The Angela Experiment: aka Let's gang up on Angela thread

[Jeremy Kelsall]

I believe it was the netscape site...

Not only did they make threats, but also list the name, site, and IP address of people that have posted links on their site as spammers...

http://www.ufaq.org/modules.php?name...ef%3DGuzels.TV

[zerofill]

Hold the phone there...Those our people on our list...not anyone elses. I didn't see anything Jeremy said in there to be damaging to you as a person or marketer. Nothing saying you were scamming anyone or anything else.

But in reality we can send anything we wish to send to our list...Be happy Jeremy recommended it in the first place. We don't normally recommend much of anything product wise. Ask people on our list how many emails they have received in the last year promoting any products other than our own. I think your answer will be "1"

Why? It isn't because we don't think other people make good products...it is because we don't have time to look at them and determine if they are good or not.

Either way you look at it...the rankings you achieve with your backlinks...even if people did unsubscribe from your backlink subscription that signed up because of us...it wouldn't matter anyway. You are probably making huge bank from all the #1 spots you have after the Google Dance is over.

Frankly...if the main source of my competition's backlinks is because of profile link spam...they are no longer my competition anyway.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Joe118

And are you saying that Jeremy should also dis-recommend Paul's product because he's the one who posted that site that threatened Paul with hauling him into the FBI? At least that's what I understood

No, I'm saying that Jeremy needs to get his facts straight. I don't know what more he wants from me. Some sites don't like people putting links on their sites and remove that capability and some sites don't. It's nothing new and except for the ONE PACKET that had a lot of "comment type" sites, the number of sites that don't work anymore is STILL a minority of the sites listed.

Jeremy, you keep saying I need to "listen to your concerns". Okay, I listened. What do you WANT, now??

I tried to talk to you about my concerns about a month ago privately through PM and you dismissed me. Your attitude here shows that you are going to keep pimping your packet to as many people as possible regardless of the fact that they could cause harm to peoples sites.

So I need to stop offering my product to new people, just because you think it maybe, someday, MIGHT harm someone's site?

Digital Point has over a hundred THOUSAND members and people post list of sites there ALL the time for people to get links from. If a bunch of people going to sites and getting a link was going to "shut down" backlink capability forever, it would have happened years before I ever started my program.

This has been going on for YEARS and it hasn't "harmed" people's sites yet. It even happened to my own list of sites from September and it STILL didn't "harm" anyone's site. You don't want me to listen to you. You want to try to force me to do what YOU say to do.

So Joe, the answer is not that Jeremy is running his list to maximize his/her profit. He's trying to FORCE me to stop selling my product to new people, just because he THINKS I should. Is that right or fair??

Remember that the people on ONE person's list are also very likely on another person's list and some of Jeremy's subscribers are my subscribers. So yes, he was trying to cause me harm by sending that out to his list; he knew very well that he had people on his list who were getting my backlinks.

[Joe118]

Zerofill, yep, you and I are in agreement. Jeremy can say whatever-the-heck he wants to his email list, its his list, tough, life sucks, move on

I tried to say it a bit more gently to Angela, but yeah, basically that's it

[Joe118]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

So Joe, the answer is not that Jeremy is running his list to maximize his/her profit. He's trying to FORCE me to stop selling my product to new people, just because he THINKS I should. Is that right or fair??

I read his quoted email as saying that he believes the product has problems. I don't see his email as making a recommendation about using your product one way or the other. He's simply reporting perceived problems to his list, which is his right to do anyway.

It's a damn with faint praise act, I guess

The email says absolutely NOTHING about forcing you to stop selling your product to anyone, new or old. If that's the whole email, then I'll have to disagree with you on that assertion.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Angela, you are selling the same packet of 30 links to how many people?

I came to you at first as a concerned customer because after all my work and money spent outsourcing my profiles were disappearing and a portion of the links switched from follow to nofollow.

I suggested maybe having 2 lists and limiting the number of people getting them to protect your customers time and outsourcing money...

Your answer was "Do you know how hard it is to come up with these lists?" and that you couldn't do it. That's fine, but if the product you are selling me and describing isn't what I'm getting, then regardless of how hard it is to deliver what you promise, you have to work something out.

As more and more people get this list of packets more and more of the sites are going to take YOUR CUSTOMERS links down. How hard is that to understand?

