is the most vital and if you start building links from the day it was launched and those links gets indexed, and Google sees that you've got tons of links already, suspicion will grow.

QUANTITY DOES MATTER in the early stages, unless you've got an excuse like being a multimillionaire company like Microsoft, your no different from me or you trying to rank well in the search engines.

I would say, let your articles/new launched sites to just stay put for the first week with no link building, and then slowly build up like a staircase. Once you pass that first initial month without getting into any sort of trouble, or penalization, just build links however you like. The more your page ages, the less likely that it will be penalized for having "too" much backlinks and or being slapped for no apparant reason. Give Google no excuse to slap you back down the ranks. After the first month, it still doesn't hurt to be discrete and build links in a staircase model. The more natural looking, the better I would say.

There is no short cut to optimizing a new site. You have to take baby steps and grow slowly, and after that initial few months passes, things just lift off and you should start seeing results. How you find those quality links to get ranked higher is all up to you.

The only thing I would be concerned about is getting backlinks from a whole lot of high PR root pages, in this case, Angela's links, is using them all at once. You remember how Google indexes pages from the pages with the highest PR to the lowest? You may see a problem there if you used all the links in one go.

Well you can say, my site is new and I used the packages all in one go and didn't get slapped. I would say it is probably because of pure luck and those backlinks didn't get indexed as fast as maybe other webmasters using those links in one go. Personally, I'll say, don't take the risk, just take your time. Your brand new site is fragile in the rankings in the first months until you gain more "trust."

My only advice when using Angela's links with a new site/page is to spread it out, or build up like a staircase slowly. That is probably why belgirl's article is being penalized. If your in this situation, you have two options. You can either publish a new article and start over, or live with the penalization for a month while it clears out and just start building up backlinks like a staircase.

What you said sounds all good to me, it makes a lot of sense to me, BUT most experienced marketers on this forum says otherwise.

I myself have built about 150 Angela and Paul's links within a week, and I'm having a lot of success at the moment. Because many of those links are profile links, they will take several days or even weeks to get indexed. All 150 links of mine did not get indexed within a week, I'm sure of it.

So it's ok to build many links at once, no human can possibly build enough links manually to set off any spam alarm, those are meant for link building software that gets thousands of links in a day.

At least what I said is from my experience, don't know if you experienced the same. Did you ever get penalized by Google?

[Jon Steel]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

What you said sounds all good to me, it makes a lot of sense to me, BUT most experienced marketers on this forum says otherwise.

I myself have built about 150 Angela and Paul's links within a week, and I'm having a lot of success at the moment. Because many of those links are profile links, they will take several days or even weeks to get indexed. All 150 links of mine did not get indexed within a week, I'm sure of it.

So it's ok to build many links at once, no human can possibly build enough links manually to set off any spam alarm, those are meant for link building software that gets thousands of links in a day.

At least what I said is from my experience, don't know if you experienced the same. Did you ever get penalized by Google?

True - even if you do them all at the same time, google starts higher PRs then works its way down. They wont get viewed at the same time...

[AlbertF]

@Franco, did you read the entire post? Is your site new? If not, then of course you might have a different reaction than other sites that just launched who build links all in one go.

You don't have to follow everything I have to say, but just be conscious is all I have to say. Maybe you are that close away from picking the wrong straw with Google in your early launches? Who knows.

[AndyBlackSEO]

I'm in the process of using Angelas links for a local 'geographic' keyword phrase. I done about 16 profiles on Saturday and a few today. I'll do the full 30 and see if there is any movement. There is no movement as of yet although it has only been about 48 hours.

Have anyone used the links for local searches, ie - keyword TOWN? If so, what results did you get?

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by banker0679

changing backlinks can have a detrimental effect
Google crawls the page and finds a link...it comes back and finds another.
looks suspcious
either way it may take a couple of weeks for you to see the difference and that's if Google recrawls the page



you should create new ones from the same places to the article
the new ones will look fresh

Yeah, I figured as much. I have started building new backlinks to the article...we shall see how it goes...I haven't given up yet!