I think someone in this thread said they kept track and out of 160 profiles made, only roughly 60% of them were still posted and dofollow. How can you possibly be happy with that percentage of success?

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Zerofill, yep, you and I are in agreement. Jeremy can say whatever-the-heck he wants to his email list, its his list, tough, life sucks, move on

I tried to say it a bit more gently to Angela, but yeah, basically that's it

heh...I usually don't say much. Usually cause what I will say isn't all that nice lately. So I just stay to working LOL.

[mdzarate]

Jeremy is making a good a valid point.

I have a good background in SEO, and do SEO full time...am I an expert? hmmm not sure if 7 years in the business makes me an expert or not but I can assure you that Jeremy knows a thing or two about SEO and what he is saying has been tested.

SEE, I am not an expert in PPV and would never say things I am not sure about or just because I bought a WSO or an ebook consider my self an expert, LOL it takes a lot of testing and dedication to know enough about SEO to call your self an expert.

The funny thing about forums is to read all the crap people say as if they know what they are talking about, just because they read it somewhere, it is very funny but makes the person look stupid or just plain silly, but in this case Jeremy's point is a valid one and ofcourse there are other factors that influence how google would react to this problem.

I would suggest to Angela to take his advice seriously, saying things as if you are an authority only works when you talk to people that does not know what you are talking about and are just looking for an $7 WSO that will make them an "expert" on SEO or other subjects.

I have 40 people that work for me and when a new SEO theory is mention, we test it with our many test websites we own. Yes, we actually test them, isolate the website from other noise (meaning other factors) and test the theory, does not matter what "expert" suggested it. But just saying things because you read it or you heard it from an "expert" is a silly thing to say and I do not thin is fair to the rest of the warriors in this community.

I have Angela's packets, and I have already created a test for them. I have not share my findings yet but let me tell you we have used them for 3 months already and found some very interesting data, real data, real test on an isolated environment...may be one day we can talk about this but for now the issue is, spammers will continue to screw up things for all of us ...

This is a very good thread and enjoying reading all of your opinions, after all they are just opinions

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Angela,

You crack me up

Everyone has OPINIONS about SEO, but you kind of take the cake when you make statements like you do..

You are NOT an SEO expert and trying to put yourself off as one isn't right.

The fact that you refuse to even consider other reasons for why things happen shows just how much you have to learn.

I could quote a bunch of things that you have said in this thread and intelligently dispute them, but at this point, trying to debate SEO with people that know everything is a waste of time

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I think someone in this thread said they kept track and out of 160 profiles made, only roughly 60% of them were still posted and dofollow. How can you possibly be happy with that percentage of success?

That person had 100 links from Paul and 60 from me, so only 60% of the total amount of links were mine. They didn't say how many of whose sites were de-activated. So even THAT is not a true indication of the 'success' of the links.

Some sites remove the capability to get links and some sites actually WANT people to participate and post links and such. They give WYSIWYG editors or they tell you that you can use the <a> tag, knowing that will create a link. Like I said before, the percentage now isn't any different from the percentage that it has ALWAYS been; with the exception of the one packet that had a lot of "comment type" sites. You simply want me to stop offering my product to new people. That is what you are trying to force me to do.

[Angela V. Edwards]

I would suggest to Angela to take his advice seriously, saying things as if you are an authority only works when you talk to people that does not know what you are talking about and are just looking for an $7 WSO that will make them an "expert" on SEO or other subjects.

Again, I am not saying ANYTHING that I can't provide actual proof for (and I HAVE provided the evidence); while so many others here are saying all sorts of things that are simply hypotheses. Jeremy wants me to stop selling my product to new people. That is what he wants me to do. So no, I am not going to take that advice "seriously"; although I will still continue to search for spam-resistant websites to get links from.

[mdzarate]

My name is not on that list!!! is yours? LOL

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I believe it was the netscape site...

Not only did they make threats, but also list the name, site, and IP address of people that have posted links on their site as spammers...

The Netscape Unofficial FAQ Forums-viewtopic-*** SPAMLINKERS WARNING ***

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

You simply want me to stop offering my product to new people. That is what you are trying to force me to do.

Incorrect.

When I get my packet of 30 links and pay someone to place those links, I want to be fairly certain that in a month or 2 months from now my links are still going to be there...