[Ursa Anzur]

Hi Guys!

Sorry that I haven't updated my progress, but unfortunately I have been very busy with other projects.

Like I wrote in my first post, I have written a few articles but then I really built backlinks just for one. It's still on number 3 after about a month. Today I received a $100 commission just from this article. I had about 300 clicks on the affiliate link in June and 99 clicks in these 6 days.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

I'm in the process of using Angelas links for a local 'geographic' keyword phrase. I done about 16 profiles on Saturday and a few today. I'll do the full 30 and see if there is any movement. There is no movement as of yet although it has only been about 48 hours.

Have anyone used the links for local searches, ie - keyword TOWN? If so, what results did you get?

I did a localized keyword for my doctor's website. Because I am in a small town, the keyword was actually the COUNTY, but it's the same idea. I did an entire packet of links for him one night and then went to bed. When I got up the next morning, he was in the number ONE spot for two variations of this keyword. It's been about six months and he is still in the number one spot for his keywords.

[giftsolution]

There is no question that Angela's link packets work: I am a little late to this thread here, but found it last week and after reading every post on it (probably about 2 hours reading), I signed up for her links.

I used 10 links form the July packet on Thursday night for a page on a 5 year old site, and today I am on page 1, hovering between #6 and #7 for my chosen key phrase, which is a "buying" key phrase (I've been doing PPC for several years). Yesterday, I got 4 sales (haven't gotten that many sales in one day since last year), and I am almost certain it's because of these new links.

Now here is a little bit of background: I've been acquiring links for this site for the past couple of years through article marketing, UAW, Linkvana, blog commenting, and more, so my link profile for the site, as well as the specific page I targeted now is very diverse.

I am going to do 10 more links tonight , for another key phrase on the same site. I am currently sitting at #38 for the plural of my key phrase (a specific page), and not in the first 15 pages for the singular of my key phrase.

I am going to link to the singular because there are a lot more searches per month: 90K, as opposed to 18K for the singular phrase. I will check back in here in about a week wiht an update.

As for whoever said that unless the links stick for 2 years it's not worth it, I have to disagree with that. It only took me about 1 hour to create the 10 profiles, and I made over $200 in commissions. I am happy with that. I'll do that over and over again for that kind of return.

[AndyBlackSEO]

Angela, that local phrase I mentioned in my post above.... No.2 already. Not bad for just over 48 hours :-)

[gavin6]

I think there are a lot of people talking and thinking about stuff rather than just doing it. For goodness sake this works.

I have built about 150 links to a keyword that has 25,000,000 competing sites google only registers about 15 links to that site.

I'm at number 3 for that keyword. If you use some basic seo with this you can easily dominate.

Basic SEO i all i do is use wordpress create a URL with the keyword in it, use the allinone seo plugin and then ensure the keyword is in the meta description and meta tags.

it's working fine, I have one site where i have not done that for because I cant access it at the moment, I've built the links but it si not ranking yet.

I am keen to see how it changes when i can access the site ad do my basic seo on it.

Rock on Angela and Paul.

Gav

[Terry Kyle]

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by djbory

'Great Tip' That's what I've been doing, eventhough it takes me about 5-10 more minutes to complete each profile page... I use same articles I post in ezine and go articles after a little bit of spining.

I try to brake the article into to small post. In the first post I link to my articles and in the second post I link to my website and to other profiles where I have left backlinks before.

That way Google finds my backlinks faster, the profile looks real, I add some value to the site and get my links to many places... all at once and it has worked very nice for me so far... Just a small tip...

DJBory...

Its always a smart strategy to make a big web of all your profiles together. SEOs do this all the time to help clients protect their brand. So for example set up a profile at 7-10 social sites and link them all together using your keywords and linking to your main site as well. In the case a companys brand name, you would just use your companys name as your keyword and create profiles linking them all together and linking back to the main site. If done correctly- when someone searches for that companys name you should dominate the first page of google thus allowing you to protect your brand name and and prevent your competitors from saying nasty things about you. I would imagine if you start linking your profile pages together so that it could be easily followed around like a big circle - all linking back to your main site would probably have a much bigger impact on the search engines. I could be wrong though. Ive got the last few months of back link packets so I will give this a go and see how it turns out.