In the beginning, as I've been a subscriber since very early on, one or two sites would disable the links which is not a big deal, it happens and I understand that.

However, as more and more people are getting the packets more and more sites are taking notice to the hoards that are crashing their doors down and disabling links and deleting profiles.

The concept and price is right, that's for sure. But honestly, you can't say that I'm the first customer that has expressed some sort of concern about the number of people that are getting your packet and the number of links that are being taken away.

[Angela V. Edwards]

You are forgetting that all of the sites in my packets are Page Rank 6 and above. The majority of these sites, if not all of them, also have a lot of traffic and members, too. They're popular; that's part of what contributed to their High Page Rank. Even the Warrior Forum, with all its members, isn't a Page Rank 6. Digital Point is a Page Rank 7. The majority of these sites DO have a lot of members and get brand new members every day.

These are not just a bunch of low traffic, "hidden" sites that suddenly get a lot of attention. They are, for the most part, sites that are ALREADY active and have thousands of members. One forum that I was looking for my user name on had over 1500 members with names starting with the letter "A". I believe that one was either in the packet already or will be in the future. These are well traveled, popular websites.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by mdzarate

My name is not on that list!!! is yours? LOL

I know mine isn't muhahaha...they will never catch me...I am like dust in the wind...

LOL...actually looked at a few of those lists. People would probably be surprised to see who all is on them though LOL.

For god sakes quit using your real names.... 8) (pen name...like articles... Proxies...like not your real IP)

But in all seriousness...yeah I have tested things for years too... Sometimes it is fun sometimes it is aggravating as all hell. But it's not all fun and games like when the real hotbot was running...lol remember those days when all you wanted was that top spot in hotbot lol?

[Pat Jackson]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

When I get my packet of 30 links and pay someone to place those links, I want to be fairly certain that in a month or 2 months from now my links are still going to be there...

I'm sorry, but how can you possibly expect this? She doesn't own the sites or have any control over them, the service she provides is simply allocating the websites for you.

If you go and create a Squidoo lens can you be certain that in a month or two it's not going to meet there latest "spam" criteria?

It doesn't matter what website you put your links on, whether it be from Angela's packets, Paul's packets or a site you've found yourself. Unless you own the site, you can never be certain that the link will remain.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by mikeong88

I love forum links and profile links that are deep within. Safe and assuring.

Google only need one link source on the site to find your profile. The rest are redundant and risky for us.

Yep, exactly and those are just the type I'm looking for and putting into my current and upcoming packets. (I found not one, but TWO PR 8 sites just like that yesterday.)

People often ask me if they have to post and you are right; anything other than the one link source is redundant and risky for us.

[nobluff]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I believe it was the netscape site...

Not only did they make threats, but also list the name, site, and IP address of people that have posted links on their site as spammers...

And then he goes and recommends you buy links, what a clueless moron.

[Joe118]

ZeroFill I sent you a PM about this thread... pls look, thanks.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by nobluff

And then he goes and recommends you by links, what a clueless moron.

lol yeah read that too...we suggest you make us some commissions while wrecking your rankings lol.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by Joe118

ZeroFill I sent you a PM about this thread... pls look, thanks.

Will do...

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Who is being condescending and arrogant?

The only thing I was trying to do was to help people in this thread to not get sucked into ideas and statements that were and are being made that can be damaging to their SEO efforts.

I have enough sites out there that rank very well for money words that If I wanted to be arrogant, there would have been no question that I was doing so.



Which is exactly what I have stated in this thread more than once.



I guess I will just leave this question for Angela since hers seems to be the only view point you seem to think is correct.

It's not what you say Jeremy--it's how you say it. I never said Angela's was the only correct viewpoint. Where did I ever say that? Sorry, but I'm not going to respect anyone's viewpoint, no matter how good they are, if they are arrogant and rude. Nuff said.

[belgirl]

LOL..thanks for the input. I used Angela's backlinks for the article...so I guess I need to go back to May and June and see how many are still up. If the profiles have been taken down, that would obviously be a problem...

Originally Posted by axleman

I'm not an expert, but I'll take a crack at it.

1. No idea

2. Depending on your competition's links and assuming that phrase was uncompetitive to begin with, I would think 30 would be plenty for that(just basing this on my own site's performance.) Assuming Google knew about your links. You can have a billion awesome links, but if Google doesn't know about them, what good are they?