[emakina]

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

[banker0679]

check the source code

i believe migente is under an image so the link cannot appear since google can't read images

i had this discussion with Angela..and i believe she's already looked into that

Originally Posted by emakina

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

The old packets work just fine. Again, it's only one or two sites in most packets that have removed the capability to get links or have made links No Follow. I have used the older packets recently and I have a pretty good list of "power sites" built from ALL my packets of the strongest and best sites for backlinks. I use this list when I have new projects that I want to get to the top quickly.

How would someone go about making this power list like you mentioned. I have the last few months of packets but havent started backlinking yet for a couple projects ive been working on. So if I were to go and start from the beginning do you have a system you would recommend to make that power list? Thanks

[axleman]

Comments in bold

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

I think you need to use your judgement according to each site. You want to fly in under the radar, as far as the webmasters are concerned. Take the time to fill out the profiles as completely as possible. Personally, I would keep the number of links very limited at first. As you go thru the packets you will get a feel for the sites you are likely to be able to add more links to later on. Remember, the number of links on a site won't matter a bit if people abuse the site and the admin deletes accounts, removes html or makes links nofollow

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

I think it would be smarter to set up separate accounts for each site you are promoting (doing it at different times). This is much more tedious of course, but I think the payoffs will be better in the long run and if a moderator shuts down one account, they may not catch the other(s). Safety in numbers I guess. Again, just be smart about it.

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

I started doing that with mine. As I finish a profile, I bookmark it to my favorite dofollow site, then ping it with ping-o-matic. The bookmarking site I use has an RSS feed as well for even more goodness. I don't know if it helps or not, but it only takes a few seconds and surely it can't hurt.

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Should be OK as long as they are pointing to different pages on your site. Just keep in mind the site you are on. Some will be more tolerant of multiple links than others.

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO

Angela, that local phrase I mentioned in my post above.... No.2 already. Not bad for just over 48 hours :-)

That's excellent, Andy. These backlinks are perfect for "offline" work as even in the big cities, the competition is smaller than it is for some niches online. Not only that, but offline businesses pay BIG BUCKS for this, too. I often recommend that people do this sort of work for local businesses.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by giftsolution

There is no question that Angela's link packets work: I am a little late to this thread here, but found it last week and after reading every post on it (probably about 2 hours reading), I signed up for her links.

I used 10 links form the July packet on Thursday night for a page on a 5 year old site, and today I am on page 1, hovering between #6 and #7 for my chosen key phrase, which is a "buying" key phrase (I've been doing PPC for several years). Yesterday, I got 4 sales (haven't gotten that many sales in one day since last year), and I am almost certain it's because of these new links.

Now here is a little bit of background: I've been acquiring links for this site for the past couple of years through article marketing, UAW, Linkvana, blog commenting, and more, so my link profile for the site, as well as the specific page I targeted now is very diverse.

I am going to do 10 more links tonight , for another key phrase on the same site. I am currently sitting at #38 for the plural of my key phrase (a specific page), and not in the first 15 pages for the singular of my key phrase.

I am going to link to the singular because there are a lot more searches per month: 90K, as opposed to 18K for the singular phrase. I will check back in here in about a week wiht an update.

As for whoever said that unless the links stick for 2 years it's not worth it, I have to disagree with that. It only took me about 1 hour to create the 10 profiles, and I made over $200 in commissions. I am happy with that. I'll do that over and over again for that kind of return.

Thank you for this feedback. I agree that if you made that much in commissions, the links are great, even if they aren't there for 2 years.

My own links, however, are still there. If they were disappearing or being deleted by the websites, I'd be losing my position in Google. So would my doctor who has been number 1 for six months. So would my friend, who has been number one for over a month. Obviously, most of the links are still good.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Terry Kyle

Interested to hear if fellow Warrior Backlinkers notice a big (negative) difference if you try to load up a (Angela/PJ) profile with too many different backlinks (e.g. to lots of different goarticles)?

What's the (theoretical) limit for a number of backlinks to still be effective from the same page?

Also, Angela, do you ever social bookmark or 'autopinger' pages with backlinks that you create or do you just wait for Google to find them naturally?

And, how about two or more backlinks to the same site for different anchor text keywords from same page? Does it matter?

Many thanks for shared wisdom on these vital backlinking process issues.

Great thread on a great service: Go Angela!

Thank you for your kind words. I have never gone by any "limit" of links per page and all of mine have seemed to work well. I've actually gone by what looks okay on each site.

I have never pinged or bookmarked my links, nor have I ever tried to find them in the index. The ONLY thing I do is check for movement in the Google index and I have never one time been disappointed.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Best Affiliate

How would someone go about making this power list like you mentioned. I have the last few months of packets but havent started backlinking yet for a couple projects ive been working on. So if I were to go and start from the beginning do you have a system you would recommend to make that power list? Thanks

I made my list by taking the highest Page Rank sites from each packet. I now have a little bit of an "extended power list" that I will be using for outsourcers that contains some Page Rank 7, 8, and 9 sites that I cannot put into my packets due to the abuse of such sites.

[schnisz]

I am a subscriber of the packets but I have a question about onsite optimization of the site. Taking the Adobe example of how they rank for "click here" and have not optimized their site, how important is this and which techniques are suggested? In a site I have, changing the url to the keyword is not an option. Should the keyword appear on the first page? If so at what density? Thanks Angela!

Brian

[banker0679]

if you can't have the keywords in the anchor text then it's going to be really hard to rank

you should have it in your title tags
if you can't have it there then you're almost toast!

put it once or twice in the content of the page, and make sure to bold it

Originally Posted by schnisz

I am a subscriber of the packets but I have a question about onsite optimization of the site. Taking the Adobe example of how they rank for "click here" and have not optimized their site, how important is this and which techniques are suggested? In a site I have, changing the url to the keyword is not an option. Should the keyword appear on the first page? If so at what density? Thanks Angela!

Brian

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by banker0679

if you can't have the keywords in the anchor text then it's going to be really hard to rank

you should have it in your title tags
if you can't have it there then you're almost toast!

put it once or twice in the content of the page, and make sure to bold it

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

[axleman]

Well, I think that depends on how competitive the keywords are.

[schnisz]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by schnisz

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

Having the keyword in the URL will HELP your SEO a little bit, but it's not the most important thing. You CAN rank without the keyword in your URL. The deal is, the more your keyword is "in evidence", the more often people will click through to your site.

Here is the "broad search" results for the keyword New York, which has 972 MILLION results. You can see how many of the top results actually have the words New York in their URL; most of them DON'T. Most of them have NY or NYC, but not New York, which is the actual search term.

[banker0679]

he said he can't use the keyword in the URL backlink or the title tag

please show me a site that ranks for a 'decent' keyterm that DOES NOT have the keyword in the anchor text backlinks or the title tag?

exact match are not common as most ppl think

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You're not "toast" in that you won't RANK for the keyword; you will. My friend was number one for his keyword, but he forgot to put title tags on the page. What happens is that the people who are searching will NOT be drawn to your site because they don't see their search terms anywhere in the title or the description of the page. You should have your keywords in both your title tags AND your "description" Meta Tags. You will get a LOT more click throughs if you do this.

[banker0679]

that will be keyword in the domain

keyword in the URL is more like

domainname.com/new-york/

keyword in the Domain is
newyork.com

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Having the keyword in the URL will HELP your SEO a little bit, but it's not the most important thing. You CAN rank without the keyword in your URL. The deal is, the more your keyword is "in evidence", the more often people will click through to your site.