3. Possible, if they were ones that Google had used previously to calculate your rank.

4. I'm sure this didn't help any

[axleman]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

That person had 100 links from Paul and 60 from me, so only 60% of the total amount of links were mine. They didn't say how many of whose sites were de-activated. So even THAT is not a true indication of the 'success' of the links.

Some sites remove the capability to get links and some sites actually WANT people to participate and post links and such. They give WYSIWYG editors or they tell you that you can use the <a> tag, knowing that will create a link. Like I said before, the percentage now isn't any different from the percentage that it has ALWAYS been; with the exception of the one packet that had a lot of "comment type" sites. You simply want me to stop offering my product to new people. That is what you are trying to force me to do.

That person was me and the proportion of profiles gone/changed/whatever is roughly the same between your packets and Paul's.

Edit: I do need to clarify something though. I did not actually make 160 profiles as many of the sites had either blocked new members or had changed the profile set ups to be useless for linking. So my 60% number includes sites that no longer worked and profiles of mine that got removed or whatever. In fact, most of the "bad" sites were already bad when I got to them. While I certainly believe you that you verify them rightbefore you send out the packets, the fact that a large portion of them go inactive in some way within a week or two of the packet going out ought to be telling us something...

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by belgirl

It's not what you say Jeremy--it's how you say it. I never said Angela's was the only correct viewpoint. Where did I ever say that? Sorry, but I'm not going to respect anyone's viewpoint, no matter how good they are, if they are arrogant and rude. Nuff said.

Please point to one instance of me being arrogant or rude in this thread.

[Tom Brite]

Angela it seems that you are getting very very defensive over your backlink wso product! Yet you know for a fact that the sites that you are releasing are getting spammed like mad and thus turning into nofollow and/or just deleting the profiles and banning ip's accounts etc etc etc.

Yet with our little private conversation and public regarding my wso which teaches people how to find their own backlinks and to which i sent you a free review copy and asked you if you could spare 2 minutes to write a review for me (especially seeing as in my ebook i mention that i buy your link packs and am actually helping you to sell more) you never seem to hint that people should also be using their own sources to get backlinks too and not just rely on your backlink packs every month, which unfortunatly currently seem to becoming less sucessfull month by month.

Now this isn't any personal digg at you but honestly you must be making enough money from the $5 a month fee you charge and really don't need anymore buyers at all. The process of finding these backlinks can be outsourced really cheaply too so its not even like you have to spend your own time finding them.

I know its not only me that thinks this but it seems like your trying to protect your product over helping people to suceed even more just to make a few more $.

Okay its business but still im sure there are others out there too who feel that your authority as a backlink figure in the forum is sliding dramatically with these new recent events.

Rant over!

Tom Brite

[Angela V. Edwards]

Tom, are you aware that I actually sold my "Backlink Formula" right here on the Warrior Forum (it was on the old forum, I think) long before I ever started creating my packets? That guide was very similar to the one you're selling right now; it showed people HOW to find great links for themselves.

The reason I started the packets in the first place was because marketers are busy people and even with a "how to" they just don't have the time it takes to find and test great backlinks sites and a major part of the interest in the WSO was the 25 High Page Rank sites I offered as a bonus. So I am doing the work for them. But don't say I didn't try to help others succeed, as that is completely false.

I still sell that guide occasionally; I just don't offer it for sale as a WSO anymore.

I know that you're too new here to know the background but this:

I know its not only me that thinks this but it seems like your trying to protect your product over helping people to suceed even more just to make a few more $.

Okay its business but still im sure there are others out there too who feel that your authority as a backlink figure in the forum is sliding dramatically with these new recent events

is completely unfounded.

Yes, when people make accusations that LOTS of people are reading that just aren't true and are speculation and conjecture and those accusations are hurting my product, of course I am going to "defend" my product. I keep on pointing out this point:

Digital Point has over a hundred THOUSAND members and people post list of sites there ALL the time for people to get links from. If a bunch of people going to sites and getting a link was going to "shut down" backlink capability forever, it would have happened years before I ever started my program.

and I keep on pointing out that NO ONE'S site has been "ruined" AND that my stuff and the projects I have done for others are still at the top of Google, but people continue to say that all the sites are ruined and the backlinks are "going away" and on and on. This is my product and if it wasn't a good, ethical, HONEST product I wouldn't sell it. I don't think it's fair for unfounded accusations that are causing harm to my product to be left unchallenged.