Here is the "broad search" results for the keyword New York, which has 972 MILLION results. You can see how many of the top results actually have the words New York in their URL; most of them DON'T. Most of them have NY or NYC, but not New York, which is the actual search term.

[emakina]

Originally Posted by emakina

are some of the profiles you guys create not even getting indexed. migente for example. pr 7 or 8. created a profile as per the packet a month ago, and that profile hasn't even been indexed yet.

bumping this for angela

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by schnisz

Thanks thats what I thought. So not as important to have the keyword in the url? I hear that all over. Thnks again.

It can help, but it's not the most important thing. Your site CAN rank without your keyword in the URL. Take a look at this search. This is the top results for the search term New York, which has 972 MILLION resulting sites, "broad search". You will notice that most of the top sites do NOT have the word New York in the URL; most of them have NY or some variation of that:



What you want is enough of your keywords sprinkled in your Title Tag and Meta Description so that the searchers will click through to your site.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by emakina

bumping this for angela

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

[banker0679]

ok sorry

he was talking about anchor text "click here" with adobe so i thought he was talking about the anchor text

now i see that he may have been speaking of the actual page url not the backlink with anchor text

[banker0679]

exactly

i did half packet today for a new site

i did it on one of the subpages only
i did the site:domain.com command and only the subpage is showing up...not even the homepage!

only took a few hours (15hours)

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Sorry about the double post. Firefox has been LOVING to crash, lately. Anybody have a clue what could be causing that??

[emakina]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Thank you. But like I said, that is something I have NEVER watched or paid any attention to, as the only thing I worry about is my movement in Google.

so you don't pay attention to whether the profiles get indexed or not?

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by emakina

so you don't pay attention to whether the profiles get indexed or not?

No. I only watch movement in Google and I have never looked for the indexing of any of the profiles.

[mistermickster]

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by mistermickster

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

Don't put your eggs all in one basket. End of story.

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by slvrsrfr

i agree, and that's exactly the approach i'm taking, but this approach could take longer. who knows? but i'm building a long term business of my own real estate.

That's because this is part of Angela's method -- we're here in this thread to TEST the method, not to CRITICISE it. Before you can criticise you need to know what works and what doesn't.

Very briefly, what she recommends doing is:

(a) make a site or just use an affiliate landing page provided by the merchant
(b) write an article, post it on goarticles, and in the resource box point at your site or the affiliate landing page
(c) use the sites mentioned in Angela's packets to create links to the goarticles article

We're here to test her method. Let's see if it works. So far the evidence is very strong that it does work. That's all we are here to accomplish. Let's use other threads to discuss improvements to her method or why her method is stupid or the best thing since sliced bread.

SHEESH!

[Yusuf]

I have a question about outranking existing articles that have low backlinks.

As a completely random example, if I type site:ezinearticles.com intitle:"how to learn chinese" I find 35 articles and the #1 ranking is the only one with backlinks and it only has 1 backlink.

My question: Does this mean that if I write an article around this keyword phrase (how to learn chinese), and build backlinks for the article then I have a high possibility of outranking the other 35 articles since they have no backlinks? How does Google determine which of these 35 articles to show in the search results since, from my understanding, they will only show 2 results max?

I'm not concerned about ranking for this phrase itself on its own when just searching for "how to learn chinese" because this is just an example. I'm just wondering about how to outrank the existing 35 articles on ezinearticles.com. I have a full list of keywords that I think I can easily rank for on the search results and some of them have existing articles at ezinearticles.com so I am wondering how hard it will be to outrank them.

I did skim through the 800+ posts in this thread to see if someone else asked it, so I apologize if I happened to miss the answer to this question. Thanks in advanced.

[4morereferrals]

Sorry Joe118,

Youre not the thread GOd here - we'll discuss all sorts of things we'd like to as they relate to the topic of backlinking using Angelas links and other variations thereof.

If others have a different or more effective approach, or other $.02 on a similar issue as this topical thread - so be it.

Besides this has - as usual, morphed into a advert for 2 current WSO's

Go with the flo.