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Tom, are you aware that I actually sold my "Backlink Formula" right here on the Warrior Forum (it was on the old forum, I think) long before I ever started creating my packets? That guide was very similar to the one you're selling right now; it showed people HOW to find great links.

The reason I started the packets in the first place was because marketers are busy people and even with a "how to" they just don't have the time it takes to find and test great backlinks sites. So I am doing it for them.

I still sell that guide occasionally; I just don't offer it for sale as a WSO anymore.

Yes i am aware of that!

But as you said in your own words 'i still sell that guide occasionally', however you have not once recently promoted the fact that it is good to have your own list of backlink sites. You keep pushing for sales on your backlink packs! and the only hint anyone gets from you that having your own backlink sources is good is when you mention that you have your own sources of un-disclosed backlinks and yet then go on to say that your backlinks will get peoples sites to the top like it does your's.

To begin with your backlink packs were amazing... now i feel they are dying a death yet you don't seem to be doing anything about it!

Tom Brite

[Angela V. Edwards]

The one and ONLY reason I have my own list of "undisclosed sources" is simply because I put quite a few of those types in May's packet and they were completely abused and the sites ruined. Me not putting them in the packets is "doing something about it". And the only reason I mentioned that at all is because I am putting a packet together that will only be used by me to actually DO people's links for them. People keep saying they want me to do different things and when I do them, people like you come along and accuse me of cloak-and-dagger.

To begin with your backlink packs were amazing... now i feel they are dying a death yet you don't seem to be doing anything about it!

And this is also untrue. I am finding ONLY sites that people can put a link on that "fly under the radar"; how can you possibly say that I am not doing anything about it? I'm just not handling it the way YOU and some others think I should. And I don't have to; if I did that, quite a few great people would be completely left out, just because they didn't know about the program before. How is it that they don't deserve to have a tool that will get them great rankings, too? Again, the majority of the sites in the packets have remained good.

Just because someone thinks I should promote certain things a certain way doesn't mean that I have to do that. Again, the sites in this month's packet that don't take links anymore are a minority of the packet. People STILL can get a bunch of great backlinks to add to their "master list" of sites that will get your projects to the top, or to add to their sites right now.

[Angela V. Edwards]

I also should mention that it's possible that the people on this thread who are making the biggest stink about sites being shut down might either be causing that to happen, or are closely associated with someone who is.

At one point in time, someone made the accusation that Jeremy was using the name "Joseph Horn", because this article on EZA leads to a website registered to Jeremy. Jeremy had this to say about it:

It seems that some people think that I’ve faked a testimonial? lol


I would be more than happy to make a video showing that His IP is Pennsylvania and Mine is In Delaware.


I mentioned in the post that Joe has been with me since my first ever product “step by step niche profits” so yes, I have offered him a great amount of help over the past year including but not limited to letting him use my premium account at EZA — Currently, I’m using his since I cancelled mine a couple months ago…I registered a couple of domains for him and even offered him hosting which he accepted.
There are testimonials for this product from various warriors making $500+ a day — There is no need to “fake a testimonail”

and

That is not a “fake testimonial”
Joe Horn is a real person and someone that has worked with me and been coached by me since my first product step by step niche profits came out.
I would be more than happy to make a video showing the IP’s that posted the respective comments to show that one is from Pennsylvania and the other is from Delaware.

Now I don't have any reason NOT to believe Jeremy; he and Joseph just might be two different people. However, if this Joseph person is SO closely associated with Jeremy and he's been working with Jeremy from the beginning, then maybe Joseph is one of the folks who are creating disturbances on the websites in the packet. After all, look at what "Joseph" is promoting (and if Jeremy is actually borrowing Joseph's EZA account like he says, then maybe Jeremy is the one who is actually promoting the products):

Joseph Horn

I suspect those are the types of products that webmasters DON'T want linked to their sites.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Angela, don't be bitter because I think your product is going down hill...