Originally Posted by Joe118

That's because this is part of Angela's method -- we're here in this thread to TEST the method, not to CRITICISE it. Before you can criticise you need to know what works and what doesn't.

Very briefly, what she recommends doing is:

(a) make a site or just use an affiliate landing page provided by the merchant
(b) write an article, post it on goarticles, and in the resource box point at your site or the affiliate landing page
(c) use the sites mentioned in Angela's packets to create links to the goarticles article

We're here to test her method. Let's see if it works. So far the evidence is very strong that it does work. That's all we are here to accomplish. Let's use other threads to discuss improvements to her method or why her method is stupid or the best thing since sliced bread.

SHEESH!

[4morereferrals]

A lot of folks write under Pen Names - not their own.

Originally Posted by mistermickster

I've read that a lot of people create multiple networking/bookmarking sites depending on the niche, but what do people do about article sites?

Do you just tend to create one account at each site for all you articles, or do you create 'niche related' accounts at each one?

[4morereferrals]

Why not just go thru the extra effort to rank your own site? Use the articles to deliver high PR backlinks to your $$$ page and the home page.

My test results in this very thread indicate it is not very difficult to outrank an article. Right now a blog post I did on a site I use for good - fast indexed backlink generation is ranking Page 1 #5 ... it bounces from #4-#15 at any given time ... it has ZERO backlinks to it... at least none created by me. It was created AS A BACKLINK to Panic Attack Heart Symptoms Blog [ which is languishing right now ] Google seems to be hating on this test blog ... baffling.

For some reason this is a very funky term ...

goarticle is in #10 spot and looking at its links in yahoo - indicates it to have 20 links - several I recall from Angelas March 2009 packs.

One of my other sites has 4 targeted EZA articles I did for it ... been online for a while ... I link to the $$$ site and the articles at about 3:1 ... 3 to the $ site and 1 to an article. For every link my eza gets - the $$$ site gets 3. My $$$ site outranks the EZA articles by 2 pages in broad search [ no quotes ] This site is a PR2 ... its on Page #1 position 8 ... now. Pretty competitive term in that ... when you search in quotes and without - the 1st page yields same results / positions. The point ... you get a pretty serious FRESHNESS boost off the Article Dir's - but it appears from my testing - [ tho limited ] its about as much work to KEEP an article up top - as it is a site/blog. Belgirls experience seems to be bearing that out as well.

If you have enough places and the tech to drop links to do both an article AND your $$$ site then sure go WFO on both and let the article ride the QDF factor as long as it gets it ... but be building links to the main site where your target audience can take buying action steps.

Hopefully you will get your main page/site on page 1 at the top and your articles right below ...

Not a fan of GoArticles now either since they started infecting the articles with THEIR own keyword links and possibly leading your targeted prospect to their affiliate links.

Kinda partial to the idea of being able to make a article - fill it with the links I want and where and post it "frequently" ... and laughing when some random goofy PR3 site's blog post kicks eza and goarticles arse ... :-)

Originally Posted by Yusuf

I have a question about outranking existing articles that have low backlinks.

As a completely random example, if I type site:ezinearticles.com intitle:"how to learn chinese" I find 35 articles and the #1 ranking is the only one with backlinks and it only has 1 backlink.

My question: Does this mean that if I write an article around this keyword phrase (how to learn chinese), and build backlinks for the article then I have a high possibility of outranking the other 35 articles since they have no backlinks? How does Google determine which of these 35 articles to show in the search results since, from my understanding, they will only show 2 results max?

I'm not concerned about ranking for this phrase itself on its own when just searching for "how to learn chinese" because this is just an example. I'm just wondering about how to outrank the existing 35 articles on ezinearticles.com. I have a full list of keywords that I think I can easily rank for on the search results and some of them have existing articles at ezinearticles.com so I am wondering how hard it will be to outrank them.

I did skim through the 800+ posts in this thread to see if someone else asked it, so I apologize if I happened to miss the answer to this question. Thanks in advanced.