On the other hand, since you seem interested in the penis enlargement let me know where you want Joe to send the affiliate link to

As far as the "fake testimonial" Here is the video that was recorded

PROOF

And by the way...Joe sure does make a pretty good living writing those ****ty articles.

I can't wait to out some of your sites and niches...I might even duplicate your product and give it away for free as long as people agree to cancel their subscription to your service. I was simply trying to make a point that your links are being distributed to too many people and you act like a child? lmao - grow up

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Angela, don't be bitter because I think your product is going down hill...

On the other hand, since you seem interested in the penis enlargement let me know where you want Joe to send the affiliate link to

As far as the "fake testimonial" Here is the video that was recorded

PROOF

Like I said, I have no reason NOT to believe you. But if you and Joseph have been "working together so closely" and if Joseph (or you, if that's actually you using the EZA account, like you yourself said) has been putting this sort of product on the sites, then no wonder webmasters are closing some of them down! You or Joseph or whoever might be losing a whole lot MORE of the links than the rest of us are.

[Doug D]

Wow! I scanned through the Joseph Horn titles. I didn't know you could add 4 in.?
The wife will be so happy!
Last time she said..."Give me 8 and make it hurt"-- So I punched her in the head and screwed her twice.
Oops, how inappropriate for this forum, that was. You nancy-boys might want to flag this one.
Ladies-- I apologize

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Angela,

Sorry if the rest of the "marketers" try to actually monetize traffic instead of ranking for "Angela" like the pros do...

Fortunately, some of us know the value of affiliate marketing and like cashing checks.

What do you think people are linking to with your packets? lol - Penis enlargement and weight loss are taboo? lmao and if you look at his sites you will see the only links to them are EZA

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Angela, don't be bitter because I think your product is going down hill...

On the other hand, since you seem interested in the penis enlargement let me know where you want Joe to send the affiliate link to

As far as the "fake testimonial" Here is the video that was recorded

PROOF

And by the way...Joe sure does make a pretty good living writing those ****ty articles.

I can't wait to out some of your sites and niches...I might even duplicate your product and give it away for free as long as people agree to cancel their subscription to your service. I was simply trying to make a point that your links are being distributed to too many people and you act like a child? lmao - grow up

Jeremy you really didn't need to show that proof! Your not the one who needs to hide anything and actually never does!

Oh and don't worry there are a few people already going to be releasing free backlinks to anyone and everyone that will mean that they wont need to use angela's backlinks and that is already happening in the forum too! With a warm welcome too in fact!

Angela you really are acting a bit childish about all this and are damaging your reputation in the eyes of alot of people!

Tom Brite

[Thomas Belknap]

This is the type of product that should be priced more and have a set amount of customers. You can't have a large amount of people posting to these sites without it getting shut down. That was the main reason I didn't purchase these links. You send out the month's packet, a lot of people hit the sites at one time and the bells and alarms go off. It doesn't work well.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

This is the type of product that should be priced more and have a set amount of customers. You can't have a large amount of people posting to these sites without it getting shut down. That was the main reason I didn't purchase these links. You send out the month's packet, a lot of people hit the sites at one time and the bells and alarms go off. It doesn't work well.

Be careful Thomas...she is probably doing a background check on you right now

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Be careful Thomas...she is probably doing a background check on you right now

That is ok. I don't mind people finding out I dress up as a woman when I go to the bank to cash Clickbank checks.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

That is ok. I don't mind people finding out I dress up as a woman when I go to the bank to cash Clickbank checks.

You too huh? Yeah I get some weird looks but oh well...

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by zerofill

You too huh? Yeah I get some weird looks but oh well...

I only get weird looks when I where high heels.

[Tom Brite]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

That is ok. I don't mind people finding out I dress up as a woman when I go to the bank to cash Clickbank checks.

Originally Posted by zerofill

You too huh? Yeah I get some weird looks but oh well...

Damn and i thought it was only me!

Mmmmm i think ive just discovered a new niche ha ha!

Tom Brite

[askloz]

Well said, it kinda ruins it for everyone else... oh hum.

Angela, put the price up to $997 per month. Get the serious SEO'ers in.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

This is the type of product that should be priced more and have a set amount of customers. You can't have a large amount of people posting to these sites without it getting shut down. That was the main reason I didn't purchase these links. You send out the month's packet, a lot of people hit the sites at one time and the bells and alarms go off. It doesn't work well.

[walshm56]

It's not Angela's service that is in question here. It's the users(and many of them got the packets pirated from dark sites). Do a little investigation and you'll see these sites spammed with porn, pills, gambling, etc. I mean, really people(and you know who you are), that's just a stupid way to use these links. Plan it out a bit and have some patience and be smart about it. I have many pages still on page one in very competitive niches.

[axleman]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

This is the type of product that should be priced more and have a set amount of customers. You can't have a large amount of people posting to these sites without it getting shut down. That was the main reason I didn't purchase these links. You send out the month's packet, a lot of people hit the sites at one time and the bells and alarms go off. It doesn't work well.

That's what we have been trying to tell her... either that or change the distribution somehow...

Update... I'm down to 83 out of 160 active profiles.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by mikeong88

They use their "brawn" to spam their way up Google

Too true

[askloz]

Originally Posted by mikeong88

Hahahaa...That will make Howie Schwartz a MILLIONAIRE every month...

You realized how many tools he has to dig out all those High PR sites?

I have similar tools too. doesn't take much to head over to elance and ask a guy to code a system for you. I got mine coded in less than 24hrs, few tweaks here and there and I have thousands of sites to choose from, PR3 and above. not just home pages, but inner pages.
But it does it on a series of qualifications, rather than going out there and getting any old nilly willy site


I'd rather keep my stuff to myself, cos I've seen people who use stuff like mine before and just ruin it for everyone else.

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by walshm56

It's not Angela's service that is in question here. It's the users(and many of them got the packets pirated from dark sites). Do a little investigation and you'll see these sites spammed with porn, pills, gambling, etc. I mean, really people(and you know who you are), that's just a stupid way to use these links. Plan it out a bit and have some patience and be smart about it. I have many pages still on page one in very competitive niches.

Exactly. And even if I DO close down new sign ups, the "black hat" forums will still be giving away the packets as often as they can get away with! They are giving away hundreds of products from other Warriors and other online marketers as well; regardless of the price and the amount of people allowed to sign up. They even had Frank Kern's "limited" stuff posted on those sites!!


How is THAT going to change anything at all? And like I've pointed out, either Jeremy himself (he said he uses the "Joseph Horn" Ezinearticles account) or someone closely associate with him IS putting up "Penis Enhancement" anchor text on the sites; and then they are going to complain about the sites shutting them down?? I don't get that part. What do they expect the webmasters to do with that sort of product posted on their sites?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

either Jeremy himself (he said he uses the "Joseph Horn" Ezinearticles account) or someone closely associate with him IS putting up "Penis Enhancement" anchor text on the sites;

Now I just have to call you a LIAR...You are really reaching.

Look at all those articles, look at the sites that they link to..they are Joes sites and he doesn't subscribe to your packets and I don't anchor anything to "penis enlargement".

You really need to take a step back and try to grow up because honestly you are starting to act like you are crazy.

In the future I hope noone cares enough to try to give you some constructive advice because I sure as hell won't.

Did I mention that you are a LIAR.

Before I recommended my subscribers not to do business with you because I felt that your packet was no longer a good value, at this point I just think your crazy.

[Angela V. Edwards]

I mentioned in the post that Joe has been with me since my first ever product “step by step niche profits” so yes, I have offered him a great amount of help over the past year including but not limited to letting him use my premium account at EZA — Currently, I’m using his since I cancelled mine a couple months ago…I registered a couple of domains for him and even offered him hosting which he accepted.

Joe Horn is a real person and someone that has worked with me and been coached by me since my first product step by step niche profits came out.

Day 34 - Time For A Change | Mike Iser .com - Mikeman's Journey To A Full-Time Income Online!

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

Day 34 - Time For A Change | Mike Iser .com - Mikeman's Journey To A Full-Time Income Online!

Again, here is the video proof:

PROOF

If you would like Joes myspace and cell phone number let me know or even my phone number because I know for a fact I have some things I would like to say to you that can't be done on this forum

The way you keep posting things over and over again Google might slap the forum for duplicate content....although if it did happen you would probably just explain it as the google dance

[belgirl]

OK, "hasta la vista" everyone. What was started as a thread that I thought would be helpful and informative has turned into a meaningless shouting match. Way too much testosterone floating around. I'm done. Have fun.